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Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 7:40am On Jan 26, 2016 |
Papist: Relate this with biblical references. Without true understanding of His Word, how can you worship Him. I ll advise you to leave catholic materials a little and just study the bible. I was the best in my catechism. I could give you so many catholic links but I decided to look at the bible a little longer. Study the bible alone and pray about it then come and reply. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 7:45am On Jan 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: What did u think Christ did when he came on earth? You think Christianity is just hinged on rituals and doctrines. Goan read up what was said about justification by grace and not by law on Romans. Read bible!!!!!!! Not only red catechism book. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 10:40am On Jan 26, 2016 |
Papist: Until you have scriptural backings for all the above you are playing religion which my Bishop described as man's personal efforts to get it right with God. In winners there's no religion but pure Christianity... Blood sprinkling or passover blood to feet washing |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by chidexxy007(m): 10:46am On Jan 26, 2016 |
driy65:correct....haha ds is more like wat I wanted to hear.. oya continue, don't stop. show the world wat u are. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 10:49am On Jan 26, 2016 |
Thelma110: Jesus gave both and instructed that we do same, abi? |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 10:50am On Jan 26, 2016 |
Thelma110: Jesus gave both and instructed that we do same, abi or he merged them? The life of the flesh is in the blood. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by driy65(m): 2:07pm On Jan 26, 2016 |
chidexxy007:fixed |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by chidexxy007(m): 7:25pm On Jan 26, 2016 |
driy65:keep fixing other people's post while ur head is going nuts.. no go fix ur life.. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by tommysparks: 8:41pm On Jan 26, 2016 |
Themandator:what is religion and what is christianity, which is a subset of which? Don't confuse yourself in trying to justify a way of worshipping God. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Ubenedictus(m): 3:32am On Jan 27, 2016 |
Larryfly:justification by grace is a doctrine!!! so u don't know that? it is a strong point in catholic theology. i read my bible, romans is a favourite book for me, i enjoy it, justification is also a favorite topic, d catholic church has been teaching justification by grace 1500yrs before u guys came along i am suprised u are trying to bring it up as if it is new. justification by grace is a doctrine, that is how ritual in christianity have power, rm 6 show a good example of how grace affect ritual, "all who were baptised into christ were baptised into his death" that passage links d rituals of baptism to d death of Jesus i.e d source of grace. 1 Like |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Ubenedictus(m): 3:47am On Jan 27, 2016 |
Larryfly:'UNLESS U EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD U SHALL HAVE NO LIFE IN U' he wu eats my flesh and drink my blood same shall live by me. U still following? |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 9:06am On Jan 27, 2016 |
tommysparks: Until you have scriptural backings for..... Where God said 'do this now and forever' you are practicing religion.... Man made rituals that hopes to gain God's attention... If you exempt yourself from eating meat on a particular day and there is no bible support for your action you're only hoping that the action wins you divine favour. God is only committed to his word. He Instituted the blood of sprinkling.... ,Exo 12v 14 ‘So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance, feet washing, communion and preaching the gospel of salvation as a means of liberating the captives. Christianity is living and acting like Jesus Christ;religion is living and acting according to the precepts of men.... There's no set and subset as they are mutually exclusive |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jan 27, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:Thanks my brother. God bless you. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 27, 2016 |
Larryfly:Did brother Ubenedictus' response satisfy you? |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 27, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:Thanks my brother. God bless you. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jan 27, 2016 |
Themandator:If I may ask…who is your bishop? Has he been ordained in the succession of the Holy Apostles? If not then he is not a bishop, no offence. I will quote Tertullian here for you: "But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men— a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter" (ibid., 32). "But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory" (ibid.). |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 10:23pm On Jan 27, 2016 |
Papist: Another precept of men.... Until you have biblical support you're practicing the laws of men.... God tore the temple curtain therby giving access to all who seek. The scripture is the only guide for Christianity. The doctrine of the apostles are to be found in the acts of the Holy Spirit through them in Acts book of the Bible.... Any other is the doctrine of men... If it is not in the Bible it is not God and God is not committed to upholding such hence the gradual collapse of religion |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 11:04am On Jan 28, 2016 |
Themandator:The guide for Christianity according to the Bible is not the Bible but the Church. 1 Timothy 3:15: “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” 1 Like |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 2:39pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Papist: Start from the beginning. When in doubt, start from the beginning.... These things write I unto thee(what are the things?go to the beginning.... Qualifications for the position of a bishop, deacon) hoping to come unto thee shortly: but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave (chose leadership) yself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:14-15 KJVA.... If it is not in the Bible, it is either satanic or man made... Nature is against a vacuum BTW, this passage, from the beginning, is at variance with your submission on qualifications for the position of a bishop.... You quoted one extraneous source or rather authority. |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Nobody: 1:26pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Themandator:St Paul says to St Timothy: "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). And the early fathers of the church all agree with St Paul. Pope Clement I "Through countryside and city [the apostles] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier. . . . Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry" ( Letter to the Corinthians 42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]). Hegesippus "When I had come to Rome, I [visited] Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And after Anicetus [died], Soter succeeded, and after him Eleutherus. In each succession and in each city there is a continuance of that which is proclaimed by the law, the prophets, and the Lord" ( Memoirs , cited in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 4:22 [A.D. 180]). Irenaeus "It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about" ( Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]) . "But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (ibid., 3:3:2). "Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time" (ibid., 3:3:4). "Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth, so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. . . . For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant conversation, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question?" (ibid., 3:4:1). "[I]t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth" (ibid., 4:26:2). "The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere" (ibid., 4:33:. Tertullian "[The apostles] founded churches in every city, from which all the other churches, one after another, derived the tradition of the faith, and the seeds of doctrine, and are every day deriving them, that they may become churches. Indeed, it is on this account only that they will be able to deem themselves apostolic, as being the offspring of apostolic churches. Every sort of thing must necessarily revert to its original for its classification. Therefore the churches, although they are so many and so great, comprise but the one primitive Church, [founded] by the apostles, from which they all [spring]. In this way, all are primitive, and all are apostolic, while they are all proved to be one in unity" ( Demurrer Against the Heretics 20 [A.D. 200]). "[W]hat it was which Christ revealed to them [the apostles] can, as I must here likewise prescribe, properly be proved in no other way than by those very churches which the apostles founded in person, by declaring the gospel to them directly themselves . . . If then these things are so, it is in the same degree manifest that all doctrine which agrees with the apostolic churches—those molds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, [and] Christ from God. Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savors of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood" (ibid., 21). "But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men— a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter" (ibid., 32). "But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory" (ibid.). "Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic Church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith" (ibid.). Cyprian of Carthage "[T]he Church is one, and as she is one, cannot be both within and without. For if she is with [the heretic] Novatian, she was not with [Pope] Cornelius. But if she was with Cornelius, who succeeded the bishop [of Rome], Fabian, by lawful ordination, and whom, beside the honor of the priesthood the Lord glorified also with martyrdom, Novatian is not in the Church; nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, who, succeeding to no one, and despising the evangelical and apostolic tradition, sprang from himself. For he who has not been ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold to the Church in any way" ( Letters 69[75]:3 [A.D. 253]). |
Re: Are You Comfortable In Your Place Of Worship?Read this photo inside by Themandator: 8:32am On Feb 01, 2016 |
I earlier stated that when in doubt, it is always advised to go to the beginning. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus...... The grace is obtainable by knowing who he is and that is only possible through the word.. The BIBLE .....And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses....the things..... The teachings.... The proceedings.... The miracles..... , the same commit thou ......teach same.... Instruct same..... to faithful men.....faithful men..... Believers..... Any believer not just the aboriginal ones...., who shall be able....capacity or anointing for impartation...... to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:1-2 KJV 1 Tim 3 has already dealt with qualities of a Bishop and Deacons... So I assume you are defending your earlier statement that the church and not the bible is the only guide for Christianity. .....Everything written in the Bible is written for us as an example and guide ....Romans 15v4 The Acts of the Apostles are properly and sufficiently documented in the Bible... As a guide to all believers and your post made it clear that if it is not found in the original instructions if the apostles it is not part of it and the original instructions are in the Bible. Any thing outside ...practices like avoiding meat on a supposedly Good Friday,rubbing ash on our foreheads and bowing and praying before images or statues are not recorded as acts of the apostles and therefore religion Papist: |
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