patches689:


- read our mission objectives, zumas statements mean nothing

- is he alive and free? Yes or no

- you think Charls Tailor is the leader of a democratic state?

- all they said is they broke through the defence... nothing about time or casualties. Fact

- ask 400 dead seleka about the SANDF. If you attack an ememy with over 3000 men, amd he stops you dead for 13 hours, kills 400 of your men and you have to sign a cease fire... how does that make your enemy incompetant?

- Americans had the exact same situation, are they incompetant, poorly lead, poorly resourced and lacking in motivation?


if this is an indication of the SANDF being useless... what then is 46 captured towns and cities, 1.6 million homeless and 30 000 dead?

- Irrelevant, Zuma disputes it, Your parliamentarians also dispute it

- you protected nobody

- Charles Taylor was the leader of liberia, he contested in an election and won

- meaning they brushed you aside

- No evidence 400 Seleka members were killed, Seleka confirms no such ceasefire. You took a beating, abandoned your equipments and fled. Thanks to the French and FOMAC the CAR only recently held a peaceful election. SANDF disappeared


- I really don't care about America. Fact remains, only South-Africans are deluded enough to believe the lies told by South-African journalists.

Henry240:


- You probably need to send that link to your lawmakers, as they seem to believe SANDF troops were in the CAR to protect business interests.

Even your President Zuma, who signed of say's differently.


- what does protect mean? Is the Republic of South Africa trying to redefine the term protect?"

He was given an ultimatum, and he fled = Protect!

- You were prepared to respond on Paper.... Cool story bro.

Nigeria responded in reality

Kenya responded in reality

Egypt responded in Libya in reality

South-Africa responded on paper

Utter hopelessness of what is supposed to be a defence force.

Doesn't matter what some people think the SANDF was there for, according to the Government, which believe it or not Zuma is part of confirmed that we were only there to protect Bozize, which we did because he's still alive. And train a few hundred men,which we did.

jln115:

Doesn't matter what some people think the SANDF was there for, according to the Government, which believe it or not Zuma is part of confirmed that we were only there to protect Bozize, which we did because he's still alive. And train a few hundred men,which we did.

- Your government(senate) doesn't believe the document

- Your President makes a contrary statement to what the document outlines.

Yet you want me to take your word for it.... HOW?

Patchesagain:


Ok, 3000 men pushed back 200.

Thats not "fleeing"

This, however is "fleeing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY

Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,, they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in the same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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Henry240:


You are wasting your own time.


You posted south-african stories no one can verify.

They are posting made in South Africa propaganda, they cannot even make up their minds how many Seleka they killied...so many different figures from different sources.....200, 300, 400, 1000, 2,000....tha is how you detect falsehood and propaganda lies....conflicting and inconsistent casualty figures of one single and same battle !

Soweto liars and fraudsters !!!
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Henry240:


- Your government(senate) doesn't believe the document

- Your President makes a contrary statement to what the document outlines.

Yet you want me to take your word for it.... HOW?

1. Citation that our government doesn't believe their own document.
2. Citation on the so called claims made by Zuma.

jln115:

Why should I Google it when I have an official SA Government source, confirming our objectives in CAR?? http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/2011pq/pq78.html

And? So they gave Bozize an ultimatum not us, we protected him, mission accomplished.
We were also ready to invade CAR with Gripen,Helos and 2000 men within hours after the attack, no other SS country has rapid force projection capability even near that!!
And the reason we didn't invade WSS due to the AUs recommendations.

And there are countless sources that Seleka surrendered.

lastly read Helmoed Heitman's book!!

Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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agaugust:


They are posting made in South Africa propaganda, they cannot even make up their minds how many Seleka they killied...so many different figures from different sources.....200, 300, 400, 2000, 4000....tha is how you detect falsehood and propaganda lies....conflicting and inconsistent casualty figures of one single and same battle !

Soweto liars and fraudsters !!!
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If you want the exact details, read Helmoed Heitman's Battle in Bangui.

agaugust:


They are posting made in South Africa propaganda, they cannot even make up their minds how many Seleka they killied...so many different figures from different sources.....200, 300, 400, 2000, 4000....tha is how you detect falsehood and propaganda lies....conflicting and inconsistent casualty figures of one single and same battle !

Soweto liars and fraudsters !!!
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LOL....... That's the most amusing part. Inconsistency in their figures. Even in this thread, Patrick says 400, while Jln115 goes for double or nothing 800. I remember Andrewza did say up to 1500.


The lies are just ridiculous.

jln115:

If you want the exact details, read Helmoed Heitman's Battle in Bangui.

Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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jln115:
1. Citation that our government doesn't believe their own document. 2. Citation on the so called claims made by Zuma.

Zuma and your parliamentarians.

agaugust:



Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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Petty fraudsters!!

agaugust:


Helmod Heitman was NOT on the battlefield in Bangui, he was about 4,000 km away in his bedroom inside South Africa. His book is merely a rehesrsal of SANDF propagands version of the battle of Bangui.l loaded with lies and lies and fraud
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Neither BBC or Reuters were in Bangui.

Heitman is a very well respected military analyst with numerous published books and articles.

He is also a Jane's Defence corresponded, thus spreading false misinformation will kill his career .

Henry240:


Zuma and your parliamentarians.

Citation.

Henry240:


LOL....... That's the most amusing part. Inconsistency in their figures. Even in this thread, Patrick says 400, while Jln115 goes for double or nothing 800. I remember Andrewza did say up to 1500.


The lies are just ridiculous.

Go read Battle in Bangui, NGOs estimated it to be around 800 possibility over a thousand if one considers that some wounded Seleka could've died of their wounds later on.

agaugust:


Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,,they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in the same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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Uhh....yes they do!! Did you even watch the Vice documentary?? Or is that Boko Harm propaganda too?

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jln115:


Since when is a witness a Journalist?? Also you have yet to prove that BBC Journalist were in CAR

South African news sources confirm Reuters news agency was on ground in Bangui during the battle.

Also, SANDF is confirmed to have run away by South African news reports from your own country !!!

SA soldiers in CAR retreat to barracks, want out
news24 South Africa.
2013-03-24


"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports.

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.

Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.

Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city. "

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324



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jln115:

Go read Battle in Bangui, NGOs estimated it to be around 800 possibility over a thousand if one considers that some wounded Seleka could've died of their wounds later on.

Let's make it 3000.

agaugust:
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South African news sources confirm Reuters news agency was on ground in Bangui during the battle.

Also, SANDF is confirmed to have run away by South African news reports from your own country !!!

"SA soldiers in CAR retreat to barracks, want out
2013-03-24


"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports.

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.

Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.

Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city. "

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324

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It's says "Reuters reports" nowhere does it say Reuters Journalist were in Bangui. It also says a Reuters wittness NOT a Reuters journalist.

Learn to read!!

Henry240:


Let's make it 3000.

What ever floats your boat bro!!

[size=15]South Africa did not go to fight anyone in CAR and were not on offensive mission. If we initially had intention to fight rebels we would have as well deployed heavy weapons, gunships and fighters. So it is clear that our intention was to train CAR troops and not to fight anyone. We were attacked and we defended ourselves and we were victorious in that. We forced the assailant to throw in the towel and raise the flag. Confirmed by many sources.[/size]

jln115:


It's says "Reuters reports" nowhere does it say Reuters Journalist were in Bangui. It also says a Reuters wittness NOT a Reuters journalist.

Learn to read!!

Learn to admit the truth !!!

REUTERS Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:56pm EST
France vows immediate action in Central African Republic after battle

BANGUI | BY EMMANUEL BRAUN AND PAUL-MARIN NGOUPANA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Reuters journalists were on ground inside Bangui reporting the battle, they were in Bangui even before the battle started and they report the battle from the very city of Bangui, from the battlefields, even taking photos !!!



Photographer STAFF
Thursday, December 05, 2013
Seleka soldiers raise their fists while riding in a pick-up truck during fighting in Bangui, Central African Republic, December 5, 2013. REUTERS/Emmanuel Braun

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131205&t=2&i=817805818&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=CBRE9B4130300

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

agaugust:


Learn to admit the truth !!!

REUTERS Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:56pm EST
France vows immediate action in Central African Republic after battle

BANGUI | BY EMMANUEL BRAUN AND PAUL-MARIN NGOUPANA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Reuters journalists were on ground inside Bangui reporting the battle, they were in Bangui even before the battle started and they report the battle from the very city of Bangui, from the battlefields, even taking photos !!!



Photographer STAFF
Thursday, December 05, 2013
Seleka soldiers raise their fists while riding in a pick-up truck during fighting in Bangui, Central African Republic, December 5, 2013. REUTERS/Emmanuel Braun
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http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131205&t=2&i=817805818&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=CBRE9B4130300[/img]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Where does it say they were in Bangui? BTW those photos were taken in December 9 months after the battle.

agaugust:


[s]Learn to admit the truth !!!

REUTERS Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:56pm EST
France vows immediate action in Central African Republic after battle

BANGUI | BY EMMANUEL BRAUN AND PAUL-MARIN NGOUPANA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Reuters journalists were on ground inside Bangui reporting the battle, they were in Bangui even before the battle started and they report the battle from the very city of Bangui, from the battlefields, even taking photos !!!



Photographer STAFF
Thursday, December 05, 2013
Seleka soldiers raise their fists while riding in a pick-up truck during fighting in Bangui, Central African Republic, December 5, 2013. REUTERS/Emmanuel Braun

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131205&t=2&i=817805818&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=CBRE9B4130300

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

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Off it goes to my rubbish bin. The question is " were South Africa on the mission to fight?" BIG NOOOO. So why should it be judged along the lines of victory or defeat?

Is Nigeria on the mission to fight Boko Haram? Yes.

jln115:

Where does it say they were in Bangui? BTW those photos were taken in December 9 months after the battle.

White boy with Zulu brain = Dullard

Reuters journalists have been inside Bangui reporting every battle live and direct since before the SANDF defeat by Seleka....

"Residents flee Bangui as rebels pause for talks..

Paul-Marin Ngoupana. Reuters | December 28, 2012

BANGUI (Reuters)

- Residents of Central African Republic's riverside capital Bangui fled in overloaded cars and boats on Friday or stockpiled food and water as rebel forces paused at the city gates for ceasefire talks. An insurgency has swept across much of the poverty-stricken but resource-rich former French colony since December 10, posing the biggest threat yet to President Francois Bozize's nearly 10 years in power and threatening a humanitarian crisis."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui

PROVED FACT PROVED : Reuters journalists were there in Bangui, they saw SANDF elite paratroops and special forces running like springbok deer pursued by Seleka boys with AK-47 rifles riding motorcycles

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agaugust:


[s]White boy with Zulu brain = Dullard

Reuters journalists have been inside Bangui reporting every battle live and direct since before the SANDF defeat by Seleka....

"Residents flee Bangui as rebels pause for talks..

Paul-Marin Ngoupana. Reuters | December 28, 2012

BANGUI (Reuters)

- Residents of Central African Republic's riverside capital Bangui fled in overloaded cars and boats on Friday or stockpiled food and water as rebel forces paused at the city gates for ceasefire talks. An insurgency has swept across much of the poverty-stricken but resource-rich former French colony since December 10, posing the biggest threat yet to President Francois Bozize's nearly 10 years in power and threatening a humanitarian crisis."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui

PROVED FACT PROVED : Reuters journalists were there in Bangui, they saw SANDF elite paratroops and special forces running like springbok deer pursued by Seleka boys with AK-47 rifles riding motorcycles

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Off it goes to the bin

agaugust:


White boy with Zulu brain = Dullard

Reuters journalists have been inside Bangui reporting every battle live and direct since before the SANDF defeat by Seleka....

"Residents flee Bangui as rebels pause for talks..

Paul-Marin Ngoupana. Reuters | December 28, 2012

BANGUI (Reuters)

- Residents of Central African Republic's riverside capital Bangui fled in overloaded cars and boats on Friday or stockpiled food and water as rebel forces paused at the city gates for ceasefire talks. An insurgency has swept across much of the poverty-stricken but resource-rich former French colony since December 10, posing the biggest threat yet to President Francois Bozize's nearly 10 years in power and threatening a humanitarian crisis."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui

PROVED FACT PROVED : Reuters journalists were there in Bangui, they saw SANDF elite paratroops and special forces running like springbok deer pursued by Seleka boys with AK-47 rifles riding motorcycles

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Just because it says Bangui doesn't mean they were in Bangui its just means were the reports are coming from, our newsoutlets say the same thing.

Secondly Look at the date of your article retaard!!

[size=15]If you can't differentiate between March 2013 and December 2013, then you are a real ret.ard.[/size]

agaugust:


Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,, they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in the same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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Haven't you read how your troops have been complaining of inadequate equipment?

jln115:

Neither BBC or Reuters were in Bangui.

Heitman is a very well respected military analyst with numerous published books and articles.

He is also a Jane's Defence corresponded, thus spreading false misinformation will kill his career .

How does that change the fact that Helmod was NOT in Bangui to witnese the battle, and that his book is based according to him, on the SANDF official propaganda report of lies that your defeated soldiers fed his stomach with?

The book is a printed SANDF version of the battle. Simple
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jln115:

Go read Battle in Bangui, NGOs estimated it to be around 800 possibility over a thousand if one considers that some wounded Seleka could've died of their wounds later on.

Speculations of Seleka casualties is NOT fact, it is guess work and NOT valid.

jln115:

Just because it says Bangui doesn't mean they were in Bangui its just means were the reports are coming from, our newsoutlets say the same thing.

Secondly Look at the date of your article retaard!!

Stop lying, they were in Bangui and Reuters mentioned their journalists location as Bangui, they cannot be in Alaska snowland and be taking photos of Seleka rebels with the Reuters journalist name attached to the image as photo source/credit, Reuters also wrote on the photo..."PHOTOGRAPHER-STAFF, REUTERS".

You shameless liar from a fraudulent nation of born liars called South Africa.

My quoted news report is dated Dcember 2012, 12 weeks before the battle, Reuters journalists were already in Bangui. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui


My seocnd quote was December 2013, means the Reuters journalists were in Bangui before and after the battle .

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