janellemonae:


Truth is NOBODY cares about ur OBA except u. Same thing goes for every individual tribe. They only rule in their kingdom and among their pple. Nowhere else. DTS just the truth u need to understand.

orisa37:
Oduduiwa is still living, just like Jesus lives.Oduduiwa is Omo Olodumare, just like Jesus is The Born Son of I am That I am. The only difference between Jesus Christ and Oduduiwa is that while Jesus was born right here on earth before our very eyes by The Holy Spirit, Oduduiwa was a Nephilim(manufactured complete Son of God in Heaven) dropped at Ile Ife as a Species of Omo Olodumare. God moulded Adam from clay. He formed Eve(Efa) from rib. He produced Nephilims(sons of God) of different colors to intermingle with daughters of men, intermarry and procreate. This is the life of Yoruba Nephilim called Oduduiwa. Yoruba land springs from the source of River Niger in the present Kebbi State, down to the Confluence and straight down to the Creek in Bayelsa State. As for those claiming to be fathers and mothers of Yoruba, time will tell. I have said before that ODU means BONDS, COVENANT and HEAVEN. IWA means CHARACTER, CULTURE and EARTH. Also ODU is GOD IN HEAVEN and IWA is OBA ON EARTH.

OgbeifunErom:
I hope people understand Odia's argument

It is much deeper than the headline suggests

For instance , there is no way on earth that the OP of this thread can ever comprehend that essay

macof:


. Ok, I hope you realize that Unknown to Bini traditions, Oranmiyan is actually Oduduwa's youngest child. .. he had elder siblings establish dynasties like the Alaketu, Olowu, Awujale, Ewi, Ila Orangun, Deji/Ajaponda, Olowo, Elekole, Ajero, Alara etc

so if Ranking is strictly by order of birth then Ila Orangun should come first as Oduduwa's first son, or maybe Olowu of Owu-Ipole as the first child (actually a grandchild) to receive a crown, or maybe Alaketu by being the son of Oduduwa's favorite wife, or by dynasty's strength it would go to Alaafin as head of the oyo empire

so come again on how omo n'oba n'edo is first among Obas

orisa37:
Oduduiwa is still living, just like Jesus lives.Oduduiwa is Omo Olodumare, just like Jesus is The Born Son of I am That I am. The only difference between Jesus Christ and Oduduiwa is that while Jesus was born right here on earth before our very eyes by The Holy Spirit, Oduduiwa was a Nephilim(manufactured complete Son of God in Heaven) dropped at Ile Ife as a Species of Omo Olodumare. God moulded Adam from clay. He formed Eve(Efa) from rib. He produced Nephilims(sons of God) of different colors to intermingle with daughters of men, intermarry and procreate. This is the life of Yoruba Nephilim called Oduduiwa. Yoruba land springs from the source of River Niger in the present Kebbi State, down to the Confluence and straight down to the Creek in Bayelsa State. As for those claiming to be fathers and mothers of Yoruba, time will tell. I have said before that ODU means BONDS, COVENANT and HEAVEN. IWA means CHARACTER, CULTURE and EARTH. Also ODU is GOD IN HEAVEN and IWA is OBA ON EARTH.

bokohalal:


Yet to see Benin claim Ife. It is the other way around.
Hehe. Bros, Benin Empire is better known than any Yoruba textbook empire. No compare. It would be better you don't go there. I had only enumerated a few earlier. Truth is , no Yoruba state had an empire, so called. Making one up to keep with the Joneses does not cut it with people like us. We know better. Even Oyo area of influence was only within some parts of Yoruba. Benin had the rest.

bokohalal:
Yorubas can hold unto their spurious version since it massages their ego. They should allow the Edos to also hold on to their own more truthful version. It is not by population or education. It is the facts that matter.
O da ro.

Amustical:
Keep shut man...... Go to your government textbook. Even there, there is nothing like bini empire...... You will only see oyo empire, hausa/fulani and ibo's there. And that was our pre-colonial era of government, where yoruba rule ibini
. Meet the elders to share history with you. Don't say what you don't. If literacy makes yoruba well recognise than bibi, then take it. That is the power of education

frisky2good:
This is what happens when kings become liberal and allow subordinates to stylishly assume full title. The official title of the King of Benin is Omo n'Oba n'Edo, not OBA EDO. That says it all. No need for anyone to try to turn history upside down. Noone is saying the Benin king should come and pay homage to Ooni but history should not be corrupted just to suit our own desire.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Bring it here. You dont tell us to research Ile Ife history, do you? You tell it to us as if you are an expert on it.

It's Benin's turn. Bring your history here, tell it, and stop hiding behind macof. No Yoruba person deflects the history of Ife to a non Yoruba to tell. Bini must tell their own history and not deflect to Yoruba's account.

The truth of the matter, if you review threads here in Nairaland is that never has the story of Bini been told without using the greatness of Yoruba civilization as its anchor to shore credits and regal power. Never!

That nonsense is stopping now!

Since you believe you gave Yoruba its civilization and State, tell us your own beginning as a civilized and state power. Go to your beginning.

Where did Igodomigodo come from, who were the indigenes of the land prior, how was the land conquered, how did Ogiso dynasty take root, whats the chain of rulership, whats the structure of state, who were the heroes, the legends, the conquerors, the priests, .....showcase your greatness now or shut up forever and accept what Ooni said, Bini (not Edo) is a Yoruba dynasty.

Yorubas own the title Oba, no other society use Oba but Yorubas. Anywhere you hear Oba, its a Yoruba kingdom and state. Bini never used or use Oba.....you have Omo n'Oba.

You can twist Omo n'Oba into any fanciful meaning you want....but everyone know what Omo means, what Oba means....and they are not stewpid not to know what the combination of Omo and Oba stand for.

OPCNAIRALAND:


The history of Bini has its beginnings in Ife. If you take Ife out, they are left with Edo. Edo's history is a empty shell. It contains Ogiso and Igodomigodo, thats all in it, and even the Ogiso history is a checquered one.

OPCNAIRALAND:
OmonOba Erediuwa had a identity conflict. He wont be first nor last.

Look, the English monarchy had to distant from their German root and drop their pedigree from Battenberg in order not.to create a political storm that could consume their English hereditary.

You can write epistle and deny in media who your King is, you cannot and will not reverse the deeds of authority installed over you by Yoruba. Its a done deal!

Amustical:
Keep shut man...... Go to your government textbook. Even there, there is nothing like bini empire...... You will only see oyo empire, hausa/fulani and ibo's there. And that was our pre-colonial era of government, where yoruba rule ibini
. Meet the elders to share history with you. Don't say what you don't. If literacy makes yoruba well recognise than bibi, then take it. That is the power of education

Benin empire was very big and so was Yorubas, the Alaafin of Oyo empire. In fact it extended to Benin republic and part of Ghana. Both were respected. The Queen had to send Plymouth or so to Benin to look at Africa king whose subjects treated him like God. Notwithstanding each empire was great in its own estate. Benins are not Yorubas but the ruling class are related. The house of Windsor in England are Germans you can Google it. The Etsu, the king of Nupe land are Fulani while the Nupes are Tapas so is the Oba of Ilorin who is also a Fulani man. Soun of Ogbomoso is not a Yoruba man but a Nupe man from history. So after Ogiso dynasty, the first Oba Eweka I was related to Yoruba. He was the son of Prince Oranmiyan of Yoruba and Benin princes. Ooni himself was never a king in the beginning but a priest. There was a time that there no king in Ife as all the children of Okanbi had left to fund their respective domains. The priest later became the king. We refer him to Ooni.

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

NewNigeriaMind:
The is nothing like Oba of Bini.......its is OMO N OBA,

Translated.

Please I am a Yoruba, have nothing in behavior or character to a Bini, but these people should stop twisting facts.

The Bini throne is a Yoruba monarchial and fraternal throne.

Kapish

opal4real:


Another juvenile rant. Read history books pre-ajayi crowther,johnsons n co and get properly educated.

absoluteSuccess:
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Thanks for perceiving that I reasons in Yoruba, that's what I do exactly, it tells you where I come from. Take the pains to understand me.

You are going back and forth, sort of.

If the Yoruba had not recounted an hierarchical order that got Omonoba involved, the ekaladerhan saga won't have been?

'According to Bini history', was that history ever written? If not, then the ekaladerhan is therefore a 'child of necessity'.

The issue is, do you people have a history this great that it has to wait this long to be told?

We all know we are in the era of the disclaimers, people casting off old yokes and building cultural walls than bridges.

But the long it took you to write this bini history, from the era of sending ambassadors to heaven Portugal in 15th century to date shows that perhaps,

from that time till ekaladerhan's emergence, you mean you don't have a book that reference for your 'tales of greatness' of your own?

Not necessarily a book, but classic folklores built around iconic figures like that of Emotan, Tsoede, Oduduwa, Hausa bokwoi, Queen Amina, Aladi, Eri etc.

Then the educational board would have registered your historical imprint in a subject called social study without bias, long time ago.

Why do you people waited this long with that Bini history, what history was known as Bini history to the educational board?

Who is to blame?

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

OROSUNBOLB:


They won't understand and as you rightly put it,time will tell. Yoruba are not in any superiority contest with any race or tribe. We are a special breed of people with clear vision and mission. It is sheer stupidity and ignorance that will make anybody equates Oduduwa to a mortal being. Oduduwa is a living spirit in every virtuous yoruba man or woman!

bokohalal:


Yoruba greatness is due to its early foray into Western education. They even created the textbook Oyo empire whereas Benin Empire had exchanged ambassadors with European nations in the 17th century . Even today, a country's greatness and influence can be measured by the number of consular and cultural offices globally.
The number of non-Bini ethnic groups and places that claim founding by Benin is unrivaled. Only Egypt surpass Benin in that regard in our region.
Just go to a little corner and try think out how to whittle down Benin's greatness. Ife, Oyo, all of Yorubaland cannot come close to our historical achievement. Others have tried and died trying.
If Oba of Benin is Yoruba, then he is first. If he is not, leave Benin out of your miserable numbering . Count only Yoruba Obas.
And all I know about Ife begins with Ekaladerhan.

bokohalal:

At least Benin was in existence before Oduduwa. His son came to Benin to RULE.not FOUND.
If you had opened up your mind to learning about others you would have found the perfect answer to your question.

ghostmist:
if this thread were to be about the SS/SE you'd see our western neighbours invading the thread and peddling their unsolicited advice despite knowing little to nothing about the SS or SE.

showing respect is not only when you lie on your stomach like a lizard. see how the Igbos mind their own business by staying away from threads that don't concern them. but, would the others respect the igbos by doing same??



A BIG THUMBS UP TO THE IGBOS!

SoNature:

I'm seeing Igbo in that piece, why? Please these people should not drag Igbos into this madness. If Yorubas have scores to settle with Benin people, they should do that amicably and leave the Igbos outta it.

E be like say any argument wey Igbo no dey people no dey enjoy am. Rubbish!

opal4real:



Identity crises is what plagues the Yoruba race till date. From Oduduwa falling from d sky with a cock n calabash story to him migrating from Mecca to d Aalafin side if d story to d confused Ooni who is not sure if he was a palace attendant or Oduduwa's son.

I ask again who is Oduduwas father? Who was the king of Ife before Oduduwa? Was Ife a bare land when Oduduwa landed from d sky?

ghostmist:
if this thread were to be about the SS/SE you'd see our western neighbours invading the thread and peddling their unsolicited advice despite knowing little to nothing about the SS or SE.

showing respect is not only when you lie on your stomach like a lizard. see how the Igbos mind their own business by staying away from threads that don't concern them. but, would the others respect the igbos by doing same??



A BIG THUMBS UP TO THE IGBOS!

meforyou1:
why do u like lying so terribly? Benin is senior to Ife

Dindondin:

This argument is portraying Binis as history twisters to sooth their kingdom only.
*How come Yoruba kingdom is now bigger than the Benin Kingdom?

*How come core Yoruba culture is practiced in Benin till date & they can't say a myth about the it
origin?

* Why did Oranmiyan leave Benin Kingdom to create Oyo?

And other questions like that.
On the issue of the use of Oba, common sense ll let Benin historians know that the word was not mainly used in Yorubaland because every town has its title for a ruler.
But a common name for King is Oba.
So...Benin's should not claim it as if its their language.
Owomika or Eweka is a Yoruba name. This alone should mellow arguements about his origin.
As it appears, the Yorubas & Benins have similarities but its as if its Benin that copied yourubas the most.

OPCNAIRALAND:


No one cares about Edo. Do not interchange Edo and Bini. Edo is what you have for.your land, no one disputes that with you. Your monarchy is a Yoruba throne, its called Bini to separate from whatever monarchy you had prior to Oranmiyan's arrival.in Edo.
Bini is a marker for the new dynasty, a pedigree of Yoruba State Rulers, given the title OmonOba, to distinguish separately from Oba.

snailspeed:


Where did you folks get this from? The title of the Benin king is Oba, not Omo n Oba. Every Benin king chooses a special name at coronation just like when people choose baptisimal names. This Oba chose Omo n Oba N'edo Uku akpolokpolo Erediawa. The level of ignorance on this thread is alarming!

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]