stevecantrell:


In the absence of bigfrancis21, I will say what I know about this...it is almost impossible to achieve that level of consciousness while wearing this 'earth suit'.
However, hypno-therapists have developed a technique called 'regression' to refresh memories of a past life or other earthly existence.

Although widely thought to be controversial, regression as helped some understand that the suffering they currently experience in this life , could have been as a result of some negative choices made in a previous life.

Its also important not confuse, reincarnation and past earthly life with pre-birth existence.
it is very hard to 'remember', only a lucky few may have clarity on who they were and where before birth on earth.

Spot on. You hit the question on point. Do you have any pre-birth memories?

bigfrancis21:


Spot on. You hit the question on point. Do you have any pre-birth memories?

Thanks man.

Pre birth experiences..yes !

Drowning !!

That's the one that stands out.

It might not be drowning in the conventional sense but the experience had a lot of water in it, like being surrounded or being immersed in a large body of water...I'm sure its not amniotic fluid. Lolzz !

BlaqCoffee109:
hmmm, bigfrancis21..i got a question for you on this..how do one regain the reality before this earthly plane existence?

The question was not adressed to me. Nonetheless, if I may give my own opinion.

There are 2 ways I know of, that may enable one to have access to pre birth memories. One is safe but difficult, the other one is somehow easy, but dangerous.

The easiest one but very dangerous, is hypnotic regression. You actually have nothing to do apart from visiting a psychanalyst or an expert. But it is very dangerous. Depending on your level of spiritual growth, you may be exposed to dangers from your past lives, past memories, of wicked entities in the astral and ethereal worlds. It also depends on the specialist doing the job.

Bear in mind the reasons why the veil is put after birth. It is (among other reasons) to prevent us from former experiences which could be detrimental to us. Imagine if you remember someone in a former life that raped you and had your whole family killed. You may be tempted to look for his descendants in this life and carry out some form of revenge. Some trauma/drama of past lives should not be remembered until one reaches a certain degree of spiritual development. Which brings me to the second way:

With spiritual development, after some time, one reaches a stage where he is granted access to the records of the divine. Some call it the Book of life, some the Akashic records, etc. Then he can have knowledge of almost everything that happened in the past with great accuracy. In a sense, the Akashic records are the truest and most accurate records of history. And from the Akashi records, prophecies and predictions can be made with great accuracy. Knowledge is drawn from the Akashic usually in the form of vivid and living images, that can be seen with the inner eyes.

I insist on the fact that, it is only after deep spiritual development that one can be given (true) access to the Akashic records. The divine order makes sure that no one may have access to it, out of curiosity or with evil intend. Only those who have developped internally up to a considerable extent, and are therefore beyond worthless considerations of pride, revenge, anger, and the right like, can have access to it for their spiritual development.

Such a person may then have accurate knowledge of who he was, how many times he was on earth, and so on. He may also know in details, the true life of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mohamed, and other mysteries which are usually distorted by religions and religious teachings.

This is my humble perception on the issue, backed my experience. Feel free to reject it, or critize it, especially if it does not resonate as true in the depths of your heart.

Greetings to you all.

stevecantrell:


I will tell you what I believe.



Imagine the kind of power and advantage that level of consciousness would give you over others ? It would be astronomical and very unfair.

Now while I don't buy into this thing, I will however point out that there would be no advantage if everyone had "that level of consciousness ". The point you made isn't a good one.

jayriginal:


Now while I don't buy into this thing, I will however point out that there would be no advantage if everyone had "that level of consciousness ". The point you made isn't a good one.

I wouldn't expect any point made to be good to you.

You "don't buy into this thing", remember ?

bigfrancis21:


Hypnosis or regression therapy can relax your mind and take you deep into your subconscious memory where you can access past memories. With hypnosis, you can access past life memories and it has been helpful in solving some past life issues people carry over to their present lives. By accessing the cause of the issue they are having in their current lifetime carried over from a past lifetime (s), they are able to resolve the issue.

hmmm...Thank You

LoJ:

The question was not adressed to me. Nonetheless, if I may give my own opinion.

There are 2 ways I know of, that may enable one to have access to pre birth memories. One is safe but difficult, the other one is somehow easy, but dangerous.

The easiest one but very dangerous, is hypnotic regression. You actually have nothing to do apart from visiting a psychanalyst or an expert. But it is very dangerous. Depending on your level of spiritual growth, you may be exposed to dangers from your past lives, past memories, of wicked entities in the astral and ethereal worlds. It also depends on the specialist doing the job.

Bear in mind the reasons why the veil is put after birth. It is (among other reasons) to prevent us from former experiences which could be detrimental to us. Imagine if you remember someone in a former life that raped you and had your whole family killed. You may be tempted to look for his descendants in this life and carry out some form of revenge. Some trauma/drama of past lives should not be remembered until one reaches a certain degree of spiritual development. Which brings me to the second way:

With spiritual development, after some time, one reaches a stage where he is granted access to the records of the divine. Some call it the Book of life, some the Akashic records, etc. Then he can have knowledge of almost everything that happened in the past with great accuracy. In a sense, the Akashic records are the truest and most accurate records of history. And from the Akashi records, prophecies and predictions can be made with great accuracy. Knowledge is drawn from the Akashic usually in the form of vivid and living images, that can be seen with the inner eyes.

I insist on the fact that, it is only after deep spiritual development that one can be given (true) access to the Akashic records. The divine order makes sure that no one may have access to it, out of curiosity or with evil intend. Only those who have developped internally up to a considerable extent, and are therefore beyond worthless considerations of pride, revenge, anger, and the right like, can have access to it for their spiritual development.

Such a person may then have accurate knowledge of who he was, how many times he was on earth, and so on. He may also know in details, the true life of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mohamed, and other mysteries which are usually distorted by religions and religious teachings.

This is my humble perception on the issue, backed my experience. Feel free to reject it, or critize it, especially if it does not resonate as true in the depths of your heart.

Greetings to you all.

...whao! Thank You LoJ... I think I remember a couple of things...maybe..

stevecantrell:


Thanks man.

Pre birth experiences..yes !

Drowning !!

That's the one that stands out.

It might not be drowning in the conventional sense but the experience had a lot of water in it, like being surrounded or being immersed in a large body of water...I'm sure its not amniotic...ufluid. Lolzz !

uh huh!

BlaqCoffee109:
...whao! Thank You LoJ...

All thanks should be directed to God alone.

I think I remember a couple of things...maybe..

My humble advice is, don't force it. For most people it would be very disturbing if the veil is lifted.

Just focus on your spiritual development. When the right time comes, the veil shall be lifted, and you shall be granted access to the records of God.

And the way to spiritual development has nothing to do with a church or a religion. It is simply learning to love everyone, as yourself. Practice love, live by love, breathe love. As you do that, your base instincts such as lust, anger, revenge, wickedness, pride, jalousy, etc. will loose their grip over your soul. You will become a more and more loving person and righteous soul. And you will gradually live in accord with the laws of the universe. You will attract spiritual helpers, teachers to you, and your light will shine.

Then, it will be quite easy for you to remember past lives. You would have reached a state of purity and goodness, and the knowledge of the past, will not harm you in anyway.

I wish you all that is pure and noble.

Greetings.

stevecantrell:


I wouldn't expect any point made to be good to you.

You "don't buy into this thing", remember ?

Doesn't mean I can't point out a bad argument.

LoJ:

All thanks should be directed to God alone.


My humble advice is, don't force it. For most people it would be very disturbing if the veil is lifted.

Just focus on your spiritual development. When the right time comes, the veil shall be lifted, and you shall be granted access to the records of God.

And the way to spiritual development has nothing to do with a church or a religion. It is simply learning to love everyone, as yourself. Practice love, live by love, breathe love. As you do that, your base instincts such as lust, anger, revenge, wickedness, pride, jalousy, etc. will loose their grip over your soul. You will become a more and more loving person and righteous soul. And you will gradually live in accord with the laws of the universe. You will attract spiritual helpers, teachers to you, and your light will shine.

Then, it will be quite easy for you to remember past lives. You would have reached a state of purity and goodness, and the knowledge of the past, will not harm you in anyway.

I wish you all that is pure and noble.

Greetings.

Exactly loj

There's a reason why these things are sequestered from our memories.
I think it is both to humble us and also protect us and protect others too.
The main reason we are prone to mistakes in this life is mostly because we don't 'remember' any better from past experiences gathered from past existence.

jayriginal:


Doesn't mean I can't point out a bad argument.

Although I haven't made one yet, my argument is very plausible. But it would prove futile explaining it to one who's pre-judged the whole thing as crackpot.

stevecantrell:


Thanks man.

Pre birth experiences..yes !

Drowning !!

That's the one that stands out.

It might not be drowning in the conventional sense but the experience had a lot of water in it, like being surrounded or being immersed in a large body of water...I'm sure its not amniotic fluid. Lolzz !

My best guess for this memory would be leaving the afterlife for earth, or passing or 'falling' through the tunnel to earth - the same tunnel NDErs report passing through after death to the afterlife.

LoJ:

All thanks should be directed to God alone.


My humble advice is, don't force it. For most people it would be very disturbing if the veil is lifted.

Just focus on your spiritual development. When the right time comes, the veil shall be lifted, and you shall be granted access to the records of God.

And the way to spiritual development has nothing to do with a church or a religion. It is simply learning to love everyone, as yourself. Practice love, live by love, breathe love. As you do that, your base instincts such as lust, anger, revenge, wickedness, pride, jalousy, etc. will loose their grip over your soul. You will become a more and more loving person and righteous soul. And you will gradually live in accord with the laws of the universe. You will attract spiritual helpers, teachers to you, and your light will shine.

Then, it will be quite easy for you to remember past lives. You would have reached a state of purity and goodness, and the knowledge of the past, will not harm you in anyway.

I wish you all that is pure and noble.

Greetings.

yeah, I know what You mean... there were times I tried focusing on spiritual development...the more separated and given to love.. the more rich the experience, the more it is required to sacrifice all that makes us mere mortals.. lust, unforgiveness, pride, anger,sexual perversions etc.. whao!!!

stevecantrell:

Although I haven't made one yet, my argument is very plausible. But it would prove futile explaining it to one who's pre-judged the whole thing as crackpot.

It's like this, you're saying adding ten marks will give a person an advantage.

I'm saying there would be no advantage if everyone else got the same ten marks.

Whether or not I buy into this has nothing to do with the validity of the argument.

LoJ:

All thanks should be directed to God alone.


My humble advice is, don't force it. For most people it would be very disturbing if the veil is lifted.

Just focus on your spiritual development. When the right time comes, the veil shall be lifted, and you shall be granted access to the records of God.

And the way to spiritual development has nothing to do with a church or a religion. It is simply learning to love everyone, as yourself. Practice love, live by love, breathe love. As you do that, your base instincts such as lust, anger, revenge, wickedness, pride, jalousy, etc. will loose their grip over your soul. You will become a more and more loving person and righteous soul. And you will gradually live in accord with the laws of the universe. You will attract spiritual helpers, teachers to you, and your light will shine.

Then, it will be quite easy for you to remember past lives. You would have reached a state of purity and goodness, and the knowledge of the past, will not harm you in anyway.

I wish you all that is pure and noble.

Greetings.

...All Glory to GOD

bigfrancis21:


My best guess for this memory would be leaving the afterlife for earth, or passing or 'falling' through the tunnel to earth - the same tunnel NDErs report passing through after death to the afterlife.

Interesting.

A decade ago, I was dying in A&E in a European hospital, I was drowning in my own body fluids my lungs were filled. A bad reaction to a flu medication.

I was in pain, but the A&E nurses thought I was a drug addict trying to score some morphine. My cousin was screaming that I was medical but they did even look our way cos they could tell we were Nigerian...maybe trying to play the system...

I told my cousin goodbye, it was too hard to breathe at that point...I stopped struggling, waiting for the Tunnel of light...floating...angelic escorts...but nothing...just silence..and grey...

I then asked myself...grim reaper woke me up at 3am and now he's fashied me...and then the OXYGEN MASK was slapped rudely on my face !

It was clear then it wasn't my time.

bigfrancis21:


My best guess for this memory would be leaving the afterlife for earth, or passing or 'falling' through the tunnel to earth - the same tunnel NDErs report passing through after death to the afterlife.

...so what does it mean for a person to be from a water planet? is that in relation to past life? LoJ your contribution will be appreciated on this too

jayriginal:
...

My Brother Jayriginal . It's been a long time we have not exchanged. How is it on your side? I hope all is well.

Receive my noblest thoughts .

LoJ:

My Brother Jayriginal . It's been a long time we have not exchanged. How is it on your side? I hope all is well.

Receive my noblest thoughts .

Thank you LoJ

I'm fine, hope you are well?

stevecantrell:


Interesting.

A decade ago, I was dying in A&E in a European hospital, I was drowning in my own body fluids my lungs were filled. A bad reaction to a flu medication.

I was in pain, but the A&E nurses thought I was a drug addict trying to score some morphine. My cousin was screaming that I was medical but they did even look our way cos they could tell we were Nigerian...maybe trying to play the system...

I told my cousin goodbye, it was too hard to breathe at that point...I stopped struggling, waiting for the Tunnel of light...floating...angelic escorts...but nothing...just silence..and grey...

I then asked myself...grim reaper woke me up at 3am and now he's fashied me...and then the OXYGEN MASK was slapped rudely on my face !

It was clear then it wasn't my time.

Awww......"grim reaper woke me up at 3am and now he's fashied me...and then the OXYGEN MASK was slapped rudely on my face !"
...Lmao

jayriginal:


It's like this, you're saying adding ten marks will give a person an advantage.

I'm saying there would be no advantage if everyone else got the same ten marks.

Whether or not I buy into this has nothing to do with the validity of the argument.

I'm saying if you knew mistakes you made in a previous life, you probably wouldn't repeat them in your current life and as a result you can save yourself a lot of time, stress and even create good fortune for yourself.

Most of the mistakes we make today we also made before in a previous life, this is why a soul can reincarnate multiple times till it learns a particular lesson.

I don't think you get it, do you ?

BlaqCoffee109:
Awww......"grim reaper woke me up at 3am and now he's fashied me...and then the OXYGEN MASK was slapped rudely on my face !"
...Lmao

That's how it went down.
Had to have my chest drained and other nasty stuff, recovery was really a bitch.

I like how people talk about their spiritual experiences here.

This just confirms what I thought for some time. I see no contradiction with religion, except for the choice of birth parents. The birth is generational and through blood relatives. For that reason, the nation's that existed 2000 years ago are very much in existence. This is the reason why a prophecy from that era is very much a prophecy now, for the same people.

It is the reason why God has always dealt with people in their future generations. You'd ask what God gains by punishing a nation's 10th generation. He's punishing a spirit. And one reason why this is so is that spirits can live for thousands of years. There are thousand year old spirits walking among us, some in youthful bodies. (Note, these are the rulers of this world.)

So a spirit has a few thousand years to live but men, that they live through in this mortal world dies at 80. That spirit will need several tens of people to live as.

stevecantrell:


I'm saying if you knew mistakes you made in a previous life, you probably wouldn't repeat them in your current life and as a result you can save yourself a lot of time, stress and even create good fortune for yourself.

Most of the mistakes we make today we also made before in a previous life, this is why a soul can reincarnate multiple times till it learns a particular lesson.

I don't think you get it, do you ?

that word "reincarnation " !

stevecantrell:


I'm saying if you knew mistakes you made in a previous life, you probably wouldn't repeat them in your current life and as a result you can save yourself a lot of time, stress and even create good fortune for yourself.

Most of the mistakes we make today we also made before in a previous life, this is why a soul can reincarnate multiple times till it learns a particular lesson.

I don't think you get it, do you ?

Oh come on!

You're the one who doesn't get it. Go back to the part I quoted and address it. You were explaining why people aren't born with memories of previous lives weren't you?

You argued that it would give one tremendous advantage. I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying if one were to be born with prebirth memories, then all would be born with prebirth memories. No advantage.

You're one to talk about someone not getting it.

BlaqCoffee109:
that word "reincarnation " !

Yes I know it doesn't stick well with many pentecostals.

But they're many arguments that have Jesus talking about re-incarnation in the gospels.

For example, the disciples asked Jesus if a certain man was crippled as a result of his "father's sin". Some take that to be a euphemism for reincarnation.

Jews all over the world believe in reincarnation. A popular saying amon them : "A man without children is already dead".

Again, Jesus never took up any scribes or scholars on the subject, rejecting or condemning it.

But In Hebrews, Saint Paul asserts that "it is appointed for man to die once..." And that is where the controversy lie.

stevecantrell:


That's how it went down.
Had to have my chest drained and other nasty stuff, recovery was really a bitch.

stevecantrell:


Yes I know it doesn't stick well with many pentecostals.

But they're many arguments that have Jesus talking about re-incarnation in the gospels.

For example, the disciples asked Jesus if a certain man was crippled as a result of his "father's sin". Some take that to be a euphemism for reincarnation.

Jews all over the world believe in reincarnation. A popular saying amon them : "A man without children is already dead".

Again, Jesus never took up any scribes or scholars on the subject, rejecting or condemning it.

But In Hebrews, Saint Paul asserts that "it is appointed for man to die once..." And that is where the controversy lie.

..oh well, discuss for some other time... my personal take on this past life is... not everyone has a past life.. secondlythe people who did probably were not done with a particular task... thirdly, we already existed in the thought of GOD... passing through this earth plane is the fulfilment of that thought

jayriginal:


Oh come on!

You're the one who doesn't get it. Go back to the part I quoted and address it. You were explaining why people aren't born with memories of previous lives weren't you?

You argued that it would give one tremendous advantage. I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying if one were to be born with prebirth memories, then all would be born with prebirth memories. No advantage.

You're one to talk about someone not getting it.

In that case, the advantage is even greater. You spend the first 15 years of your life learning how to be a person in a world like this and by the time your 20 you realise you really haven't learned anything at all...but what is the age of your soul ?

Do you know where your soul has been ? the wonderful things it has experienced before coming here ?

Your soul (pre birth) has acquired more knowledge than microcosm that is earth.

But here you are, struggling with day to day mundane earthly issues. If you had access to such knowledge of what you truly are would you struggle for anything at all ?

Think about it ?

Muafrika2:
I like how people talk about their spiritual experiences here.

This just confirms what I thought for some time. I see no contradiction with religion, except for the choice of birth parents. The birth is generational and through blood relatives. For that reason, the nation's that existed 2000 years ago are very much in existence. This is the reason why a prophecy from that era is very much a prophecy now, for the same people.

It is the reason why God has always dealt with people in their future generations. You'd ask what God gains by punishing a nation's 10th generation. He's punishing a spirit. And one reason why this is so is that spirits can live for thousands of years. There are thousand year old spirits walking among us, some in youthful bodies. (Note, these are the rulers of this world.)

So a spirit has a few thousand years to live but men, that they live through in this mortal world dies at 80. That spirit will need several tens of people to live as.

interesting angle to it... also biblically supported!

LoJ:

The question was not adressed to me. Nonetheless, if I may give my own opinion.

There are 2 ways I know of, that may enable one to have access to pre birth memories. One is safe but difficult, the other one is somehow easy, but dangerous.

The easiest one but very dangerous, is hypnotic regression. You actually have nothing to do apart from visiting a psychanalyst or an expert. But it is very dangerous. Depending on your level of spiritual growth, you may be exposed to dangers from your past lives, past memories, of wicked entities in the astral and ethereal worlds. It also depends on the specialist doing the job.

Bear in mind the reasons why the veil is put after birth. It is (among other reasons) to prevent us from former experiences which could be detrimental to us. Imagine if you remember someone in a former life that raped you and had your whole family killed. You may be tempted to look for his descendants in this life and carry out some form of revenge. Some trauma/drama of past lives should not be remembered until one reaches a certain degree of spiritual development. Which brings me to the second way:

With spiritual development, after some time, one reaches a stage where he is granted access to the records of the divine. Some call it the Book of life, some the Akashic records, etc. Then he can have knowledge of almost everything that happened in the past with great accuracy. In a sense, the Akashic records are the truest and most accurate records of history. And from the Akashi records, prophecies and predictions can be made with great accuracy. Knowledge is drawn from the Akashic usually in the form of vivid and living images, that can be seen with the inner eyes.

I insist on the fact that, it is only after deep spiritual development that one can be given (true) access to the Akashic records. The divine order makes sure that no one may have access to it, out of curiosity or with evil intend. Only those who have developped internally up to a considerable extent, and are therefore beyond worthless considerations of pride, revenge, anger, and the right like, can have access to it for their spiritual development.

Such a person may then have accurate knowledge of who he was, how many times he was on earth, and so on. He may also know in details, the true life of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mohamed, and other mysteries which are usually distorted by religions and religious teachings.

This is my humble perception on the issue, backed my experience. Feel free to reject it, or critize it, especially if it does not resonate as true in the depths of your heart.

Greetings to you all.

You were right in most of what you said. However, for the danger of hypnosis which you mentioned as meeting astral beings, well actually in hypnosis your soul does not leave your body to access the akashic records but instead you are taken deep down to your subconscious memory to access these memories buried deep within your subconsciousness. Thus, there is no possibility of meeting astral beings during a hypnosis. This is possible, however, during an out of body experience (OBE) where the soul consciously leaves the body temporarily and returns after.