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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 7:41pm On Nov 26, 2015
vooks:

When you run of of knowledge and divine wisdom and start engaging dead people, you know your religion is dead. Adeboye has done none of that and I find it extremely silly that one would equate a belief that a dead person is in heaven with chatting with demons and familiar spirits. Did you know Queen of Heaven is a demon?

Adeboye has 'canonized' a 'saint,' like Catholics do, which pentecostals condemn.

First you condemn, then you copy.

Jesus engaged 'dead' people.
Do you know king of kings is Nebuchadnezzar?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 7:53pm On Nov 26, 2015
Scholar8200:
Alright. Perhaps 'most' could be changed to 'some'. Afterall you are the ones that accuse us of being sola scriptura.

That is in catholicism but right from Scripture, a saint is one who has repented and has surrendered to the Lordship of Christ while living having believed on His vicarious sacrifice.
The thief on the cross became a saint at the time he repented (means changed his mind), stopped railing at Jesus but rather, recognising that He was crucified not for any sin and believing on Him, requested for a place in His kingdom.(that request alone proves the man really believed Jesus was more than another dying fellow man but the Son of God.)



Adeboye has done what Catholics do in Canonization...which pentecostals condemn...declaring that a person lived right, died in grace and is now in heaven.

First, you condemn, then you copy.
Scholar8200:

The certainty exuded by the verse ranks just the same yet it will be wrong to say he was canonizing himself.
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.




Suddenly, they're bringing out verses to support Canonization..now that their 'pastor' has copied it.

Scholar8200:


But that quote says Catholicism has a process/some processes to be followed! Why then accuse a man for simply expressing an opinion (sans any process) which is by no means authoritative?

There was a process. Adeboye said he spoke to the woman and inferred that she no doubt, is in heaven. That is a process.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 8:02pm On Nov 26, 2015
Just some other examples of pentecostal clowns copying stupidly what they condemn Catholics for.

1. They condemn sacramentals then wear their own 'sacramentals' (Chosen apron)

2. They condemn the changing of water to wine but they drink petrol when their pastor says he's changed it to pineapple juice.

3. The condemn catholic vestments, then Adefarasin copies it and they love it.

4. They say the Pope has no right to say John Paul is in heaven, but they cannot condemn Adeboye for saying Awolowo is in heaven.

Hypocrites!

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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 8:04pm On Nov 26, 2015
There are many more Catholic doctrines that Pentecostals demonized, then copied...with pictures.

The shameful thing is that the pentecostals here are bent on denying what is so evident.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by sonofthunder: 9:44pm On Nov 26, 2015
italo:



Adeboye has done what Catholics do in Canonization...which pentecostals condemn...declaring that a person lived right, died in grace and is now in heaven.

First, you condemn, then you copy.




Suddenly, they're bringing out verses to support Canonization..now that their 'pastor' has copied it.



There was a process. Adeboye said he spoke to the woman and inferred that she no doubt, is in heaven. That is a process.
can you quote pastor Adeboye's words and highlight the supposed canonization? and also can you define canonization ?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Scholar8200(m): 10:42pm On Nov 26, 2015
italo:



Adeboye has done what Catholics do in Canonization...which pentecostals condemn...declaring that a person lived right, died in grace and is now in heaven.

First, you condemn, then you copy.
In a bid to justify that practise you assume that the statement, 'rest in the bosom of the Lord' or 'transition to glory' is the same as the canonization process of the RCC!!!



Suddenly, they're bringing out verses to support Canonization..now that their 'pastor' has copied it.
Suddenly you twist a post to say something different! I gave those passages to show that it was no new thing to speak of what will be one's destiny in eternity based on the faith and life lived. Catholic canonization comes years after person's death. Jesus, Paul etc spoke when still alive hence those passages where NOT given to encourage/defend your practise. Afterall was Paul 'canonising' the corinthians or ephesians when he called them saints?


There was a process. Adeboye said he spoke to the woman and inferred that she no doubt, is in heaven. That is a process.
Kindly quote where he expressedly said the highlighted and prove that the speaking took place after her death.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:23am On Nov 27, 2015
italo:


Adeboye has 'canonized' a 'saint,' like Catholics do, which pentecostals condemn.

First you condemn, then you copy.

Jesus engaged 'dead' people.
Do you know king of kings is Nebuchadnezzar?

Jesus is God, He is the creator, he talked to Satan, demons...... That's not your lot.

Catholicism on the other hand worships dead people. Adeboye even if he backslid would never sink to Catholicism blasphemy and idolatry.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:26am On Nov 27, 2015
italo:


So Jesus practised necromancy when he spoke to Moses and Elijah abi?

Well done!
Jesus is God, Jesus received worship. He created them. When God talks to dead men, that is Creator addressing his creatures. He created Elijah. Are you the Creator?

Necromancy is consulting the dead for counsel, protection, prayers.....

I never knew Catholics are this foolish
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:32am On Nov 27, 2015
italo:





There was a process. Adeboye said he spoke to the woman and inferred that she no doubt, is in heaven. That is a process.

Give us sources for this claim. Did Adeboye speak to the woman?
Satan is the father of all lies and am not surprised the biggest cult on earth that worships Devils has taught its members to lie.

Once again, believing people are in heaven is different from worshipping Devils.

Catholicism first only entrust their pope to declare saints are in heaven, secondly they declare the saints as fit to be worshipped and consulted. This is devil worship

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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:38am On Nov 27, 2015
italo:
Just some other examples of pentecostal clowns copying stupidly what they condemn Catholics for.

1. They condemn sacramentals then wear their own 'sacramentals' (Chosen apron)
Buffoon,
What are 'Catholic vestments'?

2. They condemn the changing of water to wine but they drink petrol when their pastor says he's changed it to pineapple juice.
M0ron, you don't deserve a response.

3. The condemn catholic vestments, then Adefarasin copies it and they love it.
What are 'Catholic vestments'? Religious garb is a very minor point of difference between Catholicism and Christianity.

4. They say the Pope has no right to say John Paul is in heaven, but they cannot condemn Adeboye for saying Awolowo is in heaven.

Hypocrites!

In Catholicism, only one person is imagined to be authorized to declare people to he in heaven. Italo when you die, your mother can't claim you are in heaven. Further, only the pope declares among the dead who is fit to be worshiped and consulted in necromancy rites
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 8:10pm On Nov 27, 2015
vooks:


Jesus is God, He is the creator, he talked to Satan, demons...... That's not your lot.

So Jesus is no more the role model of Christians, abi?
vooks:


Catholicism on the other hand worships dead people. Adeboye even if he backslid would never sink to Catholicism blasphemy and idolatry.

I don't know of any dead person that Catholics worship.

You're manufacturing things we don't do just to divert attention from the fact that you pentecostals condemn our doctrines and practices, then copy them.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 8:59pm On Nov 27, 2015
vooks:
Catholics not only pretend to know who is in heaven, they also know the 'best' dead men to consult. Certainly believing a departed soul is in heaven is poles apart from the doctrine of worshipping saints aka necromancy

Abeg o, that is not the meaning of necromancy. Necromancy is a form of divination based on the dead. The dead are not worshipped in Necromancy. anywhere you see =mancy it is a form of divination.

Geomancy. Divination using the earth

Hydromancy. Dvination using water.


etc etc etc
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:03pm On Nov 27, 2015
Has God stopped being the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

Is he the God of the living still, or can we now add dead people to the list?

Does our communion no longer include the living and the dead?

Are the dead in christ dead?

Who are the dead that bury the dead when Christ says let the dead bury the dead?

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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 9:33pm On Nov 27, 2015
italo:


So Jesus is no more the role model of Christians, abi?
He is your model, can I worship you just as I worship Him?
primitive Negro


I don't know of any dead person that Catholics worship.
idiocy and semantics. you worship dead men

You're manufacturing things we don't do just to divert attention from the fact that you pentecostals condemn our doctrines and practices, then copy them.
Catholicism is witchcraft;
1. Consult the dead
2. pray to images/idols
3. Vain repetitions
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 9:36pm On Nov 27, 2015
PastorAIO:


Abeg o, that is not the meaning of necromancy. Necromancy is a form of divination based on the dead. The dead are not worshipped in Necromancy. anywhere you see =mancy it is a form of divination.

Geomancy. Divination using the earth

Hydromancy. Dvination using water.


etc etc etc


Semantics again. What is the difference between negroes who visit cemetery and shrines to chat with their ancestors and a Catholic who desperately entreats a dead Paul to prey for him ?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 9:43pm On Nov 27, 2015
PastorAIO:

Has God stopped being the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

Is he the God of the living still, or can we now add dead people to the list?

Does our communion no longer include the living and the dead?

Are the dead in christ dead?

Who are the dead that bury the dead when Christ says let the dead bury the dead?

God is God of the Living but necromancy remains a sin. Chatting with the dead is satanism and witchcraft. Saul learned this the hard way
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:46pm On Nov 27, 2015
vooks:


Semantics again. What is the difference between negroes who visit cemetery and shrines to chat with their ancestors and a Catholic who desperately entreats a dead Paul to prey for him ?

You seem to be dismissive of the word Semantics. Why? I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:49pm On Nov 27, 2015
vooks:

God is God of the Living but necromancy remains a sin. Chatting with the dead is satanism and witchcraft. Saul learned this the hard way

You are responding to a post that doesn't even mention necromancy, neither in a proper meaningful way nor in the meaningless way as you have been doing so far.

If the God of Abraham is the God of the living, then would you say that abraham can be dead? If abraham isn't dead then what about the other christians that claim to be children of Abraham and to share in his promises?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:44am On Nov 28, 2015
PastorAIO:


You are responding to a post that doesn't even mention necromancy, neither in a proper meaningful way nor in the meaningless way as you have been doing so far.

If the God of Abraham is the God of the living, then would you say that abraham can be dead? If abraham isn't dead then what about the other christians that claim to be children of Abraham and to share in his promises?
You are devoid of reason. Isn't God too the God of Samuel? If so, why was it a sin for Saul to attempt to contact him vide the witch of Endor?

1 Chr 20:13-14
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:45am On Nov 28, 2015
PastorAIO:


You seem to be dismissive of the word Semantics. Why? I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word.
What was Saul's crime?
1 Chronicles 10:13-14
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 4:40am On Nov 29, 2015
vooks:

He is your model, can I worship you just as I worship Him?
primitive Negro



He is my role model means I should behave as he did...at least to the reasonable extent.

If Adeboye is your role model, would that mean that you should sleep with his wife and head RCCG...in his place?

Insulting me a million times doesn't mean that Jesus practiced necromancy.
vooks:

idiocy and semantics. you worship dead men



'Dead men' that you cannot name.

vooks:


Catholicism is witchcraft;
1. Consult the dead


So Jesus practised witchcraft at the transfiguration?

And it was this Catholicism witchcraft that they used in compiling the bible, changing worship day to Sunday, fixing Christmas and Easter...all further examples of Catholic doctrines and practices which you condemn and copy. grin

vooks:


2. pray to images/idols


So Joshua prayed to images/idols in Joshua 7:6?

vooks:


3. Vain repetitions

So Jesus said 'vain repititions' in Matt 26:44?

Or could it be that at your age, you don't know the meaning of the bold...and you don't know where to find the meaning of words?

It's called dictionary, boy.

By the way, is it vain repitition when you and your pastors say: "shibobobobomashinda" hundred times?

Or when you and your Mountain of Fire people scream "fire fire fire fire...." till they lose their voices?

Condemn and copy!
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 4:46am On Nov 29, 2015
vooks:


Semantics again. What is the difference between negroes who visit cemetery and shrines to chat with their ancestors and a Catholic who desperately entreats a dead Paul to prey for him ?

And Jesus who went a mountain and chatted with Elijah and Moses (you forgot that one).

What's the difference?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 5:02am On Nov 29, 2015
vooks:

God is God of the Living but necromancy remains a sin. Chatting with the dead is satanism and witchcraft. Saul learned this the hard way

1. Necromancy is not "chatting with the dead." It is divining (conjuring their spirits).

2. Saints are alive. Jesus said so. You don't believe Jesus?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 5:08am On Nov 29, 2015
vooks:

You are devoid of reason. Isn't God too the God of Samuel? If so, why was it a sin for Saul to attempt to contact him vide the witch of Endor?

1 Chr 20:13-14

Did Jesus use any witch?

If Saul was doing what Catholic do, would he need to travel to seek a witch?

Do Catholics and Jesus need to go anywhere to talk to the Saints?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 5:25am On Nov 29, 2015
vooks:

What was Saul's crime?
1 Chronicles 10:13-14
13 - So Saul died for his iniquities, because he transgressed the commandment of the Lord, which he had commanded, and kept it not: and moreover consulted also a witch,

14 - And trusted not is the Lord: therefore he slew him, and transferred his kingdom to David the son of Isai.

Did Jesus/Catholics consult any witch?

We Catholics speak to the Saints in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:52am On Nov 29, 2015
italo:
13 - So Saul died for his iniquities, because he transgressed the commandment of the Lord, which he had commanded, and kept it not: and moreover consulted also a witch,

14 - And trusted not is the Lord: therefore he slew him, and transferred his kingdom to David the son of Isai.

Did Jesus/Catholics consult any witch?

We Catholics speak to the Saints in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Fool, the witch consulted a living Saint (Samuel) for Saul. Supposing he witch was day a domestic servant for Samuel and she sent and called Samuel from his room. Do you think Saul pull have erred in contacting a living Samuel through the witch.

Grow a brain you negro Neanderthal
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:54am On Nov 29, 2015
italo:


Did Jesus use any witch?

If Saul was doing what Catholic do, would he need to travel to seek a witch?

Do Catholics and Jesus need to go anywhere to talk to the Saints?




The witch was a MEDIUM to contact the dead, she was the means. Do you think if Saul contacted Samuel directly he'd have lived ?

Start thinking you necromancer. Hell is beckoning.
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:54am On Nov 29, 2015
italo:


1. Necromancy is not "chatting with the dead." It is divining (conjuring their spirits).

2. Saints are alive. Jesus said so. You don't believe Jesus?

Fool, necromancy is CONTACTING the dead
According to you, is Samuel a saint or not? Is he living or dead?
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:55am On Nov 29, 2015
italo:


And Jesus who went a mountain and chatted with Elijah and Moses (you forgot that one).

What's the difference?
Jesus is God, he created the heaven. Since you follow Jesus, what have you created lately?

Jesus being God talks to dead people, he gives eternal life but you can't because you are a creature. He also died and went and preached to the dead yet you can't do that. Necromancy will lead you to hell. Virgin Mary is a demon as Mary is busy in heaven. She can't see you. If you stop worshipping Devils, you may meet her on the last day

Reasoning with primitive lowIQ Negroes is a real pain
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:05am On Nov 29, 2015
Ubenedictus:


they claim the pope cannot declear that a dead xtian is in heaven, but pastor adeboye can. They will come here and attempt to defend him.


I once had a friend he was a member of oyedepo's 'church', we happened to discuss many issues regarding doctrines, he would demonise catholics for calling their priest 'rev fr' but he didnt see d hypocrisy of calling oyedepo 'papa'. The issue that interested me d most was dat this guy didnt blieve in d trinity(he picked his opinion from a tele evangelist), we spent close to a year discussing trinity, i wasted my time taking him through passage by passage and showing how in d fullness of time God revealed himself as a mutual indwelling of 3 persons, he told me that my explanation were fine but that an unbeliever wit a bible won't be able to read trinity there so he concluded it was a theory of man, d issue bcame too hot, i had to let it be. 6months later dis guy claim he now believed in d trinity, how come? And influential pastor/writter taught it in his book so he accepted it as true.

After several such case, i came to d conclusion that most protestants don't care what d truth is, if their pastor or writter is against d catholic d average protestant will do d same and he will maintain d catholic practice is wrong not minding d fact his church has a similar one. It is hypocrisy but d protestant doesnt care, ro far he has sumtin to protest about.
that's why they are called protestants

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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 6:14am On Nov 29, 2015
Empredboy:
that's why they are called protestants
They had enough of bullsh*t asinine satanic doctrines such as selling sins and buying your way out of purgatory.

Catholics detest thinking. They are he shallowest in scriptures preferring to regurgitate whatever Rome thinks.

Look at a Catholic view on contraceptives. Hey can't think and have to wait till Rome gives instructions. How much AIDS has spread during Rome's censure if condoms. Then they shift their stance without any apology or remorse over their past errors.

Catholicism is a big cult receiving doctrines from Rome
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:16am On Nov 29, 2015
adsonstone:


Perhaps, he also declared that Christians should now venerate and pray through her.

...and if tomorrow, I say 'I have no doubt that my late grandpa is in Heaven,' I have canonized him...wrong?
bros you know one thing about the pentecostal? They change with time or after reading the Bible to a full understanding. What I mean is when I was younger, some of the pentecostal churches I attended were not observing the sharing of the holy communion but now they do it, now a 'strong man' of God has canonized a dead person of which they condemned, I can bet you that with they thread these pentecostal churches are going they will remember the meaning of 'Christ conquering death' that death has no power over the living an the dead. So they will start asking their dead bros and sis to pray for they.

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