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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by 1miccza: 4:15pm On Jan 13, 2016
islandmoon:
we dont care, how ever they get the money looted through whatever means, whatever name! jail them and make them vomit it by fire by force!! we need it , it belong to the public! how can 4 chief of army staff have 1billion in their account?

Bros who will do the jailing when everyone of them are guilty?Read the write up now

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 4:16pm On Jan 13, 2016
Goke7:


since the panel has not concluded their report, then why are you in a hurry to justify those that have been alleged to have committed offences against the state, you guys keep shouting propaganda to see if all the truth will come out of the investigations.

You are the one spewing sentiments to justify even those that are already confessing to have collected money that is not theirs in any form and from the way you are talking about the 9.3million dollars seized by SA, its obvious you are just bitter against the person of PMB just because your beloved GEJ was booted out. God will grant us grace to continue to bear and endure all your wailing against the Govt.

You started well in your opening analysis trying to be objective but you gave yourself away when you started bashing PMB and his Govt, if you have condemned some of the actions by dasuki and co, you would have been balanced but your unnecessary bias and support for stealing of Govt funds will make nobody believe your conspiracy theory chikena

Please educate yourself. A man is innocent until proven guilty! Please repeat that 7 times so it sinks into your head. That is one of the tenets of democracy and justice. So I dont need to justify him. He is justified in the eyes of the law until proven guilty. I will bash GMB and his government because they are failing as far as justice is concerned. They are breaking the laws they have sworn to uphold.

This your post is just sentiments. Please argue on facts

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by AniwetaluEmma(m): 4:16pm On Jan 13, 2016
Gbese for them ooo
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by sammhi(m): 4:16pm On Jan 13, 2016
it is obvious... the OP is on point...
but it is holding waters because that is what Nigerians want to hear....Nigerians are happy when they hear such news as if it will better their life ....
we de watch sha

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by 1miccza: 4:17pm On Jan 13, 2016
Goke7:


since the panel has not concluded their report, then why are you in a hurry to justify those that have been alleged to have committed offences against the state, you guys keep shouting propaganda to see if all the truth will come out of the investigations.

You are the one spewing sentiments to justify even those that are already confessing to have collected money that is not theirs in any form and from the way you are talking about the 9.3million dollars seized by SA, its obvious you are just bitter against the person of PMB just because your beloved GEJ was booted out. God will grant us grace to continue to bear and endure all your wailing against the Govt.

You started well in your opening analysis trying to be objective but you gave yourself away when you started bashing PMB and his Govt, if you have condemned some of the actions by dasuki and co, you would have been balanced but your unnecessary bias and support for stealing of Govt funds will make nobody believe your conspiracy theory chikena


Did you take time to read through??

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 4:17pm On Jan 13, 2016
snailspeed:


You have said nothing new. You just repeated the same stale lines. Dasuki's lawyer has already refuted all the claims from the links you posted as trash. He has said he will tell his story in court. His lawyer said clearly that he didnt mention any names so your link is part of the propaganda I am talking about, you hear?
Novermber 18, 2015....
"Embattled Former National Security Adviser (NSA) Sambo Dasuki has said all contracts on arms purchase and payments where done with the approval of former President Goodluck Jonathan..."
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html

Sambo released a statement himself and you are talking bumkum..

Dedember 14, 2015... Sambo Speaking
"I also noted the statement of Sagir Bafarawa whose company is Dalhatu Investment which he stated that he received the sum of N4,633,000,000 from the account of the Office of the NSA. I authorised the payment . The money was for vehicles, motorcycles for youth empowerment and women sent to Saudi Arabia. I got the proposal from the President. I do not have the proposal; it should be at the office in the Villa "
https://www.today.ng/news/national/51484/arms-deal-ex-nsa-dasuki-indicts-jonathan-says-he-acted-on-his-instruction

The so-called names confirmed receipt of money, and you say he didn't mention names? Perhaps it was his ancestors that released those statements.

Metuh did not admit receiving money from arms deal. Metuh said he was giving an assignment. How does that imply he admitted he shared arm deal money of $2.2B? You see how you guys have been spinning your falsehood and propaganda? GEJ has said clearly that there was no $2.2B arms deal signed anywhere. So your propaganda is what it is; propaganda!
Metuh confirmed receiving N400m from ONSA for special assignment, EFCC said the N400m was meant for arms purchase. And you are here arguing bumkum?



Abeg I don tire for you...shiiiiiift

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by ibietela2(m): 4:17pm On Jan 13, 2016
rolchi:


Thank You Sir. Please, note that I have earlier advised the OP that we must wait for court processes to run through as I am an addicted 'democrat'. Thanks to the Ex President GEJ, who demonstrated how a democrat should be.

Now, to my question

1. Do we have any evidence to show that Dasuki said anything as you have outlined? Is it possible that his statement to the EFCC is in public domain?

2. If 2.1B USD is actually "missing" or "misapplied" and this amount is totaly for the purchase of arms, how come the EFCC has only brought charges for less than 200M USD?

Thanks

2. Maybe Dasuki is with the rest......... Lol
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by sweetgala(m): 4:17pm On Jan 13, 2016
ddippset:
Op, dasuki has admitted to distributing hundreds of millions of naira to hundreds of people. Some of those people have admitted receiving money from dasuki and have mentioned how much they received. Now op has said that these monies were taken from the security votes and not from any budgetry provison for arms supply! I also submit that it is not a norm to probe security votes. But somehow someway what they did with the security monies has come to light, and this is in the midst of boko haram ravaging the north east and soldiers getting killed and refusing to engage boko haram on account of obsolete weaponry. Op, how do you sleep at night knowing all these facts?

It doesn't matter where the money came from, the fact remains that monies approved for government procurement of military hardware, security and national defence was disbursed for private party (PDP) activity.

The crime still remains, unless it can be proven that the said monies was provided to the ONSA by PDP from it's private purse.

Dasuki broke the law and no matter how the OP tries to dress this pig it would still be a big fat smelly PIG

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 4:17pm On Jan 13, 2016
Ioannes:
a thief who has been caught red-handed is mentioning his fellow yam-eaters and some hair-brained fellows here are asking us not to believe.

I think the harsh weather of the harmattan is really affecting the OP and his bandwagon.

Nobody has been caught red handed and nobody has been mentoning any yam eaters. Dasuki has said clearly he has not mentioned anybody. Your post is a good example of the propaganda war and media trial going on

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by OrlandoOwoh(m): 4:18pm On Jan 13, 2016
freeze001:
Come o! To all intents and purposes, Dokpesi is a business man. He rendered services and got paid for them. If u are a professional rendering services do u inquire into the source of ur professional fees? Did Dokpesi directly operate the accounts of the NSA?

Secondly, u keep saying of the total sum of $2.2billion being investigated, Dasuki cannot be charged for all. How so if the accusers are sure of their claims and figures? Dasuki was NSA and is allegedly responsible for the disbursement of this sum. Explain why he will not be charged for all...did d money not pass through him in its entirety for onward disbursement to those mentioned?

I ask now, what will be the charge against others? Receiving money without querying the source? Who does that? If Dasuki is not charged for all before its distribution to other persons then what will be the basis of charging others seeing as they weren't part of the office of the NSA and did not directly handle the money in question?




. . . and Bafarawa is also a businessman that specializes in arranging Islamic clerics to pray for politicians?

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by dvee2: 4:19pm On Jan 13, 2016
Some people can be so funny in defending the indefensible. Let us assume from your write up that the money was meant for security vote, what then is security vote meant for? Is security vote meant for sharing with political allies? When you include security votes in your budget, it implies the money should be use for any uprising including purchase of arms to quell insurgency and not for distribution among PDP.

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by 1miccza: 4:19pm On Jan 13, 2016
Op if you were a babe i'll give you 12 hugs and 13 kiSses right now. We would see the end of all of these lies and counter lies

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by kennosklint(m): 4:20pm On Jan 13, 2016
Goke7:


I will not condemn but rather asked if you or anyone close to you was a victim of the insurgency, will you ever come out with a piece like this? I think we should careful when we try to confuse our personal opinions or experience in discussing very sensitive national matters, GEJ is not that hated as you and your fellow admirers think but the way and and manner you guys confuse very sensitive national matters with how you will feel personally over issues requires some restraint.

You guys have forgotten that it was when PMB set up a panel to probe whether monies budgeted to spent on arms to fight insurgency was used judiciously that all the revelations we have been hearing emerged, we are talking serious matters here and you are trying to be technical by saying that they were security votes, if its security votes, how come falae, dokpesi, obaigbena that are not security contractors benefited from the funds.

Please for once be sympathetic to the plight of the victims of the insurgency and don't let your hatred for PMB and love for GEJ make you a human being without feelings to the down trodden. Thanks and God bless
you have no idea of what you are saying,so ur sins ar forgiven...

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by rolchi(m): 4:20pm On Jan 13, 2016
goodiz:
OP whether you're a man or woman just know that I love you... I will start following you on Friday with my main username when my ban (for Biafra) expires. God bless you.

I am following already!
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by ejiinii: 4:20pm On Jan 13, 2016
wetin this tonye dey write if its not propaganda let them take him to court

TonyeBarcanista:

Novermber 18, 2015....
"Embattled Former National Security Adviser (NSA) Sambo Dasuki has said all contracts on arms purchase and payments where done with the approval of former President Goodluck Jonathan..."
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html

Sambo released a statement himself and you are talking bumkum..

Dedember 14, 2015... Sambo Speaking
"I also noted the statement of Sagir Bafarawa whose company is Dalhatu Investment which he stated that he received the sum of N4,633,000,000 from the account of the Office of the NSA. I authorised the payment . The money was for vehicles, motorcycles for youth empowerment and women sent to Saudi Arabia. I got the proposal from the President. I do not have the proposal; it should be at the office in the Villa "
https://www.today.ng/news/national/51484/arms-deal-ex-nsa-dasuki-indicts-jonathan-says-he-acted-on-his-instruction

The so-called names confirmed receipt of money, and you say he didn't mention names? Perhaps it was his ancestors that released those statements.


Metuh confirmed receiving N400m from ONSA for special assignment, EFCC said the N400m was meant for arms purchase. And you are here arguing bumkum?



Abeg I don tire for you...shiiiiiift

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 4:21pm On Jan 13, 2016
sweetgala:


It doesn't matter where the money came from, the fact remains that monies approved for government procurement of military hardware, security and national defence was disbursed for private party (PDP) activity.

The crime still remains, unless it can be proven that the said monies was provided to the ONSA by PDP from it's private purse.

Dasuki broke the law and no matter how the OP tries to dress this pig it would still be a big fat smelly PIG

I will patiently keep educating you lot. The total money mentioned is allocation to his office. He has a right to disburse it. It isnt moey to buy arms as alledged by the EFCC and the media propaganda. So he has not committed any crime yet except it is proven that the items he disbursed them for were illegal. But you can hardly prove that if it comes under the security vote.

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by MICHEALADEX(m): 4:21pm On Jan 13, 2016
See another serious wailer either $2.1b or $300m u are talking rubbish

Let me ask you: aside from abacha loot $300m did the Senate not approve loan in the tune of $1b to fight insurgency? Idiotic expression of clouded mind. Oloriburuku aburo oloshi

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Nobody: 4:23pm On Jan 13, 2016
I detest pdp for their financial proclivities, ogboni domination, and most disgusting of all, poor propaganda machinery. APC has outsmarted pdp in propaganda dissemination and media manipulation. It is terribly appalling that the party has not been able to go toe to toe with the presidency, crafting and churning out facts to magnify several holes which are inherent in the Dasuki scandal.

Besides, barcanista is now apc and he should be expelled accordingly!

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 4:23pm On Jan 13, 2016
ejiinii:
wetin this tonye dey write if its not propaganda let them take him to court

He has already been taken to court. He has two pending cases in court grin

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by GeneralShepherd(m): 4:23pm On Jan 13, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:


See this is a serious issue, trust me Sambo won't have kept mute if indeed the figure was false. For instance, he said he can't be held accountable for what happened in March 2012 since he took over in July 2012(which is legitimate). All these unnecessary and distracting argument of $2.2billion would have made sense IF the people at the center had contested it. If I steal N1 and you say it is N3, I will not hesitate to say it is N1 not N3.

Let it be debated in court, is that too much to ask?

Why do you want to see Nigeria go back to the age of kangaroo justice and illegal detention?

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2016
dvee2:
Some people can be so funny in defending the indefensible. Let us assume from your write up that the money was meant for security vote, what then is security vote meant for? Is security vote meant for sharing with political allies? When you include security votes in your budget, it implies the money should be use for any uprising including purchase of arms to quell insurgency and not for distribution among PDP.

Please educate yourself. Security votes can be used for about anything from sinking of bore holes in a community to buying soap and food for some group of people to media publicity and sensitization. That is what the law allows. Leave out the sentiments

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by greatehis: 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2016
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=41934128]
No Sir! The $2.2 billion wasn't for "security vote" as you claim. It was an extra-budgetary amount that the FG set aside for arms purchase. It is different from the $1billion that the FG borrowed in 2014 for same purpose and other budgeted expenses.


The so-called $300million returned Abacha loot forms part of the $2.2 billion extra budgeted for arms purchase. They aren't for "Security vote". Even the authorisation by Jonathan said arms purchase. Sambo Dasuki didn't deny that. In fact, he said that Jonathan approved the $2.2billion for the purpose.


N/B: The arms purchase $2.2billion is different from the appropriated monies by the NASS. Allow the people invoved to defend themselves.





It isn't propaganda Sir! [/quote


All of the stiff you mentioned, were from EFCC OR DSS. We need to hear from horses mouth in court

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by ImpactWorld(m): 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2016
I can never be one of those who are easily fooled by the deceit of this government.

2.1 billion USD was never allocated or approved for arms purchase. This was exactly what GEJ said but some people who don't seem to think or who pretend not to do so for reasons best known to them, are accusing him of lying.

Think about this: Long before the elections, the media was awash with accusations of missing 50 billion/10 billion/20 billion USD first started by the emir. However, almost one year of PMB government, nothing has been said about it. Instead, the noise is about 'security vote' which presidents and governors usually spent according to their discretion.

Finally, let me clarify that I will never support corruption by any means. However, I would like all present and former governors of the AD, ACN, CPC and APC to tell Nigerians how they spent or are spending their monthly 'security votes'

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by princeade86(m): 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2016
ok. Next news pls.
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by ejiinii: 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2016
money for security votes can be used for anything dasuki can pay for the goverment to run advert on boko haram on radio and tv

TonyeBarcanista:

Now, the ONSA don't have tender board, this means no valid contract was awarded. For what purpose was Dokpesi paid? Which contract did he win? If Jonathan really gave "verbal" approval, then you can only charge Dasuki for conspiracy and accessory wrt Dokpesi but the person that authorised it and the recipient will be charged for the theft(or the recipient can be charged for money laundary). If Dokpesi claim that he won contract without tender board, it is also a crime because it is against the Public Procurement Act. Meanwhile, we will like to see the contract(if he so claim).

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 4:25pm On Jan 13, 2016
MICHEALADEX:
See another serious wailer either $2.1b or $300m u are talking rubbish

Let me ask you: aside from abacha loot $300m did the Senate not approve loan in the tune of $1b to fight insurgency? Idiotic expression of clouded mind. Oloriburuku aburo oloshi

Are you aware the loan was never sourced? This is why I say you lot have been overfed with propaganda!

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Nobody: 4:25pm On Jan 13, 2016
snailspeed:


Please leave that propaganda line. I wont fall for it. Nobody is a crook until a court says so. As soon as the court pronounces them as crooks, I will come back here and call them that, you can trust me on that. Until then, I will not call someone a crook because Buhari or the EFCC say they are. On a more general level, I can refer to Nigerian politicians as crooks because we all know that there is corruption in the system. But using that as an alibi to label anyone as corrupt so you can go after them or keep them shut is nothing but tyranical and anti democratic and I will never support that.



All I see In u is the anger of Nnamdi kanu's detention. This sense less article is just a smokescreen to cover the real reason for your online rants. I see a Ipo-Baboon in you

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by lonelydora: 4:25pm On Jan 13, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

No Sir! The $2.2 billion wasn't for "security vote" as you claim. It was an extra-budgetary amount that the FG set aside for arms purchase. It is different from the $1billion that the FG borrowed in 2014 for same purpose and other budgeted expenses.


The so-called $300million returned Abacha loot forms part of the $2.2 billion extra budgeted for arms purchase. They aren't for "Security vote". Even the authorisation by Jonathan said arms purchase. Sambo Dasuki didn't deny that. In fact, he said that Jonathan approved the $2.2billion for the purpose.


N/B: The arms purchase $2.2billion is different from the appropriated monies by the NASS. Allow the people invoved to defend themselves.


It isn't propaganda Sir!

Please don't mind him, allow him to rant. he thinks Nigerians are foo.ls

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by twibs: 4:26pm On Jan 13, 2016
cfame1:
I wish I can share this on my twiter timeline.......well articulated and and straight to the point..JJ omojuwa would not want to see this.
don't mind paid ugly idiot

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by mrmetoo1: 4:26pm On Jan 13, 2016
snailspeed:


Nobody has been caught red handed and nobody has been mentoning any yam eaters. Dasuki has said clearly he has not mentioned anybody. Your post is a good example of the propaganda war and media trial going on

Yes no one was caught red-handed but all of them have confessed to collect money and the amount from the ONSA, please what else do you want? A video showing them sneaking to CBN vault stealing money? Financial officers from the ONSA have confirmed going to the CBN to collect huge amount of $$$ on the instruction of the NSA, even documents were presented. A lot of laws were broken, even the money laundering act was broken by withdrawing such a huge amount of cash. This is the reason people keep asking for the CBN governor too to be invited for questioning.

http://therainbowonline.net/47m-withdrawn-cbn-delivered-dasuki-11-suitcases-director-finance/

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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Akainzo(m): 4:26pm On Jan 13, 2016
snailspeed:


There is no such money for arms deal. It isnt whether the money belongs to government or not. What they did was to calculate all the money that passed through the NSA's office for his tenure and come out to say it is money for arms. It was a well crafted lie (though not so well crafted for those who ask simple questions). The only money that was recommended for arms was the $300 million returned Abacha loot which NOI clearly explained. The rest are just lies and propaganda

What of the $1Bln Approved by the Senate for buying arms? Was that also part of the Security Vote of the NSA?

By the way, when did the NSA become the Head of an Executive arm that the office was now entitled to Security Votes?

You are just trying to be clever by half, nothing more.

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