DiademSh07:

However, his death which happened in the presence of the most high God means he's quite different from the normal dead people! Hence, we can't say that Moses still had his soul in the grave at the time he and Elijah visited Christ unlike other dead people who were still in the grave!
Note that this corruptibe body of ours won't get into heaven! And even those that would encounter rapture will have their body changed as they ascend into heaven! I'm sure Elijah's corruptible body also got changed as he ascended into heaven!
That's more reason we shouldn't say Jesus was speaking to a dead Moses! Just because Moses' corruptible body wasted away doesn't mean he didn't already resurrect before he visited Christ! After all, this body of ours is all sand in the end!

Who dies in God's absence? Where is God absent?

You're just making things up to enforce your theories. Moses is Dead. Dead means dead.

Whether or not we can or "can't say that Moses still had his soul in the grave at the time he and Elijah visited Christ unlike other dead people who were still in the grave" the only way you can believe that is to put the bible aside and start thinking extra biblically.

In other words you must betray your sola scriptura claims. Of course you've always betrayed sola scriptura, but here's a brazen example of that.

What is the basis of your speculations on the soul of Moses?

PastorAIO:


Who dies in God's absence? Where is God absent?

You're just making things up to enforce your theories. Moses is Dead. Dead means dead.

Whether or not we can or "can't say that Moses still had his soul in the grave at the time he and Elijah visited Christ unlike other dead people who were still in the grave" the only way you can believe that is to put the bible aside and start thinking extra biblically.

In other words you must betray your sola scriptura claims. Of course you've always betrayed sola scriptura, but here's a brazen example of that.

What is the basis of your speculations on the soul of Moses?

Because he was with Elijah during transfiguration and we know where Elijah came from! Hence, Moses already resurrected!

DiademSh07:

Because he was with Elijah during transfiguration and we know where Elijah came from! Hence, Moses already resurrected!

So they couldn't come from different places to block each other there at transfiguration.

What about Lazarus?

PastorAIO:

What about Lazarus?

In the Grave!

DiademSh07:

In the Grave!

Not the bosom of Abraham.

PastorAIO:


So they couldn't come from different places to block each other there at transfiguration.

What about Lazarus?

I go die o

Syncan:



I go die o

enjoy, part of d reason i visit NL is to laugh. D religion section has d best jokes.

PastorAIO:
How do you just make up all this stuff?

You should be a fiction writer. How do you know that Jesus never called Mary 'Mum'? Just because it's not written in the bible? Are you also going to tell us that Jesus never took a poo? That's not recorded in the bible either.

Jesus but was holy, I dont think he took a shit.

PLEASE NO MORE I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, HAHAHA . . .

What of Abraham?

Sincerely I believe all these wouldn't be happening if all d business corporation leaders of these days did some extensive reading and research on the scrolls gathered of old, there somethings are better explained and spelt out explicitly. Christianity has always been a communication with God and neighbor, this Christ clearly showed with his life on earth.

The initial idea of the bible's use was to make people more converse with the word of God as preached of old now I think I understand why it wasn't made available like dis day.

Also I still appreciate it was because I can study better and learn more, grow more and teach more.

Being a catholic has taught me great things that even science cannot understand.

U protestants say Mary is nothing claiming scripture left and right, but u forget something very important, here it is

Lk1:39-45
Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah, where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. WHEN ELIZABETH HEARD MARY'S GREETING, THE INFANT LEAPT IN HER WOMB, AND ELIZABETH, WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND CRIED OUT IN A LOUD VOICE AND SAID, "(1.BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN)(2.AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB)(3.AND HOW IS IT THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD SHOULD COME TO ME?)......

1. Someone filled with the Holy Spirit proclaims this, truly I don't know what spirit possesses u protestant that u can't proclaim it or even see it.
2. Blessed is the fruit of your womb meaning Christ truly dwelled there ruling out any false statement that her motherly role ends.
3. As if the (1.) is'nt enough Elizabeth goes further to seal the title of Mary as MOTHER OF GOD, AND HER QUEEN SHIP.

Now I believe that u get the message it's not manufactured by the church it's dere in ur own bible except u don't believe.

I repeat pls don't be like Pharisees who look for what is wrong with the truth that calm down and listen to the truth.

Peace.

Aizenosa:
Sincerely I believe all these wouldn't be happening if all d business corporation leaders of these days did some extensive reading and research on the scrolls gathered of old, there somethings are better explained and spelt out explicitly. Christianity has always been a communication with God and neighbor, this Christ clearly showed with his life on earth.

The initial idea of the bible's use was to make people more converse with the word of God as preached of old now I think I understand why it wasn't made available like dis day.

Also I still appreciate it was because I can study better and learn more, grow more and teach more.

Being a catholic has taught me great things that even science cannot understand.

U protestants say Mary is nothing claiming scripture left and right, but u forget something very important, here it is

Lk1:39-45
Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah, where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. WHEN ELIZABETH HEARD MARY'S GREETING, THE INFANT LEAPT IN HER WOMB, AND ELIZABETH, WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND CRIED OUT IN A LOUD VOICE AND SAID, "(1.BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN)(2.AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB)(3.AND HOW IS IT THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD SHOULD COME TO ME?)......

1. Someone filled with the Holy Spirit proclaims this, truly I don't know what spirit possesses u protestant that u can't proclaim it or even see it.
2. Blessed is the fruit of your womb meaning Christ truly dwelled there ruling out any false statement that her motherly role ends.
3. As if the (1.) is'nt enough Elizabeth goes further to seal the title of Mary as MOTHER OF GOD, AND HER QUEEN SHIP.

Now I believe that u get the message it's not manufactured by the church it's dere in ur own bible except u don't believe.

I repeat pls don't be like Pharisees who look for what is wrong with the truth that calm down and listen to the truth.

Peace.

Can you using scriptures teach me this;
1. Mary's perpetual virginity
2. Mary's sinlessness

Catholicism is satanism and paganism rolled into one. My heart leaps for joy and I glorify Got at the very thought of gallant reformers who did not fear for their life as they opposed Satan till Light/Reformation broke through!

Glory!!!

dmandy:


Sir,

You neglected the place I asked about the role of Moses and Elijah in the death of Christ.

I am sure you never read where I said you mentioned worshipping stops within? I only asked you how it manifests itself outside because I assumed (you didn't say) you know that it doesn't stop within. And to this you have given me answers including singing, praising, kneeling, bowing, praying etc. Thank You. Now, all these that you have mentioned are manifestations of 'interior' worship. Can I ask you this whether everyone doing any of those things is truly worshipping.

You have assumed I don't worship Mary. I do worship her. Veneration is also a form of worship. You should ask "do I worship Mary the same way I worship God?" And I will answer no, to God have I reserved the highest form of worship which is total submission and abandonment to his will.

Worship to me can be seen as either of ''the showing of great love, devotion and respect for someone or someone"

Smile, u worship mary, well enough thats what u guys n u seem to be d first to admit to me anyways.

Worshiping mary in any form is sacrligious irrespective of ow u try to differentiate worship, cos no where in d scripture support that.

And to answer ur question whether any one doing dose things is automatically worshiping, the answer is NO cos u can do those things with ur eart not being in it.

PastorOluT:


Smile, u worship mary, well enough thats what u guys n u seem to be d first to admit to me anyways.

Worshiping mary in any form is sacrligious irrespective of ow u try to differentiate worship, cos no where in d scripture support that.

And to answer ur question whether any one doing dose things is automatically worshiping, the answer is NO cos u can do those things with ur eart not being in it.

Calling Mary 'full of grace' is worship too. Why would the angel commit a sacrilegious thing? Do you have any idea?

Thanks for your answer. Now, does doing any of those even with your heart in automatically translates to worship?

chai i tot pastors are learned

vooks:


Can you using scriptures teach me this;
1. Mary's perpetual virginity
2. Mary's sinlessness

Catholicism is satanism and paganism rolled into one. My heart leaps for joy and I glorify Got at the very thought of gallant reformers who did not fear for their life as they opposed Satan till Light/Reformation broke through!

Glory!!!

I am glad you praise the "gallant reformers", it means you hold their teachings as true. Permit me to notify you about their thoughts on Mary's perpetual Virginity.

John Wesley, in 1749-----"I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin." (Letter to a Roman Catholic)

Huldrych Zwingli-----"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424)

Martin Luther-----"When Matthew says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom." (That Jesus was Born a Jew)


Martin Luther-----"Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. […] Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers." (Sermons on John)


Maybe the onus lies on you now, to find out why your champions, who are sola scriptura chanters, still proclaim the perpetual virginity of Mary. Then you ask yourself, when your pastor and you stopped proclaiming it and why.

lacum:
chai i tot pastors are learned

We are learned up to the point of collecting money from mumus. Beyond that, forgedaborit.

Ubenedictus:
Jesus but was holy, I dont think he took a shit.

I think it might be wiser to change the metaphor and let's talk about sneezing instead.


Do you think Jesus ever sneezed? Because I believe it is quite dusty in the levant.

Syncan:



I am glad you praise the "gallant reformers", it means you hold their teachings as true. Permit me to notify you about their thoughts on Mary's perpetual Virginity.

John Wesley, in 1749-----"I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin." (Letter to a Roman Catholic)

Huldrych Zwingli-----"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424)

Martin Luther-----"When Matthew says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom." (That Jesus was Born a Jew)


Martin Luther-----"Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. […] Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers." (Sermons on John)


Maybe the onus lies on you now, to find out why your champions, who are sola scriptura chanters, still proclaim the perpetual virginity of Mary. Then you ask yourself, when your pastor and you stopped proclaiming it and why.

They were coming from satanism, old habits die hard you know!

All I need is scriptural proof for perpetual virginity and sinlessness of Mary.

vooks:


They were coming from satanism, old habits die hard you know!

All I need is scriptural proof for perpetual virginity and sinlessness of Mary.

That's not good enough vooks, you should read about them and not condemn such men as Satanists, since they are your fathers in Protestantism.

You've not been Charitable with the ones I gave you so far, now Your fathers believed in this one, they have scriptural proof because they were sola scriptura chanters, so assignment for you, go and find out. When you show proof of effort, I will help you more.

Syncan:


That's not good enough vooks, you should read about them and not condemn such men as Satanists, since they are your fathers in Protestantism.

You've not been Charitable with the ones I gave you so far, now Your fathers believed in this one, they have scriptural proof because they were sola scriptura chanters, so assignment for you, go and find out. When you show proof of effort, I will help you more.

My authority is scriptures
A Catholic authority is Rome. So John Wesley may or may not be right and am not bound by his writings

You on the other hand have killed millions by threatening them with hellfire for using condoms but after pressure you flip flop and suddenly condoms can actually save lives

vooks:


My authority is scriptures
A Catholic authority is Rome. So John Wesley may or may not be right and am not bound by his writings

You on the other hand have killed millions by threatening them with hellfire for using condoms but after pressure you flip flop and suddenly condoms can actually save lives

Why is your mind filled with lewd thoughts?

Chai, it's wonderful to watch protestants go against their very foundation, right from inception it seems that dey have designed their thoughts to be upside down, hmm let's wait and see how they will be in the 28th century.

Syncan:


Why is your mind filled with lewd thoughts?

You are digressing
Demonstrate he basis for your perpetual virginity doctrine.

Or just say you can't

Aizenosa:
Chai, it's wonderful to watch protestants go against their very foundation, right from inception it seems that dey have designed their thoughts to be upside down, hmm let's wait and see how they will be in the 28th century.

Thank you Jesus Christ for delivering me from the kingdom of darkness and translating me into the kingdom of your light.

Babylon is fallen!

vooks:


You are digressing
Demonstrate he basis for your perpetual virginity doctrine.

Or just say you can't

I'm sure if you search through my posts on NL you'll find what something to help you, but you've got to work, so search my posts, since your cant read your own fathers nor scripture, nothing on a platter of gold for you again.

Syncan:


I'm sure if you search through my posts on NL you'll find what something to help you, but you've got to work, so search my posts, since your cant read your own fathers nor scripture, nothing on a platter of gold for you again.

Thank you for your kindness.

PastorAIO:


I think it might be wiser to change the metaphor and let's talk about sneezing instead.


Do you think Jesus ever sneezed? Because I believe it is quite dusty in the levant.

lol, Jesus nose was also holy he didnt sneeze.

Ubenedictus:
lol, Jesus nose was also holy he didnt sneeze.

Did Jesus eat?

Cc PastorAIO

vooks:


Did Jesus eat?

Cc PastorAIO

16 And the scribes of[a] the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples, “Why does he eat[b] with tax collectors and sinners?”

Mark 2.

PastorAIO:


16 And the scribes of[a] the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples, “Why does he eat[b] with tax collectors and sinners?”

Mark 2.

Why would he excuse Jesus of some bodily functions?
One would argue that pain is also a bodily function

vooks:

Why would he excuse Jesus of some bodily functions?
One would argue that pain is also a bodily function

Okay o, some bodily functions but not all. Only those bodily functions that we read about in the bible.

After Jesus digested the food what happened? Did the food just rapture from his belle? Because nowhere in the bible do we read that Jesus ever went to the toilet. Personally in is my doctrine that food automatically raptured from his stomach.

vooks:
Why would he excuse Jesus of some bodily functions?
One would argue that pain is also a bodily function

PastorAIO:
Okay o, some bodily functions but not all.
Only those bodily functions that we read about in the bible.

After Jesus digested the food what happened? Did the food just rapture from his belle?
Because nowhere in the bible do we read that Jesus ever went to the toilet.
Personally in is my doctrine that food automatically raptured from his stomach.

With Deuteronomy 23:12-13 in mind, there is a mention of a toilet of some sort in the bible
however nowhere in the bible do we read that anyone specifically or somebody in particular ever went to the toilet(s)
Haba! Going to the toilet, sitting on the throne, is not something deemed uncommon for Jesus to do