₦airaland Forum

andyanders:
They should tell Falana who is defending them and calling on The Federal government to bring the officer to book for his action.

People should realize that there is a government and no single individual or group should hold the country to ransom.

Shitti or whatever they call them should not confront any security agents on official duty.

Falana should listen to people who live in Kaduna what they are passing through on the activities of this man, while he is in the comfort of his office in GRA asking the Federal government to bring the officers to book, thereby inciting the group to stand for their right.

Obynolee:
I hope so,but for the sake of history,boko haram started in 2009

Laid2001:
The Nigerian Army showed a video of the clear provocation and ambush of the COAS by the Shias.

That was clearly unacceptable by any government. The Army dont have tear gas nor any other non-lethal weapons!. Yet some mofos waylaid them with bow and arrow!. Surely they have learnt their lessons now.

The zakzaky group is a well organised group and last year when 3 of his kids were killed by GEJ government, the internet was a-washed with the pictures of the dead bodies and video of their burial was even online. Yet the same shia has not presented any video or photo evidence of the so called 1000 deaths that happened this time around including zakzaky kids and wife. The Army has actually denied that his wife and up to 300 deaths were recorded and they have asked the group to present its evidence that up to 300 deaths were recorded.

The Army agreed that scores of people were died but it was as a self defence when the group ambushed the COAS.!

Now back to the Shia group, they are still busy doctoring the evidence they will present to us. The group sees nothing wrong in telling lies to propagate itself. When Zakzaky started his group, he always denied that it was a shia group, even when evidence of his financial support from Iran was glaring and undeniable, he still insisted he was sunni. He initially encourages his followers not to go to schools controlled by secular government and many in the 80s had to drop out from the University!. Yet he himself is a graduate. Later when his kids reached university age, he changed his idea that the followers can actually go to university but restricted in what they can study. Alas that was too late for thousands that have dropped out from the university. All his kids are well educated. Boko Haram leader, Yusuf was briefly zakzaky's follower, but they fell apart when it became clear that zakzaky was actual a closet Shia and was only deceiving people then before coming out openly to proclaim shiasm.

Zakzaky, preaches disobedience to constitution and all legal entity. He asks that his followers should be answerable to him alone as the vicegerent of Allah to them who derives his authority from the overall imam. They pay loyalty their imam and they are always found of praying for martyrdom to defend the Imam (ibrahim Zakzaky). They operate the model of Hisbullah of Lebanon and that of Hamas of palestine. Starting as a Social/charity/ NGO with a lot of charity and social works. win over/indoctrinate a lot of people and then set up a military arm to complete the characteristics of a state on its own. The Hisbulah is government on to itself and even the Lebanese government can not do anything without its support. Yet, Shia's a less than 30% in Lebanon. There is about 40% christian in Lebanon and the remaining 605 is between Shia and sunni muslims.

The government have to be extra vigilant on how it deals with these people.

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ALISMILE:
Yea! But Yar Adua was sincere in his effort to suppress them! But my broda GEJ saw an opportunity to take advantage of their senseless slaughter!

oduastates:
it does not mean that you should kill 300 people just like that.
I guess that omoluabi values makes for a different way of thinking.

Only one group had big guns and the onus was on them to minimise the use of violence.
From all the videos I 've seen, it was the army shooting at defenseless if petulant people who could have been dislodged with tear gas and rubber bullets. Or simply by the governor asking for audience with their leaders.
That their camp was destroyed a few days after, also means that this was premeditated.
It was murder pure and simple and that event has no place in a decent society.
You can check on YouTube to find more videos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhOWjwqLmRw


Someone was questioning the number of the dead, saying they only saw 3 bodies.
In the video .well even one is one too many for me.
But for those with humanity,this should gives you an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEu4YHa7bqs


Report from human right watch
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/22/nigeria-army-attack-shia-unjustified

Obynolee:




I have problem with your type because you can't sustain an arguement,i argue to learn because of that,i back my arguement up with facts,do you have any?.

shidof:
what abt blocking a major road, prohibit people frm entering a particular area with a ride except dere leader alone. Are dose ones part of dere peaceful manners to you?

Obynolee:
Which public area did they prohibits people from accessing?

odeh1:
I want to thank God for delivered us from those people, I leave in zaria, we close shops for whole day BC of those tout, I know last month we all close our shop BC of them, now we are free, $thefallofmightyzakzaky#

Obynolee:
Which public area did they prohibits people from accessing?

donsteve1984:
I think we need to tell ourselves a fundamental truth about the IMN in nigeria...one of thier stated goals is to introduce an iranian style revolution in nigeria and they receive major funding/backing from Iran.while not supporting military crack down on them,it is common knowledge that the Shias have very low regards for constituted authorities as well as very scant consideration for other non-adherents when ever they are doing thier celebrations in zaria.i was also born a d bred in zaria and presently reside in GRA.The shiites practically lock down the PZ/GRA/sokoto road axis for tne duration of thier programmes which last for days as against other muslims that equally block public road during thier friday prayers but with a defined duration of 30-45 mins max.As far as the incidence wifh the military goes,any residence of zaria knows that the military usually mount a major security operation around PZ and itz environs as well as other places senior officers/govt are scheduled to pass in order to protect them whenever recruits are having thier POP.since the shiites were also having thier procession same day along a major road which comes witn its attendant obstruction/scant regards for other users,im not really surprized that a clash like this happened.Frankly if u hve been to zaria and passed along this road,u will begin to ponder who gave these guys tne planning permission to build thier hussainiyyah complex where it is .one way to end this issue permanently is for thier hussainiyyah centre to be relocated to another place preferably a virgin or less populous settlement.

shidof:
ua still asking, tot dt u said dt ua living in d same area with El-zakzaky. Ask d people abt what transpired btw d shittes and ramalan yero. Gudnit

Mekwen:
PZ of course

omooba969:
How should the situation have been resolved?

Kyase:
http://leadership.ng/news/486687/zakzaky-ran-parallel-govt-20-years-zaria-residents-allege

wokomabest:
there should have been a way to avert the murderous act of shame by the nigeria military

oduastates:
it does not mean that you should kill 300 people just like that.
I guess that omoluabi values makes for a different way of thinking.

Only one group had big guns and the onus was on them to minimise the use of violence.
From all the videos I 've seen, it was the army shooting at defenseless if petulant people who could have been dislodged with tear gas and rubber bullets. Or simply by the governor asking for audience with their leaders.
That their camp was destroyed a few days after, also means that this was premeditated.
It was murder pure and simple and that event has no place in a decent society.
You can check on YouTube to find more videos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhOWjwqLmRw


Someone was questioning the number of the dead, saying they only saw 3 bodies.
In the video .well even one is one too many for me.
But for those with humanity,this should gives you an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEu4YHa7bqs


Report from human right watch
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/22/nigeria-army-attack-shia-unjustified

adioolayi:
"We no longer report Shiites to the police
because they will never honour police or security invitation.“These
Shiites are authority unto themselves; they don’t respect authority,
security and so on. We are Muslims but we discovered that Shiites
activities are contrary to Islam. They carry dangerous weapons
openly molesting innocent people in our areas. "


I've been thinking seriously on this issue...truth be told, if the Shiites are actually law abiding citizens as people claimed, the normalcy at the Northern part of the country would have been seriously jeopardized....series of violent protests would have been going on till now. But, the case is different as the immediate community hosting the Shiites is claiming peaceful atmosphere since the Army intervention..In all, peace of Nigeria is all we want

FisifunKododada:
Let me start by saying I am not religious. I am neither Christian or Muslim. Having said that, here goes.

Here is my opinion about Muslims in general. Compared to other religion practitioners Muslims are overly-sensitive when it comes to their religion. And they see no problem in violating state laws to impose their religious views.

FisifunKododada:
Islam is a political ideology. It desires to control ALL people - both Muslims and non-Muslims. IF you don't believe me TRY to comment on an ISLAM forum on NL. They ONLY way you will get access if you declare: "There is ONLY one God and Mohammed is his prophet." This is a dangerous ideology. A religion that will do ANYTHING to avoid criticism from those who do not agree with it. This is the foundation of FASCISM.

FisifunKododada:
Is And naturally, it leads to groups like Boko Haram; ISIS; Al Queda; etc. Let me repeat this again. Whenever you have a religion that absolutely refuses to be criticized what you get EVENTUALLY is terrorism. I see virtually all the Muslims on Nairaland openly saying they do not support extremist groups like Boko Haram. And I believe them when they say this. However, little do they know that by blocking other Nairalanders from coming into their ISLAM forum they are INDIRECTLY promoting the seeds of Islamic extremism.
Your theory is unfounded
go to the threads on that section, you will see tons of people criticising Islam


Have you ever wondered why you don't, in general, see these kind of terrorist groups among Christians and other religions? If you compare the average [b]committed Christian (or Buddhist etc.)[/b] to the average [b]committed Muslim[/b] you will notice one fundamental difference. The average committed Christian no.1 priority is not to STOP you from CRITICIZING his religion, but rather to share his gospel of Jesus with you. The very essence of Christianity is to engage with people who are more likely to criticize your beliefs. Then you can share the gospel with them. Islam does not have this essence and that is why, in my opinion, Muslims are more likely to engage in religious violence than Christians (or any other religious practitioners).
How much do you know of Christian history
Did you know that Budhists were attacking foreigners in Sri Lanka last year
A british tourist was even deported because he was disrespectful to Budha though she claimed to be misunderstood
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/january-2nd-2015/sri-lankas-not-so-tranquil-buddhists/
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/worldwatch/sri_lanka.php
https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-violent-buddhists-starting-riots-in-sri-lanka
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27107857

And BTW - Christians form terror groups - LRA in Uganda, NLFT in India, IRA in Ireland, Hutaree in the US
Western Countries fight for Christians - Sarah Palin said they went to Iraq because it was a mission from God
American soldiers in Iraq went around saying Jesus killed Mohammed and anybody who protested was shot
The same American soldiers painted signs of the cross on mosques
Please what is terrorism?

[quote author=FisifunKododada post=41400596]Islam needs REFORM. And I call on NL Muslims to champion this reform. They can start by removing the block they place on non-Muslims on NL. If you are[b] really sure[/b] of your religion, you should have no problem with people criticizing it or even making fun of it.[/b]o
Islam needs reform to look like …………….
You can ask the owner of the site to remove the block

[quote author=FisifunKododada post=41400596]Please [b]think carefully before you quote me as I am naturally allergic to Simpletons. Thank you.

Obynolee:
I don't need to ask because i witnessed it,they have their fault but my point is that,that their fault is not enough for the masacre,i also feared about the likely consiquencies because boko haram started this way.El-zakzaky might have his grievancies for the governmet but they don't harrass people of Zaria.Sunni muslims hate them a lot and they can't please them and i don't think i will change your perseption about them because a typical Hausa Muslim(which i believe you are)doesn't respect your religion once it is contrary to his.

BetaThings:
Certain Shia practices will ALWAYS annoy Sunnis
If they will stop holding events to slander the wives of the prophet (PBOH)
If they will stop cursing the companions of the Prophet (PBOH)
There will be less friction

Note that
Iran was a sunni country - it was converted by massacre, intimidation and torture into a shia country by the safavid regime
Today you cannot build a sunni mosque in Tehran (the capital)
Sunnis cannot pray eid in the same Tehran

Let me ask you this: if some "Christian group" regularly held processions to curse Peter, Mathew, John etc would you as a Christian love them?

In closing, look at this video of the duplicitous ways of the Shia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bysS8Yw7VGo

oduastates:
it does not mean that you should kill 300 people just like that.
I guess that omoluabi values makes for a different way of thinking.

Only one group had big guns and the onus was on them to minimise the use of violence.
From all the videos I 've seen, it was the army shooting at defenseless if petulant people who could have been dislodged with tear gas and rubber bullets. Or simply by the governor asking for audience with their leaders.
That their camp was destroyed a few days after, also means that this was premeditated.
It was murder pure and simple and that event has no place in a decent society.
You can check on YouTube to find more videos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhOWjwqLmRw


Someone was questioning the number of the dead, saying they only saw 3 bodies.
In the video .well even one is one too many for me.
But for those with humanity,this should gives you an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEu4YHa7bqs


Report from human right watch
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/22/nigeria-army-attack-shia-unjustified

ishiamu:
Cooked up stories by el rufai and his goons

omooba969:
How should the situation have been resolved?