₦airaland Forum

maestroferddi:
I am afraid you are trying to waste our time.

Instead of launching out in a long-winded attempt to proffer banalities as explanation, you should have done the needful.

May I state for the umpteenth time that sane societies are governed by rules of engagement.

The crux of the matter confronting us here is Buhari's refusal to obey the most basic of the putative rule.

Buhari swore to an oath to defend and uphold the constitution of the land. May I remind you that the rule of law and separation of powers form the grundnums/building blocks of constitutional democracy. Was Buhari elected to office to suspend the constitution and subjugate/usurp the judiciary?

What are you talking about? Should our national institutions revolve around Buhari or should we sustain strong institutions that would outlast subjective considerations?

Why would you desire that Nigerians should promote cult personalities and messianic complexes giving our chequered history?

I am upset...

porka:
A) open court Law
n.
A court in session, especially a court in public session in a courtroom, rather than being engaged in proceedings closed to the public, as in a judge's chambers.

open court
n
1. (Law) a court or trial to which members of the public are freely admitted

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open+court

B) Suspect in Abuja bombing pleads guilty

http://thenationonlineng.net/suspect-in-abuja-bombing-pleads-guilty/


There you have them, kid.

Some things are beyond your capacity.

When you come to a public forum, you stay quiet and learn.

Ahmeduana:
AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, I THOUGHT YOU ARE A REBEL FIGHTING A COURSE, I NEVER KNEW THAT YOU ARE JUST A PEN FOR HIRE, PROBABLY YOU ARE PLAYING THE DEVIL ADVOCATE JUST TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING.

TonyeBarcanista:
Thank you!

The $2.2 billion is the subtotal amount for extra-budgeted money for arms deal. So far, neither Dasuki nor the DFA ONSA has refuted the $2.2billion. They are the major players. Remember that the money didn't come in a whole block.

Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own. He will be only charged for whatever is connected to him and he's being charged in batches. Also remember that there are other players that will share in the prosecution. The bafarawas, Dokpesis, Haliru etc.

TonyeBarcanista:
Comprehension is indeed an issue here. Sambo Dasuki's office as NSA(ONSA) was given $2.2billion to purchase arms. The money was "diverted" to purpose other than arms purchase. The whole money didn't end up in Dasuki account alone, some other people participated. How can you then charge Dasuki for the whole $2.2billion? This is a straightforward thing. You can only charge Sambo for stealing whatever is traced to him, and perhaps as conspirator and accestory in what went to others.

Hence, this.....

""Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own.""

tukane:
The truth is that whatever information we are getting now is what the media is giving to us, which still also be lies concocted by the ruling party to make the above mentioned people look guilty. My question is why is the FG scared of charging those men to court? None of them have openly come to admit or refute any claim, so it's all propaganda. The government is playing with our heads.

forray:
Use to be a big admirer of your post on here, but recently am beginning to think somebody else over your moniker.

akinsbaba2015:
. You ended up making a fool of yourself, did you not see as Dasuki was arraigned in court on TV? What's secretive about that. Okay you want all the proceedings to be televised live? You are definitely an unserious human being. Did you not see in the electronic media several individuals who allegedly collected monies from the ONSA in court? If that's your idea of a secret court then please go and play with your mates on the streets or proceed to the JESTERS SECTION

porka:
You are still mastubating.

You didn't know there was anything like an OPEN COURT until now.

You haven't seen/heard of an accused pleading GUILTY to criminal charges until you were shown.

Yet you still want to continue in your confused state of mind.

Buhari should bring his charges and evidence of wrong doings against Dasuki and other in an open court, not the MEDIA.

So far, the charges preferred against Dasuki in an OPEN COURT did not mention what the MEDIA has been TRYING him for.

Dasuki has pleaded NOT GUILTY to the charges preferred against him so far.

Buhari had wanted to TRY Dasuki in SECRET for an alleged POSSESSION OF A PISTOL without permission.

Dasuki had rejected a SECRET TRIAL and preferred to be TRIED in an OPEN COURT.

Dasuki and others are innocent until proven guilty.

That's how civilized societies are run.

ASL33:
If the fund is under the control of DASUKI and it got misused then Dasuki should be charged for the misuse.

snailspeed:
You have said nothing new. You just repeated the same stale lines. Dasuki's lawyer has already refuted all the claims from the links you posted as trash. He has said he will tell his story in court. His lawyer said clearly that he didnt mention any names so your link is part of the propaganda I am talking about, you hear?

Metuh did not admit receiving money from arms deal. Metuh said he was giving an assignment. How does that imply he admitted he shared arm deal money of $2.2B? You see how you guys have been spinning your falsehood and propaganda? GEJ has said clearly that there was no $2.2B arms deal signed anywhere. So your propaganda is what it is; propaganda!

TonyeBarcanista:
Novermber 18, 2015....
"Embattled Former National Security Adviser (NSA) Sambo Dasuki has said all contracts on arms purchase and payments where done with the approval of former President Goodluck Jonathan..."
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html

Sambo released a statement himself and you are talking bumkum..

Dedember 14, 2015... Sambo Speaking
"I also noted the statement of Sagir Bafarawa whose company is Dalhatu Investment which he stated that he received the sum of N4,633,000,000 from the account of the Office of the NSA. I authorised the payment . The money was for vehicles, motorcycles for youth empowerment and women sent to Saudi Arabia. I got the proposal from the President. I do not have the proposal; it should be at the office in the Villa "
https://www.today.ng/news/national/51484/arms-deal-ex-nsa-dasuki-indicts-jonathan-says-he-acted-on-his-instruction

The so-called names confirmed receipt of money, and you say he didn't mention names? Perhaps it was his ancestors that released those statements.


Metuh confirmed receiving N400m from ONSA for special assignment, EFCC said the N400m was meant for arms purchase. And you are here arguing bumkum?



Abeg I don tire for you...shiiiiiift

ejiinii:
You have said it all this tonyebarcanista was very smart in his analysis but he has lost it since when he joins apc

If the case against dasuki is not propaganda why detain them

snailspeed:
Nigerians will not condemn me. The APC zombies and paid hacks on NL are not a representation of Nigerians. They are just rice eaten sycophants trying to survive.

snailspeed:
I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight

For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?

$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.

But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.

If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?

It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.

The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet!

rhymz:
Your arguments are beginning to get repetitive and very pedestrian, let's argue with facts here, I just read the link you just posted apparently the link just confirmed what what the OP is saying, Dasuki never agreed to the amount the FG is peddling, instead he is arguing his innocence and pointing out the fact that they are concocting all manner of allegations and hopping it on him...... The man wants to have his day in court and the FG are frustrating that with propaganda and deliberate disobedience of court orders.

Put your arguments in perspective, even the EFCC while they are busy leaking out false information and stories to the likes of Sahara reporters, are only charging Dasuki for 13 billion Naira misappropriation which Dasuki is very ready to argue his case in court, he has continued to maintain that he is innocent until the Buhari government can prove otherwise, he us actually innocent.

And lastly, I am very much in contact with Metuh's people, any report that claims that he, Metuh had actually agreed to being a recipient of 400million Naira from Dasuki is a flat out lie, one of those kindergarten weakileak nonsense from Sahara reporters. We have heard all manner of preposterous stories about how Metuh chewed the piece of paper he was alleged to have written a statement on after realizing the enormity of his statement. Metuh is a lawyer and knows exactly the implications of agreeing or not agreeing to signing on any statements, he is not an illiterate or ignorant of the law to the point he would make rash decisions while in detention.

Any statement that is not coming out from Metuh's lawyers is a flat out lie. Here is what we know and this is from a reliable source, Metuh went on hunger strike for his rights to be enforced while in detention, Metuh is being denied access even by his lawyers and the EFCC are trying to wear him down psychologically to make a statement which he had refused to do until they charge him to court. Enough of this mafioso style of fighting corruption with force and propaganda, if the FG is convinced they have a case against anybody charge them to court and not fraudulently hustle a corrupt magistrate to rubber stamp an order to keep and abuse the right of a suspect.

joseph1832:
As usual, you never fail to disappoint me my good man.

With all this alleged Dasuki screaming that he is innocent, can you tell me what on earth happened to the 2.1billion dollars borrowed to buy arms and ammunition?

snailspeed:
I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight

For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?

$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.

But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.

If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?

It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.

The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet!

akinsbaba2015:
. Enjoy your delusion brother. I have schooled you and that's all that matters. If the media has pronounced them guilty. Have they stopped wailing wailers like you from having a contrary opinion? So, you want to stop the public outrage at such mindless looting with inconsequential facts. Please go and play with your mates on the streets and remain there. I won't allow you to masturbate your soft landing mumbo jumbo on me.

snailspeed:
I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight

For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?

$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because
weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.

But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.

If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?

It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.

The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet!

tomakint:
Point of correction my brother, they have been returning Abacha's loot since the time of Abdulsalam......trust me that era with Gowon's era were the most wasteful in the history of this Country.

snailspeed:
There was no $2.1B borrowed to buy arms? Cant you get that already? It is propaganda

TonyeBarcanista:
Novermber 18, 2015....
"Embattled Former National Security Adviser (NSA) Sambo Dasuki has said all contracts on arms purchase and payments where done with the approval of former President Goodluck Jonathan..."
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html

Sambo released a statement himself and you are talking bumkum..

Dedember 14, 2015... Sambo Speaking
"I also noted the statement of Sagir Bafarawa whose company is Dalhatu Investment which he stated that he received the sum of N4,633,000,000 from the account of the Office of the NSA. I authorised the payment . The money was for vehicles, motorcycles for youth empowerment and women sent to Saudi Arabia. I got the proposal from the President. I do not have the proposal; it should be at the office in the Villa "
https://www.today.ng/news/national/51484/arms-deal-ex-nsa-dasuki-indicts-jonathan-says-he-acted-on-his-instruction

The so-called names confirmed receipt of money, and you say he didn't mention names? Perhaps it was his ancestors that released those statements.


Metuh confirmed receiving N400m from ONSA for special assignment, EFCC said the N400m was meant for arms purchase. And you are here arguing bumkum?



Abeg I don tire for you...shiiiiiift

Nnannapat:
FG initially wanted a secret trial because of the names involved and the shame it will bring to them, Dasuki said he wanted an open trial and his wish was granted.

denko:
we know the truth. let buhari fooled himself

TonyeBarcanista:
No Sir! The $2.2 billion wasn't for "security vote" as you claim. It was an extra-budgetary amount that the FG set aside for arms purchase. It is different from the $1billion that the FG borrowed in 2014 for same purpose and other budgeted expenses.


The so-called $300million returned Abacha loot forms part of the $2.2 billion extra budgeted for arms purchase. They aren't for "Security vote". Even the authorisation by Jonathan said arms purchase. Sambo Dasuki didn't deny that. In fact, he said that Jonathan approved the $2.2billion for the purpose.


N/B: The arms purchase $2.2billion is different from the appropriated monies by the NASS. Allow the people invoved to defend themselves.


It isn't propaganda Sir!

joseph1832:
Like I said, how did you come about this? How did you know this? Are you a part of the former administration? Do you know something the Buhari lead government doesn't? Are you on face to face communication with Dasuki to know and ascertain that there was no 2 billion dollars?

Please kindly elucidate on this. Thank you.

Just so you know, you accused the Buhari lead government of propaganda, I'll have you know that the same propaganda you so righteously accused the Buhari lead government of is what you're doing with this thread of yours.

I await your response.

snailspeed:
I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight

For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?

$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.

But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.

If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?

It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.

The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet!