PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

Thanks for telling them.

The Oba in Bini can bury his head in the sand, that will not change who the Oba is or what the palace is.....

erunz:
you can as Buhari that question

I think you meant ask

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

NL

if this thread were to be about the SS/SE you'd see our western neighbours invading the thread and peddling their unsolicited advice despite knowing little to nothing about the SS or SE.

showing respect is not only when you lie on your stomach like a lizard. see how the Igbos mind their own business by staying away from threads that don't concern them. but, would the others respect the igbos by doing same??



A BIG THUMBS UP TO THE IGBOS!

OgbeifunErom:
I hope people understand Odia's argument

It is much deeper than the headline suggests

For instance , there is no way on earth that the OP of this thread can ever comprehend that essay

Nairalanders are hilarious

bokohalal:
They should allow the Edos to also hold on to their own more truthful version. It is not by population or education. It is the facts that matter.
O da ro.

Where is the truth and the fact? What made your own more truthful and factual than yorubas.

This is what happens when kings become liberal and allow subordinates to stylishly assume full title. The official title of the King of Benin is Omo n'Oba n'Edo, not OBA EDO. That says it all. No need for anyone to try to turn history upside down. Noone is saying the Benin king should come and pay homage to Ooni but history should not be corrupted just to suit our own desire.

I'm seeing Igbo in that piece, why? Please these people should not drag Igbos into this madness. If Yorubas have scores to settle with Benin people, they should do that amicably and leave the Igbos outta it.

E be like say any argument wey Igbo no dey people no dey enjoy am. Rubbish!

ghostmist:
if this thread were to be about the SS/SE you'd see our western neighbours invading the thread and peddling their unsolicited advice despite knowing little to nothing about the SS or SE.

showing respect is not only when you lie on your stomach like a lizard. see how the Igbos mind their own business by staying away from threads that don't concern them. but, would the others respect the igbos by doing same??



A BIG THUMBS UP TO THE IGBOS!

But you just mentioned SS/SE and at the same time said it doesn't concern you?
Or is Edo no longer SS?

ghostmist:
if this thread were to be about the SS/SE you'd see our western neighbours invading the thread and peddling their unsolicited advice despite knowing little to nothing about the SS or SE.

showing respect is not only when you lie on your stomach like a lizard. see how the Igbos mind their own business by staying away from threads that don't concern them. but, would the others respect the igbos by doing same??



A BIG THUMBS UP TO THE IGBOS!

People should please ignore this poster, this is a deliberate attempt to drag people of the SE into the thread. Please where is Edo state? thought its in the SS.

Anuofia

bokohalal:


Yet to see Benin claim Ife. It is the other way around.
Hehe. Bros, Benin Empire is better known than any Yoruba textbook empire. No compare. It would be better you don't go there. I had only enumerated a few earlier. Truth is , no Yoruba state had an empire, so called. Making one up to keep with the Joneses does not cut it with people like us. We know better. Even Oyo area of influence was only within some parts of Yoruba. Benin had the rest.

bros how far tell me why bini hasnt spread ddint grow but remain on a spot foe a long time nd d yoruba populations not only in numbers but in size owing to d number of states own by them...... expatiate

The is nothing like Oba of Bini.......its is OMO N OBA,

Translated.

Please I am a Yoruba, have nothing in behavior or character to a Bini, but these people should stop twisting facts.

The Bini throne is a Yoruba monarchial and fraternal throne.

Kapish

Very funny thread. Yoruba pple of my parents generation really really looked at Benin people as brothers. I wonder where all these arguments started from in our generation. Some pple have sown a seed of discord in this country and won't rest until they tear it all apart. Fools are letting them.

To the person saying DT there was no ife empire, clearly there had to be. If u know anything about Yoruba culture ull know we have a lot of oriki relating to how major towns were formed. We have our whole ifa system dts linked to our health and spirituality and wisdom dt originated from oduduwa. Our origins are from ife. We know ourselves very well. The reason u don't hear about an ife empire or large ife settlement is because there was no white man in dis country during DT age. The white men landed in d 15th century. Yoruba had already formed and scattered abroad like it is in d present day. Ife predates all dis activities, by generations. The whites went on an excavation dig, knowing its spiritual importance to Yoruba pple, and found artifacts there dating back to the 12th century. Most of d things u guys are discussing about are events DT happened around d slave trade period and struggles wt d portuguese and english - I.e. Oyo/Benin empire, calabars, arochukwus e.t.c.

Anything before DT is left to ur cultural oral history. So u can't come out and say ife was not an empire or didn't conquer anything. How did yorubas get much land mass if they didn't move out and conquer or defend anything. And how come we speak d same language everywhere we are? And have d same IFA history. U should ask urself DT.

And its not a competition, u should stick to ur great stories of ur pple (at least i rspct ovanramwen nogbaisi as d only king dt didnt sell his pple during d slave trade - its a thing of great pride to all of us) and don't try to undermine others historical stories passed down from generations. Its sacriligeous. Everyone has their own seperate identity now. Just like in europe. Most of the germans, welsh and scottish descended from d celtics. There are a lot of stories there pertaining to their history but they dont go around saying my tribe is number one. Please @op GROW UP. This is d 21st century.

http://www.edo-nation.net/beneko.htm (Paragraph 2 and 3 of the essay would put your mind at ease, it was written by a blue blood)

GogobiriLalas:
I guess by your logic, the Oba Idahome of Benin republic is not a Yoruba oba too...I love your poetry by the way

NewNigeriaMind:


People should please ignore this poster, this is a deliberate attempt to drag people of the SE into the thread. Please where is Edo state? thought its in the SS.

Anuofia

You need to brush up on your comprehension skills.

you'd never see igbos here cos' they are respectful,sensible and like to mind their business.
Do you see igbos jumping into edo threads or even yoruba threads??

pull out any igbo thread and see the number of non-igbo commenters then you can come back to reason with me.

The whole mystery of the throne of the Oba of Benin is centered on the Divine belief that the Oba is Second to no man, a demigod. We Edos accept and cherish that belief and hereby implore the Yorubas to stop linking our Glorious King to Yoruba Obas who are Oh so Ordinary. We don't want to be associated with anything Yoruba especially their Obas who are little more than TAWDRY (showy but Cheap) ORDINARY men with titles.

Ofeimun's essay is full of bombastic grammar and not much else.

Oduduwa happened to be the ruler who united all those tribes speaking a common tongue and occupying the contiguous territories west and south of the Niger down to the coast. They were never known as Yorubas (a derogatory term adopted from their northern neighbours) until many centuries after the advent of Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is not the progenitor of the 'Yoruba' people (blasphemous as this might sound) because the people, their culture, their myths, their cosmology, their religion had existed for millenia before Oduduwa showed up from wherever he came from. If anybody can lay claim to Oduduwa, its the ruling dynasties of those kingdoms he bequeathed to his children - the present day kings/obas of Oyo, Benin, Ketu, Ife, Ila, etc. Not even the kings of such towns as Ado-Ekiti, Osogbo etc can claim the Oduduwa dynastic line, and they dont actually need to because their history predates Oduduwa, tapping directly into the pantheon of Yoruba deities who began existing at the very beginning of the world.

Awujale was never son of oduduwa check your historical fact sir......

macof:


. Ok, I hope you realize that Unknown to Bini traditions, Oranmiyan is actually Oduduwa's youngest child. .. he had elder siblings establish dynasties like the Alaketu, Olowu, Awujale, Ewi, Ila Orangun, Deji/Ajaponda, Olowo, Elekole, Ajero, Alara etc

so if Ranking is strictly by order of birth then Ila Orangun should come first as Oduduwa's first son, or maybe Olowu of Owu-Ipole as the first child (actually a grandchild) to receive a crown, or maybe Alaketu by being the son of Oduduwa's favorite wife, or by dynasty's strength it would go to Alaafin as head of the oyo empire

so come again on how omo n'oba n'edo is first among Obas

EDOS and the YORUBAS are two ethnic groups divinely United through the destiny of EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA). ODUDUWA (EKALADERHAN) was the only son (prince) of OGISO OWODO (The 36TH OGISO of the OGISO Dynasty) of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN).
The whole scenarios started more than a thousand years Ago in IGODOMIGODO ( Present day Benin City). The King who only had one male child (EKAKADERHAN) and tens of daughters was very disturbed because of his only Son. So he sent delegates to enquire why his wives could not have other male children. Among the delegates was one of the king's wives (ESAGHO) who had no child at all. On arrival and consultation the Oracle revealed that it was the King's wife (ESAGHO) who has been responsible for the king not having other male children through black magic hence she had none. The Oracle instructed that the woman should be used for sacrifice to the gods so that the other women can have male children.
On their way back to the King's palace, ESAGHO confronted the other delegates and vowed that She will tell the King that she was Raped by the delegates, such offence attracted death penalty. So she compelled them to say it was EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) who was the cause of the problem. On their arrival, the message was delivered to the KING as compelled by ESAGHO. When The King heard the message,he was aggrieved but he could not stop the gods from executing their request. So EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) was sentenced to die as a sacrificial lamb for the rest of his father's wives to have male children as indicted by the wicked wife (ESAGHO) .
On the sacrificial day,the young lad (EKALADERHAN-ODUDUWA) was handed over to the Executioner and he was taken to the forest to be executed,but the executioner did not slay him but broke the chain used in binding him into two because of the love and affection he had for the proficient young prince.The young prince later ran towards the western part of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN). After weeks of continuous roaming in the jungle, he found him self in UGHOTON (GWATO-This place is situated in the western riverine area of Bight of Benin).After a shot while in UGHOTON,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) realized that the place was a province of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) because the EDO language was spoken there. So he left the place and moved further west until he found himself in ILE-IFE.
During this period, ILE- IFE was a conglomeration of principalities ruled over by smaller chiefs without any supreme ruler. OBATALA was one of the rulers in one of these principalities. At this same period, the YORUBAS were constantly under attack by other rival tribes and they have been waiting for the Liberator King as prophesied by their Priest. On arrival,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) coexisted with the people of the newly found land (ILE-IFE). First he started as an iron smith (OGUN) which is the main profession and Deity of the people of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) , He was also into clothes making with cotton. It came to a time when ILE-IFE came under attack by their rival tribe and EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) home was also attacked. But unfortunately,the invaders met a fierce resistance from EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA).The prince fought with all his might arming himself with the tools he made for sales.The invaders were later defeated and chased out of the town. He later organized and equipped some hundredths of YORUBA brave warriors with Iron weapons and leather shields and foot wears and invaded the land of the rival Tribes. It was these series of battles that brought about EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) fame and recognition in ILE-IFE.
The leaders of ILE-IFE now invited EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) to their gathering and asked him who he was. He gave his name as ODE-UWA (which translates in EDO *Path to Wealth*) He further told them that he is the son of OGIE-ISO (The King of the sky) . The word *OGIE-ISO* is the Ruling title of Kings that rule IGODOMIGODO in those periods) from the East . As they heard him,they quickly prostrated and shouted KABIKABI O because the YORUBAS now believed he was the liberator king foretold by the Oracle.
He was made KING over ILE-IFE and was given a wife. He had one son,called OKANBI .OKANBI had EIGHT children (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ilara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his "legal" wife, and one (OOni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO.
After many years there was no peace in the kingdom of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) after the death of the last OGISO ( OGISO-OWODO) because the KING had no other male child to succeed him. There was feud between the chiefs of whom will rule as KING. The People were left without a king for decades of years with EVIAN( The great monster buster) as interim leader. It came to a time when the chief priest consulted the Divine God (OGHENE). The God instructed the priest through an Oracle to design a compass made of palm fronds.The spirit of the king was invoked on the compass and immediately the compass moved towards the west trailing EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) path, The Prince whom they believe was still alive somewhere. Emissaries were sent along the compass. Few weeks later,the compass arrived at ILE-IFE and settled at the KING'S palace hovering at the entrance to the KING'S courtyard.
At the appearance of the KING,the compass swiftly moved the Bearer to the feet of OKANBI. During this time,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) was so old that he could no longer come out of his DEN. His Son OKANBI was in charge of the people affairs and he attended to the visitors from the East.The emissaries then delivered their message. after carefully listening ,OKANBI conveyed the message to his Father (EKALADERHAN-(ODUDUWA) .When EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) heard the message,he asked his son OKANBI to bring them in to his Den for a chat. During the Chat, EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) communicated with the emissaries in EDO language.He was so pleased to see his people once again after so many years in Exile in ILE-IFE. The emissaries requested the KING to comeback Home (IGODMIGODO) or ask one of his grand Sons to come along with them to rule as their KING. EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) who was already too old bursted into tears and told his chiefs that the visitors were from his father land (IGODOMIGODO-BENIN) in the East.
Remembering what led to his departure from his father land,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) declined their request because he had no trust in them because of what happened to him decades ago. But the emissaries begged with repentance and sincerity that they were changed people of a new generation. EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) now gave them an option that they should return back to IGODOMIGODO(BENIN) with three LICE .He ask them to train the LICE for three years,that if the LICE can survive with them for three years,then he will give them one of his Grandsons. The emissaries went back Home with Great Hope and kept the LICE in the hair of a Slave for three years. Three years later,the Emissaries shaved off the hair of the slave and removed the LICE in it. This time,the LICE had Increased from three to hundredths. The LICE was kept in a container and taking to ILE-IFE by the emissaries.
On their arrival,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) had already passed away. His Son OKANBI who has been acting instead of his Father (EKALADERHAN-(ODUDUWA) attended to them.When OKANBI saw the hundreds of LICE,he was convinced that the people has really changed and his appointed Son will be in safe hands. So he asked his son ORANMIYAN to go with them. OKANBI felt that the troublesome people could be dealt with by a warrior like ORANMIYAN who before then, had repeatedly proven his mettle. He believed that ORANMIYAN would be able to do the assignment and put the fear of IRASHA in the feuding Chiefs. ORANMIYAN was a great, valiant warrior, the Yoruba people of his era used to describe him as a true son of ODUDUWA after his grand father who was the first towering warrior in YORUBA LAND,He (ORANMIYAN) was the DE facto ruler carrying out war activities and defending ILE-IFE .
On arrival at IGODOMIGODO (BENIN),ORANMIYAN's war like acts put the City in order. ORANMIYAN was in IGODOMIGODO for only few years. But he never could stay for ever as a result of the strange disputes and cases he presided over among the people who came to him. Such cases which he had never heard nor witness in ILE-IFE. He exclaimed with great puzzle by calling the people ILE-IBINU (Place of problem/quarel). The word which was later corrupted as UBINU and later to BENIN by the PORTUGUESE (1453AD.). He had a son called EWEKA by the Daughter of OGIE-EGO of EGO . As his adventurous spirit took the better part of him, he installed his son EWEKA and returned to ILE-IFE with the hope of becoming king. On his return to ILE-IFE, It dawned on ORANMIYAN that he could not ascend the throne with his father's support for his brother, ONNI (OKANBI concubine's Son). He therefore left with his warriors towards North West to found OYO-AJAKA-Ajaka (pressent day OYO) and became the first Alaafin of OYO. His Son EWEKA ruled as the first OBA of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) and a new Era of OBA DYNASTY began and continues to this day of OBA EREDIAWA (Current 38th Oba Of Benin). IF YOUR LANGUAGE RECOGNISES MONEY AS *IGHO* or EGHO*,.YOU ARE FROM IGODOMIGODO (BENIN CITY).THE PRESENCE OF YORUBA IN EVERY PART OF WESTERN NIGERIA CAME UP AS A RESULT OF ODUDUWA'S OCCUPATION AND HIS DECENDANTS CONQUEST ,NOT BY BIRTHS. THE CONQUERED PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO LEARN YORUBA CULTURE AND TRADITION. THIS LATER BECAME PART OF THEM CENTURIES LATER FOR THEY WERE ALL UNDER THE RULE OF ODUDUWA'S SONS AND HIS PROMINENT WARRIORS. THE PRESENCE OF EDO PEOPLE IN ALL PARTS OF THE MIDWESTERN NIGERIA CAME AS A RESULT OF BIRTHS AND MIGRATION DUE TO OVER POPULATION IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF IGODOMIGODO (BENIN CITY). OBA GHATO KPERE, ISE.

Below is the begining Hisotry:

EDOS and the YORUBAS are two ethnic groups divinely United through the destiny of EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA). ODUDUWA (EKALADERHAN) was the only son (prince) of OGISO OWODO (The 36TH OGISO of the OGISO Dynasty) of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN).
The whole scenarios started more than a thousand years Ago in IGODOMIGODO ( Present day Benin City). The King who only had one male child (EKAKADERHAN) and tens of daughters was very disturbed because of his only Son. So he sent delegates to enquire why his wives could not have other male children. Among the delegates was one of the king's wives (ESAGHO) who had no child at all. On arrival and consultation the Oracle revealed that it was the King's wife (ESAGHO) who has been responsible for the king not having other male children through black magic hence she had none. The Oracle instructed that the woman should be used for sacrifice to the gods so that the other women can have male children.
On their way back to the King's palace, ESAGHO confronted the other delegates and vowed that She will tell the King that she was Raped by the delegates, such offence attracted death penalty. So she compelled them to say it was EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) who was the cause of the problem. On their arrival, the message was delivered to the KING as compelled by ESAGHO. When The King heard the message,he was aggrieved but he could not stop the gods from executing their request. So EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) was sentenced to die as a sacrificial lamb for the rest of his father's wives to have male children as indicted by the wicked wife (ESAGHO) .
On the sacrificial day,the young lad (EKALADERHAN-ODUDUWA) was handed over to the Executioner and he was taken to the forest to be executed,but the executioner did not slay him but broke the chain used in binding him into two because of the love and affection he had for the proficient young prince.The young prince later ran towards the western part of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN). After weeks of continuous roaming in the jungle, he found him self in UGHOTON (GWATO-This place is situated in the western riverine area of Bight of Benin).After a shot while in UGHOTON,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) realized that the place was a province of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) because the EDO language was spoken there. So he left the place and moved further west until he found himself in ILE-IFE.
During this period, ILE- IFE was a conglomeration of principalities ruled over by smaller chiefs without any supreme ruler. OBATALA was one of the rulers in one of these principalities. At this same period, the YORUBAS were constantly under attack by other rival tribes and they have been waiting for the Liberator King as prophesied by their Priest. On arrival,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) coexisted with the people of the newly found land (ILE-IFE). First he started as an iron smith (OGUN) which is the main profession and Deity of the people of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) , He was also into clothes making with cotton. It came to a time when ILE-IFE came under attack by their rival tribe and EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) home was also attacked. But unfortunately,the invaders met a fierce resistance from EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA).The prince fought with all his might arming himself with the tools he made for sales.The invaders were later defeated and chased out of the town. He later organized and equipped some hundredths of YORUBA brave warriors with Iron weapons and leather shields and foot wears and invaded the land of the rival Tribes. It was these series of battles that brought about EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) fame and recognition in ILE-IFE.
The leaders of ILE-IFE now invited EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) to their gathering and asked him who he was. He gave his name as ODE-UWA (which translates in EDO *Path to Wealth*) He further told them that he is the son of OGIE-ISO (The King of the sky) . The word *OGIE-ISO* is the Ruling title of Kings that rule IGODOMIGODO in those periods) from the East . As they heard him,they quickly prostrated and shouted KABIKABI O because the YORUBAS now believed he was the liberator king foretold by the Oracle.
He was made KING over ILE-IFE and was given a wife. He had one son,called OKANBI .OKANBI had EIGHT children (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ilara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his "legal" wife, and one (OOni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO.
After many years there was no peace in the kingdom of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) after the death of the last OGISO ( OGISO-OWODO) because the KING had no other male child to succeed him. There was feud between the chiefs of whom will rule as KING. The People were left without a king for decades of years with EVIAN( The great monster buster) as interim leader. It came to a time when the chief priest consulted the Divine God (OGHENE). The God instructed the priest through an Oracle to design a compass made of palm fronds.The spirit of the king was invoked on the compass and immediately the compass moved towards the west trailing EKALADERHAN'S (ODUDUWA) path, The Prince whom they believe was still alive somewhere. Emissaries were sent along the compass. Few weeks later,the compass arrived at ILE-IFE and settled at the KING'S palace hovering at the entrance to the KING'S courtyard.
At the appearance of the KING,the compass swiftly moved the Bearer to the feet of OKANBI. During this time,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) was so old that he could no longer come out of his DEN. His Son OKANBI was in charge of the people affairs and he attended to the visitors from the East.The emissaries then delivered their message. after carefully listening ,OKANBI conveyed the message to his Father (EKALADERHAN-(ODUDUWA) .When EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) heard the message,he asked his son OKANBI to bring them in to his Den for a chat. During the Chat, EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) communicated with the emissaries in EDO language.He was so pleased to see his people once again after so many years in Exile in ILE-IFE. The emissaries requested the KING to comeback Home (IGODMIGODO) or ask one of his grand Sons to come along with them to rule as their KING. EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) who was already too old bursted into tears and told his chiefs that the visitors were from his father land (IGODOMIGODO-BENIN) in the East.
Remembering what led to his departure from his father land,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) declined their request because he had no trust in them because of what happened to him decades ago. But the emissaries begged with repentance and sincerity that they were changed people of a new generation. EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) now gave them an option that they should return back to IGODOMIGODO(BENIN) with three LICE .He ask them to train the LICE for three years,that if the LICE can survive with them for three years,then he will give them one of his Grandsons. The emissaries went back Home with Great Hope and kept the LICE in the hair of a Slave for three years. Three years later,the Emissaries shaved off the hair of the slave and removed the LICE in it. This time,the LICE had Increased from three to hundredths. The LICE was kept in a container and taking to ILE-IFE by the emissaries.
On their arrival,EKALADERHAN (ODUDUWA) had already passed away. His Son OKANBI who has been acting instead of his Father (EKALADERHAN-(ODUDUWA) attended to them.When OKANBI saw the hundreds of LICE,he was convinced that the people has really changed and his appointed Son will be in safe hands. So he asked his son ORANMIYAN to go with them. OKANBI felt that the troublesome people could be dealt with by a warrior like ORANMIYAN who before then, had repeatedly proven his mettle. He believed that ORANMIYAN would be able to do the assignment and put the fear of IRASHA in the feuding Chiefs. ORANMIYAN was a great, valiant warrior, the Yoruba people of his era used to describe him as a true son of ODUDUWA after his grand father who was the first towering warrior in YORUBA LAND,He (ORANMIYAN) was the DE facto ruler carrying out war activities and defending ILE-IFE .
On arrival at IGODOMIGODO (BENIN),ORANMIYAN's war like acts put the City in order. ORANMIYAN was in IGODOMIGODO for only few years. But he never could stay for ever as a result of the strange disputes and cases he presided over among the people who came to him. Such cases which he had never heard nor witness in ILE-IFE. He exclaimed with great puzzle by calling the people ILE-IBINU (Place of problem/quarel). The word which was later corrupted as UBINU and later to BENIN by the PORTUGUESE (1453AD.). He had a son called EWEKA by the Daughter of OGIE-EGO of EGO . As his adventurous spirit took the better part of him, he installed his son EWEKA and returned to ILE-IFE with the hope of becoming king. On his return to ILE-IFE, It dawned on ORANMIYAN that he could not ascend the throne with his father's support for his brother, ONNI (OKANBI concubine's Son). He therefore left with his warriors towards North West to found OYO-AJAKA-Ajaka (pressent day OYO) and became the first Alaafin of OYO. His Son EWEKA ruled as the first OBA of IGODOMIGODO (BENIN) and a new Era of OBA DYNASTY began and continues to this day of OBA EREDIAWA (Current 38th Oba Of Benin). IF YOUR LANGUAGE RECOGNISES MONEY AS *IGHO* or EGHO*,.YOU ARE FROM IGODOMIGODO (BENIN CITY).THE PRESENCE OF YORUBA IN EVERY PART OF WESTERN NIGERIA CAME UP AS A RESULT OF ODUDUWA'S OCCUPATION AND HIS DECENDANTS CONQUEST ,NOT BY BIRTHS. THE CONQUERED PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO LEARN YORUBA CULTURE AND TRADITION. THIS LATER BECAME PART OF THEM CENTURIES LATER FOR THEY WERE ALL UNDER THE RULE OF ODUDUWA'S SONS AND HIS PROMINENT WARRIORS. THE PRESENCE OF EDO PEOPLE IN ALL PARTS OF THE MIDWESTERN NIGERIA CAME AS A RESULT OF BIRTHS AND MIGRATION DUE TO OVER POPULATION IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF IGODOMIGODO (BENIN CITY). OBA GHATO KPERE, ISE.

ghostmist:
You need to brush up on your comprehension skills.

you'd never see igbos here cos' they are respectful,sensible and like to mind their business.
Do you see igbos jumping into edo threads or even yoruba threads??

pull out any igbo thread and see the number of non-igbo commenters then you can come back to reason with me.

I think its d other way round. I NEVER see any tribe jumping into igbo threads when theyre discussing how imo is not from arochukwu and all their several arguments. But u are here and ur others are already here so clearly u lie.

playerinc:
The whole mystery of the throne of the Oba of Benin is centered on the Divine belief that the Oba is Second to no man, a demigod. We Edos accept and cherish that belief and hereby implore the Yorubas to stop linking our Glorious King to Yoruba Obas who are Oh so Ordinary. We don't want to be associated with anything Yoruba especially their Obas who are little more than TAWDRY (showy but Cheap) ORDINARY men with titles.

Truth is NOBODY cares about ur OBA except u. Same thing goes for every individual tribe. They only rule in their kingdom and among their pple. Nowhere else. DTS just the truth u need to understand.

ghostmist:
You need to brush up on your comprehension skills.

you'd never see igbos here cos' they are respectful,sensible and like to mind their business.
Do you see igbos jumping into edo threads or even yoruba threads??

pull out any igbo thread and see the number of non-igbo commenters then you can come back to reason with me.

You are a dubious mischief maker, where is EDO state again and when did SS equal Igbo......

I have not time for back and forth with your ilk.

janellemonae:


Truth is NOBODY cares about ur OBA except u. Same thing goes for every individual tribe. They only rule in their kingdom and among their pple. Nowhere else. DTS just the truth u need to understand.

Exactly! Leave us alone! The Ooni should battle the Alaafin over YORUBA Obaship supremacy. We ARE NOT Yorubas. E jo!

OPCNAIRALAND:


How do Yoruba kings have identity crisis? Explain.

people who tink their father fell from heaven do have identity crisis.

bokohalal:


Firstly, I think you are translating Yoruba into English because it is somehow difficult following your comments Do not get it wrong , it is perfectly in order to do so but the soul of the comment is lost in that form. And I do not understand Yoruba.
Secondly, from the Ooni, to the Alake ,millions of Yorubas and your strange self, remember that it is the grown man that called a little girl his wife that invited insults to himselfOther than that, we are very different people. If you stop claiming Benin and relegating our revered stool under a coloni . Binis DO NOT reckon with Yorubas in their history and tradition. The Bini way is totally different from the Yoruba's.As neighbours, we are bound to have interacted. al imposed hierarchy, you will no t hear from the Esogban, or any other Edo, for that matter.
Thirdly, which empire in Yorubaland are you talking about? Ife? Oyo? Ekaladerhan never sat on Oyo throne. No one ever said that.
According to Benin history , Ekaladerhan became Oduduwa who reigned in Ife. That does not make Ife, or Oyo, which came after,an empire.

it is not true dat binis do not reckon Yoruba's in their tradition nor true dat Beni's way are totally different from Yoruba way as any one who has lived in Benin can testify, during my one year NySC, i realised Benin can not be divorced from Yoruba in many ways, it is sensible to realise that a tribe that is not up to a state generated from a multi state tribe among other things.

it is an undisputed fact, historically and archaeologically that the lost wax cire perdue process of bronze casting was transmitted from ife to Benin at the bequest of the Benin mornachy. look into precolonial art history and you will realize that ife art flourished centuries before Benin art. more so, realism and naturalism in sculptural pieces was first achieved in ife. ife is dubbed the 'Greece of Africa' because it was the most first art civilization to attain naturalistic expressions in sculpture. even carbon dating reveals Benin art flourished after ife had. and the extreme similarity in style, medium and purpose is an indicator of the influence of ife art tradition on Benin art.

weird reasoning and typical imaginary black man's belief. If he fell from heaven under chains,
sorry, my suggestion is , he was a demon and not angel or child of God as you supposed him to be. ''Came down chained'' said it all.
They were chased and cast out of heavens.. Hmmm..is this why Satan is black?. My little reasoning tho.

bokohalal:


I understand your problem now.
There is an OGIAMIEN family in Benin City.
After the banishment of Ekaladerhan, there was a period of republicanism and Evian was chosen to administer the affairs of the kingdom. On his death, his son took over and the Binis revolted that the family was not of royal blood. A search for the banished Ekaladerhan led them to Ife where he now resided and reigned as Oduduwa.

Heard the above before?
Do you want to come see where Evian had performed a heroic feat that made the people to appoint him the head of the Kingdom?
Oliha family is still there.
The site of the Palace of the Ogisos is still there.

Or are you saying that the Ogisos never existed?
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History was oral and has been from time in Benin and most of Africa. That the Yoruba wrote their version down before the Edos did due to western education getting there first does not and should not suppress a more verifiable Edo version of same event.

"No to who first reach Police station dem dey take win case " is a popular Nigerian Pidgin proverb.

Bro you are damn right. How can some group of people believe oduduwa fell from the sky huh Jesus Christ was given birth to by a woman. Only angels came down from sky because they were immortals. Yoruba history is a doctored one. Thanks to western education that got there first. Edo history is more oral narration due to the primary fact that Binis are very sacred when comes to traditional dealings.

pls dont assume anything.. Oduduwa did not come from any fake mecca.. Ile ife existed 10,000 BC before the birth of Jesus.. So please. It's saudi arabia propaganda that one lamurudacame.. we are not related to any lamurudu from any Mecca.. they are the ones related to us and that history has been erased since the kush empire..

all dix one no concern me d only oba wey I know for Benin na oba Akensua...... finish

A question to the historians in the group
Oyo empire and Bini Empire which is the oldest?