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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by grailife(m): 9:12pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Lol. Naturepower #God is real |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 9:34pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: You might be right but try too grasp the theoretical implications. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 10:12pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Neither do I. Not in the connotation of a scientist. It's like the chicken and egg paradox. The dictionary definition of nothing comes short of addressing empty space, which is something. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 10:19pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Kay17: Nothing is a concept that is beyond the 4th dimension. I don't believe that humans, alive, will ever understand it. Ayahuasca is illegal in most countries, and stigmatized. A wiki gif of 4 dimensional space, our base reference frame: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:8-cell-simple.gif
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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 11:03pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Kay17: God's qualities allow Him to create out of nothing. From all our observations of natural processes there nil evidence of it making any sort of system comparable to life. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 11:19pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
UyiIredia: So where does he stay? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 11:58pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Kay17: God's foreknowledge of his creation , as an all knowing entity , might have given him the intelligence to create it . In other words , nature was presciently designed . Well , if that is above your comprehension , I understand 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 12:02am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96: He is everywhere ? So you have learnt nothing from the Logic of God and Everything |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 12:08am On Mar 18, 2016 |
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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 12:22am On Mar 18, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: He is everywhere now, according to you. Where was he before he created this everywhere in which he now lives? Was he nowhere? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 12:28am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96:before creation, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. there was only God, in his infinity. All of creation is contained within him. He is eternity. He is the container of infinity. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 12:34am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: And he talks to human beings in 2016 who then visit Nairaland to spread his message, right? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 12:36am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96: Bro I need you to think . God is of the immaterial realm and he caused the physical realm to exist . So Nothing means that there was no physical realm . Time/Space are of the material realm Genesis 1 : 1 In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth Now think again , the immaterial realm is still unknown to us- we cant paint a picture of an immaterial realm with the perception of the physical realm - but we were told in the bible God spoke the physical realm and its constituents into existence . And we understand these things by faith . Psalm 33 : 9 9For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast. Hebrew 11 : 3 3By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. So understand when a Christian says that God had a foreknowledge of his creation and caused it to exist by His Word . Nothing means no Material realm . Dont make the mistake of imagining the immaterial realm with your knowledge of the physical realm cc : Joshthefirst -- your opinion on this 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 1:02am On Mar 18, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija:Here's my take bro: Genesis 1 : 1 In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing. Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth. Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself. The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all. God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge 5 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 1:26am On Mar 18, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Are you kidding me? So the "spirit" realm is NOT material because our senses don't perceive it? Actually, your own spirit does perceive it, according to you, what am I saying. FYI, the so called "spirit realm" would be a part of everywhere whether its accessible by the mammalian senses or not. Josh already provided his answer. He claims that the god didn't stay anywhere, not even in the spirit place. He just stood in a corner with no space, time, or matter, or parents. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:34am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: very sagacious . Thanks Josh 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:57am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96: Brother I said that one cannot use his knowledge of the physical realm to describe the spiritual realm |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 8:25am On Mar 18, 2016 |
UyiIredia: My final question: what makes you believe God is the immediate cause of the Universe? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 8:31am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst:.. Since God was in infinity, at what point did he create the Universe? Because in an infinite flux, no point is actually attained. An example, if it takes infinity from point A to B, then it implies B will never be reached since infinity is inexhaustible. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 8:34am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: You have to establish a common authority upon which the Bible can be recognised. In the absence of that, the Bible is just as any other book. Sadly the shallowness of Christianity shows with the steadfast adherence to a mere book. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 9:41am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Kay17: 1) order in the universe 2) design in life 3) consciousness 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 10:07am On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: You can accept anything that you want to accept. I was just surprised that Daily Mail was a scientific journal. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 12:34pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
UyiIredia: 1. A tree exhibits order as well, yet it will be ridiculous to claim all trees are directly planted by God. 2. Everything on earth is "designed" including a zygote 3. The Universe is conscious? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 3:10pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Kay17:Never said God was in infinity. I said God himself is infinity and eternity, and everything is contained in him. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 3:20pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96:As I have clarified, before the origin of place, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. There was no corner God was standing in. There was only his Word, calling everything into existence. Birthing place itself from the vastness of his powerful nature. That is what we believe as Christians, so stop mocking like an eediot. If you do not respect my belief, it is hypocritical of you to expect me to expect your own belief of cluelessness. Stop asking us questions if you cannot handle the answers we give. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 4:01pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Did he swallow that up too?! When you say God is infinity and eternal what do you mean? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 4:04pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Oh, I have no problem with your wild speculations about the initial singularity. What I find interesting is that you speak to the god, the energy source of the singularity, and yet your actions don't justify the claim. For example, why waste your precious time here on NL , when you already know everything? |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 4:36pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Weah96:How does speaking to god grant me omniscience? |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Joshthefirst(m): 4:41pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Kay17:I mean he is beyond everything and beyond everywhere. I mean that he is the origin of everything that is, and by everything, i mean everything. space, time, energy, the realms material and immaterial. I mean he is boundless and limitless and without end and immortal. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 5:42pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Because you have a direct access to the divine google. Whatever you want you know, you can ask the invisible divine oracle in your head or heart. That's what I mean when I say that your actions do not match your claims. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 5:51pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: The talking god existed without being in anything, not even empty space. It was just the talking god by himself without space, time, matter, and even "spirit realm." What a miserable existence!!! But how did it create the first SOMETHING?? Any ideas? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 5:59pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: From which he created from Nothingness.. Ok. 1 Like 1 Share |
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