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Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by MizMyColi(f): 2:25pm On Jan 03, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
Hee, true. The 'hypocrisy' has become too obvious.

Any religion that professes to be concerned about the souls of men and is not concerned about the slums that damn them, the economic conditions that strangle them and the social conditions that cripple them is a spiritually moribund religion awaiting burial.
Martin Luther King, Jr.


There's a strong wave rising. African 'youths' are fed up of living miserably. They'll start asking questions. They might make mistakes along the way (IPOB). But, in Christian parlance, all these work together for good. This period in our history is planting seeds of doubt, yielding questions that desire answers, answers that are no longer being satisfied by sanctimoniously quoting Scripture. I doubt anyone is reading history as much as Africans are right now.

The Bible and the Quran are books written by a people of a different time, written for them and to them. No Igbo or Yoruba man penned a single text in those books. Those books limit our understanding of history and world politics to stories of David and Goliath and King Ahab.

Don't get me wrong. I have seen and have friends who are religious, and quite intelligent. The problem especially in Nigeria is we preach 'beliefs' as facts that should never be questioned or denied.

When people begin to 'know' themselves, they will first turn on their religious leaders, especially when 'GOD' begins to feel like a cage that traps the human spirit of freedom.

dearpreye MizMyColi
For this you penned?
I Love Youkiss

I totally agree with every paragraph up there.
I have no cause to disparage any.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:25pm On Jan 03, 2016
Bollinger:
Lol. . .It is always beneficial to read and apply knowledge. There is no point in educating oneself if one will still be following the norm. Back in the day, the church burned anyone at the stake for even suggesting that the earth was round. Same with curing most diseases. It was termed witchcraft. Later, it was said that it was impossible to visit the stars. People are now living in space stations, up there and are now taking applications from people who would want to be the first to go to mars and live there forever. It is a one way trip. This galaxy is huge bro's. As history has told us countless times, nothing is impossible where science is involved. It is only in Nigeria that it is impossible because we are still living in the pre caveman era.
Your arguments are weak.

One, the notion that the earth was flat back then was a widely held belief by all, not necessarily the church. And please don't refer to the catholic church as 'the church'. I doubt if you know what the Reformation was all about.

Two, regarding a visit to the stars, well if you lived in that era, you'd believe the same thing, too. It's so easy to crucify those people because of your so-called 'knowledge' of today, one that's done more harm than good.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by MathsChic(f): 2:26pm On Jan 03, 2016
superior1:
Nonsense remains so even if spoken by a distinguished scholar. Does the acclaimed intellectual have any empirical data to back his claim, can he show us any verified research that support his claimshuh

The Prof is a fool
People like you should be classed among the Talibans. That's what you are, in a queer way.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:26pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
You can speak as much as you want against religion so long you don't deny the righteousness that comes with believing in Christ's atoning work on the cross.

Christianity is not religion but faith in Christ.
What we practise here is nothing but confusion. The numbers of Christians within Nigeria are enough to change it for good but they are also mired in deep corruption.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by MathsChic(f): 2:28pm On Jan 03, 2016
erusen:
why dont u kill 5.8 billion people,and dont call other people belief mediocrity.the internet is making the world small,do u know who big the world is.
Because some people believe certain things doesn't make it right. Some thoughts are actually mediocre. And if they are, same should be said.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by kingsilly(m): 2:28pm On Jan 03, 2016
Haven't been to church for sometime now, months it is, went today and it seem I'm feeling disconnected with the doctrine of the church and the idea as a whole, I do listen to Christian podcast(Joel Osteen preferably)for those time I wasn't in church and still feel more fulfilled hearing the word unfiltered just by meself not influenced by anyone..
Will take another lengthy time before I step into church again, christianity to me is a state of mind, and such state can be achieved when you @ the confine of your home or anywhere.
Nigerians religion leaders has topsided it


@ oliviaarims Wat say you.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by erusen: 2:28pm On Jan 03, 2016
lookandlaff:
I beleive I did, i said no. In anything one does one must know why he does it and you dont have to prove yourself to another man especially on the issue of faith, it's a personal thing. I like the reasons you gave....because it works for you. If it boosts the quality of your life then that's a valid reason. What I was saying id that a lot of people dont even know why they do what they do and when you question their religion they resort to quoting scripture
that is what we call brainwashing.u the most reasonable person i have seen in nairaland all day
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:30pm On Jan 03, 2016
dearpreye:
What we practise here is nothing but confusion. The numbers of Christians within Nigeria are enough to change it for good but they are also mired in deep corruption.
How many Christians do we have in this nation? Got any data on that?

When you meet a real Christian, then you'll be able to understand this argument better.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by dake40(m): 2:30pm On Jan 03, 2016
superior1:
Nonsense remains so even if spoken by a distinguished scholar. Does the acclaimed intellectual have any empirical data to back his claim, can he show us any verified research that support his claimshuh

The Prof is a fool
What is this one Saying?..

Can you acquire every truth base only upon Empirical investigation?..

Rationalism is beyond Empiricism to acquire knowledge my friend.... That's why People like you get fooled.

Your life needs Philosophy.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by leofab(f): 2:31pm On Jan 03, 2016
E
Niyeal:
The Prof is an Atheist. He need prayer, YOU CANT ENJOY THE FULLNESS OF GOD IF YOU ARE NOT Fool.
foolish Niyeal ;Denjoy your fullness of God.... tongue
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by SoNature(m): 2:32pm On Jan 03, 2016
Idrismusty97:
We need more people like him to speak up against religion. The Era of religion should be long gone.
No matter how we see it, religion has a major role to play in the lives of citizens...yes, it helps to build our morals and revive our consciences, thereby making us good people. We must not condemn it because a few people have hijacked it to their selfish gains. Just like Marthin Lurther did in ancient Roman Catholic Church, we must ask questions, and question the rational behind some of the things we hear, and things we are asked to do. Religion is still important, and it is the responsibility of the people and govts to checkmate its abuse.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
How many Christians do we have in this nation? Got any data on that?

When you meet a real Christian, then you'll be able to understand this argument better.
I've put a huge gulf between religion and I. We will never meet again. We must engage our minds to develop our nation.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by superior1: 2:33pm On Jan 03, 2016
MathsChic:
People like you should be classed among the Talibans. That's what you are, in a queer way.
Why is that, the same reason you should be among ISIS women brigade?
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Shaftrod(m): 2:34pm On Jan 03, 2016
Am Atheist, so that excludes me. Am Atheist, so that excludes me. Am Atheist, so that excludes me.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by leofab(f): 2:34pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
You can speak as much as you want against religion so long you don't deny the righteousness that comes with believing in Christ's atoning work on the cross.

Christianity is not religion but faith in Christ.
but Islam is a religion and faith in Mohammed ? Or rather Buddhism is religion and not having faith in Buddha? Your hypocrisy knows no bound...
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by superior1: 2:34pm On Jan 03, 2016
dake40:
What is this one Saying?..

Can you acquire every truth base only upon Empirical investigation?..

Rationalism is beyond Empiricism to acquire knowledge my friend.... That's why People like you get fooled.

Your life needs Philosophy.
What arrant nonsense is this thing saying undecided huh huh
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by superior1:
Owlcity2:
Sorry sir, but you are the proof.
undecided
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:37pm On Jan 03, 2016
dearpreye:
I've put a huge gulf between religion and I. We will never meet again. We must engage our minds to develop our nation.
I never said anything about religion, dear.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:37pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
I never said anything about religion, dear.
Christ I took. But anything else surrounding him I reject.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:38pm On Jan 03, 2016
leofab:
but Islam is a religion and faith in Mohammed ? Or rather Buddhism is religion and not having faith in Buddha? Your hypocrisy knows no bound...
It's wisdom to speak for what you believe in.

What do you believe in?
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by poweredcom(m): 2:38pm On Jan 03, 2016
Na passtor house de fine d people de suffer fela don talk am.....amen amen....
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:39pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
How many Christians do we have in this nation? Got any data on that?

When you meet a real Christian, then you'll be able to understand this argument better.
Problem is it often has litle to do with whether they are christians or not, they are usually people who would be good people even if they werent religious. This is not to say that religion does not have an influence on good behaviour.


Nigerians give Christianity a bad name. I can't count the number of times someone is about to rip me off and the 1st thing he says is "i am a christian"
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:40pm On Jan 03, 2016
The more you use your mind, the less you need of religion.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Bollinger(m): 2:40pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Your arguments are weak.

One, the notion that the earth was flat back then was a widely held belief by all, not necessarily the church. And please don't refer to the catholic church as ' the church'.

Two, regarding a visit to the stars, well if you lived in that era, you'd believe the same thing, too. It's so easy to crucify those people because of your so-called 'knowledge' of today, one that's done more harm than good.
I only wish you had read your post before you clicked "submit".

1. The church was indeed the catholic faith. There was no anglican, protestant, baptist, etc.

2. The fact that the opinion that the earth was round and held by all, and contrary views were quashed by the "church", is, like i said previously, the norm. The Church was the state. Nothing was done without the consent of the church. So raising a view contrary to the church was life threatening.

3. You prove my points by just typing. You said "regarding a visit to the stars, well if you lived in that era, you'd believe the same thing too". There is a reason we often fall back on history so as not to make mistakes in the future. If the folks back in the day underestimated the power of science, why should we in this day and age do the same thing. We would be making the same mistakes they made. I said it is possible that life could be found on other planets and you said it is impossible, thereby making the same mistakes our ancestors made. There is nothing like impossible when it pertains to science. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it couldn't.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:41pm On Jan 03, 2016
dearpreye:
Christ I took. But anything else surrounding him I reject.
Ok. Fair enough. But I hope you're born again otherwise your 'Christ I took' is nothing but... wait for it... religion.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by dake40(m): 2:42pm On Jan 03, 2016
superior1:
What arrant nonsense is this thing saying undecided huh huh
Short of ideas?
Your skull needs criticalthinking.org
Pele!
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:42pm On Jan 03, 2016
SoNature:
No matter how we see it, religion has a major role to play in the lives of citizens...yes, it helps to build our morals and revive our consciences, thereby making us good people. We must not condemn it because a few people have hijacked it to their selfish gains. Just like Marthin Lurther did in ancient Roman Catholic Church, we must ask questions, and question the rational behind some of the things we hear, and things we are asked to do. Religion is still important, and it is the responsibility of the people and govts to checkmate its abuse.
well said
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Ruuhh(m): 2:43pm On Jan 03, 2016
tosyne2much:
I'm inclined to agree with the professor. As a matter of fact, religion is beginning to be more of curse than blessing, and this is because we don't think critically and analytically, hence, blaming all our misfortunes on ill-luck on witches and wizards and/or God's wishes


Many at times, we fail to accept the responsibility of our errors and misdeeds but will attribute them to God's plan


Take for example, you would see some religious zealous in school attending church service every now and then with the belief that only God can make them excel in their academics endeavour( of course it's God). But it is paramount to know that you have to pay the sacrifice towards this accomplishment by reading profusely rather than devoting more of your time attending church programmes, then spending the remaining time on your academics.


A driver will not take safety precautions and when he's involved in a ghastly motor accident, we begin to say that it was the devil"s plan to take his life

I have come to realize that many people serve God but only a few of them really understand how it works. However, a chronic sinner with right priorities and analytical in thinking, is most likely to succeed than a religious zealous with wrong priorities and poor analytic thinking
I beg to differ, I believe the problem is more with our mentality than religion coz it's same religion here that obtains in the U.S, Europe n Asia yet it's not affected their thinking. we are the masters of our doom,religion after politics is the most lucrative business around n as generation become more n more lazy to pray n seek religious knowledge so does the industry grow.its unbeatable what ppl do to expand n keep religious business afloat, hence, mentality, sentiment drove n is still driving us to the background and not religion
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by bxcode(m): 2:43pm On Jan 03, 2016
kingsilly:
Haven't been to church for sometime now, months it is, went today and it seem I'm feeling disconnected with the doctrine of the church and the idea as a whole, I do listen to Christian podcast(Joel Osteen preferably)for those time I wasn't in church and still feel more fulfilled hearing the word unfiltered just by meself not influenced by anyone..
Will take another lengthy time before I step into church again, christianity to me is a state of mind, and such state can be achieved when you @ the confine of your home or anywhere.
Nigerians religion leaders has topsided it


@ oliviaarims Wat say you.
Permit me to say that your points are quite valid in the sense that most churches today are just mere gatherings and performance of weekly religious rituals without Jesus as the focus of worship as it is meant to be. People go to church today just to fulfill all righteousness and get God of their back for the rest of the week. They pay tithe and settle God for the month and return to their bribery and corruption. In summary, there's a whole lot of people that needs to hear the gospel truth and a whole number of them are in churches today.
But bro, distancing yourself from the gathering of brethren for a long time can backfire, remember the wiles of the enemy and how deceptive he can be. There are still some good churches today because it's not possible for the body of Christ to be prevailed completely by the gates of hell. All you need do is to pray that the holy spirit will lead you to that church that will uplift you whenever you come around and will leave you feeling awesome after each service without perversion of the gospel truth.
I will be praying for you. Remain Blessed.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Samhetalks(m): 2:44pm On Jan 03, 2016
The man is obviously an aethist. See d countries dat av pushed religion aside n see d pathetic n empty lives their citizens r living. If nt 4 religion, immorality wld av completely demolished Nigeria.
#not-a-fan-of-religious-extremist -shaaaaa#
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jan 03, 2016
dearpreye:
The more you use your mind, the less you need of religion.
My sentiments as well, God has given us the most important blessing of all....a brain!
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jan 03, 2016
dominique:
He does have a point. We're too over-religious in this country yet so many atrocities are being committed all accross the regions.
In my street, about 6 churches...

Church streets everywhere..
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