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Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 8:50am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
Its bewildering, can't they see the truth?
Take my wife for example.
She questions, and sometimes ridicules some of the things that she grew up to believe.

But yet, she is so fearful of completely letting go of the very same beliefs.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 8:53am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
The ignorance prevalent in this thread is enormous, I agree theists just come here to tell other people about their delusions in order for it to be real to them.

That's why they have to go to church every week.
And you come here why?
To convince yourself?
Your memes are still stupid, you can get more reasonable ones here

https://www.nairaland.com/2609533/atheist-quotes
grin
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 8:56am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
I'm serious, stop quoting me. Your stupidity is so great it's annoying. Just stop, my 8 year old brother is probably more educated than you.
Yeah, i know what kind of place you come from. I know those cricles.

Yeah, i showed you how foolish you are, and its annoying.
I get it.

The truth will set you free, but first, it will piss you off.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 8:57am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
No, the law of gravity proves all the matter in the universe came from nothing. (technically fluctuations in the quantum fields)

Nothing causes these fluctuations, they just happen of their own Accord, the big bang created 99.89% of all the matter in the universe today. What created the remaining 11%? Quantum field fluctuations that happen randomly everyday, everywhere in all parts of observable space.
that the universe came out from nothing is not a scientifically proven fact, the fact that time began to exist to together with cause and effect, meaning anything that exist prior to the material universe is logically flawed, if I may ask , how does this matter exist in the absence of the material universe ?
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 9:00am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
Take my wife for example.
She questions, and sometimes ridicules some of the things that she grew up to believe.

But yet, she is so fearful of completely letting go of the very same beliefs.
what are the questions she asks? Hope you are not manipulating her ? (sorry if I sound rude)
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:02am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
Take my wife for example.
She questions, and sometimes ridicules some of the things that she grew up to believe.

But yet, she is so fearful of completely letting go of the very same beliefs.
Fear is synonymous with religion
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 9:04am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
Fear is synonymous with religion
in religion, what do you fear ?
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:05am On Dec 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
that the universe came out from nothing is not a scientifically proven fact, the fact that time began to exist to together with cause and effect, meaning anything that exist prior to the material universe is logically flawed, if I may ask , how does this matter exist in the absence of the material universe ?
Simpler terms - space and quantum fields = infinite (existed forever no known way to create it)

Matter and energy, = finite (it can be created from quantum fields and vaporized into nothing at the quantum scale)
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:06am On Dec 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
in religion, what do you fear ?
The religious fear Death, the true nature of reality and fear of having no sense of purpose.

I have no fears.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 9:12am On Dec 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
what are the questions she asks? Hope you are not manipulating her ? (sorry if I sound rude)
No doubts, I am a big influence in her life, as she is in mine.That's the way it's suppose to be.

For example, during a discussion one day, I reminded her that billions of humans have come gone since Jesus supposedly promised to come within a generation 2000 yrs ago.
When it hit her that this scam has been going on for 2000 solid years, we both enjoyed a big long laugh.
grin
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 9:19am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
Who says that Hawkins made a big mistake?
What mistake?
An atheist like you.
hawkins has become your god that his mistakes shock you undecided
pathetic!
plaetton:
The real problem is that Hawkins argument cannot be understood by the pedestrian minds of homo religilous.
you mean cant be accepted by people who refuse to be willing blind.

plaetton:
The main problem , as I always emphasize , is quality education.. Someone who barely went through integrated science in junior secondary school is not expected to grasp the complex nature and properties of gravity at the quantum level, as explained by a certified genius and physicist, Steven Hawkins.
Isaac Newton and other great scientists too had a problem to have acknowledged God.
Interesting

plaetton:
It still shocks me everyday when I see kingebukasblog, winner01, etc, whose last science lesson was in junior secondary school, come out to passionately attack scientists and scientific ideas, all in defence of magic. undecided
Who are the scientists?undecided You undecided

Even those wen never gain admission talkless of conducting researches go dey claim scientist. google assisted scientists grin

I just finished my masters this year, about to start my Phd.
so i perfectly understand if you say im passionate in attacking ignorance.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 9:20am On Dec 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
that the universe came out from nothing is not a scientifically proven fact, the fact that time began to exist to together with cause and effect, meaning anything that exist prior to the material universe is logically flawed, if I may ask , how does this matter exist in the absence of the material universe ?
Matter is simply energy in condescend form.

So, matter existed and continues to exist in the form of electromagnetic energy.

Look what happens when you smash an atom,
Bang!!!!
Condensed energy is liberated.
E=MC2

So, energy, matter, light, motion, all in the same equation, all beget one another.

No God required, just a quantum field.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 9:21am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
Simpler terms - space and quantum fields = infinite (existed forever no known way to create it)

Matter and energy, = finite (it can be created from quantum fields and vaporized into nothing at the quantum scale)
space exist forever ? I thought you said in one of your post, the big bang began with a SINGULARITY ? Meaning the big bang cause the expansion?

Any how you twist it my good friend, one the for sure, there was a ZERO event, which NOTHING exist, as per christians point of view God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. I do not believe that
presenting a viable naturalistic model
of the origin of the universe disproves
God’s existence. Thank you.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:23am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
No, the law of gravity proves all the matter in the universe came from nothing. (technically fluctuations in the quantum fields)

Nothing causes these fluctuations, they just happen of their own Accord, the big bang created 99.89% of all the matter in the universe today. What created the remaining 11%? Quantum field fluctuations that happen randomly everyday, everywhere in all parts of observable space.
11%? Let's see: 99.89%+11%=110.89%.
Olodo. Na for prison you dey learn PERCENTAGE/FRACTIONS?
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 9:26am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
An atheist like you.
hawkins has become your god that his mistakes shock you undecided
pathetic!
you mean cant be accepted by people who refuse to be willing blind.

Isaac Newton and other great scientists too had a problem to have acknowledged God.
Interesting


Who are the scientists?undecided You undecided

Even those wen never gain admission talkless of conducting researches go dey claim scientist. google assisted scientists grin

I just finished my masters this year, about to start my Phd.
so i perfectly understand if you say im passionate in attacking ignorance.
I am not surprised at whatever your paper qualifications are. After all, you're a Nigerian, where mathematics lecturers preach magic.

It's people like you that drive our passion in this religilous section.
Supposedly educated, but beholden to stoneage superstitions. Aversive to science, but beholden to magic.
You represent the tragedy of middle East sh.it religions on the African mind.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:27am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
I'm serious, stop quoting me. Your stupidity is so great it's annoying. Just stop, my 8 year old brother is probably more educated than you.
That your 8-year old brother overwhelms you doesn't mean he is more educated than anyone. It simply means one thing: You are re.tarded.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:29am On Dec 29, 2015
timonski:
11%? Let's see: 99.89%+11%=110.89%.
Olodo. Na for prison you dey learn PERCENTAGE/FRACTIONS?
It's obvious I meant to type.0.11%
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 9:30am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
The religious fear Death, the true nature of reality and fear of having no sense of purpose.

I have no fears.
now that you are into atheism, you do not fear death?
If you want to relieve your fears about
death, you should try to determine if
Christianity is true or false, which is what atheists are doing. If you fear death, yet believe that God does not exist, then you are being irrational.Then again, maybe you uncertain whether death is the end of your existence. Are you ready to die? Kingebuka and I have create threads similar to this.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 9:42am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
I am not surprised at whatever your paper qualifications are. After all, you're a Nigerian, where mathematics lecturers preach magic.

It's people like you that drive our passion in this religilous section.
Supposedly educated, but beholden to stoneage superstitions. Aversive to science, but beholden to magic.
You represent the tragedy of middle East sh.it religions on the African mind.
I guess Newton was also taught by magicians, undecided Dolt.

Dont cling to science!!
Stand on your own.
Science is not atheism neither does it have anything to offer atheism.

Atheism: is disbelief/lack of belief in God or gods.
Give reasons not your shallow "scientific" knowledge gotten from google.

You are very irrelevant and your opinion dont matter to anyone, except maybe your wife. Thats why you are on the religipn section, you need relevance so much. But dont be stup1d in going about it.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by malvisguy212: 9:44am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
No doubts, I am a big influence in her life, as she is in mine.That's the way it's suppose to be.

For example, during a discussion one day, I reminded her that billions of humans have come gone since Jesus supposedly promised to come within a generation 2000 yrs ago.
When it hit her that this scam has been going on for 2000 solid years, we both enjoyed a big long laugh.
grin
that's a prophecy pleatton, people died before the coming of Jesus mean their world end there, the bible put it this way, After death comes judgment. Please show her my reply to your question.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 9:44am On Dec 29, 2015
timonski:
11%? Let's see: 99.89%+11%=110.89%.
Olodo. Na for prison you dey learn PERCENTAGE/FRACTIONS?
Na google student na.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by ifenes(m): 9:47am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
You are a spiritualist, or better still a solipsist not an atheist.
Why are all of you, even satanists too who claim to worship themselves against Christianity.
Arnt y'all supposed to be against religion.

Of course, i wont expect y'all to concern yourselves with lies.
What is a Spiritualist? Do you even have a clue what a spirit is?
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 9:49am On Dec 29, 2015
ifenes:
What is a Spiritualist? Do you even have a clue what a spirit is?
No, Humor me grin
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 9:53am On Dec 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
that's a prophecy pleatton, people died before the coming of Jesus mean their world end there, the bible put it this way, After death comes judgment. Please show her my reply to your question.
Lol.
Doesn't get it.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by ifenes(m): 9:56am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
No, Humor me grin
Then you need to learn
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by Nobody: 9:57am On Dec 29, 2015
Unfollowing, dumbos everywhere
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by ifenes(m): 10:10am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
An atheist like you.
hawkins has become your god that his mistakes shock you undecided
pathetic!
you mean cant be accepted by people who refuse to be willing blind.

Isaac Newton and other great scientists too had a problem to have acknowledged God.
Interesting


Who are the scientists?undecided You undecided

Even those wen never gain admission talkless of conducting researches go dey claim scientist. google assisted scientists grin

I just finished my masters this year, about to start my Phd.
so i perfectly understand if you say im passionate in attacking ignorance.
A degree in PHD is no proof of knowledge. What comes out of your brain is obviously from a wine bar.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 10:11am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
I guess Newton was also taught by magicians, undecided Dolt.

Dont cling to science!!
Stand on your own.
Science is not atheism neither does it have anything to offer atheism.

Atheism: is disbelief/lack of belief in God or gods.
Give reasons not your shallow "scientific" knowledge gotten from google.

You are very irrelevant and your opinion dont matter to anyone, except maybe your wife. Thats why you are on the religipn section, you need relevance so much. But dont be stup1d in going about it.
You keep invoking Newton. Why ?
What do you know about Newton ? Very little, except the popular anecdote that he was a Christian.
Of course, he was a Christian who sought to reconcile his beliefs with the scientific discoveries of his era. That made perfect sense.
But you don't know that his hunger for knowledge extended well beyond silly stone age myths. He was also well known Rosicrucian, a master Mason and a grandmaster the Prior Of Scion, a very secret society of his era.
After his death, manuscripts were discovered in his chambers that showed that he was a great practitioner of occult science.
Again, this great man hungered and searched, in honesty, to find bridge between his prior religious upbringing and the new vistas of scientific rationalism that was rapidly sweeping his society.

I find it very laughable when half-baked blokes like you claim him as one of your own. cheesy

And, you religiotards are the ones who always seem to conflate atheism with science.

Atheism doesn't require scientific knowledge.

Atheists only acknowledge , and point out the simple glaring fact that scientific rationalism is the most reliable, time-tested and validated system to explore and understand the universe.

Religious, supernatural mumbo jumbo is for the planets idi.ots.
We have been there, tried that, done that,..for many thousands of years.
And we know better now.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 10:15am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
No doubts, I am a big influence in her life, as she is in mine.That's the way it's suppose to be.

For example, during a discussion one day, I reminded her that billions of humans have come gone since Jesus supposedly promised to come within a generation 2000 yrs ago.
When it hit her that this scam has been going on for 2000 solid years, we both enjoyed a big long laugh.
grin
First convince her to accept that logic explains everything.

Secondly, ask her to give you logical reasons why you should stick to being faithful to her when you can enjoy yourself by having other sweet and more pretty girl friends before your sex drive diminishes.

Thirdly, ask her to give you logical reasons why marriage is not a scam, since it was passed down to us by older primitive generations.
Since we were indoctrinated into believing that we need to stick to one female till she grows old.
Afterall we are only meaningless higher animals who just happened to suface as a result of a chaotic explosion.

You can also post her logical replies here grin
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by plaetton: 10:20am On Dec 29, 2015
winner01:
First convince her to accept that logic explains everything.

Secondly, ask her to give you logical reasons why you should stick to being faithful to her when you can enjoy yourself by having other sweet and more pretty girl friends before your sex drive diminishes.

Thirdly, ask her to give you logical reasons why marriage is not a scam, since it was passed down to us by older primitive generations.
Since we were indoctrinated into believing that we need to stick to one female till she grows old.
Afterall we are only meaningless higher animals who just happened to suface as a result of a chaotic explosion.

You can also post her logical replies here grin
Huh ? huh

What's all this incoherent Babble ? shocked

A Master's degree Holder?
C'mon !! undecided

I guess they don't make those degrees as good as they used to.
Or you folks are special needs children with learning disabilities.

Pitiful.
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 10:20am On Dec 29, 2015
Joshuabase:
Unfollowing, dumbos everywhere
Yh, go back to your ward, reta*d. angry
Re: A More reasonable Break Down Of Stephen Hawkin's Famous Quote On Gravity by winner01(op): 10:22am On Dec 29, 2015
plaetton:
You keep invoking Newton. Why ?
What do you know about Newton ? Very little, except the popular anecdote that he was a Christian.
Of course, he was a Christian who sought to reconcile his beliefs with the scientific discoveries of his era. That made perfect sense.
But you don't know that his hunger for knowledge extended well beyond silly stone age myths. He was also well known Rosicrucian, a master Mason and a grandmaster the Prior Of Scion, a very secret society of his era.
After his death, manuscripts were discovered in his chambers that showed that he was a great practitioner of occult science.
Again, this great man hungered and searched, in honesty, to find bridge between his prior religious upbringing and the new vistas of scientific rationalism that was rapidly sweeping his society.

I find it very laughable when half-baked blokes like you claim him as one of your own. cheesy

And, you religiotards are the ones who always seem to conflate atheism with science.

Atheism doesn't require scientific knowledge.

Atheists only acknowledge , and point out the simple glaring fact that scientific rationalism is the most reliable, time-tested and validated system to explore and understand the universe.

Religious, supernatural mumbo jumbo is for the planets idi.ots.
We have been there, tried that, done that,..for many thousands of years.
And we know better now.
Same reason you keep invoking science.
Cant you stand on your own.?

All the bull you put up here, is it from the books you read or from google? grin
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