Missy89:


Lol

I can't believe you are failing to see how your race argument can be related to gender inequality. You think the system is preventing blacks from outperforming or competing with whites yet the system just failed women from having necessary protection that will make them competitive and better protected and that shouldn't be an issue.

Whatever u say.

Can you tell me how the system has failed women cos the last I checked boys and girls are given the same opportunity from a young age? They attend the same schools, have the same tutors, do the same exams etc.? And when it comes to employment opportunities, it's far easier for women than men. Women just can't compete with men - that's the honest truth. And even if they were to pass this bill, it won't change anything cos men will always outperform women.

Now compare it to race where blacks and whites are culturally different and the system is more favourable to you depending on ya shade. Then you've the generational bridge where whites are far richer than blacks and the schools in black communities are the worst schools. However, in cases where blacks and whites are given the same opportunities - the black kids always outperform the white kids. That's a fact and you can confirm that in any middle/upper class environment.

Leave race out of it.

dearpreye:


Gender equality is not part of our so called African tradition but looting, tribalism, ethnic cleaning, jungle justice, worshipping of thieves , etc , are a part of our African traditions? Isn't it?

At Topic : How could a corrupt and depraved Senate with the likes of Yerima, a known paedophile or Dino, a known wife beater, support such a bill?

I'm sure you've not even read a page or course from such a great bill. If you had, you won't tow the path you did. The bill seeks to eliminate ALL forms of violence and deprivation against our women. What's wrong with allowing our women become all Providence has empowered them to be?

Hope u guys are not forgeting that we have a constitution? It does not define a law in respect to sex,everybody is equal! Wat difference will the bill make from the constitution or is it because it is only a woman/girls bill that it has to be passed even when the federal constitution has no gender inequality? Moreover between women and men,who are treated with more violence?

gcode123:
[size=13pt]We chose these people! We voted them.

APC is an islamic party, take or leave! And anything islamic is opressive and anti progressive..... Unequivocally stated!


The only way Nigeria will ever be free from these issues is to be a truly secular society. Both christianity nd islam are doing more harm than good. Untill then we would keep wallowing in similar unlawfulness and senseless social reality.....

Shame on APC, and everything it gives (i voted Apc btw) !

Shame on religion and its ever gullible followers!

The Nigerian constitution is simply a sharia book in disguise. [/size]

**** It means you don't even know who and when the operational nigerian constitution was drafted. It is it Buhari that fashioned it again?

there is nothing like that in nigeria cos the law has not been passed. And its not fairness its cheating. read the bill well before u shout about alimony and inequality

daretodiffer:


*sighs*

There is nothing like that in Nigeria.

Law is about fairness and justice.

Alimony has nothing to do with equality or inequality.

Please grab a book and read

It is not that hard biko

CoCoLav:
So many illiterates and backward people commenting on this thread

Nigerian Americana spotted !
No allow whiteman deceive you o

Favolly:
And that one had the guts to bring the bible into it..... Is the Bible an African or a Nigerian document? I don't understand how you will quote it in defence of a stance of Africanism as a basis for gender discrimination. Appalling!

Wait, Oga common sense wasn’t at this sitting?? Because I sure cannot see his name amongst those that spoke in support of the bill. Oga common sense, you are not a Twitter senator o! Don't go on Twitter and be supporting Bill that you didn't actually vote in favour of.

Why am I even surprised? How many women do we have in the Nigerian Senate?? Remi Tinubu and Oduah, I hope y'all defended the bill too? This should even be the first problem. The average Nigerian man with the average education and exposure does not believe in gender equality, not to talk of the less-than-average, masochistic brains in the National Assembly. So really, I shouldn't be surprised that this bill was thrown out

No way! Who am I kidding? I am shocked! Nays have it on a basic fundamental human rights issue??!!

I'm so not proud to be a Nigerian at this moment. Shame!!

Ma but we have a constitution which subscribes to fundamental human right nan what is the need of passing another paper again?

SirShymexx:


Can you tell me how the system has failed women cos the last I checked boys and girls are given the same opportunity from a young age? They attend the same schools, have the same tutors, do the same exams etc.? And when it comes to employment opportunities, it's far easier for women than men. Women just can't compete with men - that's the honest truth. And even if they were to pass this bill, it won't change anything cos men will always outperform women.

Now compare it to race where blacks and whites are culturally different and the system is more favourable to you depending on ya shade. Then you've the generational bridge where whites are far richer than blacks and the schools in black communities are the worst schools. However, in cases where blacks and whites are given the same opportunities - the black kids always outperform the white kids. That's a fact and you can confirm that in any middle/upper class environment.

Leave race out of it.

You were arguing that you cant give black women a mile few minutes ago which to means you think the system is not equal when it come to gender now you think the bill wont change anything. If that is the truth, Why did the bill fail to pass since it is that insignificant? You are making assumptions before the fact that it wont change anything

When you make this comparisons one will assume that men and women had the same head start. I took a long time to women to even be able to vote or get into STEM programs. Elizabeth Blackwell who was the first person have a medical degree in the US was admitted only because her male peers allowed it.

how is it really different from race? It is not as if every race had the same head start after the industrial revolution

Daverytimes:


[size=18pt]You are an idiot and those who liked your comments likewise. People like you are why Nigeria will not be leaving its impoverished and backwards state anytime soon, am ashamed to see how many like you got because its a reflection of just how many illiterates we have on nairaland and Nigeria as a whole. What utter shame, you all carry religion on your heads anytime you want to advocate for the repression of peoples, never for the good[/size].

I don't understand what u mean by illitrate because i also likek his comment?

The problem with we Africans is that we are still in slavery. Our leaders are colonising us economical while the west are colonising us mentally by making us believe their way of thought is supreme! What has equal rights done in the western states? I don't even understand while we are talking of equal rights when the constitution does not allow room for inequality of persons.

lahit14:


Lol next 20year, pls stop decieving her, neva mind nigeria, evn the united states in all of their over 200 years of existence hv neva had a voted female president, why did u tink obama won, the real truth is becos it came down to hilary or obama. They decided to finally give the black dude a chance becos deep down they didn't want to go for hilary, in history (1920s) thr has only been one acting female president one edith wilson, woodrow's second wife, she ran the oval offic for 17months after her husband was incapacitated by a massive stroke and back then the US constitution didn't say wht will happen if the president becomes incapacitated (it does now). The only woman that had some reasonable power was the speaker OBJ used power to put, u see wht happnd to her, 144milion setup. If the freeiest country could not evn for once vote a woman president evn if its just to prove a point to the world how then can nigeria, a country driven by relegious believes, pragmatism and prejudice. Nah!!!! So dude could u pls kindly tell the lady the truth by adding one more zero behind ur 20. Its only fair

badt dude!

kalakuta11:
there is nothing like that in nigeria cos the law has not been passed. And its not fairness its cheating. read the bill well before u shout about alimony and inequality

Read the bill again

*sighs*

Learn better lie

kalakuta11:
I dont have a problem with the law as long as no more bride price, no more alimony, everyone responsible for his or her self after divorce. example a man make one billion dollars and marries a woman and she start cheating then he divorce her, he will now pay her 500 million dollars cos of marriage of one two years. biko this law is just injustice to men no equality. cos i never see where a man start struggling for his wife money after divorce. I never hear when a woman pay a man alimony for nigeria.

I only oppose violence against women.
thats all

Hmmmm thats why they don't like marrying,you will mostly here them say ''Marriage is just a document''

Missy89:

You were arguing that you cant give black women a mile few minutes ago which to means you think the system is not equal when it come to gender now you think the bill wont change anything. If that is the truth, Why did the bill fail to pass since it is that insignificant? You are making assumptions before the fact that it wont change anything

When you make this comparisons one will assume that men and women had the same head start. I took a long time to women to even be able to vote or get into STEM programs. Elizabeth Blackwell who was the first person have a medical degree in the US was admitted only because her male peers allowed it.

how is it really different from race? It is not as if every race had the same head start after the industrial revolution

You're conflating two things here. What I posited about "you cant give black women a mile" has more to do with how belligerent women would get when it comes to their traditional duties (cos black women are notorious for translating everything upside down e.g the African woman's translation of feminism), not opportunities. When it comes to opportunities, both genders are given the same opportunities from a young age. I'm sure you attended the same elementary/nursery, primary, and secondary schools with boys...but how come the boys outperformed the girls? Ditto college and university?

Whatever bill they want to pass won't change anything since both men and women have equal rights/opportunities. I think the lousy bill has more to do with face value than anything concrete cos last I checked women in Nigeria are allowed to attend any school of their choice and apply for any job.

How does head start negate the fact that men are out competing women in almost every facet today that they have the same opportunities? Is head start the reason why Hilary Clinton failed woefully as the US secretary of state and John Kerry had to clean up her mess? Ditto Madeleine Albright?

Comparing race to gender is as asinine as comparing gay rights to black racial struggle. Stop it.

Lecturebidz:

Ma but we have a constitution which subscribes to fundamental human right nan what is the need of passing another paper again?

I agree that we do.not need another law provided the Nigerian constitution gives effect to UN declaration of HR. Subscribing to it is not enough.

Daverytimes:


[size=14pt]Spare me the drivel, i am a man but a man of principle. Everyone has a right to their opinion but that doesn't mean their opinion will be right, such opinions that deny women basic human rights because "they are created from men" are highly idiotic and borne out of lack of common sense. Also what the heck is this? "I pety dis country when d lyks of U gets d so called equality, cuz U can murder Ur hobby", are you really serious? The thousands of women being murdered now by their husbands nko? are you saying the privilege to murders ones hubby should be bestowed to men? how regressive can one be.[/size]

Please who denied the basic human right of women? The Nigeria Constitution has already given every one the same right(Chapter IV of 1999 CFRN,Section 33-33 as amended)
So why should the bill be passed? Should we also pass into law,the right of children,the right of men,the right of physically challenged citizen et al ?

lesbiangirl:
What do u expect Wen majority of dem are illiterates with fufu-stuffed bellies

Women are in trouble. Instead of dem to get serious abt what they need as a gender most of dem are busy tryna be runs girls, waist-training, learning how to do unrealistic makeups, chasing horsebands sideboos or tryna be a sidechick or babymama. How many of dem knew dt d bill was to be passed today noone!

Nobody can fight for you except God or you yourself! Sadly women have lost sight of things.

MODIFIED: after reading comments on this thread I'll say ladies shudnt waste their breath on the men; coz we failed on this one. How long are we gonna keep blaming the men, the likes of Remi, Stella, Abike and co are extremely useless and foolish. Have never met people dt slow before. You mean they cudnt rally women and support d bill, all they knw is how to embezzle money and all. How are the men gonna take us seriously if we don't put more effort on it. Educate every man in ur life concerning d bill coz am sure none of d myopic males commenting didn't read what d bill is all abt. They're just blabbing abt a woman nt collecting their money. How much una get sef for dis forum

Women need to do regroup, re-strategize and also kick dose useless women in d senate out! My 2kobo

Ive looked at some of the provisions of that bill and frankly they are impractical. Employment and other opportunities should be on merit. Some of the other issues such as inheritance I believe should already be addressed adequately in the existing laws

Missy89

This is from the UK - enjoy.

Boys outperform girls in maths – weekly news review

Research of the week
Girls lack confidence in maths and science

A major international study, based on the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development’s (OECD) tests and surveys, suggests girls lack confidence in their ability to solve maths and science problems. The research found that girls do worse than boys in maths, despite outperforming them overall. Boys come out top even among high-performing students.

But girls were found to have a more positive attitude to school in general; many read for pleasure and were less likely to play video games. The OECD said: “Even many high-achieving girls have low levels of confidence in their ability to solve science and mathematics problems.”
http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2015/mar/06/boys-outperform-girls-in-maths-weekly-news-review

^^^And that's despite the fact that they study more than boys. Boys spend more time playing video games, yet they smack girls in STEM.

Most of Nigeria lost it when 20 new federating units were progressively created from one northern federating unit, but only 17 new federating units created for two southern federating units. On independence day in 1960, three federating units - north, southeast and southwest agreed to form one independent country. North must not have 19 states +Abuja new federating units.

With three senators from every state, northern Nigeria with more Muslims thus literally owns Nigeria. Others can speak dogon turenchi in the NASS for hours, at the vote, north has it. Who must be president, the north has final say, and in a big way.

No federal country created new federating units with use of land mass as criterion, as was done by northern soldiers in creating Nigeria's 36 states+Abuja political structure.

For example, who can think of dividing the large states of California and Texas in the USA into about four new states each, without dividing the smaller US states in the same proportion?

Omo Igbo have been crying for political restructuring in a democratic manner, but some Nigerians don't understand why.

SirShymexx:


You're conflating two things here. What I posited about "you cant give black women a mile" has more to do with how belligerent women would get when it comes to their traditional duties (cos black women are notorious for translating everything upside down e.g the African woman's translation of feminism), not opportunities. When it comes to opportunities, both genders are given the same opportunities from a young age. I'm sure you attended the same elementary/nursery, primary, and secondary schools with boys...but how come the boys outperformed the girls? Ditto college and university?

Whatever bill they want to pass won't change anything since both men and women have equal rights/opportunities. I think the lousy bill has more to do with face value than anything concrete cos last I checked women in Nigeria are allowed to attend any school of their choice and apply for any job.

How does head start negate the fact that men are out competing women in almost every facet today that they have the same opportunities? Is head start the reason why Hilary Clinton failed woefully as the US secretary of state and John Kerry had to clean up her mess? Ditto Madeleine Albright?

Comparing race to gender is as asinine as comparing gay rights to black racial struggle. Stop it.

So let me ask you since you keep throwing this statistics around.

Are you saying both genders start attending schools at the same time? Did they have this opportunity at the same time from the inception of colleges and universities

Even when women started attending school in huge numbers it took time before they started getting into the STEM programs you are using as a yardstick. I would love to see the same stats as per social sciences etc.

Your cabinet positions examples are just not worth debating. First, these people dont set policies they only implement them. Secondly, if we are to use your logic, are you saying Condi Rice cleaned up Powell's mess after making dubious a case for the Iraq war at the UN?

SirShymexx:


You're conflating two things here. What I posited about "you cant give black women a mile" has more to do with how belligerent women would get when it comes to their traditional duties (cos black women are notorious for translating everything upside down e.g the African woman's translation of feminism), not opportunities. When it comes to opportunities, both genders are given the same opportunities from a young age. I'm sure you attended the same elementary/nursery, primary, and secondary schools with boys...but how come the boys outperformed the girls? Ditto college and university?

Whatever bill they want to pass won't change anything since both men and women have equal rights/opportunities. I think the lousy bill has more to do with face value than anything concrete cos last I checked women in Nigeria are allowed to attend any school of their choice and apply for any job.

How does head start negate the fact that men are out competing women in almost every facet today that they have the same opportunities? Is head start the reason why Hilary Clinton failed woefully as the US secretary of state and John Kerry had to clean up her mess? Ditto Madeleine Albright?

Comparing race to gender is as asinine as comparing gay rights to black racial struggle. Stop it.

When we were children,the girls helped their mothers in the kitchen,sweep the compound,,weed the farm,fetch water and do some low energy consuming work while we the boys,tilled the soil,cleared the bushes on the farm and in the coompound,bring down trees,built huts and mounted dried woven grasses on it,went hunting and did all the hard jobs. We were told that men are stronger than women thus hard to do the hard jobs,today we are hearing of equal rights. If women want equal rights, they should start treating their children equal so that when that generation comes everything will be done equally.

Missy89:

So let me ask you since you keep throwing this statistics around.

Are you saying both genders start attending schools at the same time? Did they have this opportunity at the same time from the inception of colleges and universities

Even when women started attending school in huge numbers it took time before they started getting into the STEM programs you are using as a yardstick. I would love to see the same stats as per social sciences etc.

Your cabinet positions examples are just not worth debating. First, these people dont set policies they only implement them. Secondly, if we are to use your logic, are you saying Condi Rice cleaned up Powell's mess after making dubious a case for the Iraq war at the UN?

No, we're talking about modern (contemporary) times. Girls and boys start school at the same age. Attend the same schools. Have the same tutors etc. So that's equal opportunities.

When women started getting into STEM programmes is inconsequential. What's is their performance vis-a-vis men now that they're in it?

So, implemented policies are the reason why Hilary Clinton was undiplomatic in her approach as the US secretary of state, the reason why she effed up almost everything, and also the reason why she said "we came, we saw, and he died" after assassinating the leader of a sovereign country illegally? Would a man have done that? Are they also the reason why Madeleine Albright decided on her own accord at the last minute to turn a blind eye to the Rwandan genocide?

Also, what mess did the utter failure, Condi Rice, clean up cos she's one of the most hated Americans ever, while Colin Powell remains one of the most loved Americans ever, despite his imperfections? Powell was never part of the war brigade apart from assisting them in lying, hence he left the position. However, Condi Rice was one of the brains behind it, hence any time folks talk about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, et al, they always mention her - yet they never mention Powell's name.

The funniest thing is that: all the women in Obama's government, from Susan Rice, to Victoria Nuland, et al are some of the worst people to ever hold any position. Or are implemented policies the reason why Victoria Nuland opened her mouth to say "Fvck EU" in Ukraine? Women are just generally incompetent and too emotional.

Anyway, I'm out. Respect the man...you can't be the man. Play ya position.

SirShymexx:


No, we're talking about modern (contemporary) times. Girls and boys start school at the same age. Attend the same schools. Have the same tutors etc. So that's equal opportunities.

When women started getting into STEM programmes is inconsequential. What's is their performance vis-a-vis men now that they're in it?

So, implemented policies are the reason why Hilary Clinton was undiplomatic in her approach as the US secretary of state, the reason why she effed up almost everything, and also the reason why she said "we came, we saw, and he died" after assassinating the leader of a sovereign country illegally? Would a man have done that? Are they also the reason why Madeleine Albright decided on her own accord at the last minute to turn a blind eye to the Rwandan genocide?

Also, what mess did the utter failure, Condi Rice, clean up cos she's one of the most hated Americans ever, while Colin Powell remains one of the most loved Americans ever, despite his imperfections? Powell was never part of the war brigade apart from assisting them in lying, hence he left the position. However, Condi Rice was one of the brains behind it, hence any time folks talk about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, et al, they always mention her - yet they never mention Powell's name.

The funniest thing is that: all the women in Obama's government, from Susan Rice, to Victoria Nuland, et al are some of the worst people to ever hold any position. Or are implemented policies the reason why Victoria Nuland opened her mouth to say "Fvck EU" in Ukraine? Women are just generally incompetent and too emotional.

Anyway, I'm out. Respect the man...you can't be the man. Play ya position.

Lol @ modern contemporary times. But when it comes to race, You were talking about Imhotep How about you discuss race since lets say after jim crow or apartheid? Keep deceiving yourself.

The example you are citing from politics does not make any sense. Nuland, Hilary did not hold any position of authority. If a man was in the position of Nuland, tell me what he would have done differently. If you want to talk about female incompetence, Please cite the ones that actually hold positions of Authority

How about you compare Schröder to Merkel , Lagarde to DominiqueStrauss-Kahn, Barra to Akerson , Rometty to Palmisano etc

Those are powerful women that will match their record with their male counterparts any day. Stop comparing them with bureaucrats who are mouth pieces and foot soldiers of different administrations.

Nigerian Senate women with their estranged marriages. What useless advancement is there making the feminine gender equal to the masculine gender? Did you know women never were to be existed had it not been for the request of a man? Did you know there was a reason why the Messiah chose only men as His apostles? Western way of life has already done more harm than good to us. Man! Nigerian women, where are your morals? Have you suddenly become this trivial that you choose to live on the morals of the White people?

olajigaolamide:


The bill na useless. As a man i am not ready to share a dime of the property that i acquired with my sweat with any woman in a situation of divorce

Broda am with u on this, hope you are aware it's normally shared 50/50? heaven bears me witness, I'll rather murder such divorced wife, pass on my wealth to parents/siblings, then go to jail.

lesbiangirl:
What do u expect Wen majority of dem are illiterates with fufu-stuffed bellies

Women are in trouble. Instead of dem to get serious abt what they need as a gender most of dem are busy tryna be runs girls, waist-training, learning how to do unrealistic makeups, chasing horsebands sideboos or tryna be a sidechick or babymama. How many of dem knew dt d bill was to be passed today noone!

Nobody can fight for you except God or you yourself! Sadly women have lost sight of things.

MODIFIED: after reading comments on this thread I'll say ladies shudnt waste their breath on the men; coz we failed on this one. How long are we gonna keep blaming the men, the likes of Remi, Stella, Abike and co are extremely useless and foolish. Have never met people dt slow before. You mean they cudnt rally women and support d bill, all they knw is how to embezzle money and all. How are the men gonna take us seriously if we don't put more effort on it. Educate every man in ur life concerning d bill coz am sure none of d myopic males commenting didn't read what d bill is all abt. They're just blabbing abt a woman nt collecting their money. How much una get sef for dis forum

Women need to do regroup, re-strategize and also kick dose useless women in d senate out! My 2kobo

wetin concern abike? she aint a senator.....and for all who went against the bill, their names shd be published

If only you read their reasons very well

Ohammadike:
But if it is Bill to marry 13 year old girls they will pass that one sharp sharp

Cc yerima

I just hope they pass the bill and signed it into law..... And see how our women will behave

CookieBrown:


Gender equality is not part of our African tradition - Nigerian tradition is now the same as the African tradition? What tradition are we talking about by the way? The same one your knuckle dragging forefathers created out of thin air? If you really believe in this " African tradition" as you claim, why not crawl back into the cave you originated from? Why not take off your English made clothes, Asian made phones, German made cars e.t.c. ? Bloody hypocrite and savage, why are you so afraid of Women? Rubbish African Tradition that has contributed nothing in your life or this World.

You dont have to insult people to make your point. We may have divergent views but its not excuse to be rude. Learn to be civil when commenting.
Btw few years ago when the ineffectual buffoon signed anti-gay bill into law, you all hailed it because homosexualism is against our culture and tradition. So what has changed between then and now You supported govt to make laws based on "african tradition" then, so you can not be heard to complain now. This rejection of equality bill is firmly in line with our tradition. Women are lower than men in africa, period!

mccoy47:
I stand with the senate on this oo. Call me misogynist, call me sexist. I don't care!.
Believe me if this bill was passed, you will start seeing lots of divorce cases from gold digging women as it is applicable to foreign countries!
I mean what does the silly bill tend to achieve by giving women equal right in marriage and divorce! Tah!!!

There is a reason God made woman from the rib of man and no woman is equal to a man!


**modified**
Just saw the part of the bill about violence against women, I think that aspect should be adopted in a separate bill and passed.
#Say no to violence against women.
But for equal rights? Mba!!!

1 of d worst mistake a white man did is to say man and a woman are equal.,

Adaure4ever:
That means that chances of A woman ruling Nigeria as President is so slim.

Did I hear u well,A Woman ruling Nigeria is as impossible as wen u r cooking a stone and expecting to soften

Women can never be equal with men

Never

My guy I'm tryin to give dem hope na....

We all knw as e dey go 4 Naija....

lahit14:


Lol next 20year, pls stop decieving her, neva mind nigeria, evn the united states in all of their over 200 years of existence hv neva had a voted female president, why did u tink obama won, the real truth is becos it came down to hilary or obama. They decided to finally give the black dude a chance becos deep down they didn't want to go for hilary, in history (1920s) thr has only been one acting female president one edith wilson, woodrow's second wife, she ran the oval offic for 17months after her husband was incapacitated by a massive stroke and back then the US constitution didn't say wht will happen if the president becomes incapacitated (it does now). The only woman that had some reasonable power was the speaker OBJ used power to put, u see wht happnd to her, 144milion setup. If the freeiest country could not evn for once vote a woman president evn if its just to prove a point to the world how then can nigeria, a country driven by relegious believes, pragmatism and prejudice. Nah!!!! So dude could u pls kindly tell the lady the truth by adding one more zero behind ur 20. Its only fair