Lol. Naturepower #God is real

Joshthefirst:
I don't believe there is such a thing as Nothing.

You might be right but try too grasp the theoretical implications.

Joshthefirst:
I don't believe there is such a thing as Nothing.

Neither do I. Not in the connotation of a scientist. It's like the chicken and egg paradox.

The dictionary definition of nothing comes short of addressing empty space, which is something.

Kay17:


You can explain yourself

Nothing is a concept that is beyond the 4th dimension. I don't believe that humans, alive, will ever understand it. Ayahuasca is illegal in most countries, and stigmatized.

A wiki gif of 4 dimensional space, our base reference frame:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:8-cell-simple.gif

Kay17:


But you have a problem with natural processes pulling out rabbits from a hat?! Nonetheless God would have had an unrestrained hand in creating the Universe from nothing ( I'm assuming God has the power to do so). He could write whatever laws of physics he wants to, right?

God's qualities allow Him to create out of nothing. From all our observations of natural processes there nil evidence of it making any sort of system comparable to life.

UyiIredia:


God's qualities allow Him to create out of nothing. From all our observations of natural processes there nil evidence of it making any sort of system comparable to life.

So where does he stay?

Kay17:


To be sincere that's a daft post. No intelligence was required to make it.

God's foreknowledge of his creation , as an all knowing entity , might have given him the intelligence to create it . In other words , nature was presciently designed . Well , if that is above your comprehension , I understand

Weah96:


So where does he stay?

He is everywhere ? So you have learnt nothing from the Logic of God and Everything

Joshthefirst:
Thank you abeg

KingEbukaNaija:


He is everywhere ? So you have learnt nothing from the Logic of God and Everything

He is everywhere now, according to you. Where was he before he created this everywhere in which he now lives? Was he nowhere?

Weah96:


He is everywhere now, according to you. Where was he before he created this everywhere in which he now lives? Was he nowhere?

before creation, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. there was only God, in his infinity. All of creation is contained within him. He is eternity. He is the container of infinity.

Joshthefirst:
before creation, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. there was only God, in his infinity. All of creation is contained within him. He is eternity. He is the container of infinity.

And he talks to human beings in 2016 who then visit Nairaland to spread his message, right?

Weah96:


Neither do I. Not in the connotation of a scientist. It's like the chicken and egg paradox.

The dictionary definition of nothing comes short of addressing empty space, which is something.

Bro I need you to think . God is of the immaterial realm and he caused the physical realm to exist . So Nothing means that there was no physical realm . Time/Space are of the material realm

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Now think again , the immaterial realm is still unknown to us- we cant paint a picture of an immaterial realm with the perception of the physical realm - but we were told in the bible God spoke the physical realm and its constituents into existence . And we understand these things by faith .

Psalm 33 : 9

9For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.

Hebrew 11 : 3

3By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

So understand when a Christian says that God had a foreknowledge of his creation and caused it to exist by His Word . Nothing means no Material realm . Dont make the mistake of imagining the immaterial realm with your knowledge of the physical realm

cc : Joshthefirst -- your opinion on this

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro I need you to think . God is of the immaterial realm and he caused the physical realm to exist . So Nothing means that there was no physical realm . Time/Space are of the material realm

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Now think again , the immaterial realm is still unknown to us- we cant paint a picture of an immaterial realm with the perception of the physical realm - but we were told in the bible God spoke the physical realm and its constituents into existence . And we understand these things by faith .

Psalm 33 : 9


Hebrew 11 : 3


So understand when a Christian says that God had a foreknowledge of his creation and caused it to exist by His Word . Nothing means no Material realm . Dont make the mistake of imagining the immaterial realm with your knowledge of the physical realm

cc : JoshTheFirst -- your opinion on this

Here's my take bro:

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing.

Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth.
Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself.

The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all.

God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro I need you to think . God is of the immaterial realm and he caused the physical realm to exist . So Nothing means that there was no physical realm . Time/Space are of the material realm

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Now think again , the immaterial realm is still unknown to us- we cant paint a picture of an immaterial realm with the perception of the physical realm - but we were told in the bible God spoke the physical realm and its constituents into existence . And we understand these things by faith .

Psalm 33 : 9


Hebrew 11 : 3


So understand when a Christian says that God had a foreknowledge of his creation and caused it to exist by His Word . Nothing means no Material realm . Dont make the mistake of imagining the immaterial realm with your knowledge of the physical realm

cc : Joshthefirst -- your opinion on this

Are you kidding me? So the "spirit" realm is NOT material because our senses don't perceive it? Actually, your own spirit does perceive it, according to you, what am I saying.

FYI, the so called "spirit realm" would be a part of everywhere whether its accessible by the mammalian senses or not.

Josh already provided his answer. He claims that the god didn't stay anywhere, not even in the spirit place. He just stood in a corner with no space, time, or matter, or parents.

Joshthefirst:
Here's my take bro:

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing.

Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth.
Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself.

The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all.

God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge

very sagacious . Thanks Josh

Weah96:


Are you kidding me? So the "spirit" realm is NOT material because our senses don't perceive it? Actually, your own spirit does perceive it, according to you, what am I saying.

FYI, the so called "spirit realm" would be a part of everywhere whether its accessible by the mammalian senses or not.

Josh already provided his answer. He claims that the god didn't stay anywhere, not even in the spirit place. He just stood in a corner with no space, time, or matter, or parents.

Brother I said that one cannot use his knowledge of the physical realm to describe the spiritual realm

UyiIredia:


God's qualities allow Him to create out of nothing. From all our observations of natural processes there nil evidence of it making any sort of system comparable to life.

My final question: what makes you believe God is the immediate cause of the Universe?

Joshthefirst:
before creation, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. there was only God, in his infinity. All of creation is contained within him. He is eternity. He is the container of infinity.

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Since God was in infinity, at what point did he create the Universe? Because in an infinite flux, no point is actually attained. An example, if it takes infinity from point A to B, then it implies B will never be reached since infinity is inexhaustible.

Joshthefirst:
Here's my take bro:

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing.

Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth.
Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself.

The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all.

God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge

You have to establish a common authority upon which the Bible can be recognised. In the absence of that, the Bible is just as any other book.

Sadly the shallowness of Christianity shows with the steadfast adherence to a mere book.

Kay17:


My final question: what makes you believe God is the immediate cause of the Universe?

1) order in the universe 2) design in life 3) consciousness

Joshthefirst:
sciencedaily isn't a scientific journal also.

There are many sites that try to report/interpret scientific trends

Do you want us to accept only original journal entries as sources?

You can accept anything that you want to accept. I was just surprised that Daily Mail was a scientific journal.

UyiIredia:


1) order in the universe 2) design in life 3) consciousness

1. A tree exhibits order as well, yet it will be ridiculous to claim all trees are directly planted by God.

2. Everything on earth is "designed" including a zygote

3. The Universe is conscious?

Kay17:
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Since God was in infinity, at what point did he create the Universe? Because in an infinite flux, no point is actually attained. An example, if it takes infinity from point A to B, then it implies B will never be reached since infinity is inexhaustible.

Never said God was in infinity. I said God himself is infinity and eternity, and everything is contained in him.

Weah96:

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FYI, the so called "spirit realm" would be a part of everywhere whether its accessible by the mammalian senses or not.

Josh already provided his answer. He claims that the god didn't stay anywhere, not even in the spirit place. He just stood in a corner with no space, time, or matter, or parents.

As I have clarified, before the origin of place, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. There was no corner God was standing in. There was only his Word, calling everything into existence. Birthing place itself from the vastness of his powerful nature. That is what we believe as Christians, so stop mocking like an eediot. If you do not respect my belief, it is hypocritical of you to expect me to expect your own belief of cluelessness.

Stop asking us questions if you cannot handle the answers we give.

Joshthefirst:
Never said God was in infinity. I said God himself is infinity and eternity, and everything is contained in him.

Did he swallow that up too?! When you say God is infinity and eternal what do you mean?

Joshthefirst:
As I have clarified, before the origin of place, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. There was no corner God was standing in. There was only his Word, calling everything into existence. Birthing place itself from the vastness of his powerful nature. That is what we believe as Christians, so stop mocking like an eediot. If you do not respect my belief, it is hypocritical of you to expect me to expect your own belief of cluelessness.

Stop asking us questions if you cannot handle the answers we give.

Oh, I have no problem with your wild speculations about the initial singularity.

What I find interesting is that you speak to the god, the energy source of the singularity, and yet your actions don't justify the claim. For example, why waste your precious time here on NL , when you already know everything?

Weah96:



Oh, I have no problem with your wild speculations about the initial singularity.

What I find interesting is that you speak to the god, the energy source of the singularity, and yet your actions don't justify the claim. For example, why waste your precious time here on NL , when you already know everything?

How does speaking to god grant me omniscience?

Kay17:


Did he swallow that up too?! When you say God is infinity and eternal what do you mean?

I mean he is beyond everything and beyond everywhere.

I mean that he is the origin of everything that is, and by everything, i mean everything. space, time, energy, the realms material and immaterial.

I mean he is boundless and limitless and without end and immortal.

Joshthefirst:
How does speaking to god grant me omniscience?

Because you have a direct access to the divine google.

Whatever you want you know, you can ask the invisible divine oracle in your head or heart.

That's what I mean when I say that your actions do not match your claims.

Joshthefirst:
I mean he is beyond everything and beyond everywhere.

I mean that he is the origin of everything that is, and by everything, i mean everything. space, time, energy, the realms material and immaterial.

I mean he is boundless and limitless and without end and immortal.

The talking god existed without being in anything, not even empty space.

It was just the talking god by himself without space, time, matter, and even "spirit realm."

What a miserable existence!!!

But how did it create the first SOMETHING?? Any ideas?

Joshthefirst:
I mean he is beyond everything and beyond everywhere.

I mean that he is the origin of everything that is, and by everything, i mean everything. space, time, energy, the realms material and immaterial.

I mean he is boundless and limitless and without end and immortal.

From which he created from Nothingness..

Ok.