izutex007:


Bro. I suggest u get more specific here. That the Parish u attend isnt 'spirit-filled' doesnt make other catholic parishses the same.


Moreover have u heared of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal of Nigeria(CCRN)...also called *Charismatics... in the catholic church? Or is ur parish not having one?

**i suggest u join them.

A sunday mass in my place(when i was at Niger state).... Used to be like a prayer meeting!!! When I came down to Ibadan...same cannot be said of my current parish.

Does that mean that all catholic church parishes are the same...NO they are not. Yet...the power at work in me has not for once left me!!!.

You have missed his point. He is addressing word ministrations not just prayer. And I can relate with his ordeal having been in similar situation.

Themandator:



You have missed his point. He is addressing word ministrations not just prayer. And I can relate with his ordeal having been in similar situation.

is there any sound prayer meeting witout a word ministration?

Larryfly:
Thats what catholic does to me. Its as if I m not even committing enough sin sef. The worst is I cant even change church, it ll break my mother's heart.

Catholic church is One Church that reminds u of the need to be holy and at Peace with God. If you are a good Catholic who understands what the Eucharist is all about, u would know that u can't receive the holy Communion if u have committed a sin (especially a mortal sin) without going for confessions. This alone should make you uncomfortable in ur sin, especially when others go to receive the holy communion and u'r seated all through as a communicant. Not that anyone would care why u'r seating, but in your heart u wld know it's because u are not "in a state of Grace". In fact, pple leave the Catholic Church because they preach holiness most of the time and most people, especially the youths, do not want to hear all that because they consider it boring . So they go to churches where they preach what they want to hear, and at the same time do not emphasize on holiness, confessions, and penance.

izutex007:


Bro. I suggest u get more specific here. That the Parish u attend isnt 'spirit-filled' doesnt make other catholic parishses the same.


Moreover have u heared of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal of Nigeria(CCRN)...also called *Charismatics... in the catholic church? Or is ur parish not having one?

**i suggest u join them.

A sunday mass in my place(when i was at Niger state).... Used to be like a prayer meeting!!! When I came down to Ibadan...same cannot be said of my current parish.

Does that mean that all catholic church parishes are the same...NO they are not. Yet...wer at work in me has not for once left me!!!.

Extra activities outside the main church program is a proof of lack of fulfillment in the church.... As a Catholic back in Warri Fr Ozele used to fill the void with his spring of love, programs

Because of lack feel spiritual depth, many Catholics have become part time 'pentecostals' church members and frequent visitors to prayer houses

Thelma110:


Catholic church is One Church that reminds u of the need to be holy and at Peace with God. If you are a good Catholic who understands what the Eucharist is all about, u would know that u can't receive the holy Communion if u have committed a sin (especially a mortal sin) without going for confessions. This alone should make you uncomfortable in ur sin, especially when others go to receive the holy communion and u'r seated all through as a communicant. Not that anyone would care why u'r seating, but in your heart u wld know it's because u are not "in a state of Grace". In fact, pple leave the Catholic Church because they preach holiness most of the time and most people, especially the youths, do not want to hear all that because they consider it boring . So they go to churches where they preach what they want to hear, and at the same time do not emphasize on holiness, confessions, and penance.

You are not correct. BTW, how often do you partake of the blood during communion?

izutex007:


is there any sound prayer meeting witout a word ministration?

No. But the depth of the ministration is equal to the effectiveness of the prayer....

ekenetheorg:
The obligation to go to confession scares many from Catholic church, hence they go where they are comfortable with committing sin and praying in their minds.

It's not bad to confess to God in prayers, but the problem is that you will still commit the sin again and since the solution is simple - confess to God in prayers, you will have no issues.

But the fear and shame of talking to a Reverend Father who has a vow never to disclose your sin to anyone will make you stop committing more sins.

So to all Catholic haters, It's not about what you think is right, you are where you are because you seek comfort.

It is more than you are willing to accept. It isabout knowing that it is dangerous to remain at the level of #ChildofGod. Until I left the Catholic Church I never knew there was a huge difference between child and sons of God.
I am now conscious of it

Larryfly:


Yea... I v listened to some nice priests like Fr. Dibie. Buh then the parish priests are just vague abt the Word. You leave every sunday feeling empty. CBIU is a strong group. I ll study abt them a lil. Same with charismatics. But why cant I get this spirituality from the church, why church groups?

I stopped attending church for almost a year that my parents had a chat with me and I told them the church wasn't imparting me.

Larryfly:
Thats what catholic does to me. Its as if I m not even committing enough sin sef. The worst is I cant even change church, it ll break my mother's heart.

I was once in ur shoes but thank God for today, I'm now a new man.

Larryfly:


Nope, you still dont get it. You think God will judge us just based on what we do to and for our brothers.. Where is faith? Without faith it is impossible to please God. Even if you feed and clothe the whole human race. Do you practice your faith? And faith comes from hearing the Word . So you are saying God wont be concerned abt how much of His Word I know, How then do I get faith if I dont study His word. Holy communion and confession are just rituals. No amount of Holy communion or confession or good deeds would build me up if I dont study the Word. The practice in catholic today is that we go for confession on saturday, receive communion on sunday and back to our lives on monday. That aint right. Christianity is a lifestyle bro, its principles are contained solely in the bible.

Sorry but what you described as the catholic practice is alien to what I know as Catholicism. Perhaps you would know of our Sunday to Saturday masses, seven days of the week masses if u were truly conversant with your catholic activities which thus strikes out the rather erroneous notion that we are a two days church. We have youth fellowships at least once in a week in the various parishes were the word is shared, charismatic renewal, bible study classes etc these are avenues where you can get to study the bible. And Holy communion and confessions are not just rituals but are sacraments instituted by Christ himself; do this in memory of me and receive the holy spirit, whose sin u forgive they are forgiven and whose sin you retain they are retained. They are from Christ and point to him. My brother you seriously need to know more about your faith cos its as though u are yet to realize what you claim to practise

catholics o, new generation churches, all na wash. Jehovah's witnesses is da real deal. Simply overcome the misinformation about them and investigate. Remember u dont have to be a member to investigate.

iyke926:
Some churches will loss worshippers. Modern day churches preach about wealth...prosperity and thats what people want to hear.



Dude, are you going to Church because it's your family church?

Was born and raised a Catholic but as I grew older, I started asking myself and clergies questions...maybe it was because the Mass was getting boring, I couldn't believe some of the churches traditions...beliefs no more.

I had to explore, search for truth on your own. It was a scary journey...walking down the lonely unknown street..with no light just my mind as the guide. The truth seemed illusive cuz I got more confused with what I found. I had to take another route when I found a light... asked God to be my guide.

The journey is yours to take alone...if you still thinking about your moms feeling, then you ain't ready.

I guess you are not even a real Catholic because from what you wrote you are not a communicant and hence very prone to distractions. Catholic is the only church u can find a whole truth and salvation. Don't get confused

Catholics o, new generation churches, all na wash. Jehovah's witnesses is da real deal. Simply overcome the misinformation about them and investigate. Remember u dont have to be a member to investigate.

Themandator:


You are not correct. BTW, how often do you partake of the blood during communion?

U didn't give reasons why you think i'm not correct and your last question should make me ask you if u'r a Catholic cos i don't know what u mean by "Blood during communion".

Themandator:


It is more than you are willing to accept. It isabout knowing that it is dangerous to remain at the level of #ChildofGod. Until I left the Catholic Church I never knew there was a huge difference between child and sons of God.
I am now conscious of it

Lols....i think i'm begining to understand what this is abt.

charsola:


I guess you are not even a real Catholic because from what you wrote you are not a communicant and hence very prone to distractions. Catholic is the only church u can find a whole truth and salvation. Don't get confused

lol.. I started eating the white bread in '95. Only church you can find truth and salvation?? Nigga please.

Confusion can be a blessing when utilized well.

Themandator:



I stopped attending church for almost a year that my parents had a chat with me and I told them the church wasn't imparting me.

Larryfly:


Knowing Christ is not enough bro... Fr it is written that even the devil knows Christ and trembles. What is required of us is to build a perfect relationship with Him so that he ll walk with us in life. It is in this building of rship that we get confused of the path to follow. Though we all accept that its through Christ but men have created so many Principles on their own

How active where you as a catholic? Was it just a Sunday thing or did u delve deeper to understand more?

We all are born into homes where we find ourselves being in the same church as our parents...fact
But in growing up as a child, was your home the type where your parents sit you down and teach you more about the church, or did they welcome questions from you so they could explain more about the teaching for the day or an understanding of your faith.
I never had the luxury of all that as a child, so in my search for an understanding, I took to reading books on faith and spirituality...besydes the Bible
*don't mind me...i love books*

The church has an amazing library of books from different authors, and would rouse your curiosity to read more. I know the mass might seem too straightforward or routine, but it has a purpose; "our salvation", which I guess u might not have understood. I wish you took the time to understand every part of the mass in its detail.

The kind of life i used to live before was not helpful if i was to call myself a christian, not until I decided to challenge myself to do different. I became a part of the opus dei center "helmbridge", and also joined the lay readers, where I hold an active position, and also being a part of the youth fellowship in church where I am a part of the word group; learning from people and also delivering talks when called upon.

The thing is I don't know much as a christian, and I'm still eager to know more, and I'm forever thankful to the people I met so far in this life's journey...people i call my teachers and motivators...and as my principle in life, I look to the prayer of St. Francis of Asisi

One question that still puzzles me is where do we draw the line between faith and morality?...cz i do bliv an atheist with a good heart would seem better than a christian who disregards Christ in all he does

Themandator:


Extra activities outside the main church program is a proof of lack of fulfillment in the church.... As a Catholic back in Warri Fr Ozele used to fill the void with his spring of love, programs

Because of lack feel spiritual depth, many Catholics have become part time 'pentecostals' church members and frequent visitors to prayer houses

Dear....CCRN is a society within the church and not just an 'activity'.



You said Many catholics.... The last time i checked 'Many' is not equal to 'all'.
I will never coax any body to bcome/remain a catholic..I am a catholic by conviction. If you feel your conviction isnt satisfied, then who am I to convince you?

All I know is this: I know the Lord I serve in truth and in spirit. Thanks to the catholic church.

The same Jesus who died for the penticostals died for the catholics...same wit the miracles/prayer answered. No Church hold that as a 'monopoly'.


#Peace

Themandator:


No. But the depth of the ministration is equal to the effectiveness of the prayer....

Kk... had 'effective prayers'. Hope I dint miss his point as u earlier said?

izutex007:



Dear....CCRN is a society within the church and not just an 'activity'.



You said Many catholics.... The last time i checked 'Many' is not equal to 'all'.
I will never coax any body to bcome/remain a catholic..I am a catholic by conviction. If you feel your conviction isnt satisfied, then who am I to convince you?

All I know is this: I know the Lord I serve in truth and in spirit. Thanks to the catholic church.

The same Jesus who died for the penticostals died for the catholics...same wit the miracles/prayer answered. No Church hold that as a 'monopoly'.


#Peace

Why should the ministration that meets the needs of the people be at the society level and not the church? Christ did not rely on extras to impart... He changed destinies during his ministration

sirusX:





How active where you as a catholic? Was it just a Sunday thing or did u delve deeper to understand more?

We all are born into homes where we find ourselves being in the same church as our parents...fact
But in growing up as a child, was your home the type where your parents sit you down and teach you more about the church, or did they welcome questions from you so they could explain more about the teaching for the day or an understanding of your faith.
I never had the luxury of all that as a child, so in my search for an understanding, I took to reading books on faith and spirituality...besydes the Bible
*don't mind me...i love books*

The church has an amazing library of books from different authors, and would rouse your curiosity to read more. I know the mass might seem too straightforward or routine, but it has a purpose; "our salvation", which I guess u might not have understood. I wish you took the time to understand every part of the mass in its detail.

The kind of life i used to live before was not helpful if i was to call myself a christian, not until I decided to challenge myself to do different. I became a part of the opus dei center "helmbridge", and also joined the lay readers, where I hold an active position, and also being a part of the youth fellowship in church where I am a part of the word group; learning from people and also delivering talks when called upon.

The thing is I don't know much as a christian, and I'm still eager to know more, and I'm forever thankful to the people I met so far in this life's journey...people i call my teachers and motivators...and as my principle in life, I look to the prayer of St. Francis of Asisi

One question that still puzzles me is where do we draw the line between faith and morality?...cz i do bliv an atheist with a good heart would seem better than a christian who disregards Christ in all he does

You are still saying the same thing : without the after mass programs and society, it is difficult to find spiritual fulfilment, within the Catholic Church.

My summary : As a Catholic, majority are stock at the level of children of God.. And are perpetually under the elements of this world because the homilies rarely points you to sonship.

All the churches of today are like resorts, they make u very comfortable with fine seats, aircondition and even gifts for new members.

There's hardly any church that preaches salvation or rebukes sinners again.

Its all about properity, money and power.

Thelma110:


U didn't give reasons why you think i'm not correct and your last question should make me ask you if u'r a Catholic cos i don't know what u mean by "Blood during communion".

The communion is made up of the body and the blood....when you receive communion during mass do you partake of both

kaeforum:
All the churches of today are like resorts, they make u very comfortable with fine seats, aircondition and even gifts for new members.

There's hardly any church that preaches salvation or rebukes sinners again.

Its all about properity, money and power.

You have to limit yourself to the ones you have been to because I know that of the 12 Months in a year, winners devotes an entire month to the subject of sanctification... The church stands on 12 pillars and each month a particular one is emphasized.. This month's theme is 'prayer and fasting facilitates the fulfilment of prophecy' 1 Tim1v18

Thelma110:


Catholic church is One Church that reminds u of the need to be holy and at Peace with God. If you are a good Catholic who understands what the Eucharist is all about, u would know that u can't receive the holy Communion if u have committed a sin (especially a mortal sin) without going for confessions. This alone should make you uncomfortable in ur sin, especially when others go to receive the holy communion and u'r seated all through as a communicant. Not that anyone would care why u'r seating, but in your heart u wld know it's because u are not "in a state of Grace". In fact, pple leave the Catholic Church because they preach holiness most of the time and most people, especially the youths, do not want to hear all that because they consider it boring . So they go to churches where they preach what they want to hear, and at the same time do not emphasize on holiness, confessions, and penance.

Sin is sin... No classification. Every sin distances us from God. Receiving Christ has nothing to do with what others think about sitting down... You receive him with your heart and soul...

Proof of holiness is demonstration..... The kingdom of God is not in words but power.... If Holiness is taught and is received with the heart and practiced, signs and wonders will be the proof.... If you are holy, you hear directly from God because your spirit would be able to connect with him( God) .

Themandator:


You are still saying the same thing : without the after mass programs and society, it is difficult to find spiritual fulfilment, within the Catholic Church.

My summary : As a Catholic, majority are stock at the level of children of God.. And are perpetually under the elements of this world because the homilies rarely points you to sonship.

I guessed u dint get me or I dint explain well
I meant all those activities helped me get a better understanding of the church and the mass (sumthing I neglected)...helping me listen, meditate and find that spiritual fulfilment.

What you don't know....u have no understanding, so u say the things u say based on what you bliv. But who am I to judge. Based on what I know I could say some things about protestant churches of even the muslims, but I know that my views are sum1 from the outside looking in & it would be different from one who has been in that faith and taken the time to learn soo much

Larryfly:


Bro, I want to be a true Christian in catholic church. But the Word there is weak. I got more conscious of building a relationship with God when I visited another church, just the preaching for that day gave me a serious rethink. I came back to my catholic church and I wasnt feeling it. I really want to get close to God in catholic not just observing catholic rituals and doctrines. Christianity is way deeper than that.

it's because ur mind is almost made up against the Catholic Church. Secondly, what u want to hear in the Catholic Church is not said but things of the world like prosperity, mistaking magic as miracle and prasing God in an unholy way.
My advice is either u should leave the Catholic Church and go and look for the "light" then after some weeks ask ur self if u are comfortable with ur self. Or sit down and ask to ahead of you in faith to enlighten you in Catholic faith through God way.

erusen:
God is bringing u from darkness,download the pdf of foxes book of matyrs,read non catholics,catholism is a religion not a relationship with god,it is praticing the commandment of men.

differentiate between Catholic as a religion and been in relationship with God

Thelma110:

Catholic church is One Church that reminds u of the need to be holy and at Peace with God. If you are a good Catholic who understands what the Eucharist is all about, u would know that u can't receive the holy Communion if u have committed a sin (especially a mortal sin) without going for confessions. This alone should make you uncomfortable in ur sin, especially when others go to receive the holy communion and u'r seated all through as a communicant. Not that anyone would care why u'r seating, but in your heart u wld know it's because u are not "in a state of Grace". In fact, pple leave the Catholic Church because they preach holiness most of the time and most people, especially the youths, do not want to hear all that because they consider it boring . So they go to churches where they preach what they want to hear, and at the same time do not emphasize on holiness, confessions, and penance.

Apina:

Sorry but what you described as the catholic practice is alien to what I know as Catholicism. Perhaps you would know of our Sunday to Saturday masses, seven days of the week masses if u were truly conversant with your catholic activities which thus strikes out the rather erroneous notion that we are a two days church. We have youth fellowships at least once in a week in the various parishes were the word is shared, charismatic renewal, bible study classes etc these are avenues where you can get to study the bible. And Holy communion and confessions are not just rituals but are sacraments instituted by Christ himself; do this in memory of me and receive the holy spirit, whose sin u forgive they are forgiven and whose sin you retain they are retained. They are from Christ and point to him. My brother you seriously need to know more about your faith cos its as though u are yet to realize what you claim to practise

izutex007:


Bro. I suggest u get more specific here. That the Parish u attend isnt 'spirit-filled' doesnt make other catholic parishses the same.


Moreover have u heared of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal of Nigeria(CCRN)...also called *Charismatics... in the catholic church? Or is ur parish not having one?

**i suggest u join them.

A sunday mass in my place(when i was at Niger state).... Used to be like a prayer meeting!!! When I came down to Ibadan...same cannot be said of my current parish.

Does that mean that all catholic church parishes are the same...NO they are not. Yet...the power at work in me has not for once left me!!!.

sirusX:

How active where you as a catholic? Was it just a Sunday thing or did u delve deeper to understand more?
We all are born into homes where we find ourselves being in the same church as our parents...fact
But in growing up as a child, was your home the type where your parents sit you down and teach you more about the church, or did they welcome questions from you so they could explain more about the teaching for the day or an understanding of your faith.
I never had the luxury of all that as a child, so in my search for an understanding, I took to reading books on faith and spirituality...besydes the Bible
*don't mind me...i love books*
The church has an amazing library of books from different authors, and would rouse your curiosity to read more. I know the mass might seem too straightforward or routine, but it has a purpose; "our salvation", which I guess u might not have understood. I wish you took the time to understand every part of the mass in its detail.
The kind of life i used to live before was not helpful if i was to call myself a christian, not until I decided to challenge myself to do different. I became a part of the opus dei center "helmbridge", and also joined the lay readers, where I hold an active position, and also being a part of the youth fellowship in church where I am a part of the word group; learning from people and also delivering talks when called upon.
The thing is I don't know much as a christian, and I'm still eager to know more, and I'm forever thankful to the people I met so far in this life's journey...people i call my teachers and motivators...and as my principle in life, I look to the prayer of St. Francis of Asisi
One question that still puzzles me is where do we draw the line between faith and morality?...cz i do bliv an atheist with a good heart would seem better than a christian who disregards Christ in all he does

izutex007:


Bro. I suggest u get more specific here. That the Parish u attend isnt 'spirit-filled' doesnt make other catholic parishses the same.


Moreover have u heared of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal of Nigeria(CCRN)...also called *Charismatics... in the catholic church? Or is ur parish not having one?

**i suggest u join them.

A sunday mass in my place(when i was at Niger state).... Used to be like a prayer meeting!!! When I came down to Ibadan...same cannot be said of my current parish.

Does that mean that all catholic church parishes are the same...NO they are not. Yet...the power at work in me has not for once left me!!!.

Thanks for these. I ll give it another chance. I ll be more serious with catholic

Larryfly:


Yea... I v listened to some nice priests like Fr. Dibie. Buh then the parish priests are just vague abt the Word. You leave every sunday feeling empty. CBIU is a strong group. I ll study abt them a lil. Same with charismatics. But why cant I get this spirituality from the church, why church groups?

my bro want I want you to know is that Catholic will only build you to have a personal relationship with God. The relationship is contain in the first question of the cathism class. Which who made you? and we say God made us. Why did God made you? We say God made us to KNOW HIM, SERVE HIM IN THIS WORLD HAPPYAND TO BE HAPPY AFTER OUR LIFE. Now the church has made u to know that u must have an encounter with God to know him better, serve him and be happy. How do you know God? by studying ur Bible, attending religious meeting and attending mass. Note: just as Christ was not begging for follwership the same the church doesn't beg for members to stay cos we all are going to account for our sins.

iyke926:

lol.. I started eating the white bread in '95. Only church you can find truth and salvation?? Nigga please.

Confusion can be a blessing when utilized well.

Yes it is but when you not us utilize it. but don't forget that for you not seeing things in my own perception does not mean dat am wrong it could still mean that u are not getting it right. if you were a Catholic and did not practice what christ instituted himself then something is wrong somewhere. I may call u a heretic

Larryfly:



Thanks for these. I ll give it another chance. I ll be more serious with catholic

Brother if it is not panadol it is not the same thing as panadol, the direction goes like this :go to confession regularly, visit the blessed sacrament and pray your rosary daily.... You are right on the road to salvation, remember our altimate aim in this life is to make heaven and nothing unclean can enter heaven says the Bible, if you could follow those parts I mentioned to you then u r good to go.