Who the heck is this Esogban?

I'm shocked that this guy is not in tune with history and yet is a ruler in Benin Kingdom.

Benin is not Yoruba......so what are they?

Brothers of the same father denying their parentage.....sheeshh

Are this the kind of petty, misinformed rulers that we now have to carry our heritage?

I think the Esogban should just abdicate right now.

OPCNAIRALAND:


For lack of knowledge about your culture you are dodging behind overplayed rhetorics.

How did Ogiso become a worshiper of Olokun?

How did Africans start to believe in Christianity? Does it mean that we are broke out from Europe? Abi you never here of cultural mix.

...And where do you think your Oduduwa comes from the sky I guess?

OAFMods:
I hope no miscreants will turn up to start wailing on this thread. The word "oba" might be alien to the Yoruba as confirmed by the name of each monarch stated by the chief. It's an adaptation signifying the post of the kingship instead of having to cram the title of the several kings that rule YorubaLand.

Lexicon are borrowed from different culture for several reason so the Benin chief should cool down for Jesus. If there's any superiority contest at play the regret is that of the chief for being a chief in a once great Benin empire To becoming a chief at the lowest ebb of its sagacity. The chief seem to forget that while the Oba of Benin son rules over Eko the son of Oduduwa has been crown the king of Benin long before that.

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

these yoruba pride will consume you people one day.

riddler4real:
You need to know the fact. Which is Oduduwa wasnt born in ile ife. He migrated from somewhere. So the question is where did he migrate from?
I am a yoruba man and I am not ashamed to tell the truth.

The yoruba kingdom had existed before Oduduwa settled there. So where did Oduduwa come from?
Why did he send his son to rule over Benin kingdom?

Try and see the connection and analogy in this. TO be king you must be royalty by blood line. Hence he sent his son to Benin to rule over his ancestral throne..... You do the math..

And please Oduduwa didnt come from Mecca or fall from the skies with a chain.

One of the problem with this part of Africa is the lack of detailed historical record and research

God bless you!

absoluteSuccess:


Aifagba fenikan nio jaye o gun o.

I salute your power to hold the fort for the Yoruba.

May the good of the land flourish for you and your household.

Ase, egbon mi...and I wish same to you my brother.

Im ready to camp out all week and skip other engagements if it comes to it. These people have been on this nonsense talk far too long that their falsehood is becoming a catechism.

We will do justice to their falsehood this time around.

They already messed up when they said Yoruba adopted Oba in the 50s.

They also are lagging in finding answer to how Olokun ended up in their midst.

OPCNAIRALAND:


It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

Op don't understand wat he said he just told u d truth,if u are a good history person u will knw everything so just go back 2 ur history tanks

OPCNAIRALAND:


You already gave yourself out as a fake.

A boxer doesnt come to ring and announce he is a boxer. The ring is only for boxers....you had to be one to step in it.

So if you had to announce what you are....then you are misfit!

sure, I'm fake!
fake enough to think with my brains and not just pour in what my grand parents told me or what folks are so blind to accept as truth!
grow a brain bro.

the Benin's Colonized your stinky axzz

OPCNAIRALAND:


Lmao...

You people and adoption, na wah!

Yoruba adopted Oba and then you adopted Omo n'Oba...please hush if you have nothing cogent to contribute.

so uknow nothing about tradition and history, so u also think oba eweka and oba Akenzua bears omo n' oba

Yorubas think say dem fit claim a whole Benin kindom the way dey are claiming Kwara i n North. Centeal

OPCNAIRALAND:


It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

don't mind that clown, The Oba of benin himself cannot use his mouth to say the trash just spewed by this irresponsible person, else he will face the wrath of his ancestors. Instead of preserving culture/history everything is politics in Nigeria, distorting facts is the order of the day

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

HISTORY BENDERS!!!

seunajia:
The palace chief can please explain why the decapitated heads of past Obas of Benin were buried in Ife until recently.

But there's no need for attaché by force here. Yorubas are cool with Bini. This is just setting the record straight.

...great point,and they should also tell us why they allow the last born of oduduwa,which is oranmiyan to rule benin,and why all oba of benin always require the blessing of ooni of ife b4 they could be crowned as a king..this people better do their home work neatly b4 spreading nonsence with their mouth

frisky2good:
Omo n'oba sounds like a corruption of omo oba (king's child). Are they saying omo (child) is also a Bini word? Every Yoruba king is an Oba but they also have their titles.

Yes, Omo means child in Edo.

Benin palace better watch their mouth and back (especially the Oba), for real.

HartIse:
How did Africans start to believe in Christianity? Does it mean that we are broke out from Europe? Abi you never here of cultural mix.

Forget about Europe, answe question and solve the mystery.

Teddeebear:
these yoruba pride will consume you people one day.

same to you.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You got it mixed up pardner.

Bini is a migrant group to Edoland. Binis are the State Rulers that emigrated from Ile Ife and ruled over Edoland.

The pre State, under rulership of Ogiso ended its dynastic power when the Ile Ife State Rulers arrived and established a new dynasty, cults and Statehood.

There is nothing in traditional Edo custom called Olokun. This was Yoruba cult, so was Ifa and Obatala, which the migrant rulers established and which you practice till today.

Yoruba did to Edo what Fulani did to Hausa, except our language persisted as the court vernacular until very recently....in fact right around the Independence of Nigeria...whereas Fulani adopted the language of the conquered.

Separate Bini from Edo sharp sharp! Edo is not Yoruba but Bini is part and parcel Yoruba and nothing you can do to erase it.

Edo is your a, what do you say of places that speak Yoruba in edo

OPCNAIRALAND:


We should ask them self, since they claim Oba is a recent adaptation by Yoruba to then tell us how we came about the name prefix.

Obafemi
Obayemi
Obadare
Obaseki

Anayordike:


The Chief said the "adaptation" started in the 1950s. So the question is did any body bear Obafemi, Obayomi, Obasanjo, Obaseki before the 50s? Lolz!

YES!
Timothy Oluwole Obadare, Born April 1930
Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Born March 1909

So i guess the Chief need to recheck that statement

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

People like are the reason "unity" will always be a mirage in Nigeria.

If you can prove him wrong, and stop saying you don't need them in your land. Nigeria is ONE and you can't tell people where to live and where not to live.

iHustle:


I laugh in Benin.

What does Oduduwa mean in Yoruba language? NOTHING. Oduduwa is the Yoruba corruption of Imadoduwa. The crown prince Ekhaladerhan, son of Ogiso Owodo, was maliciously banished from Benin. Upon arriving Ife, he became the king of Ife and renamed himself Imadoduwa, meaning "I did not miss the path to glory".

Benin history has visible proofs, unlike the many fables from Yoruba land. Sorry, but it's the truth.

shoro niyen?!
You know nothing bout history.

OPCNAIRALAND:


We should ask them self, since they claim Oba is a recent adaptation by Yoruba to then tell us how we came about the name prefix.

Obafemi
Obayemi
Obadare
Obaseki

obaseki is a bini name.

AnnaKareninaFan:
Following the statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo that the Oba of Benin is the third in the ranking of kings in the South-West region, the Palace of the Oba of Benin has dismissed this as untrue. The Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom (traditional head), Chief David Edebiri, yesterday, made this disclosure, adding that the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin, and the stool of the Oba of Benin could not be compared with that of any Yoruba King.


Esogban,who is third in command in the palace of the Oba of Benin, said: “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba. There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.


“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egbaland. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.


“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin. So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings. Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.


“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin. The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification. The Ooni of Ife by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”


http://dawntodusknews.com/ooni-of-ife-is-oba-of-benins-son-bini-palace-reply-alake-of-egbaland/

Confirm!
Tell them

Am half yoruba, half bini. And I wld say the greatest mistakes our forefathers made was not to write down the history of our various lands. Have u ever wondered why the lagos chiefs of Oba of Lagos dress like the chiefs in bini kingdom? Bini kingdom is one of the few in Nigeria that still protect and follow their culture and tradition. Have you ever seen the Oba of Bini at a party or heard he travelled abroad? He's not allowed to leave his palace or see the heir to his throne till he dies. My grand mum is a bini princess, anytime she's at the palace of the oba of lagos, the oba always bow to her and on yearly basis till she died d oba always pay his respect to her.

Omexonomy:
Land grabbers una don com again?

LAND GRABBERS WHEN YOUR OBA WANTED GRAB ANOTHER PERSON TITLE...
#RedHanded

I am inclined to agree with the Binis on this one. Alake was talking a lot of rubbish

Atlantian:

Its true.

See you How can a group of 30m people be extracted from 2m people? think about it.

seunajia:
The palace chief can please explain why the decapitated heads of past Obas of Benin were buried in Ife until recently.

But there's no need for attaché by force here. Yorubas are cool with Bini. This is just setting the record straight.

that title chief should have allowed the sleeping dog lies, now that he has allowed his pride expose his ignorance am sure he's up to some history lectures, please keep it rolling am enjoying this.

able20:
Yorubas think say dem fit claim a whole Benin kindom the way dey are claiming Kwara i n North. Centeal

No worry, Naija go soon break up, we go see where you go stand.

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

''they should go to hell''?

Exactly where is that?
Tell that to Pope Francis who recently said hell and heaven don't exist...and that adam & eve are fables!

Juxtified:
The Yorubas, as educated as they are, hardly know their history. Maybe its because they're taught in yoruba language in their schools, and translation may be their problem.
They pick quarrels here & there unnecessarily, dodging facts and basing their arguments on sentiments and numerical strength instead of intellectual strength. First it was the Igbos, that war they have not won, now they're ignorantly veering towards the peaceful Edo Nation.

Wake me up when you have something sensible to say.