South Africa has over 100 local defence companies and out of them not even ten have foreign ownership. Even foreign defence firms only bought stakes in those companies which existed long before such partnership could take place. FACT.

agaugust:


You have NOT produced jet fighter rocket pod, we have done it.

Case Closed, we do what you have not achieved.

That is easy, if South Africans can have interests in it they will produce it just in one day.

Henry240:


Straw man argument.


"This is what you're holding on to...... This?"


I'm sure there probably is a Nigerian designed version already installed. Just a complimentary piece of equipment.

There's probably a South African designed Stealth Fighter in service with SAAF!

FighterPilot:


That is easy, if South Africans can have interests in it they will produce it just in one day.

You have NOT produced it. Nigeria does it.

FINITO.

agaugust:


You have NOT produced it. Nigeria does it.

FINITO.

Rocket pods is not something you can die for especially to the world.

patches689:

"seriously degrades the systems effectiveness" - not a priority peice of equipment

I dont give a sh1t about you guessing about things henry, they found you dont have it, it makes the radar allmost worthless, no evidence that the flaw has been remedied.

Pathetic, truly pathetic.

Only 7 operational air-assets
Civilian grade radar
40 year old ammunition

Shamefull really.

Maybe if you were like South Africans, and werent blinded by arrogance your military would receive the scrutiny ours does and these things would not happen

Holding on to a defeated argument doesn't make it valid. The IFF system is a complimentary system considering the Air Force already has existing infrastructure with which to identify aircrafts and a much wider TRACON to rely on.




You are basing your entire argument on a false premise........ Very unfortunate really.

The Russians use old dumb bombs in Syria

The Americans also use old dumb bombs in a JDAM kit.

The argument that DICON supplied old bombs is irrelevant, old ammunitions have to be used.

Your argument on aircrafts has been totally destroyed, it holds no water. With you and your source making contradictory claims.



The SANDF is an incompetent, poorly trained and poorly equipped force with very little battle experience and no large scale battle experience at all. This doesn't change.

jln115:
There's probably a South African designed Stealth Fighter in service with SAAF!

Sure...... Flown by your 9 Gripen pilots.

Henry240:


Sure...... Flown by your 9 Gripen pilots.

More operational pilots than the entire NAF fleet.

jln115:
More operational pilots than the entire NAF fleet.

Still holding onto staws right?

South Africa manufacture rockets pods for the modified version of Russian made MI-24.


https://books.google.co.za/books?id=n7rXaAmQH1MC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=South+African+made+Rocket+pods&source=bl&ots=6vCiThfjfv&sig=aYwkR17wsElRvn92dOuTQ7RBs74&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=South%20African%20made%20Rocket%20pods&f=false

agaugust:



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[s]80% of South African domestic defence industry is your European white masters' companies branches opened in South Africa.

The technology you are boasting about is NOT yours ! Europe is sending all these technology directly to their factories branches in South Africa.

BAE is British, Reinmetall is German, SAAB is Swedish, THALES is French, Mectron is Brazillian.

The only thing you make alone is MRAP that you copied from Zimbabwe in the 1970s.

When South Africa tries to do high tech military products on it's own it fumbles and wobbles in failure....

DENEL could NOT build A-Darter missile until Brazil gave you the technology.

LinkZA data link failed to work as a real TDL because European companies refused to transfer the technology to South Africa.

Even your ordinary R-4 Rifle is a licenced copy of Israeli technology Galil rifle.

South African defence industry is 80% made by Europe on your land. Simple.

Show us what military technology that your Zulu-Bantu-Cape Colony dullards have created since Mandela took over power in 1994....Black Nigerian military officers have created weapons without any foreign help....show us Zulus brain work in your defence industry[/s]
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An empty meaningless post, posted by a man whom is deeply jealous of what we have done.

Its truly pathetic.

agaugust:


Who says RASIT is not effective? Its a French made vehicle mobile military radar used by Nigeria.

SIPRI reports that South African air base fixed radars are civilian grade ...LOL...
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1. RASIT is primarly ground search, short range and from the 1970's

2. Does it? Prove it

agaugust:


You have NOT produced jet fighter rocket pod, we have done it.

Case Closed, we do what you have not achieved.

So, despite the fact that we make:

1. Worlds most popular MRAP
2. Worlds most advanced ASRAM
3. Worlds longest ranged 155mm
4. Worlds most advanced HMD
5. World leading persicopes
6. World class ASM
7. Extremely popular ATGM
8. Domestic Data-link
9. Domestic SAM
10. World Class wheeled AFV
11. Worlds first wheeled IFV
12. One of the most advanced MBT's in SSA
13. World Class Glide Bombs

Yet, you say that we cannot weld some tubes together?

This is your pride and joy? Some tubed welded together on a sub-sonic jet

agaugust:


You have NOT produced it. Nigeria does it.

FINITO.

So you are saying we cant produce it?

Seriously, think about what you are saying.

Henry240:


Holding on to a defeated argument doesn't make it valid. The IFF system is a complimentary system considering the Air Force already has existing infrastructure with which to identify aircrafts and a much wider TRACON to rely on.




You are basing your entire argument on a false premise........ Very unfortunate really.

The Russians use old dumb bombs in Syria

The Americans also use old dumb bombs in a JDAM kit.

The argument that DICON supplied old bombs is irrelevant, old ammunitions have to be used.

Your argument on aircrafts has been totally destroyed, it holds no water. With you and your source making contradictory claims.



The SANDF is an incompetent, poorly trained and poorly equipped force with very little battle experience and no large scale battle experience at all. This doesn't change.

1. Prove your TRACON has IFF - its a civilian system

2. Yes, and Russian bombing has been very innacurate

3. Yes, they modernized them

4. Its ok that your men use 40 year old ammunition in their rifles? Ammunition that is unstable, misfires etc?

5. What contradictory claims?

The NAF has only 7 operational platforms. The NN only has 50% of its fleet operational, sailors who cannot swim, no training in full-spectrum warfare and a collection of 40-60 year old second hand ships. Your army has a hodg-podge of mismatched equipment all of which is obsolete, your men are pathetically trained, have to buy their own medicle equipment, only get issued 60 rounds of ammunition and drive around the warzone in dump-trucks and Toyota pickups.

Your military is beyond a joke.

Henry240:


Sure...... Flown by your 9 Gripen pilots.

Lol, we have more Gripen pilots than NAF has operational aircraft

Henry240:


Still holding onto staws right?

The Official findings of your Militarys most respected investigators and officers is "straws"

Lol!!

mzilakazi:
South Africa manufacture rockets pods for the modified version of Russian made MI-24.


https://books.google.co.za/books?id=n7rXaAmQH1MC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=South+African+made+Rocket+pods&source=bl&ots=6vCiThfjfv&sig=aYwkR17wsElRvn92dOuTQ7RBs74&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=South%20African%20made%20Rocket%20pods&f=false

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!

FighterPilot:


I don't know how many times have I been hearing this. Seems this guy does not understand what do they mean when they say South African is not only black. South African could be a Chinese, Indian, Coloured, White, Arab, etc. SA demographics is different from Nigeria and that's why is called RAINBOW NATION. We don't expect anyone to polarise our country by telling us who belongs to SA and who is not.

LOL....in your Rainbow Nation the Blacks are busy daily Räping White women and killing White men in the farms and the Whites are busy escaping to Australia for safety running away from your South African BLOODY SOAKED RAINBOW land of racial hatred.

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patches689:



BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!

Show us the rocket pod, name the company making it
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mzilakazi:
South Africa manufacture rockets pods for the modified version of Russian made MI-24.


https://books.google.co.za/books?id=n7rXaAmQH1MC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=South+African+made+Rocket+pods&source=bl&ots=6vCiThfjfv&sig=aYwkR17wsElRvn92dOuTQ7RBs74&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=South%20African%20made%20Rocket%20pods&f=false

Show us the rocket pod, name the company making it
..

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patches689:


So, despite the fact that we make:

1. Worlds most popular MRAP
2. Worlds most advanced ASRAM
3. Worlds longest ranged 155mm
4. Worlds most advanced HMD
5. World leading persicopes
6. World class ASM
7. Extremely popular ATGM
8. Domestic Data-link
9. Domestic SAM
10. World Class wheeled AFV
11. Worlds first wheeled IFV
12. One of the most advanced MBT's in SSA
13. World Class Glide Bombs

Yet, you say that we cannot weld some tubes together?

This is your pride and joy? Some tubed welded together on a sub-sonic jet

[/s]


A load of privately fabricated falsehood. Goes into the garbage bin.

[s]

patches689:


1. Prove your TRACON has IFF - its a civilian system

2. Yes, and Russian bombing has been very innacurate

3. Yes, they modernized them

4. Its ok that your men use 40 year old ammunition in their rifles? Ammunition that is unstable, misfires etc?

5. What contradictory claims?

The NAF has only 7 operational platforms. The NN only has 50% of its fleet operational, sailors who cannot swim, no training in full-spectrum warfare and a collection of 40-60 year old second hand ships. Your army has a hodg-podge of mismatched equipment all of which is obsolete, your men are pathetically trained, have to buy their own medicle equipment, only get issued 60 rounds of ammunition and drive around the warzone in dump-trucks and Toyota pickups.

Your military is beyond a joke.

[/s]

More thrash to throw away and keep forum clean
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patches689:


So you are saying we cant produce it?

Seriously, think about what you are saying.

Operation show us your locally made jet fighter rocket pod in progress. Nigeria leading...

Henry240:


Still holding onto staws right?

If straws=Fact then yes, im holding on to straws.

FighterPilot:


I don't know how many times have I been hearing this. Seems this guy does not understand what do they mean when they say South African is not only black. South African could be a Chinese, Indian, Coloured, White, Arab, etc. SA demographics is different from Nigeria and that's why is called RAINBOW NATION. We don't expect anyone to polarise our country by telling us who belongs to SA and who is not.

Don't mind @Agaugust....Its just his slave mentality coming through!!

jln115:

If straws=Fact then yes, im holding on to straws.

I've provided enough evidence to rubbish the report, including photo evidence. Go back to my argument and read, I surely ain't going to repeat old debates.

jln115:

Don't mind @Agaugust....Its just his slave mentality coming through!!

Yet 2 million + "white South-Africans" of a 5 million population fled the country when mandela got elected.


So much for been a rainbow nation.

patches689:


1. Prove your TRACON has IFF - its a civilian system

2. Yes, and Russian bombing has been very innacurate

3. Yes, they modernized them

4. Its ok that your men use 40 year old ammunition in their rifles? Ammunition that is unstable, misfires etc?

5. What contradictory claims?

The NAF has only 7 operational platforms. The NN only has 50% of its fleet operational, sailors who cannot swim, no training in full-spectrum warfare and a collection of 40-60 year old second hand ships. Your army has a hodg-podge of mismatched equipment all of which is obsolete, your men are pathetically trained, have to buy their own medicle equipment, only get issued 60 rounds of ammunition and drive around the warzone in dump-trucks and Toyota pickups.

Your military is beyond a joke.

1. Irrelevant argument


2. Yet the Syrian regime backed by 4 + months of Russian airstrikes has gained more territory than 2000 bombs dropped on kobani or the 20+ months of American led coalition airstrikes in Syria.

It's not even a contest, even a blind person can see who's more accurate


3. 40 year old bombs still.


4. The 40 year old ammos completed what is one of the world's fastest military operations.


5. I'm not going to repeat myself, go read up on the debate.



NAF has over 100 aircrafts operational

50% of a fleet of 500 vessels still leaves the Navy with 250 vessels. The Navy has also added 100 vessels from local and foreign suppliers

Military equipment, the Nigerian military has more amoured vehicles than the SANDF. Each soldier carriers 6 MAGs, and we have the best military hospitals in SSA where both military and civilians receive free and/or cheap health-care.

Utility vehicles such as the Hilux and Ranger are an important part of warfare. SANDF special forces only had light skinned pick-up trucks in the CAR, your special forces in the DRC also drive around in light skins.

Henry240:


1. Irrelevant argument


2. Yet the Syrian regime backed by 4 + months of Russian airstrikes have gained more territory than 2000 bombs dropped on kobani or the 20+ months of American led coalition airstrikes in Syria.

It's not even a contest, even a blind person can see who's more accurate


3. 40 years old bombs still.


4. The 40 years old ammos completed what is one of the world's fastest military operations.


5. I'm not going to repeat myself, go read up on the debate.



NAF has over 100 aircrafts operational

50% of a fleet of 500 vessels still leaves the Navy with 250 vessels. The Navy has also added 100 vessels from local and foreign suppliers

Military equipment, the Nigerian military has more amoured vehicles than the SANDF. Each soldier carriers 6 MAGs, and we have the best military hospitals in SSA.

Utility vehicles such as the Hilux and Ranger are an important part of warfare. SANDF special forces only had light skinned pick-up trucks in the CAR, your special forces in the DRC also drive around in light skins.

10/10 post....knocked down every Southy mofo
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Thiza:
UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO COUNTRY THAT IS IMMUNE FROM TERRORIST ATTACK BUT CERTAILY WITH ASSURANCE THAT NO TERRORIST CAN OVERUN OUR COUNTRY AND HOLD TERRITORY.

SUCH ONLY HAPPENS TO FAILED STATES SUCH AS lIBYA, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, SYRIA, YEMEN, SOMALIA AND LATELY NIGERIA

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[size=13pt]Rhino poachers have been holding territory inside Kruger Park South Africa, dribbling SANDF, SA Special Forces, and SAAF around like school kids in your own father land for over 10 years till today

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"The contractors were only teaching us to drive and stear the Reva MRAP's, they weren't fighting with us".....

More and more pics and stories will slowly come out as stated before. What a useless bunch.