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brocab:
A question you need to ask yourself?
You can't work out what Church I am from? Come on you can't be this silly? I am a born again Christian.

Like I said earlier, they will say they have found jesus but cannot disclose the church they associate with.

1 peter 2:24 "He himself bore our sins, in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by His wounds you have been healed.
John 1:29 "The next day John saw Jesus coming towards him, and said "look the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Jesus bored all our sins-Sin is sin-Did you cast Him out of your church too?

would have answered you, but I just see it as diversionary, cus I'm sure you dnt believe that Jesus is a sinner cus he bore our sins. and if you dnt believe that, it's an irony for you to ask if we expelled jesus, it's just shows your aim.

Romans 5:12 "Therefore one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because all sinned.
And no-ones condoning sin, it's flesh and blood that sins, what makes you the judge?

I do not judge, but the scriptures has (as mentioned several times to you)stated what should be done to one who commits such sins( as mentioned in the scriptures) and does not repent.

your drive to find fault in the way Jehovahs withnesses handle sinners among them has made you not to tell us on this thread how ur church handles someone who is a fornicator and does not change his ways. You offer no solution, but you are just out to find fault.

If you looked deep into a man's heart, usually something is bothering him, but because no-one is listening to him, of course his out break could be fatal.
Leaving one Church into another doesn't mean the man's a drunkard or a fornicator, it just means he may need a little counselling, and if he refuses that, then its best to give him space, behind closed doors no-one knows who this man is, until he reveals himself, the flesh don't care.

brocab, we are not handling assumptions here, we are talking bout a confirmed person that fornicates and is a drunkard!, one who has been proven beyond doubt that he commits those sins. tell us how your church handles such one.

Have you not heard love your God with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbour as yourself.

loving your neighbour does not give you a right or a leeway in condoning sin!.

You are starting to sound more like the prosperity preachers who uses old testament laws for gain-don't you realize the laws of Moses were made in the flesh.

So the book of 1 Corinthians and 2 John where I quoted the directives to you are from the old testament right? as said before, you only see what you want to see, you wunt see scriptures that shows you your doctrine is false, you wunt quote then, neither will you explain them. I wonder where I quoted the law of moses concerning expelling someone from the Christian congregation.

Romans 7:5 "For when we in the realm of the flesh the simple passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so we bore fruit of death.
Galatians 3:10 "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written, cursed is everybody who does not continual to do everything written in the book of the law.
Galatians 2:16 "Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:2-3 "Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life have set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did be sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. So He condemned sin in the flesh.
Yes He took away that old fleshly law. Two new laws were given love thus God with all your heart soul and mind, and love your neighbour as yourselves.

another diversionary tactic. It does not tell how your church deal with one who fornicates and does not repent.

You are quick to call me a liar, but you haven't produced any evidence yourself, does this mean you can't get your hands on the 1981 issue And you want me to prove the evidence for you.

haha, you've just shown us you can't post the content of that Watchtower on these thread, cus you dnt want people to examine it with the lies you stated in your post.
It is one who wants to show that a book contains something that will provide the contents of the book to show that what he or she is saying is true, but you can't do that as doing so will show you lied. imagine , wanting me to proviDe proof of words I said does not exist.

A very important part of that page of the Watchtower was posted to you, but you can't see it as usual, if you saw it , you wunt say I did not provide evidence.

Is it the case JW's aren't allowed to read up any other doctrines other then the Watchtowers Mags. Why is that? Is it because even you yourself may find some hidden secrets the Church don't want you to see, and the truth will set you free. Satan wouldn't want that to happen, why would he.

you are of those that will read books made by followers of those that don't serve God cus you are looking for hidden secrets. you try to change the topic to issues of the watchtower cus you can't agree with the numerous scriptures I've been quoting for you so far. You complain it's from the Watchtower, I told you its from the scriptures, you now shifted and say it's from the NWT , I decided to quote some specific verses from the KJv, even went further to quote from the two translations, but yet you will not see it, you will not read from the scriptures you claim to follow.

You say you do not Judge, and yet you have Judged, what happens in a Church stays in the Church.
Have you yourself witnessed these so called fornicators, these drunkards, these Idolaters,yourself?

Usually if the Churches see's a man woman or Child committing a crime of such, and someone catches them in the act, yes its right to talk to them about it, and if they don't listen, then its right for that person and two elders to front up with him/her about the matter.
The elders of the Church can ask the man woman and child to be remove from the Church, but they can't disqualified them from their Christian faith, their matter is with the lord, and if they choose to stay with Christ, then they need to stop doing what crimes they had committed and return themselves back as Christians. No man has any rights to take God away from them, nor have any rights to condemn them for eternity, from Christ Himself.
We have choices to make-we choose to walk with Christ-or we choose not with Christ. We have people from all walks of life they come and go as they please. We all war against the principality and against the demons in this world.
I have found none that's prefect, and Christians have sometimes their up's and down's. Like you! Like me! True Christians know Christ, have you heard of the saying My sheep knows My voice. Do understand the story about the tares and the wheat, at the end of the harvest, first the wheat will be gathered into the barns, while the tares will be throwing into the fire.
Have you heard about when Jesus said: many are called but few are chosen.

dolphinheart:
Like I said earlier, they will say they have found jesus but cannot disclose the church they associate with.


would have answered you, but I just see it as diversionary, cus I'm sure you dnt believe that Jesus is a sinner cus he bore our sins. and if you dnt believe that, it's an irony for you to ask if we expelled jesus, it's just shows your aim.


I do not judge, but the scriptures has (as mentioned several times to you)stated what should be done to one who commits such sins( as mentioned in the scriptures) and does not repent.

your drive to find fault in the way Jehovahs withnesses handle sinners among them has made you not to tell us on this thread how ur church handles someone who is a fornicator and does not change his ways. You offer no solution, but you are just out to find fault.


brocab, we are not handling assumptions here, we are talking bout a confirmed person that fornicates and is a drunkard!, one who has been proven beyond doubt that he commits those sins. tell us how your church handles such one.



loving your neighbour does not give you a right or a leeway in condoning sin!.


So the book of 1 Corinthians and 2 John where I quoted the directives to you are from the old testament right? as said before, you only see what you want to see, you wunt see scriptures that shows you your doctrine is false, you wunt quote then, neither will you explain them. I wonder where I quoted the law of moses concerning expelling someone from the Christian congregation.



another diversionary tactic. It does not tell how your church deal with one who fornicates and does not repent.


haha, you've just shown us you can't post the content of that Watchtower on these thread, cus you dnt want people to examine it with the lies you stated in your post.
It is one who wants to show that a book contains something that will provide the contents of the book to show that what he or she is saying is true, but you can't do that as doing so will show you lied. imagine , wanting me to proviDe proof of words I said does not exist.

A very important part of that page of the Watchtower was posted to you, but you can't see it as usual, if you saw it , you wunt say I did not provide evidence.



you are of those that will read books made by followers of those that don't serve God cus you are looking for hidden secrets. you try to change the topic to issues of the watchtower cus you can't agree with the numerous scriptures I've been quoting for you so far. You complain it's from the Watchtower, I told you its from the scriptures, you now shifted and say it's from the NWT , I decided to quote some specific verses from the KJv, even went further to quote from the two translations, but yet you will not see it, you will not read from the scriptures you claim to follow.

brocab:
How many times do I have to write who Jesus is to you. Your bible describes the same description who's coming back to collect His people Revelation 1:7-8 "NTW and the KJ Bibles both show us Jehovah God and Jesus are both the same person.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Now we couldn't have two with the same names, now could we? Unless the bibles are telling us they are one person?

and you just confirmed that your doctrine is false. by your statement, you are telling us that no God gave jesus the Revelation he gave to John as recorded in verse one, by your statements, you are also telling us that Jesus has no God like verse 6 tells us.
You re also have hiprocricy in you, as you have always accused Jehovahs withnesses of not worshiping jesus but jehovah.
that same quality would not allow you to tell us if jesus is same person as the father or same person as the one sitted on the throne. remember, you had earlier said one of them will come , this indicates they are more than one person.

Before I tell you more about Jehovah, I'll like to remind you to quit adding to what the scriptures says,the word "coming back" is not found in rev 1:7,8.

now who is Jehovah,? David tells us he is the God of isreal.
1 chr 17 :24: May your name endure and be exalted forever, so that people may say, ‘Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, is God to Israel,’ and may the house of your servant David be firmly established before you.
in Psalms David also said he is the maker of the earth.
Ps 124:8O : ur help is in the name of Jehovah, The Maker of heaven and earth.”
he also said:
Ps 97:9: For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods.
isaiah said:
Isa 45:18 : For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
Paul further said:
Ro 3:29: Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of people of the nations? Yes, also of people of the nations.
Jehovah himself said he does not change in mal 3:6
and he said in Exodus 6:3( and this time I used the kjv)
King James Version
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Michai said:
1Ki 22:19: Mi·caiʹah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left.


The scriptures(below) indicated the Jehovah called himself the father of the isrealites and the isrealites called Jehovah their father.
jer 3:19, jer 31: 9, isa 63: 16, isa 64:8, Deut 32:6, 1 chr 29:10, mal 1: 6, mal 2:10.

Though there are thousands of scripture verses I could refer to about Jehovah, this one's will do for now, you might not read them anyway.
from all the verses posted above, we have learned the following
1. Jehovah is the almighty God, the name of the almighty God is Jehovah.
2. jehovah is the God of isreal
3. Jehovah is also the God of gentiles who accept him as their God.
4. Jehovah is the creature of the earth.
5. Jehovah is the most high God.
6. Jehovah is the father of the isrealites.
7. jehovah is the one who sits on the throne.

There are also Scriptural verses about Jehovah as the one sitted on the throne and residing in heaven, you can check it if you are interested.

Now that the scriptures had clarified some things about jehovah let us check what jesus said about these things to know if jesus is Jehovah or not.

1. did Jesus say he is almighty God to signify he is Jehovah?NO!, at no time did Jesus ever say that he is the almighty God, he had several times stated that he is the son of God, and his disciples repeat ed this truth.
Kjv
Ps 45:7: Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

2 did Jesus state he is the God of isreal of the world? No!
kjv
Joh 5:36: But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.(God sent jesus, the father sent jesus, the father is God and not jesus)read 1 John 5:9
kjv
Ac 17:30,31 :And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.( the person who raised and the person who was raised are not the same person).
Ac 2:22: “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.(The person that did things nd the person through whom things are done are not the same person)

3 did Jesus call himself the God of the gentiles? no

4.did Jesus or the scriptures call himself the most high God? NO! jesus and others writers of the scriptures tell us that Jesus has a God!(an issue you refuse to talk about), therefore he is not the most high God.
Joh 20:17.
2Co 1:3: Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,
RoM 15:6: so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Kjv
2Co 11:31: The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Kjv
Eph 1:3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Kjv
Eph 1:17: That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Kjv
1Pe 1:3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
kjv
Mr 5:7: And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
kjv
Lu 1:32: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
rev 1:6(a verse you have refused to acknowledge nor respond to):
and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

5 did Jesus call himself the father of the isrealites?No!
kjv
Joh 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 5:19[b]Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.[/b]

6 did Jesus call himself the only true God? NO!, on the contrary he called the father the only true God, as jesus is not the same person as the father(an issue you have refused to comment on)therefore jesus is not the only true God.
kjv
Joh 17:1 to 3: These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


7.did the scriptures indicate that Jesus is Jehovah? NO!
Mic 5: 4
He will stand up and shepherd in the strength of Jehovah, In the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God. And they will dwell in security, For now his greatness will reach the ends of the earth.


8. was jesus sent by God? yes, God did not send himself!
kjv
Joh 3:2,16,17, 32: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

9. is jesus the one sitting on the throne? NO!
kjv
Heb 8:1: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Ps 110:1: Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
kjv
Ac 7:55,56: But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


brocab, I've used the scriptures to show you that
1. Jesus is not the God of isreal, therefore jesus is not Jehovah
2. Jesus is not the almighty God, therefore he is not Jehovah
3. Jesus has a God, therefore he is not the almighty God.
4. Jesus is the son of God , therefore he is not the father, he is not the father of the isrealites , therefore he is not Jehovah.
5. E jesus and the scriptures acknowledge the father to be superior to him, therefore jesus is not the almighty God and so jesus is not Jehovah.
6. prophecies that the name Jehovah was mentioned indicated that he is not sending himself as Messiah but sending someone else, showing that the messenger, Jesus is not jehovah
7. Jesus at no point ever said he is God Almighty.

brocab, Jesus is not Jehovah and you lie with your doctrine

It doesn't matter which way the scriptures shows us, who Jesus really is, you will never believe it, because the spirit in you is not the same as the Spirit of God.

you are talking about yourself, you do not a acknowledge the scriptures, you do not tell your view about the scriptures you are asked to talk about.
For example you want to talk about verse 7 and 8, but refuse to explain verse 6 of rev 1.

Which makes life a little harder for you to understand the scriptures.

everyone can see that I've not only been quoting the scriptures, but explaining my understandings of the scriptures that you quoted without giving your understanding of it.

Have you ever falling in love with that special person? Someone you have been so touched by, your insides are feeling overly realm, just being around this person. Every minute of the day, your thoughts cant stop thinking about that person. Your aim is to get to know that person, and while the seconds are counting, all you want is to be with that person. You just know deep within your spirit and her/his Spirit is connected with you.

Jesus said , love thy God with your whole heart, who did Jesus tell us that God is? The father, Jehovah!

Have you ever falling in love?

yep

Now I am not expecting to answer this-you may be one of those who have been torn apart from a relationship, and you may find it hard to love another soul.

your assumptions are wrong and diversionary

Well this sort of love, even better I have for Jesus, my aim is to know who He is, where He is from, why do I love this man so much? Who is this man? And why is He in my thoughts every day? And why do I feel so connected to Him? And why do I believe His Spirit lives in my spirit inside Me. And why do I do' preaching His word? Thinking about His word? Acting on His word' and doing His word. And why do I want to be with that man.

and after you have aimed to know jesus, pls aim to know the true God,Jehovah, the father, the almighty. why ? cus jesus has told me that such knowledge, including the knowledge about him, the one sent by the true God Jehovah , means evalasting life. These are jesus words himself and you will see it as you aim to know jesus Christ. John 17: 1-3

And until one falls in love with Jesus, I suppose no-one knows the experiences or understand the essence of love.

I know God loves us so much that he could send jesus Christ to us.

a question for you brocab, who is the one talking here.(I m betting you will not answer sha)
rev 3: 2,12
kjv of verse 12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


you can read this scriptures also for beter understanding Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10;

brocab:
No-ones refusing nothing, you just can't get your head around it who Jesus is to you.

Then quote verse 1 and 6 of rev chapter 1 and tell us what you understand by what is written there. by doing so , you have shown us you are not refusing anything.
I know who Jesus is to me, he is the one who sent by God to tell us the truth about him, to show us the way to the father, and to provide a means by which we can gain evalasting life. He is the one who God has appointed and anointed to be our savior , to judge mankind and to bring God's people to God.
He is the king of God's kingdom, he is our savior and God has provided no other person to save us than his son jesus.

As far as you are concern He is just another man who walked the earth, If Jesus walked past you, you wouldn't even recognise Him.

Read above about who I think jesus is and stop this your false assumptions.

you sabi jesus physically ? abeg describe him for us! and where did you read that Jesus is going to walk on the earth again?

You wouldn't even recognise God coming, only unless God's Spirit enters into a Man's body, and both Spirit and flesh becomes One with each other. And still you wouldn't recognise Him.

you that is afraid to name your church is telling someone he can't recognize God, describe God for us, you that have seen God with the sprit in you.

brocab:
You say you do not Judge, and yet you have Judged, what happens in a Church stays in the Church.
Have you yourself witnessed these so called fornicators, these drunkards, these Idolaters,yourself?

and did they announce to you those they have disfellowshipped? or do they put a bulletin out to state that this person has been expelled for so so and so ?.
They do not judge, but if they find out that someone is committing the atrocities the scriptures says they should be disfellowshipped for, they follow Scriptural directives ok!
and those Scriptural directives is what you fail to see,despite that it has been posted for you to see, you still refuse to read it. you believe you are wise and can handle such issues you own way and b not the way that the scriptures tells us to.

Usually if the Churches see's a man woman or Child committing a crime of such, and someone catches them in the act, yes its right to talk to them about it, and if they don't listen, then its right for that person and two elders to front up with him/her about the matter.

good, now show us with proof that Jehovahs witnesses do things differently from the way you just stated. If you can't find none, then you show urself to the world to know who you are, ranting about an issue you know nothing about.

The elders of the Church can ask the man woman and child to be remove from the Church, but they can't disqualified them from their Christian faith, their matter is with the lord, and if they choose to stay with Christ, then they need to stop doing what crimes they had committed and return themselves back as Christians.

haha, you are just confessing small small, so what's the difference between removing as your church is reported to do (though I dnt believe you), and disfellowshipping as Jehovahs witnesses do? when you remove them, do you follow the scriptures directive about how you associate with them after you have removed them? guess you do not, that's why you refused to talk about that aspect.

Again I have to tell you, no one disqualifies anyone from their faith. you cant claim to follow jesus while committing fornication or being a drunkard na, it is a physical proof that you dnt follow Christ if you keep on committing fornication, hence the issue of being disqualified from their christian faith is somehow, cus they have disqualified themselves already, their disfellowshipping is just to keep the congregation clean in the eyes of Jehovah.

If they chose to follow jesus, they would not have been disfellowshipped! cus they would not have been commuting those sins to the point of being disfellowshipped.
and if they truly want to follow Christ, they would have confessed there sins and reported to the elders, with that, the issue of disfellowshipping might not come up.
and even to those who where disfellowshipped , they have all the chance in the world to get back to being a servant of Jehovah and a follower of Jesus. There are a lot of people I know who have done that.

I'm starting to believe that you do not know anything about this issue, but you just want to rant.

No man has any rights to take God away from them, nor have any rights to condemn them for eternity, from Christ Himself.

GOD IS NOT IN OR WITH A FORNICATOR, AN ADULTERER, ONE THAT STEALS!, if they want to be with God , they know what to do , and no one will stop them or deny them!

We have choices to make-we choose to walk with Christ-or we choose not with Christ. We have people from all walks of life they come and go as they please. We all war against the principality and against the demons in this world.
I have found none that's prefect, and Christians have sometimes their up's and down's. Like you! Like me! True Christians know Christ, have you heard of the saying My sheep knows My voice. Do understand the story about the tares and the wheat, at the end of the harvest, first the wheat will be gathered into the barns, while the tares will be throwing into the fire.
Have you heard about when Jesus said: many are called but few are chosen.

that is why the scriptures mentions forgiveness, chastising, re proving, setting things straight. If you read the scriptures you will realise that being disfellowshipped does not directly mean you will be destroyed, you can only be destroyed if you dnt change your ways and seek Jehovah and follow jesus righteous directives. One you have done that , Jehovah is ready to forgive your sins, clean up ur slate and make your path straight. you can only get this opportunity while alive, cus there is no forgiveness of sin if you die.
you show you love Jehovah and you do his will , the congregation is glad to help you get back into the fold of those that dislike sin.
everyone sins, but some people try not to make it deliberate, and if they deliberately do it due to weakness of the flesh, they know how to seek atonement and forgiveness, those one are not disfellowshipped, expelled, or removed. get it!

Calling yourself an JW, doesn't fit the bill of what church you are from either? And because I call myself a born again, what difference does it make which church I am from? The answer to this question is' we have two different type Christians.
What you should be asking is, what countries are we both From? And I am not from Africa.

dolphinheart:
Then quote verse 1 and 6 of rev chapter 1 and tell us what you understand by what is written there. by doing so , you have shown us you are not refusing anything.
I know who Jesus is to me, he is the one who sent by God to tell us the truth about him, to show us the way to the father, and to provide a means by which we can gain evalasting life. He is the one who God has appointed and anointed to be our savior , to judge mankind and to bring God's people to God.
He is the king of God's kingdom, he is our savior and God has provided no other person to save us than his son jesus.

Read above about who I think jesus is and stop this your false assumptions.

you sabi jesus physically ? abeg describe him for us! and where did you read that Jesus is going to walk on the earth again?

you that is afraid to name your church is telling someone he can't recognize God, describe God for us, you that have seen God with the sprit in you.

brocab:
Calling yourself an JW, doesn't fit the bill of what church you are from either?

is these your response to verse 1 and 6 of rev? said it a couple of times you can't talk about those verses cus it shows your doctrine to be false!, you have just proven, one more time that I'm right.

And because I call myself a born again, what difference does it make which church I am from?

a born again will not shy away from explaining Scriptural verses posed to him or her, it's someone who has something to hide that will not quote the scriptures.

Look at the question you asked again and tell me if it's reasonable or not, so it does not make a difference if you claim to be born again but yet you are attending a church that condones things the scriptures told us to be against. brocab, it's important that you should be proud to tell anyone the church you attend!

The answer to this question is' we have two different type Christians.

and yet you have just failed to tell us the two type of christians you have. And how does this affect naming your church, or quoting and explaining rev 1: 1,6.

What you should be asking is, what countries are we both From? And I am not from Africa.

and what does your location or country of origin or race have to do with the scriptures?
does location,race or country make you a better christian than others? or does it give you better access to the holy spirit than others not from the same place or race?
it seems you are running out of reasons not to quote or explain rev 1:1 and 6 and not to tell us the church you attend, which has made you to try to shift it(as always) to an irelivant issue. no one cares what country you come from brocab, except you are from a war torn region.

I have given you the truth about thr scriptures and you cant answer any of them. I suppose its only because you dont know any of them. It doesnt matter what verses revelalation 1:1-6 has to say, what matters is your bible had already agreed, who christ is. He is the one you worship not the father he is the father.
You keep on asking where is my church, Firstly what has my church got to do with any of the scriptures, but you keep on asking, its funny you say born agains dont shy away, and its more funny because JWs do.

dolphinheart:
is these your response to verse 1 and 6 of rev? said it a couple of times you can't talk about those verses cus it shows your doctrine to be false!, you have just proven, one more time that I'm right.


a born again will not shy away from explaining Scriptural verses posed to him or her, it's someone who has something to hide that will not quote the scriptures.

Look at the question you asked again and tell me if it's reasonable or not, so it does not make a difference if you claim to be born again but yet you are attending a church that condones things the scriptures told us to be against. brocab, it's important that you should be proud to tell anyone the church you attend!




and yet you have just failed to tell us the two type of christians you have. And how does this affect naming your church, or quoting and explaining rev 1: 1,6.

and what does your location or country of origin or race have to do with the scriptures?
does location,race or country make you a better christian than others? or does it give you better access to the holy spirit than others not from the same place or race?
it seems you are running out of reasons not to quote or explain rev 1:1 and 6 and not to tell us the church you attend, which has made you to try to shift it(as always) to an irelivant issue. no one cares what country you come from brocab, except you are from a war torn region.

brocab:
I have given you the truth about thr scriptures and you cant answer any of them.

you are lying again, throughout this thread, I've been proposing that you explain the bible verses you and I posted, and even on some of the verses you posted, for everyone to give an explanation when asked about his views on Bible verses. you have vehemently refused to give explanation, you have totally refused to even quote those scriptures, often time claiming it does not matter. often time I show you Scriptural verses telling you the truth, yet you refuse to see them, and even if you are forced to see them you totally refused to talk about them. an example of how you have been avoiding the scriptures yet Tryin to claim you show scripturAl truth is your present refusal to quote and explain revelation 1: 1,6.
Your refusal to quote and explain those verses(including the others you have neglected)is bourne out from the fact that your nature is governed by fault finding and not truth seeking. you refuse to examine rev 1:1 to 6, but go straight to verse 7 and 8 cus the initial verses 1 to 6 are too explicit and cannot be twisted by you to surpport your fault finding desire.

I suppose its only because you dont know any of them. It doesnt matter what verses revelalation 1:1-6 has to say, what matters is your bible had already agreed, who christ is. He is the one you worship not the father he is the father.

can you hear urself, that it does not matter what the word of God says!.
you know why it does not matter to you, it does not matter to you cus that's the only way you can find an excuse not to examine it's content. or rather, you have privately examined it's content and found out it is against your falsely generated and derived doctrines, and the only way to keep your doctrines afloat is to say some verses in the scriptures does not matter.
well I tell you brocab, God knew that people like you will exist, that's why he had John record those words found at rev 1:1 to 6, so that whichever way or angle you use to cover the truth up, individuals who are seaching for the truth will find it. Because you can't cover the truth up any longer, you now says it does not matter.

You keep on asking where is my church, Firstly what has my church got to do with any of the scriptures, but you keep on asking, its funny you say born agains dont shy away, and its more funny because JWs do.

first, I've never at any time asked you where your church is, so stop these attempted diversion. The location of your church or you yourself does not matter to me.

I've asked you to tell the world your church for the following reasons.
1. Your church will tell us about the doctrines you believe in, and everyone will be able to know if the church is true or not. And if you do not believe the doctrines of your church, then you are not supposed to attend such church.
2. The initial reasons for asking the name of your church is to check if it's true that your church follows Scriptural directives when it comes to how to deal with sinners in its midst. to examine if your words are true or false.
3. Another reason to know your church is for everyone to examine if truly , a person who claims to have to the holy spirit in him is associating with an organization that displays the fruits of the holy spirit.

you have so far, up till this moment shown you can't tell people about the church you attend, that you are afraid to reveal your church and thus will continue to bring up excuses rather than just tell people the church you attend.
I'm sure people reading these posts will know you as someone desiring to throw stones while living in a glass house.

In your desperate bid to alter the truth, you have so far refused to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. you have read those verses and you know that quoting or explaining those verses will show the world you are a liar and a propagator of false doctrines, hence your refusal to talk about them.

Are you a Jehovahs witness?No!, so even is you say they shy away, why not show them the right way and prove them wrong by not shying away from telling people your church!

Dolphinheart ... Well done bro ! I pray Jehovah God continue to be with you.


Bro brocab ... Make una tell the name of your church, lets see if they follow the scripture regarding what is to be done concerning an unrepentant sinner

samted:
1 peter 3 vs 18 - 20 will disagree with you. Thats where the Bible talks about Jesus being made alive in the spirit to free the spirits that were imprisoned for their disobedience before the great flood.

Seriously are you kidding me?

brocab:
You really don't understand the scriptures do you. Of course they all received the holy Spirit, but Peter was the one out of them all, who always wanted to prove himself towards Jesus.

I disagree. Peter was one out of them who was mostly outspoken.

brocab:
You say you do not Judge, and yet you have Judged, what happens in a Church stays in the Church.
Have you yourself witnessed these so called fornicators, these drunkards, these Idolaters,yourself?

Usually if the Churches see's a man woman or Child committing a crime of such, and someone catches them in the act, yes its right to talk to them about it, and if they don't listen, then its right for that person and two elders to front up with him/her about the matter.
The elders of the Church can ask the man woman and child to be remove from the Church, but they can't disqualified them from their Christian faith, their matter is with the lord, and if they choose to stay with Christ, then they need to stop doing what crimes they had committed and return themselves back as Christians. No man has any rights to take God away from them, nor have any rights to condemn them for eternity, from Christ Himself.
We have choices to make-we choose to walk with Christ-or we choose not with Christ. We have people from all walks of life they come and go as they please. We all war against the principality and against the demons in this world.
I have found none that's prefect, and Christians have sometimes their up's and down's. Like you! Like me! True Christians know Christ, have you heard of the saying My sheep knows My voice. Do understand the story about the tares and the wheat, at the end of the harvest, first the wheat will be gathered into the barns, while the tares will be throwing into the fire.
Have you heard about when Jesus said: many are called but few are chosen.

We witness to anyone and everyone.
We would never see someone and not talk to them about Gods kingdom cos of his appearance or actions.
And we've had members who was drunkards,fornicators and so on before finding the truth.
We do not discriminate.

And you are right when our members commit atrocities we discipline them not disqualify them.
They can come to meetings while working towards their repentence and this is not wrong since the bible concurs to it. Whoever told you we take away people's belief in God?

And we know about the bible saying many are called and few are chosen.

We all war against sins and when we do wrong Jehovah we should be disciplined so as to get back on track.
You've never heard have you,that only a loving father disciplines their child.

Peter tried to prove himself to Jesus, get behind Me Satan, for you do not know what you are saying.

Sarang:
I disagree. Peter was one out of them who was mostly outspoken.

I am a born again Christian, a pentecostal believer.
What don't you understand, claiming to be a JW does not provide any evidence you are a true believer in Christ. None so far what you have showing me makes any sense, your bible says one thing' and you say another trying to convict your own bible.
Revelation 1:1-8 "Tells us clearly who Jesus is' Jehovah God" and you in your own miserable power are trying to confuse the idea your bible didn't even write such a verse, I am the Alpha and the Omega says Jehovah God.
Verse 4 "which is, which was, and which is to come, this sure tells us clearly who this is-and if you believe its, Jehovah God, then you must believe Jehovah God is Jesus, or maybe you are trying to draw my attention away from this scripture because you believe this is a misprint written by the JW's?
Plus you have failed to answer every question I have laid out on this page, and yet true believers don't lie against the truth like you and your followers do, which church' what Church doesn't really matter, its the fruit we judge by, and so far, I have witnessed the JW's speak with fork tongue, nothing makes any sense in the NWT bible literature, It says one thing and convicts its own writings in the other, no-wonder we and the JW's are confused.
plus It's important for us viewers to know your secrets, about the corruptions that happens within the walls of the JW's organization. Firstly you should know about yourselves, before you claim any judgement against any other church that stands for Christ.

CANTICLES:
Dolphinheart ... Well done bro ! I pray Jehovah God continue to be with you.


Bro brocab ... Make una tell the name of your church, lets see if they follow the scripture regarding what is to be done concerning an unrepentant sinner

I like reading the rubbish you write on this page, you write so much rubbish, not even you could believe in it.
I was pointing out scriptures that I found that's written in your own bible, and you still don't understand any of the verses?
I am not reading from the Watchtower mags, what would make it easier if you would just sit down and read your bible, and then tell me why you believe the scriptures in your bible had convicted themselves, that not even you believe, And while you decide to sort this mess out, you could explain why you don't follow after your own kind.
The Jehovah witnesses have made God equal with Jesus Christ, having these same qualifications naming "Jesus" Jehovah God is your Alpha and the Omega, who was dead and now alive for evermore, and yet you are denying your bible had even wrote such a doctrine, explain to me why don't you believe what the JW's had written? It is in black and white-with colour. Revelation 1:7-8.
Revelation 1:1:6 "Form which is, and which was, and which is to come.
This must be a misprint on the JW's behalf, not even you can even believe it. Nor understand it.
The description that's written' shows us viewers the JW's believe that Jehovah is {CHRIST HIMSELF}

dolphinheart:
you are lying again, throughout this thread, I've been proposing that you explain the bible verses you and I posted, and even on some of the verses you posted, for everyone to give an explanation when asked about his views on Bible verses. you have vehemently refused to give explanation, you have totally refused to even quote those scriptures, often time claiming it does not matter. often time I show you Scriptural verses telling you the truth, yet you refuse to see them, and even if you are forced to see them you totally refused to talk about them. an example of how you have been avoiding the scriptures yet Tryin to claim you show scripturAl truth is your present refusal to quote and explain revelation 1: 1,6.
Your refusal to quote and explain those verses(including the others you have neglected)is bourne out from the fact that your nature is governed by fault finding and not truth seeking. you refuse to examine rev 1:1 to 6, but go straight to verse 7 and 8 cus the initial verses 1 to 6 are too explicit and cannot be twisted by you to surpport your fault finding desire.



can you hear urself, that it does not matter what the word of God says!.
you know why it does not matter to you, it does not matter to you cus that's the only way you can find an excuse not to examine it's content. or rather, you have privately examined it's content and found out it is against your falsely generated and derived doctrines, and the only way to keep your doctrines afloat is to say some verses in the scriptures does not matter.
well I tell you brocab, God knew that people like you will exist, that's why he had John record those words found at rev 1:1 to 6, so that whichever way or angle you use to cover the truth up, individuals who are seaching for the truth will find it. Because you can't cover the truth up any longer, you now says it does not matter.



first, I've never at any time asked you where your church is, so stop these attempted diversion. The location of your church or you yourself does not matter to me.

I've asked you to tell the world your church for the following reasons.
1. Your church will tell us about the doctrines you believe in, and everyone will be able to know if the church is true or not. And if you do not believe the doctrines of your church, then you are not supposed to attend such church.
2. The initial reasons for asking the name of your church is to check if it's true that your church follows Scriptural directives when it comes to how to deal with sinners in its midst. to examine if your words are true or false.
3. Another reason to know your church is for everyone to examine if truly , a person who claims to have to the holy spirit in him is associating with an organization that displays the fruits of the holy spirit.

you have so far, up till this moment shown you can't tell people about the church you attend, that you are afraid to reveal your church and thus will continue to bring up excuses rather than just tell people the church you attend.
I'm sure people reading these posts will know you as someone desiring to throw stones while living in a glass house.

In your desperate bid to alter the truth, you have so far refused to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. you have read those verses and you know that quoting or explaining those verses will show the world you are a liar and a propagator of false doctrines, hence your refusal to talk about them.

Are you a Jehovahs witness?No!, so even is you say they shy away, why not show them the right way and prove them wrong by not shying away from telling people your church!

brocab:
Peter tried to prove himself to Jesus, get behind Me Satan, for you do not know what you are saying.

He wasn't calling peter Satan. but Peter was a human and who as a human would want their friend to die?
Peter mearnt well and Jesus knew it but he also know that he has to die and it is important at that time.

So he was in effect saying to peter,do not let human emotions and thinking to make you to try to stop me from the will of my father. For if Jesus hadn't die,yes Satan will win. And also he wasn't mad at peter.

Its the words Peter had spoken, Jesus had rebuked-Why because Jesus knew Peter would deny Jesus 3 times in his own flesh.
Would he deny Jesus in the Spirit "NO"
So the words Peter spoke were words spoken in his own flesh, not in the Spirit, so Jesus said get behind Me Satan.
Peter trying to protect his friend, wasn't done in the Spirit. but in Peter's flesh he had spoken.
So yes Jesus was directly speaking to Peter. Don't forget we war against our flesh everyday, against the principalities and the darkness of this world.
So do you use violence against another, all would you prefer to pray for another?

Sarang:
He wasn't calling peter Satan. but Peter was a human and who as a human would want their friend to die?
Peter mearnt well and Jesus knew it but he also know that he has to die and it is important at that time.

So he was in effect saying to peter,do not let human emotions and thinking to make you to try to stop me from the will of my father. For if Jesus hadn't die,yes Satan will win. And also he wasn't mad at peter.

brocab:
Its the words Peter had spoken, Jesus had rebuked-Why because Jesus knew Peter would deny Jesus 3 times in his own flesh.
Would he deny Jesus in the Spirit "NO"
So the words Peter spoke were words spoken in his own flesh, not in the Spirit, so Jesus said get behind Me Satan.
Peter trying to protect his friend, wasn't done in the Spirit. but in Peter's flesh he had spoken.
So yes Jesus was directly speaking to Peter. Don't forget we war against our flesh everyday, against the principalities and the darkness of this world.
So do you use violence against another, all would you prefer to pray for another?

Yes Peter had spoken in the flesh. like I said before he was human. But Jesus didnt said get me behind me Satan to Peter because he knew he was going to deny him. Jesus would never use a person's weakness against that one. Jesus understand humans perfectly having lived as one himself. Infact Peter was the only one strong enough to follow Jesus when he was caught. But did he accused the other disciples that ran away as Satans? No. Because he knew that Just like Peter,they were afraid because obviously they were Imperfect humans.

And as Jehovahs servants we do not use violence against each other or even our neighbours who are not Jehovahs witnesses.. in fact we do not partake in warfare. Many of our members are in prison in different countries because they refused to carry arms example South Korea. During the first,second world and subsequent wars many of our members were prosecuted because they refuse to carry arms. yes you are right,we pray for each other. Jehovah wants each one of the people to recieve his gift of life eternal likewise we want them to too.

Satan had also used Judus, like he did with Peter, and Jesus rebuked both of them.
Only because Peter and Judus did not understand the fruit of the spirit Jesus was teaching His disciples. Both allowed the flesh to ruin their lives.
Judus was found dead of suicidal' in the flesh that's a difficult decision to make. Don't forget Judus understood his flesh-more then he understood the spirit, So who was Judus listening too, to make his final leap.
Peter was their while Jesus was captured, denying Him 3 times as Jesus had predicted it..
But it was John who stood at the foot of the cross. Not Peter.
Your not understanding its the flesh we war against everyday the principalities and the darkness in this world, the demons of this world can course our flesh to stumble, if we are not tuning into the word of God to build up our spiritual armour, then we are weak-and our weakness will always course us to fall.
So the words Jesus had spoken to Him, were spoken to Peter's weaknesses he had in the flesh..
Peter wanted to prove his point to Jesus at all times, in the flesh Peter cut of the guards ear, and it was Jesus who laid his hand healing that same guard, Peter wanted to destroy.
So you see the flesh and the spirit can't work together-matter of fact they work against each other. Our flesh will always turn away from the word of God, flesh is blind, it can only see fleshly worldly things. Spiritual knowledge will always lead us to the love of Christ.
Jesus said to Peter get behind Me Satan.

Sarang:
Yes Peter had spoken in the flesh. like I said before he was human. But Jesus didnt said get me behind me Satan to Peter because he knew he was going to deny him. Jesus would never use a person's weakness against that one. Jesus understand humans perfectly having lived as one himself. Infact Peter was the only one strong enough to follow Jesus when he was caught. But did he accused the other disciples that ran away as Satans? No. Because he knew that Just like Peter,they were afraid because obviously they were Imperfect humans.

And as Jehovahs servants we do not use violence against each other or even our neighbours who are not Jehovahs witnesses.. in fact we do not partake in warfare. Many of our members are in prison in different countries because they refused to carry arms example South Korea. During the first,second world and subsequent wars many of our members were prosecuted because they refuse to carry arms. yes you are right,we pray for each other. Jehovah wants each one of the people to recieve his gift of life eternal likewise we want them to too.

@ brocab

I like reading the rubbish you write on this page, you write so much rubbish, not even you could believe in it.

I quoted from the scriptures to you, mostimes using the bible translation you agree with. My explanations where based on those scriptures, I did not formulate any. for the fact that you cannot give an explanation on the scriptures I quoted for you, or counter the explanations on those scriptures with your own explanation shows that you know I'm telling you the truth, but pride and hypocrisy is hindering you from accepting it. You are a politician, cus only politicians call something rubish without giving further explanations. There are several points, each point numbered, each point backed up by several scritural quotes denoting that jesus and jehovah are not the same person. One of those scriptures you could not quote, one of those explanations you could not counter, yet you keep saying its rubish. Your aim is evident, your desire is clear for all to see, you just want to find fault with the truth, but giving an explanation on the fault is impossible for you to do.

I was pointing out scriptures that I found that's written in your own bible, and you still don't understand any of the verses?

In your search for faults, you saw rev 1:7,8. You Thought that you could use only those verses to find fault. Apart from the fact that I told you to extent the verses and start from verse one to show you are a liar, I went one to quote several scriptures(more than ten) to show you that jesus and the father are not the same person. You have not been able to explain you view on the numerous scriptures I quoted, neither have you been able to quote rev: 1,6 talkless of giving explanations on it.

I even went on to ask you to tell us who was talking in rev 3:2,12, but I can bet, that on your private reading of those verses, you have seen that the scriptures will show you are lying if you dare to quote or explain those verses, hence you keep on acting repeatedly as if those questions do not exist. Your best defense is to claim I do not understand those verses.

I am not reading from the Watchtower mags, what would make it easier if you would just sit down and read your bible, and then tell me why you believe the scriptures in your bible had convicted themselves, that not even you believe, And while you decide to sort this mess out, you could explain why you don't follow after your own kind.

Those numerous scriptures I quoted to you are from both the nwt and kjv versions and not the watchtower magazine. So its funny that you should say I should sit down and read the bible , when throughout our discussion, I've been quoting from the bible, and I've been asking you to explain several quotes from the bible. You are just trying to change the subject one again.

The Jehovah witnesses have made God equal with Jesus Christ, having these same qualifications naming "Jesus" Jehovah God is your Alpha and the Omega, who was dead and now alive for evermore, and yet you are denying your bible had even wrote such a doctrine, explain to me why don't you believe what the JW's had written? It is in black and white-with colour. Revelation 1:7-8.

You are a liar brocab, adding words and not quoting those verses show you are a twister of the scriptures!.
I've told you to clear verse 1 to 6 first, before going to verse 7 and 8, but your desire to find fault will not allow you to.

Revelation 1:1:6 "Form which is, and which was, and which is to come.
This must be a misprint on the JW's behalf, not even you can even believe it. Nor understand it.
The description that's written' shows us viewers the JW's believe that Jehovah is {CHRIST HIMSELF}

Can you see how much of a liar you are? You can't even quote verses 1 to 6 of revelation chapter one. Everyone can see that you do know that you are not speaking the truth, hence your refusal to quote those verses, attempting to pick few words out of those 6 verses shows your hypocrisy. QUOTE THE WHILE VERSE 1 TO 6 OF REV CHP 1 FROM ANY TRANSLATION OF YOUR CHOICE BROCAB!. DO SO AND LET PEOPLE REALISE THEIR IS A LIAR BEHIND THE MONIKER!!!

I understand those verses, it Goes along with other verses in the scriptures. It goes along with jesus statements that he has a father, that the father is greater than him , that the father is the God of jesus, that the father is the " ONLY TRUE GOD". It goes along with the disciples statement that jesus has a God and father. It goes along with rev chapter 1 verse 1 where john recorded it that it is God that gave the revelation to jesus. It surely goes along with hebrews 1:9 where it is recorded that God called himself the God of the one he annointed. It goes along with Stephens vision. It goes along with angel Gabriel words to mary and jesus words to mary in which he instructed her to tell the disciples that " he had not yet ascended to his GOD AND FATHER!!"

This means evalasting life brocab, having the knowledge of the only true God, and of the one he sent to us, jesus Christ.
Note: you are making a good attempt at diverting from telling us your church. Its always easy to talk about others when you are sure they dnt know anything about you. But everyone will notice that you are hiding something! You are afraid to mention your church cus you know they dnt follow scriptural instructions!

brocab:
I am a born again Christian, a pentecostal believer.
What don't you understand, claiming to be a JW does not provide any evidence you are a true believer in Christ. None so far what you have showing me makes any sense, your bible says one thing' and you say another trying to convict your own bible.

My claims, your beliefs, your spiritual standing does not stop your from telling us the name of your church .

Revelation 1:1-8 "Tells us clearly who Jesus is' Jehovah God" and you in your own miserable power are trying to confuse the idea your bible didn't even write such a verse, I am the Alpha and the Omega says Jehovah God.
Verse 4 "which is, which was, and which is to come, this sure tells us clearly who this is-and if you believe its, Jehovah God, then you must believe Jehovah God is Jesus, or maybe you are trying to draw my attention away from this scripture because you believe this is a misprint written by the JW's?

And yet again, you lay a claim but refuse to quote the scriptures to back up your claim. Quote rev 1:1- 8 and tell us your understanding of verse 1 and 6.

plus you have failed to answer every question I have laid out on this page, and yet true believers don't lie against the truth like you and your followers do, which church' what Church doesn't really matter, its the fruit we judge by, and so far, I have witnessed the JW's speak with fork tongue, nothing makes any sense in the NWT bible literature, It says one thing and convicts its own writings in the other, no-wonder we and the JW's are confused.

Your church matters brocab, God does not associate with a false church, so too does a person who claim to be filled with holy spirit.

plus It's important for us viewers to know your secrets, about the corruptions that happens within the walls of the JW's organization. Firstly you should know about yourselves, before you claim any judgement against any other church that stands for Christ.

one single curruption that is kept secret you have not been able to find, keep digging. It is hypocrisy to say its important to know ones secrect while keeping a tight lip and refusing to name your church for viewers to learn about . Crippy things like dark places .

Hmmm" let me see, "Pentecostal" Pentecostal Churches have many names written above their Churches, like the Baptise, or lets say AOG, or COC, some Churches use names such as Hill songs, so they could be recolonized by the public, and they are easy to find in the directory.
But the main thing is they are pentecostal Christians.
Like the JW's they also have different names to their many Churches spread across the nations, like the Watchtower, the universal life Church, and still people are confused about their teachings. And you are right God don't enter into a false Church, this is why you haven't found God in yours.
But then we have men and women come in wearing sheep clothing, who claim they are Christians on the outside, but inside they are ravening wolves. We call them Prosperity Preachers, who believe that godliness is away of making money, twisting the word of God around for financial gain, but the Lord says it clearly in word, from such withdraw yourselves.
Same with the JW's many believe in the false God, believing in a God they don't even know.
So you see I am a pentecostal Christian, and I believe in the only true God Jesus Christ.
I am a born again Christian and my goals in life is to write down the truth, what is truth? The truth is Jesus Christ.
His Spirit roams around at home, in the streets, at the office, in my heart, in my thoughts, in my Spirit, Christ is everywhere. Christ don't live in Churches made from brick and mortar, Christ' Spirit lives in all those who have chosen to believe, and had made that first step in becoming a born again Christian, same like the disciples, they too were pentecostal's after Jesus had sent them His Helper to teach them all things.
Would you like the address?
Revelation 1:1-6 well I have already written down verse 4" and "1-2-3-5-6" says the Father, and who is to come the almighty {Omnipotent the ruler of all} verse 7-8 with what description had the JW's given God, "the almighty God" and what description had the JW's given Jesus "the mighty" and who's coming back the almighty. Even the New World Translation had written it Almighty Jehovah God is coming back, and who's coming back? Jesus is coming back, the true and only' faithful Jehovah God.

dolphinheart:
My claims, your beliefs, your spiritual standing does not stop your from telling us the name of your church .

And yet again, you lay a claim but refuse to quote the scriptures to back up your claim. Quote rev 1:1- 8 and tell us your understanding of verse 1 and 6.


Your church matters brocab, God does not associate with a false church, so too does a person who claim to be filled with holy spirit.
one single curruption that is kept secret you have not been able to find, keep digging. It is hypocrisy to say its important to know ones secrect while keeping a tight lip and refusing to name your church for viewers to learn about . Crippy things like dark places .

What don't you understand, are you that silly that you don't know what a pentecostal is? Would you like the address to the church I attend? Are you willing to jump on the plane and travel far far away and seek the Church that's filled with the spirit of God with me?

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

I quoted from the scriptures to you, mostimes using the bible translation you agree with. My explanations where based on those scriptures, I did not formulate any. for the fact that you cannot give an explanation on the scriptures I quoted for you, or counter the explanations on those scriptures with your own explanation shows that you know I'm telling you the truth, but pride and hypocrisy is hindering you from accepting it. You are a politician, cus only politicians call something rubish without giving further explanations. There are several points, each point numbered, each point backed up by several scritural quotes denoting that jesus and jehovah are not the same person. One of those scriptures you could not quote, one of those explanations you could not counter, yet you keep saying its rubish. Your aim is evident, your desire is clear for all to see, you just want to find fault with the truth, but giving an explanation on the fault is impossible for you to do.


In your search for faults, you saw rev 1:7,8. You Thought that you could use only those verses to find fault. Apart from the fact that I told you to extent the verses and start from verse one to show you are a liar, I went one to quote several scriptures(more than ten) to show you that jesus and the father are not the same person. You have not been able to explain you view on the numerous scriptures I quoted, neither have you been able to quote rev: 1,6 talkless of giving explanations on it.

I even went on to ask you to tell us who was talking in rev 3:2,12, but I can bet, that on your private reading of those verses, you have seen that the scriptures will show you are lying if you dare to quote or explain those verses, hence you keep on acting repeatedly as if those questions do not exist. Your best defense is to claim I do not understand those verses.

Those numerous scriptures I quoted to you are from both the nwt and kjv versions and not the watchtower magazine. So its funny that you should say I should sit down and read the bible , when throughout our discussion, I've been quoting from the bible, and I've been asking you to explain several quotes from the bible. You are just trying to change the subject one again.

You are a liar brocab, adding words and not quoting those verses show you are a twister of the scriptures!.
I've told you to clear verse 1 to 6 first, before going to verse 7 and 8, but your desire to find fault will not allow you to.


Can you see how much of a liar you are? You can't even quote verses 1 to 6 of revelation chapter one. Everyone can see that you do know that you are not speaking the truth, hence your refusal to quote those verses, attempting to pick few words out of those 6 verses shows your hypocrisy. QUOTE THE WHILE VERSE 1 TO 6 OF REV CHP 1 FROM ANY TRANSLATION OF YOUR CHOICE BROCAB!. DO SO AND LET PEOPLE REALISE THEIR IS A LIAR BEHIND THE MONIKER!!!

I understand those verses, it Goes along with other verses in the scriptures. It goes along with jesus statements that he has a father, that the father is greater than him , that the father is the God of jesus, that the father is the " ONLY TRUE GOD". It goes along with the disciples statement that jesus has a God and father. It goes along with rev chapter 1 verse 1 where john recorded it that it is God that gave the revelation to jesus. It surely goes along with hebrews 1:9 where it is recorded that God called himself the God of the one he annointed. It goes along with Stephens vision. It goes along with angel Gabriel words to mary and jesus words to mary in which he instructed her to tell the disciples that " he had not yet ascended to his GOD AND FATHER!!"

This means evalasting life brocab, having the knowledge of the only true God, and of the one he sent to us, jesus Christ.
Note: you are making a good attempt at diverting from telling us your church. Its always easy to talk about others when you are sure they dnt know anything about you. But everyone will notice that you are hiding something! You are afraid to mention your church cus you know they dnt follow scriptural instructions!

@ brocab

Hmmm" let me see, "Pentecostal" Pentecostal Churches have many names written above their Churches, like the Baptise, or lets say AOG, or COC, some Churches use names such as Hill songs, so they could be recolonized by the public, and they are easy to find in the directory.
But the main thing is they are pentecostal Christians.

A nice attempt at not telling the church you associate with, even if its pentecostal.

Brocab, penticostal is a word derived by humans to differentiate christianity, to divide christianity into sects. As far as I'm concerned, and I believe that as far as everybody reading this thread is concerned, claiming to be a penticostal does not mean you have named the church you associate with. Its confirmed that there are thousands of pentecostal churches, each with its own name, rituals, laws, procedures, customs and organization. Each church is different from the other in its name, customs, practices, rituals, procedures and organization.
It is known that not all pentecostal churches follow scriptural procedures, even some pentecostal churches count the practices of other penticostal church as sin.

So pls pls pls brocab, tell us the name of the pentecostal church you associate with. Your refusal to do so will be seen as "EVIDENCE 1", to show you are afraid to tell us the church you associate with, while desperately trying to find fault with others.

Like the JW's they also have different names to their many Churches spread across the nations, like the Watchtower, the universal life Church, and still people are confused about their teachings.

You are a liar brocab, your attempt to link two different organizations will not work. Jehovahs withnesses have just one organization, they have several branches and several congregations, but they dnt take special names and dnt organize differently from the other congregations. They are all under one body.
If I leave nigeria today and go to Siberia, if there is a congregation there, they will preach, teach and welcome you the same way a congregation in timbaktu would.!
Linking two different organizations and calling them one so as to find fault and claim confussion is a sad sad move brocab. These serves as EVIDENCE 2, to show you that you lie in your attempt to find fault.

And you are right God don't enter into a false Church, this is why you haven't found God in yours.

Tell us your church!

But then we have men and women come in wearing sheep clothing, who claim they are Christians on the outside, but inside they are ravening wolves. We call them Prosperity Preachers, who believe that godliness is away of making money, twisting the word of God around for financial gain, but the Lord says it clearly in word, from such withdraw yourselves.
Same with the JW's many believe in the false God, believing in a God they don't even know.

Another attempt to lie against the witnesses, brocab, have you ever seen a jehovahs witness doing prosperity preaching? Have you ever seen a jehovahs witness congregation collecting tithes or making exorbitant demands? Have you ever seen a congregation not disclosing the amount its members contributed and what they are going to do with the money. You are a liar brocab, you have run out of accusations and now resort to lying about witnesses.

Jehovahs witnesses know who jehovah is. He is
1.the supreme being
2. The creature of heaven and earth
3. The one sitted on the throne 4. The most high God.
5. Our father and creator.
6 the father and God of jesus Christ
7. The only true God.
8. The one who jesus has provided a way to
9. The one who jesus said we should pray to.
10. The one who provided a savior for humankind, who gave jesus the revelation as recorded in rev 1:1.

So you see I am a pentecostal Christian, and I believe in the only true God Jesus Christ.

You can claim to be a pentecostal Christian as much as you want. But we can't see it as you refuse to name your church, we can't know if its even pentecostal sef. There fore your claims are baseless!

You call jesus Christ the only true God, But your true God does not go along with who the scriptures call the true God. In fact! It goes contrary to the statement made by the one you call the only true God.

If you really believe in jesus Christ, you will listen to his words and follow his sayings. He never called himself the only true God, but he specifically, without issues or problem told you who the only true God is!
In case you have not read it, ill quote it for you here. You might still not read it, but others will.

John 17: 1-5( king james version)
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father,[/u the hour is come; glorify [u]thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him
power over all flesh, that he
should give eternal life to as
many as thou hast given him.

AND THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAS SENT.

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Brocab, which these verses alone, jesus Christ have shown you that
1. the father is the only true God
2. The father is the one who gave him power.
3. That you brocab, can only gain eternal life if you know the father, the only true god and the one he sent , jesus Christ.

The above are not my words, I quoted it from the scriptures , and used a version you believe in. If you say jesus is the only true God again, then you lie against the scriptures you hold in your hand, against jesus , and against the only true God!

I am a born again Christian and my goals in life is to write down the truth, what is truth? The truth is Jesus Christ.

I said it several times, the moment you use the words " I am" , what comes after will probably be a lie. You have vehemently refused to give us an opportunity to verify your so called born again status. Tell us the church you associate with so everyone can verify!.

His Spirit roams around at home, in the streets, at the office, in my heart, in my thoughts, in my Spirit, Christ is everywhere. Christ don't live in Churches made from brick and mortar, Christ' Spirit lives in all those who have chosen to believe, and had made that first step in becoming a born again Christian, same like the disciples, they too were pentecostal's after Jesus had sent them His Helper to teach them all things.
Would you like the address?

You continue to spill falsehood, probably that's why you can't use the scriptures to surpport what you wrote above.

Peter did tell us the source of the spirit in them, which we can now assume is different from the one you claim to be in you.

Act 2:14-16,22-24,32,33(nkjv)

[b] 14.But Peter, standing up
with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.
15 .For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:.......
22. “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you
by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23. Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
24. whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it......
32. This Jesus God has
raised up, of which we are all
witnesses.
33. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and HAVING RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER the
promise of the Holy Spirit, He
poured out this which you
now see and hear.[/b]

They( peter and other disciples know where the spirit came from, its different from the spirit you claim to be in you .

The prophet Joel that peter quoted told us this:
Joel 2: 27- 29
[b]And you will have to know that I am in the midst of Israel
And that I am [u]Jehovah your God —there is no other!
My people will never again be put to shame.
After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh,
And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male
slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.

Revelation 1:1-6 well I have already written down verse 4" and "1-2-3-5-6" says the Father, and who is to come the almighty {Omnipotent the ruler of all} verse 7-8 with what description had the JW's given God, "the almighty God" and what description had the JW's given Jesus "the mighty" and who's coming back the almighty. Even the New World Translation had written it Almighty Jehovah God is coming back, and who's coming back? Jesus is coming back, the true and only' faithful Jehovah God.

Again the whole world can see, you have refused to quote rev 1:1- 6 . Quoting verse 4 and Jumping to verse 7 and 8 only shows you are desperately trying to cover up something. That thing that will put fire into the lies you are desperately trying to establish! . Your refusal to quote from your approved translation or from the nwt the whole text of rev 1 :1- 6 is EVIDENCE 3 . You know the truth is in those verses, that's why you cannot quote it!

Rev 3:2,12 is another part of the scriptures , you know who was talking there, that's why you cannot tell us! You will be found a liar if you do.

brocab:
What don't you understand, are you that silly that you don't know what a pentecostal is? Would you like the address to the church I attend? Are you willing to jump on the plane and travel far far away and seek the Church that's filled with the spirit of God with me?

There are many denominations that claim to be penticostal, brocab, which one of them do you associate with!

I did not ask for the adress, I asked you to just tell us the name of the church you associate with!

This is my Church.
The first time we find the word Church is in {Matthew 16:18} where Jesus said He will build His Church upon the Revelation the Father gave Peter when he openly confessed that Christ is the Son of the living God, "Upon this rock I will rebuild My Church." So this must be the Churches confession of faith, if not. than it is not the Church. What this meant in the Judaic culture is that Christ is equal to God, have the same nature as His Father.
The scripture is clear only God is to be worshipped {Ex 34:14} "For thou shall worship no other God for the Lord {Yahweh} whose name is Jealous, is a Jealous God. "The Church worships God and also worships Christ, the Father in {Heb 1:6} tells all the Angels to worship the Son, both the Father and the Son are worshipped in heaven, {Rev 4:5} and on earth.
The bible teaches that Jesus is not only worshipped but also called God by Thomas in {John 20:28} "My Lord my God, {Greek The Lord of me, the God of me} We find the wise men worship Jesus as a Child {Matthew 2:11} The leper worshipped Jesus {Matthew 8} The ruler bowed down and worshipped {Matthew 9:18} The believer who was blind worshipped Him {John 9:38} The women worshipped Him {Matthew 15:35} Mary Magdalene worshipped Him {Matthew 28:9} The disciples worshipped Him {Matthew 28:17} Jesus was worshipped just as the father was worshipped.

It is called the Church of God which He had purchased with His own Blood {Acts 20:28} After Christ raised from the dead and ascended He sent the Holy Spirit to birth a new entity, the Church. The Greek word is ekklesia {Which is used 114 times in the New Testament}
WHICH MEANS A CALLED OUT ASSEMBLY {EK =out of Kalco = to call} it is never used of a building or of the Kingdom of God, This is not the Kingdom but included in it.
The Church is an invisible living spiritual organism, composed to all the believers world wide, from the time of its inception on Pentecost, until the taken away from the Church at the rapture. Its origin is found in God as the Holy Spirit gave it it's birth in {Acts 2:1-4} with the disciples and the Jews at pentecost in V 33 And we become part of that same Church today the same way they did by Spirit Baptism. Being Born Again of the Spirit. No-one joins the Church unless they are first joined to Christ. This is why Jesus said you must be Born Again, {By the Spirit {John 3:5} Not join the Church} The Church began in Jerusalem not Rome, Any Church that does not trace its start to Jerusalem on Pentecost is not His Church. Those who claim the Church needed to be restored from any apostasy are not part of the Original Church. Jesus said the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church.
This is my Church. The people are the Church.
And how does one join this one Church?
{1 Corinthains 12:27} "Now you are the body of Christ and members individually, Notice correctively and individually, This means one don't have to belong to a certain denomination or group but to Christ.
No-one is told to join the Church by the apostles because it is an automatic placing of one in the body of which Christ is the Head {2 Corinthians 5:17} Therefore if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold all things have become new, We are put in Christ to become a new creature, not in a Church. Becoming part of the Church is a natural outcome of the new birth.
{John 1:12-13} But as many as received Him to them gave His power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
To be born of God is to have the Holy Spirit regenerate the dead spirit in man back to a relationship with God. This comes through Christ alone, no Church or minister can give you this.
This is the Church I call the true Church of God.{Eph 5:23-24}

dolphinheart:
There are many denominations that claim to be penticostal, brocab, which one of them do you associate with!

I did not ask for the adress, I asked you to just tell us the name of the church you associate with!

And the hole world can see, you have refuse to tell us why in Revelation 1:7-8 New World Translation Jehovah Witnesses bible "say's everyone will see the Almighty coming in the clouds, Jehovah God is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 1:1-8 the KJ Version Says it clearly who is coming back, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, which is, and which was and which is to come the Almighty. {This describes Jesus clearly He was dead, and now alive forevermore}

You haven't explained to us viewers, why did the New World Translation JW's bible give Jehovah God that same authority His Father God gave to Jesus? When in scripture God the Father had given Jesus all His authority and Jesus is coming back. But if you believe Jehovah God is coming back, then it's true Jesus and God are One the same person.
This must be evidence to show us viewers that Jehovah God isn't the same God as the Father we all know in heaven, because God gave Jesus all His authority to come back, As it's written in the NWT bible in Revelation 1:7-8 "Jehovah God had decided to come back himself.

And yet in Revelation 1:1-6 says it clearly by John's testimony of all things what he had seen, John made it clear that God gave him the revelation of Jesus Christ, the one who is coming back.

Don't forget no-one has seen God at any time. So if no-one had seen God at any time, then Jehovah God isn't the one coming back, as your bible had written it, He will.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab


A nice attempt at not telling the church you associate with, even if its pentecostal.

Brocab, penticostal is a word derived by humans to differentiate christianity, to divide christianity into sects. As far as I'm concerned, and I believe that as far as everybody reading this thread is concerned, claiming to be a penticostal does not mean you have named the church you associate with. Its confirmed that there are thousands of pentecostal churches, each with its own name, rituals, laws, procedures, customs and organization. Each church is different from the other in its name, customs, practices, rituals, procedures and organization.
It is known that not all pentecostal churches follow scriptural procedures, even some pentecostal churches count the practices of other penticostal church as sin.

So pls pls pls brocab, tell us the name of the pentecostal church you associate with. Your refusal to do so will be seen as "EVIDENCE 1", to show you are afraid to tell us the church you associate with, while desperately trying to find fault with others.


You are a liar brocab, your attempt to link two different organizations will not work. Jehovahs withnesses have just one organization, they have several branches and several congregations, but they dnt take special names and dnt organize differently from the other congregations. They are all under one body.
If I leave nigeria today and go to Siberia, if there is a congregation there, they will preach, teach and welcome you the same way a congregation in timbaktu would.!
Linking two different organizations and calling them one so as to find fault and claim confussion is a sad sad move brocab. These serves as EVIDENCE 2, to show you that you lie in your attempt to find fault.

Tell us your church!



Another attempt to lie against the witnesses, brocab, have you ever seen a jehovahs witness doing prosperity preaching? Have you ever seen a jehovahs witness congregation collecting tithes or making exorbitant demands? Have you ever seen a congregation not disclosing the amount its members contributed and what they are going to do with the money. You are a liar brocab, you have run out of accusations and now resort to lying about witnesses.

Jehovahs witnesses know who jehovah is. He is
1.the supreme being
2. The creature of heaven and earth
3. The one sitted on the throne 4. The most high God.
5. Our father and creator.
6 the father and God of jesus Christ
7. The only true God.
8. The one who jesus has provided a way to
9. The one who jesus said we should pray to.
10. The one who provided a savior for humankind, who gave jesus the revelation as recorded in rev 1:1.


You can claim to be a pentecostal Christian as much as you want. But we can't see it as you refuse to name your church, we can't know if its even pentecostal sef. There fore your claims are baseless!

You call jesus Christ the only true God, But your true God does not go along with who the scriptures call the true God. In fact! It goes contrary to the statement made by the one you call the only true God.

If you really believe in jesus Christ, you will listen to his words and follow his sayings. He never called himself the only true God, but he specifically, without issues or problem told you who the only true God is!
In case you have not read it, ill quote it for you here. You might still not read it, but others will.

John 17: 1-5( king james version)
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father,[/u the hour is come; glorify [u]thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him
power over all flesh, that he
should give eternal life to as
many as thou hast given him.

AND THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAS SENT.

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Brocab, which these verses alone, jesus Christ have shown you that
1. the father is the only true God
2. The father is the one who gave him power.
3. That you brocab, can only gain eternal life if you know the father, the only true god and the one he sent , jesus Christ.

The above are not my words, I quoted it from the scriptures , and used a version you believe in. If you say jesus is the only true God again, then you lie against the scriptures you hold in your hand, against jesus , and against the only true God!


I said it several times, the moment you use the words " I am" , what comes after will probably be a lie. You have vehemently refused to give us an opportunity to verify your so called born again status. Tell us the church you associate with so everyone can verify!.


You continue to spill falsehood, probably that's why you can't use the scriptures to surpport what you wrote above.

Peter did tell us the source of the spirit in them, which we can now assume is different from the one you claim to be in you.

Act 2:14-16,22-24,32,33(nkjv)

[b] 14.But Peter, standing up
with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.
15 .For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:.......
22. “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you
by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23. Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
24. whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it......
32. This Jesus God has
raised up, of which we are all
witnesses.
33. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and HAVING RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER the
promise of the Holy Spirit, He
poured out this which you
now see and hear.[/b]

They( peter and other disciples know where the spirit came from, its different from the spirit you claim to be in you .

The prophet Joel that peter quoted told us this:
Joel 2: 27- 29
[b]And you will have to know that I am in the midst of Israel
And that I am [u]Jehovah your God —there is no other!
My people will never again be put to shame.
After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh,
And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male
slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.


Again the whole world can see, you have refused to quote rev 1:1- 6 . Quoting verse 4 and Jumping to verse 7 and 8 only shows you are desperately trying to cover up something. That thing that will put fire into the lies you are desperately trying to establish! . Your refusal to quote from your approved translation or from the nwt the whole text of rev 1 :1- 6 is EVIDENCE 3 . You know the truth is in those verses, that's why you cannot quote it!

Rev 3:2,12 is another part of the scriptures , you know who was talking there, that's why you cannot tell us! You will be found a liar if you do.

@ brocab.

Everyone on now getting a clear picture of who you really are. When you are exposed, you will quickly change the topic and act like if the exposure did not exist.

John 17: 1-3 has exposed you, jesus has told you who the true God is, but your nature will not allow you to accept the truth.
Rev 1:1,6 has exposed your lie about jesus and jehovah being the same person. You will not quote those verses cus you know it will expose your false doctrine.

Your refusal to name your church has exposed you. You can't name it cus you know it will expose the dirty things you are trying to hide.

Now let's look at the new shifts you have brought up while refusing to answer the previous issues that had exposed your lies.

The first time we find the word Church is in {Matthew 16:18} where Jesus said He will build His Church upon the Revelation the Father gave Peter when he openly confessed that Christ is the Son of the living God, "Upon this rock I will rebuild My Church." So this must be the Churches confession of faith, if not. than it is not the Church. What this meant in the Judaic culture is that Christ is equal to God, have the same nature as His Father.

You just lied again, and you just used your second lie to expose your first lie.

Jesus, the judaic culture never believed jesus was God. You used the word " equal " here, which denotes a comparison to two things or persons. This you statement shows that your earlier statement that jesus is the same person as jehovah is FALSE!, a lie created by you and now being exposed by another lie of yours.

(1)Is jesus the living God? NO!
Peter in matt 16: 15 and 16 correctly said who jesus is!
Matt 16:15,16(kjv)
15 He said unto them, But
whom say you that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered,
You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Jesus is the only begotten son of the living God!, he is not God himself!

(2) did jesus tell us who the living God is? Yes!

We find that in john 17:1-3 (which I've quoted severally) and in Jesus statement to mary .
John 20:17(kjv)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; AND TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD!.
Jesus has told you who the living God is, he has told you who the true God is, you say you follow jesus , but you do not believe jesus words!

(3) is jesus equal to the loving God? No!
Jesus himself said " [b]the father is greater than I am". He told us that all how power and authority comes from the father. He specifically explained that he was giving power and authority. The scriptures even went on to tell us that when jesus went back to heaven, he continued being in subjection to the most high God. The scriptures, jesus himself and the disciples have on numerous occasion said jesus has a God!. Yet you prefer not to follow the scriptures, but to formulate your false doctrine from judaic beliefs, from beliefs which jesus had condemned when they wrongly ascribed that he claimed to be equal to God. You are trying to explain jesus from the views if those who dnt even believe in the messiah, and reject the simple, easy to understand words of those who belief in the messiah and recorded it down in the scriptures.

The scripture is clear only God is to be worshipped {Ex 34:14} "For thou shall worship no other God for the Lord {Yahweh} whose name is Jealous, is a Jealous God. "The Church worships God and also worships Christ, the Father in {Heb 1:6} tells all the Angels to worship the Son, both the Father and the Son are worshipped in heaven,

You twist the scriptures brocab, and make it look as if its contradicting itself. The scriptures says only God is to be worshipped, it says only jehovah is to be worshipped. Jesus reterated that command, yet you claim that two persons are now worshipped in heaven.
Well, I dnt blame you, your false doctrine comes from the wrong use of the greek text sometimes translated to "worship".

[b]Strong's Concordance
proskuneó: to do reverence
to
Original Word: προσκυνέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskuneó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-
neh'-o)
Short Definition: I worship
Definition: I go down on my
knees to, do obeisance to, worship.
HELPS Word-studies
4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /
prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to
kiss" – properly, to kiss the
ground when prostrating
before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance" (BAGD).
"The basic meaning of 4352
(proskynéō), in the opinion of
most scholars, is to
kiss. . . . On Egyptian reliefs
worshipers are represented
with outstretched hand
throwing a kiss to (pros-) the
deity" (DNTT, 2, 875,876).
4352 (proskyneō) has been
(metaphorically) described as
"the kissing-ground" between
believers (the Bride) and
Christ (the heavenly
Bridegroom). While this is true,
4352 (proskynéō) suggests
the willingness to make all
necessary physical gestures
of obeisance.][/b]
http://biblehub.com/greek/4352.htm

Since we now know that the greek word can mean
1. To bow down
2. To do obeisance
3. To worship
4. To go on one knees
Then which one of these should be applied in heb1:6

For the fact that jesus himself said it is only God which he had Identified as the father that should be worshipped, that the father ALONE should be worshipped, and for the fact that jehovah himself has said that he ALONE should be worshipped, a true worshipper of God should have known that the greek word that you translated to "worship" should have been translated as obeisance, bow down, e.t.c.
But for the lie to take root, they prefer to translate it as "worship". This has now contradicted jehovahs direct instruction that he alone should be worshipped.

Let's look at hebrew chapter 1 again and take out more points to expose your false doctrines
Heb 1 :1-9(kjv)
[b]1 God, who at many times and in various manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by
the prophets,
2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of
his glory, and the express
image of his person, and
upholding all things by the
word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our
sins, sat down on the right
hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels
said he at any time, You are
my Son, this day have I
begotten you? And again, I will
be to him a Father, and he
shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he brings
the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he says,
Who makes his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of
fire.
8 But unto the Son he says,
Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever: a scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of
your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.[/b]


Brocab, can you see the underlined? Can you read it? Can you explain what those verses are saying?
You can, but you will not cus it does not go along with your doctrines.

1. Verse 2 tells us : God has appointed jesus as heir to all things
" appointed heir ”: An heir is not on the same level as the one appointing the person as an heir. This shows that your doctrine that jesus is equal to the father as false. It also make false the doctrine that jesus and jehovah are the same person.
As an heir Jesus gets an inheritance. What is that inheritance? “ by inheritance
obtained a more excellent
name than they .”

2.In verse 3 you find that jesus is an express image. An image is not the real thing. Jesus reflected the qualities of his father was not equal to his father.
In verse 3 you can see that jesus “sat down on the right hand ”. He was granted that privilege to sit at Gods right hand because of his death “ when he had by himself purged our sins ,”.

The most clearly stated part that you have refused to see is that in that same verse 3, the position of the person that jesus sat at his right side is mentioned. That person is called " THE MAJESTY ON HIGH or rather THE MOST HIGH."
Someone commanded jesus to sit at his right side, that person is the host high, in verse 9 that person calls himself the God of jesus, and yet you claim that that person and jesus are equal? Brocab, those verses has exposed your lies.

From verse 1 to 9, the position of jesus is glaring, he has a God!, even when he is in heaven, he was always called the son of God! or only begotten son of God!, he has peers or fellows! as verse 9 tells us. Yet your false doctrine has made him equal to God.

You claim to have a church( even though you have refused to mention its name), but your church does not accept the scriptures when it said that the "head of Christ is God! , your church has twisted it to "jesus is equal to God".
1 cor 11:3(kjv)
But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the
woman is the man; and the
head of Christ is God.
Your church has removed the head of Christ and put jesus in his place!

{Rev 4:5} and on earth.
The bible teaches that Jesus is not only worshipped but also called God by Thomas in {John 20:28} "My Lord my God, {Greek The Lord of me, the God of me} We find the wise men worship Jesus as a Child {Matthew 2:11} The leper worshipped Jesus {Matthew 8} The ruler bowed down and worshipped {Matthew 9:18} The believer who was blind worshipped Him {John 9:38} The women worshipped Him {Matthew 15:35} Mary Magdalene worshipped Him {Matthew 28:9} The disciples worshipped Him {Matthew 28:17} Jesus was worshipped just as the father was worshipped.

Your understand has been proven wrong, you have deliberately miss used the word worship to further your false doctrines. The father, jesus and the disciples has specifically told you, Worship only the father" brocab. You have contradicted the scriptures so that your false doctrine can be sorpurted. Jesus is not the father!

Thomas exclamation cannot be used to mean that jesus is God. For previously , jesus has sent mary to them to tell them who their God is. They themselves have known that jesus is " the son of the living God" and not the living God. They continued to have this understanding, even recording it down in several places in the scritures long after jesus has ascended to meet his God.
So brocab, if I say "oh my God "when something extra ordinary had been made clear to me, it does not mean that the person who made it clear is my God.
Believing such will contradict what jesus said in john 20:17(a verse that you can't explain, but prefer to contradict it .)

It is called the Church of God which He had purchased with His own Blood {Acts 20:28} After Christ raised from the dead and ascended He sent the Holy Spirit to birth a new entity, the Church. The Greek word is ekklesia {Which is used 114 times in the New Testament}
WHICH MEANS A CALLED OUT ASSEMBLY {EK =out of Kalco = to call} it is never used of a building or of the Kingdom of God, This is not the Kingdom but included in it.
The Church is an invisible living spiritual organism, composed to all the believers world wide, from the time of its inception on Pentecost, until the taken away from the Church at the rapture. Its origin is found in God as the Holy Spirit gave it it's birth in {Acts 2:1-4} with the disciples and the Jews at pentecost in V 33 And we become part of that same Church today the same way they did by Spirit Baptism. Being Born Again of the Spirit. No-one joins the Church unless they are first joined to Christ. This is why Jesus said you must be Born Again, {By the Spirit {John 3:5} Not join the Church} The Church began in Jerusalem not Rome, Any Church that does not trace its start to Jerusalem on Pentecost is not His Church. Those who claim the Church needed to be restored from any apostasy are not part of the Original Church. Jesus said the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church.
This is my Church. The people are the Church.
And how does one join this one Church?
{1 Corinthains 12:27} "Now you are the body of Christ and members individually, Notice correctively and individually, This means one dont have to belong to a certain denomination or group but to Christ.
No-one is told to join the Church by the apostles because it is an automatic placing of one in the body of which Christ is the Head {2 Corinthians 5:17} Therefore if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold all things have become new, We are put in Christ to become a new creature, not in a Church. Becoming part of the Church is a natural outcome of the new birth.
{John 1:12-13} But as many as received Him to them gave His power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
To be born of God is to have the Holy Spirit regenerate the dead spirit in man back to a relationship with God. This comes through Christ alone, no Church or minister can give you this.
The Church is called the Church of God. {Eph 5:23-24}

Haaa! , all these epistle so that you will not tell us the name. Of the church you associate with!?

Now I believe you are a true politician, always ready to shift left or right if one can't give a simple answer, cus giving that answer will open a can of worms. Kontinue!

While all or most churches claim what you wrote above, we are very sure not all follow it. Simply telling us the registered name of your church has turned into a documentary!

@ brocab

And the hole world can see, you have refuse to tell us why in Revelation 1:7-8 New World Translation Jehovah Witnesses bible "say's everyone will see the Almighty coming in the clouds, Jehovah God is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 1:1-8 the KJ Version Says it clearly who is coming back, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, which is, and which was and which is to come the Almighty. {This describes Jesus clearly He was dead, and now alive forevermore}

You haven't explained to us viewers, why did the New World Translation JW's bible give Jehovah God that same authority His Father God gave to Jesus? When in scripture God the Father had given Jesus all His authority and Jesus is coming back. But if you believe Jehovah God is coming back, then it's true Jesus and God are One the same person.
This must be evidence to show us viewers that Jehovah God isn't the same God as the Father we all know in heaven, because God gave Jesus all His authority to come back, As it's written in the NWT bible in Revelation 1:7-8 "Jehovah God had decided to come back himself.

And yet in Revelation 1:1-6 says it clearly by John's testimony of all things what he had seen, John made it clear that God gave him the revelation of Jesus Christ, the one who is coming back.

Don't forget no-one has seen God at any time. So if no-one had seen God at any time, then Jehovah God isn't the one coming back, as your bible had written it, He will.

I had known it will come to this, you have read rev 1:1-6 over and over again and have realised that even quoting it on this thread will show that your explanation of verse 7 and 8 is based on falsehood and the search of something to talk about.
You can't even quote it, talkless of explaining what those verses said.
If you can do us a favour brocab, explain what you understand by rev 1:1-8, expecially verses 1 and 6.
Ill leave rev 3:2,12 for now cus its clear to all that you will never quote those verses or tell us who is talking there.

If you can do this, ill be glad to explain all the lies you posted above, a post filled with twisting and lies and false statements. Remember, in your last post, you have used your second lie to negate the first one. You have without knowing, seperated the person of jesus Christ from the person of God. Let's see if your explanation on rev 1: 1 to 8 will not seal it.

I have already explain to you what is my church and still you haven't a clue which direction to take? Trying to find fault in ones Church shows how Christian you really are?
My Church is called the Church of God. Mock His Church, because His Church isn't part any denomination organization, we are openly free to accept Jesus where we stand.
A Church building is a place to meet other Christians, but if we chose not to be part of one organization, it don't mean we are rebelling against God, it means we are free to fellowship in all. Jesus said we are the Church built by God.
I can go to any Church building if I please, I have even gone into yours, and I found what I was looking for.

But in your Church it sucks, a completely different organization, rules are no-one is allowed to go from one Church to another meeting new Christians outside your square, nor are you allowed to celebrate any holiday's such as birthday's, nor associate with friends and family, outside the Church.
It must be sad to see, your children not playing with other children at school.
It must be sad to see, watching your child looking through a glass window watching other children play.
It must be sad to see, your child crying because of loneliness before she/he go's to sleep.
It must be sad to see, your child being bullied at school.
It must be sad to see, your child dying because she/he needed blood from you.
It must be sad to see, your child not receiving gifts on their birthday, when Jesus received gifts on He's..


This is making a complete mockery of the Jehovah Witnesses, organization, and every time you write you are putting yourself deeper into a disagreement that not even you can get yourself out off.
Your own understanding of the bible confuses you, you are trying to prove a point that God is not a Spirit but a man-When it says clearly No-one has seen God at any time.
Everything I have given you in reason, it just blows over your head-Jesus said in {John 10:30} I and the Father are one. This scripture is pretty clear, since no-one has seen God at any time, then it must prove He is Spirit, and Jesus came to earth with one Body, not two, and lived amongst men, One Body One Spirit, makes up One person right?

When I read through your New World Translation JW bible, repeatedly it calls Jesus a God. And yet you keep on repeating yourself He isn't a God {Revelation 1:7-8} spells it out clearly who the Almighty is' in both the NWT and the KJ Bibles.

You need to look at your own life, how do you pray and who are you praying too?
If God is another person, then you are praying to a person, but if God is a Spirit then you are praying in the Spirit. Jesus spoke to God that same way in prayer He spoke in the Spirit {John 4:24} God is Spirit and His worshippers must worship in Spirit and in truth.
And this is how Jesus communicated in prayer to God. He worshipped in prayer and in truth
The same as I pray to God, I call Him Father God-I can't see Him, but because of my own personal beliefs I recolonize Him as my Father in heaven.
Worldly thinking will always see two people in the flesh-I suppose its hard for you to even understand you own life, How did you and your Father become one seed?
In the flesh you are two people having one seed, which makes you one with your father.
Jesus is One seed with His Father in Spirit and in truth, when He say's I and the Father are one, believe it.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab.

Everyone on now getting a clear picture of who you really are. When you are exposed, you will quickly change the topic and act like if the exposure did not exist.

John 17: 1-3 has exposed you, jesus has told you who the true God is, but your nature will not allow you to accept the truth.
Rev 1:1,6 has exposed your lie about jesus and jehovah being the same person. You will not quote those verses cus you know it will expose your false doctrine.

Your refusal to name your church has exposed you. You can't name it cus you know it will expose the dirty things you are trying to hide.

Now let's look at the new shifts you have brought up while refusing to answer the previous issues that had exposed your lies.


You just lied again, and you just used your second lie to expose your first lie.

Jesus, the judaic culture never believed jesus was God. You used the word " equal " here, which denotes a comparison to two things or persons. This you statement shows that your earlier statement that jesus is the same person as jehovah is FALSE!, a lie created by you and now being exposed by another lie of yours.

(1)Is jesus the living God? NO!
Peter in matt 16: 15 and 16 correctly said who jesus is!
Matt 16:15,16(kjv)
15 He said unto them, But
whom say you that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered,
You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Jesus is the only begotten son of the living God!, he is not God himself!

(2) did jesus tell us who the living God is? Yes!

We find that in john 17:1-3 (which I've quoted severally) and in Jesus statement to mary .
John 20:17(kjv)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; AND TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD!.
Jesus has told you who the living God is, he has told you who the true God is, you say you follow jesus , but you do not believe jesus words!

(3) is jesus equal to the loving God? No!
Jesus himself said " [b]the father is greater than I am". He told us that all how power and authority comes from the father. He specifically explained that he was giving power and authority. The scriptures even went on to tell us that when jesus went back to heaven, he continued being in subjection to the most high God. The scriptures, jesus himself and the disciples have on numerous occasion said jesus has a God!. Yet you prefer not to follow the scriptures, but to formulate your false doctrine from judaic beliefs, from beliefs which jesus had condemned when they wrongly ascribed that he claimed to be equal to God. You are trying to explain jesus from the views if those who dnt even believe in the messiah, and reject the simple, easy to understand words of those who belief in the messiah and recorded it down in the scriptures.


You twist the scriptures brocab, and make it look as if its contradicting itself. The scriptures says only God is to be worshipped, it says only jehovah is to be worshipped. Jesus reterated that command, yet you claim that two persons are now worshipped in heaven.
Well, I dnt blame you, your false doctrine comes from the wrong use of the greek text sometimes translated to "worship".

[b]Strong's Concordance
proskuneó: to do reverence
to
Original Word: προσκυνέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskuneó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-
neh'-o)
Short Definition: I worship
Definition: I go down on my
knees to, do obeisance to, worship.
HELPS Word-studies
4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /
prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to
kiss" – properly, to kiss the
ground when prostrating
before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance" (BAGD).
"The basic meaning of 4352
(proskynéō), in the opinion of
most scholars, is to
kiss. . . . On Egyptian reliefs
worshipers are represented
with outstretched hand
throwing a kiss to (pros-) the
deity" (DNTT, 2, 875,876).
4352 (proskyneō) has been
(metaphorically) described as
"the kissing-ground" between
believers (the Bride) and
Christ (the heavenly
Bridegroom). While this is true,
4352 (proskynéō) suggests
the willingness to make all
necessary physical gestures
of obeisance.][/b]
http://biblehub.com/greek/4352.htm

Since we now know that the greek word can mean
1. To bow down
2. To do obeisance
3. To worship
4. To go on one knees
Then which one of these should be applied in heb1:6

For the fact that jesus himself said it is only God which he had Identified as the father that should be worshipped, that the father ALONE should be worshipped, and for the fact that jehovah himself has said that he ALONE should be worshipped, a true worshipper of God should have known that the greek word that you translated to "worship" should have been translated as obeisance, bow down, e.t.c.
But for the lie to take root, they prefer to translate it as "worship". This has now contradicted jehovahs direct instruction that he alone should be worshipped.

Let's look at hebrew chapter 1 again and take out more points to expose your false doctrines
Heb 1 :1-9(kjv)
[b]1 God, who at many times and in various manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by
the prophets,
2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of
his glory, and the express
image of his person, and
upholding all things by the
word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our
sins, sat down on the right
hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels
said he at any time, You are
my Son, this day have I
begotten you? And again, I will
be to him a Father, and he
shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he brings
the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he says,
Who makes his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of
fire.
8 But unto the Son he says,
Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever: a scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of
your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.[/b]


Brocab, can you see the underlined? Can you read it? Can you explain what those verses are saying?
You can, but you will not cus it does not go along with your doctrines.

1. Verse 2 tells us : God has appointed jesus as heir to all things
" appointed heir ”: An heir is not on the same level as the one appointing the person as an heir. This shows that your doctrine that jesus is equal to the father as false. It also make false the doctrine that jesus and jehovah are the same person.
As an heir Jesus gets an inheritance. What is that inheritance? “ by inheritance
obtained a more excellent
name than they .”

2.In verse 3 you find that jesus is an express image. An image is not the real thing. Jesus reflected the qualities of his father was not equal to his father.
In verse 3 you can see that jesus “sat down on the right hand ”. He was granted that privilege to sit at Gods right hand because of his death “ when he had by himself purged our sins ,”.

The most clearly stated part that you have refused to see is that in that same verse 3, the position of the person that jesus sat at his right side is mentioned. That person is called " THE MAJESTY ON HIGH or rather THE MOST HIGH."
Someone commanded jesus to sit at his right side, that person is the host high, in verse 9 that person calls himself the God of jesus, and yet you claim that that person and jesus are equal? Brocab, those verses has exposed your lies.

From verse 1 to 9, the position of jesus is glaring, he has a God!, even when he is in heaven, he was always called the son of God! or only begotten son of God!, he has peers or fellows! as verse 9 tells us. Yet your false doctrine has made him equal to God.

You claim to have a church( even though you have refused to mention its name), but your church does not accept the scriptures when it said that the "head of Christ is God! , your church has twisted it to "jesus is equal to God".
1 cor 11:3(kjv)
But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the
woman is the man; and the
head of Christ is God.
Your church has removed the head of Christ and put jesus in his place!


Your understand has been proven wrong, you have deliberately miss used the word worship to further your false doctrines. The father, jesus and the disciples has specifically told you, Worship only the father" brocab. You have contradicted the scriptures so that your false doctrine can be sorpurted. Jesus is not the father!

Thomas exclamation cannot be used to mean that jesus is God. For previously , jesus has sent mary to them to tell them who their God is. They themselves have known that jesus is " the son of the living God" and not the living God. They continued to have this understanding, even recording it down in several places in the scritures long after jesus has ascended to meet his God.
So brocab, if I say "oh my God "when something extra ordinary had been made clear to me, it does not mean that the person who made it clear is my God.
Believing such will contradict what jesus said in john 20:17(a verse that you can't explain, but prefer to contradict it .)


Haaa! , all these epistle so that you will not tell us the name. Of the church you associate with!?

Now I believe you are a true politician, always ready to shift left or right if one can't give a simple answer, cus giving that answer will open a can of worms. Kontinue!

While all or most churches claim what you wrote above, we are very sure not all follow it. Simply telling us the registered name of your church has turned into a documentary!

@ brocab

I have already explain to you what is my church and still you haven't a clue which direction to take?

I did not ask for what your church is, I did not ask for location of your church . I simply asked you to tell us the name of your church. In what name is your church registered. Every church has a name to distinguish and seperate its organization from the others. You are afraid to tell us the name of your church, the reason for such fear is not far fetched.

Trying to find fault in ones Church shows how Christian you really are?

Have I ever said anything about your church? Why do you conclude that I'm trying to find fault. On the contrary, it is you who had been trying to find fault from page one of these thread. When your attempt had been exposed as false, you jump to another attempt.

My Church is called the Church of God. Mock His Church, because His Church isn't part any denomination organization, we are openly free to accept Jesus where we stand.

Brocad, why do you lie, you had earlier claimed you are pentecostal, a name formulated by humans to seperate their denomination from others, now you say your church is not part of any denomination organization. Your church has a name, has a physical organization here on earth, but your fear of naming it has made you to lie.

There are many seperate organizations named "church of God", which one of them do you associate with!.
(I believe you will not answer these question and will continue to attempt to shift it, but I will keep on asking)

A Church building is a place to meet other Christians, but if we chose not to be part of one organization, it don't mean we are rebelling against God, it means we are free to fellowship in all. Jesus said we are the Church built by God.
I can go to any Church building if I please, I have even gone into yours, and I found what I was looking for.

So you are a drifter, one who has not found a church that he believes has the truth, that its doctrines go along with the scriptures.

I never mentioned church buildings, so dnt divert. We are talking about organizations, and they are not represented or determined by their buildings. Brocab, in your attempt not to tell us the church you associate with , you are trying to tell us you have no organization you are part of, you move from organization to organization. I found this to be another lie.
Attending a congregation of jehovahs withnesses does not mean you are part of that organization.

This brings up an issue you tried to use before the issue of the use of technology. You say we should use technology more than going from house to house to preach. Pls brocab, can you direct me to the official website of your church or one of your numerous churches? Jehovahs witnesses use www.jw.org , pls tell us urs.

But in your Church it sucks, a completely different organization, rules are no-one is allowed to go from one Church to another meeting new Christians outside your square, nor are you allowed to celebrate any holiday's such as birthday's, nor associate with friends and family, outside the Church.

You twist the truth and add subtle lies into it. Such views only exist in your mind.
Its true that all organizations have different rules and beliefs. One of the most important guiding factors is your beliefs, which determines how you live your life. An example, If one organization claims that you should bow down and pray to mary, and another says its a sin to do so, you must pray to jesus, is it ok for one to be attending both organizations? Even though both claimed to be christians?

If an organization support and promoted warfare, and another organization says its a sin to fight war , will you be attending both organizations? Even though both claim be christians ?
Someone that does that will be someone like you brocab, someone without roots or set of beliefs, someone who accepts any organization even though its beliefs are different from the previous organization. You go from church to church cus those churches told you they where christians, you fellowship with all of them despite the fact that they have contrary beliefs.
A true Christian, while finding the truth, will stay there and will not sit on the wall.

If you attend two meetings in which their teachings are contrary, despite both claiming to be christians, one should know that their is something wrong somewhere, one should examine the scriptures and find out which is the truth, after that one should leave the false one and stick to the truth.

So its either one of three things, 1. You are a jehovahs witness 2. You are a member of other churches or 3. You are undecided, a drifter.
You can only be one of the three. We are getting a clear picture of which one you are!

It must be sad to see, your children not playing with other children at school.
It must be sad to see, watching your child looking through a glass window watching other children play.

Your sadness is in your mind. In reality, children of jehovahs witnesses do play with other children of their age group, in school and at home. Your mind is comforting false things that is different when compared to reality . Your wish that children of jehovahs witnesses are caged, but their are not, their parents try to follow scriptural directives that they should guide, protect and train their children in this world controlled by Satan. So they protect their children from things which might seem to be just fun in your mind, but the fun is just to coate the dangers underneate.
Contrary to your beliefs , the parents and children have more fun as a family unit all year round, they are not giving a special date to have fun.

It must be sad to see, your child crying because of loneliness before she/he go's to sleep.

Your imagination is running wild.

It must be sad to see, your child being bullied at school.

I can see you are an advocate of bullying, guess you are a bully too. If you have forced a schoolmate to accept and do things he/she does not want to do, then you are a bully!
Your children should not naturally associate with friends who will bully them, even it they are in the same class, not all children come from good homes.
So brocab, bullying is a very bad thing, so dnt teach your children to accept what bullies say cus you want them to be happy and not feel lonely, teach your children how to have good friends!

It must be sad to see, your child dying because she/he needed blood from you.

Yes, it will be sad, but the joy of trying to save that child (blood transfusion does not assure your survival, in fact bloodless operations are now getting better)cannot be compared to the immense joy one would get when he reunites with that child in a new perfect society.
You are thinking of the present, jehovahs witnesses are thinking of the future life God promised his faithful servants. Their faith is strong in the ressurection hope, and they believe jesus when he said ," whoever loses his life for my sake, will have it back" .
You fear death, cus you are enjoying satans system of things!

It must be sad to see, your child not receiving gifts on their birthday, when Jesus received gifts on He's..

Why did you pause, why not complete the lie. Bet you where trying to lie again that jesus received gifts on his birthday!.
Children of jehovahs witnesses receive gifts all year round and do not need a day to do so. They have fun all year round, but do not allow it affect the time they have for spiritual matters.

There is no mention of jesus receiving gifts on his birthday, and I challenge you to refute my statement!

This is making a complete mockery of the Jehovah Witnesses, organization, and every time you write you are putting yourself deeper into a disagreement that not even you can get yourself out off.

Only in your mind. Your claims exist only in your thoughts.

own understanding of the bible confuses you, you are trying to prove a point that God is not a Spirit but a man-When it says clearly No-one has seen God at any time.

1. You have failed to even quote and explain even one of the numerous scripture verses I've quoted to you. I've quoted and explained them, I've quoted and explained some of the scriptures that even you quoted, and you are here to say I'm confused . Brocab, its beyond doubt and its glaring to all that you can't explain the scriptures I quoted to you!.
I post those scriptures at the end of the post and the whole world will see again that you wunt quote them, talkless of explaining them. If you reply at all, it would be an excuse on why you can't explain them.

2. You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

3. Your words are exposing your lies, if you believe that jesus said " no one has seen God at any time", then why do you claim jesus is almighty God or jesus is jehovah. Jesus was seen and heard by countless of people, yet you claim he is almighty God. And this same jesus had told you that no one has seen God at anytime. Your false doctrine is contradicting the scriptures.

Everything I have given you in reason, it just blows over your head-Jesus said in {John 10:30} I and the Father are one. This scripture is pretty clear, since no-one has seen God at any time, then it must prove He is Spirit, and Jesus came to earth with one Body, not two, and lived amongst men, One Body One Spirit, makes up One person right?

Brocad when you try to make up something or explain something, stop cutting it in half, explain fully your doctrine so that people will understand you. Though in reality , I know you can't explain it fully cus doing so will show the holes in your doctrine.

When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

I've extensively explained john 10:30 to you, I did so and asked you if jesus and the father are the same person. You saw that you could not answer the question, you decided to change the topic, I asked you again but you did not answer. If you want to still talk about john 10:30, ill post that explanation to you again, but you must promise that this time around you will reply on the issue and answer on the question if jesus is the same person as the father.

When I read through your New World Translation JW bible, repeatedly it calls Jesus a God.

Yes it does, hope you also read the part where it is said there are many Gods, and the part where jesus has a God heb 1:9

And yet you keep on repeating yourself He isn't a God

Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " jesus isn't a God".

{Revelation 1:7-8} spells it out clearly who the Almighty is' in both the NWT and the KJ Bibles.

Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice and you wunt be able to say the above words.
Explain verses 1 and 6 and people will see that you spill falsehood.
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12 and you doctrine will come to tartars.

You need to look at your own life, how do you pray and who are you praying too?

I pray the way jesus taught us to pray. He told us to pray to the father. He did not only tell us how, he led by example by praying to the father. So following jesus example, I pray to the FATHER IN HEAVEN!
Now brocab, tell us how you pray!

If God is another person, then you are praying to a person, but if God is a Spirit then you are praying in the Spirit. Jesus spoke to God that same way in prayer He spoke in the Spirit {John 4:24} God is Spirit and His worshippers must worship in Spirit and in truth.
And this is how Jesus communicated in prayer to God. He worshipped in prayer and in truth
The same as I pray to God, I call Him Father God-I can't see Him, but because of my own personal beliefs I recolonize Him as my Father in heaven.
Worldly thinking will always see two people in the flesh-I suppose its hard for you to even understand you own life, How did you and your Father become one seed?

Its good that you acknowledge that jesus spoke to God and not to himself.
The way you quickly jumped from praying in the spirit and praying to a spirit is astounding! You statement means that if you are not in the spirit, you cannot pray to God. Pls explain further what you mean by speaking to God in the spirit. If you speak to God the same way jesus spoke to God, are you saying that your spirit,the one you are born with, the one that made you become a person is God?
Brocab , your theory are full of holes.
A spirit can be a person! Go and check what person mean.

In the flesh you are two people having one seed, which makes you one with your father.

Give scriptural quote to support your theory pls.

Jesus is One seed with His Father in Spirit and in truth, when He say's I and the Father are one, believe it.

Support the "seed part with scriptural prove pls. Cus last time I read that verse it says, I and the father are one" not "i and the father are one seed.
Stop adding words to the scriptures!

Note: brocab , readers will not that you have not quoted and explained any of the following scriptures

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
And a host of others ill add later.