Krispearl:
@Grafikdon @enitan2002 @Hndholder i need crossbearers to relate with. My email: titilola0831@gmail.com

Sorry, I am an atheist now, but if you still wish to talk, you are free to send a PM to me.

This Grail Shall be Filled with The Blood of The Innocent
Posted on June 20, 2008 by Rob Taylor
In 1931 Austrian Oskar Ernst Bernhardt published a book of Christian mysticism called In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message under the name Abd-Ru-Shin which devotees claim means Son, workman or servant of the light. The book is a complex read, rewarding to the academic in that it shows the influence of Theosophy, Orientalism and what we’ll simply call the pre-New Age movement on Christian seekers increasingly separated from traditional theology in the rational age.

The Nazis banned the book and arrested Bernhardt. They released him on the condition he no longer have contact with the growing Grail Message movement he was leading. Later the Communist East Germans banned the book. For most academics this is simply indicative of authoritarian regimes squashing movements that have messages counter to political orthodoxy. But is there a more sinister aspect to the Grail Message that even Nazis and Communists, both movements of extraordinary bloodthirstiness, found horrifying?

One key point to Bernhardt’s writings is the idea that intellect, unguided by spirituality, is a tool of darkness. It is through pure rationalism that Lucifer lures us from the light of God, according to Bernhardt, and while it’s a metaphysically interesting point it is also one that can be easily twisted into supporting the idea of irrationality as holy. That in turn is a slippery slope for those of unstable character, as this recent horrific case from the Czech Republic proves:

A BOY of eight was kept chained in a cellar by his cannibal family — as they ATE parts of him.

Sobbing Ondrej Mauerova was rescued alive when a neighbour’s TV picked up footage from a camera filming his agony.

He had been partially skinned after monstrous mum Klara, 31, caged him for months while relatives who were also in a sick cult feasted on his raw flesh, an appalled judge heard yesterday.

The Christian understands that the flesh and blood of Christ consumed at the mass are not literal bits of flesh and blood, but are transmogrified by Christ to contain the essence of him which he passes on to his followers. However the weak willed and the deviant will often be attracted to the cannibalistic and vampiric undertones of Christian mythology, and coupled with a lack of centralized religious authority groups may pervert the Christian symbolism into a more sinister ritual

Aleister Crowley’s Mass of the Phoenix, for example, contains literal interpretation (some would say blaspheming) of the Mass wherein supplicants cut their chest and soak a wafer in their own blood to be consumed later in the rite. While this rite of Crowely’s own devising may be essentially harmless it illustrates the manner in which pseudo-Christian blood rites may come into being. Crowley incorporated the anti-Catholic imaginings of his fundamentalist protestant family into his Thelemic works, thus producing what most Christians would probably mistake for a Black Mass.

Likewise these Czech Grailists, who the mainstream Grail Movement claims they cut ties with sometime in the early 90s due to their “imaginings and fantasies,” were no doubt re-enacting the communion within the context of some other framework. The Grail myth is inextricably linked to blood and death, and for unstable people this might be the foundation for a modern cannibal cult that most people would have previously thought was mere fiction.

The case is also extremely bizarre because it centers around the mysterious “Anna” A.K.A. Barbora Skrlova, who the mother of the victim is even now claiming brainwashed her into committing horrible atrocities. Yet when the police raided the home Skrlova posed as a 13-year-old girl and was taken into protective custody. The 34-year-old then fled and was later arrested posing as a boy in Norway. Some reports claim that the mother of the victim falsified documents so she could adopt the non-existent “Anna” who was attempting to create an entirely new identity.

The Sun is reporting that Skrlova, sisters Klara and Katerina Mauerova and three other adults all took orders from another cult member called “The Doctor” who contacted them by phone, leading to speculation that the cult is much larger than we would think. So far six people are under arrest in this case. But how much larger might this group have grown in the 11 or so years since they were excommunicated from The Grail Movement.

Bernhardt’s writings are prosaic by today’s standards. But is there a seed of horror waiting to bloom in the minds of those who believe that humanity has fallen due to its embrace of its intellect?

When Bernhardt’s disciples preach a new gospel of irrationality are they sowing the seeds of nightmares in the minds of their followers? The simple answer is yes, that a radical theology based on devolution produces devolved adherents. A movement that sees man as fallen fosters antinomianism and ultimately criminality.

When a cult sees man and his laws as in league with evil, there is no law or taboo that remains, in their minds, intact.


http://www.red-alerts.com/crime-news/this-grail-shall-be-filled-with-the-blood-of-the-innocent/

enitan2002:

Sorry, I am an atheist now, but if you still wish to talk, you are free to send a PM to me.

@enitan2002 I'm shocked to find out that you are now an atheist. This is because, when this thread started years ago, you were one of the strongest adherents of the grail message. I would sincerely like to know what exactly made you change your beliefs. Maybe there's some new enlightenment that can be useful to all the people that may have been motivated by your comments to become adherents. Thanks

HimHer:

@enitan2002 I'm shocked to find out that you are now an atheist. This is because, when this thread started years ago, you were one of the strongest adherents of the grail message. I would sincerely like to know what exactly made you change your beliefs. Maybe there's some new enlightenment that can be useful to all the people that may have been motivated by your comments to become adherents. Thanks

Each every one of us has different paths to tread, hope you will find yours. The Grail Message led me to the path of atheism, if you keep asking questions just like the message advised, you will soon find your way out of any spiritual/religious fold.

enitan2002:


Each every one of us has different paths to tread, hope you will find yours. The Grail Message led me to the path of atheism, if you keep asking questions just like the message advised, you will soon find your way out of any spiritual/religious fold.

I hardly believe that a person who has read the Grail Message will assert that It led him to atheism.

@enitan, which portion of the Grail message encourages atheism

nwadinma:
i resently met a friend whom i think i am going to love but the problem is that he belongs to the grel world( attends grel center).

i want to know all i can about this religion and please any one with a vital infor will be appreciated . thank you so much.
i also want to knw if my life will be in danger if i continue to be with him.

Have you heard of New Age? Thats what grail message is. Is an Atheistic ideology crafted to draw man inward, to himself rather than outward, to God.
I have read alittle about them. I stopped studying them when I read a book written by one of them, I wish I can remember the Title again. In that book the author was narrating our links with plants, flowers especially. It is a very serious issue stepping on a flower, but inside that same book, the author addressed the issue of abortion. He said, a parent has every right to terminate or kill an unborn baby, if they so choose. They dodn't refer to the unborn child as a baby. They said, until the child is born is still an IT. A thing, not human. The author talk about SOUL, you are SOUL, but the child inside the womb is not SOUL yet, until the umbilical cord is cut off, so you can kill him/her.
And there's nothing like sin there. Whatever is right to you is right, whatever is wrong to you is wrong. Morality is relative.
This is the very little I know of those guys. They don't believe in a supreme being, you are the Supreme being. That sounds like Satan to me.

I didn’t want to participate in this thread at first, but the type of lie that analice107 told here is shocking.
How can a human being tell such a lie!!! Every word he wrote is totally false and without any iota of truth. It is very shameful for a human being to lie like this!

@ nwabinma,
The Grail message is simply a book that explains life, spirituality, God, and the son of God Jesus; and also how we humans should live in order to be able to return to Paradise. The Grail is not a religion, it is neither a cult, nor a movement; it is simply a teaching.

Many readers or adherents have formed, groups, movements, religions and etc; but these and the Grail message are two different things. The writer of the Grail message did not wish to found a new religion, neither did He demand that you must join any group, religion or movement in order to read or adhere to the teachings of the Grail message.

Contrary to what analice107 said, based on the teachings of the Grail it is a sin to kill another human being. Nobody has the right to take the life of another human being, irrespective of whether the human being is an unborn baby. Therefore abortion is a sin. The Grail message never said that an unborn child does not have a soul; I don’t know where analice107 got his false information from.

In the following thread, the Grail message was discussed; you might want to take a look at it. https://www.nairaland.com/147092/grail-message#2444948

But do not judge the Grail message based on what people say or do. Why don’t you pick a copy and read for yourself, so that you can have your own view of it.

Regarding your friend, if he is really a true adherent of the Grail message, then you have nothing to fear from him. The Grail message exhorts its adherents to “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

@analice107
I challenge you to give me one quote from the Grail message that supports any of your claims. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR!

Hello Justcool.

How are you? Long time.

Analice clearly has no knowledge of the Grail message whatever, has not read it, would not read it and I doubt would really be a person that reads anything anyway. Therefore ignore him/her.

However in this -

The Grail message is simply a book that explains life, spirituality, God, and the son of God Jesus; [GAP] and also how we humans should live in order to be able to return to Paradise.

You know how I have always found it curious whenever any adherent is silent on it's expositions on the Son of Man as distinct from the Son of God. Is the Son of Man not to be mentioned in that GAP in red I have interpolated above in your quote, if we are to be really giving a full and honest disclosure of its teachings especially as may be distinct from general Christian doctrine? Not that that really matters though.

Sometime ago I recall that you said you were having some deep internal re-thinking on issues as taught as per your personal convictions. Did that lead to any significant change in your worldview?

DeepSight:

Hello Justcool.
How are you? Long time.
Analice clearly has no knowledge of the Grail message whatever, has not read it, would not read it and I doubt would really be a person that reads anything anyway. Therefore ignore him/her.
However in this -
You know how I have always found it curious whenever any adherent is silent on it's expositions on the Son of Man as distinct from the Son of God. Is the Son of Man not to be mentioned in that GAP in red I have interpolated above in your quote, if we are to be really giving a full and honest disclosure of its teachings especially as may be distinct from general Christian doctrine? Not that that really matters though.
Sometime ago I recall that you said you were having some deep internal re-thinking on issues as taught as per your personal convictions. Did that lead to any significant change in your worldview?

@ Deepsight. Thanks for your concern. I gave the guy a brief idea of what the Grail message is about, and advised him to pick a copy and read himself. I mentiioned concepts he was already familiar with, as I perceive he is a Christian. Hence there was no need mentioning the son of man. If he reads the Grail message as I advised him or if he goes through my writings here on nairaland he will come across the Grail message's explanation about the son of man, who indeed is distinct from the son of God, Jesus. There is no way I could introduce all the knowledge in the Grail message to him at first writing, I only gave him a gist. . . . . I have never doubted any knowledge mediated in the Grail message as your post seemed to suggest. The Grail message has long ago become a living conviction in me. The depth of this conviction is limitless/ infinite, and this I can't explain or mediate to you. Sometimes I retire in prayer to the Almighty God, to gain further clarifications about certain issues, especially on things going on in the world today, this has nothing to do with rethinking the Grail message. Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:
@ Deepsight. Thanks for your concern. I gave the guy a brief idea of what the Grail message is about, and advised him to pick a copy and read himself. I mentiioned concepts he was already familiar with, as I perceive he is a Christian. Hence there was no need mentioning the son of man. If he reads the Grail message as I advised him or if he goes through my writings here on nairaland he will come across the Grail message's explanation about the son of man, who indeed is distinct from the son of God, Jesus. There is no way I could introduce all the knowledge in the Grail message to him at first writing, I only gave him a gist. . . . . I have never doubted any knowledge mediated in the Grail message as your post seemed to suggest. The Grail message has long ago become a living conviction in me. The depth of this conviction is limitless/ infinite, and this I can't explain or mediate to you. Sometimes I retire in prayer to the Almighty God, to gain further clarifications about certain issues, especially on things going on in the world today, this has nothing to do with rethinking the Grail message. Thanks and remain blessed.

Oh great, well understood. You are right indeed, its not possible to begin to discuss that with one who has not read the message. Where would one start from?

How is your book coming along?
I didn't come round to purchasing a copy.

I hope it is still available.
I miss our many discussions on the nature of truth, life, religion, history, science and philosophy.

I'd never forget one in particular. . . "Linear Chance"!
And many others.

When we had a divergence of views on the nature of thoughts (you said they were physical, I said no) - I now see with some of my own deeper experiences how thoughts are rather more tangible than may be thought - no pun intended.

DeepSight:


When we had a divergence of views on the nature of thoughts (you said they were physical, I said no) - I now see with some of my own deeper experiences how thoughts are rather more tangible than may be thought - no pun intended.

. I said thoughts are material, fine gross matter, not physical. Thanks, again.

justcool:
. I said thoughts are material, fine gross matter, not physical. Thanks, again.

Yes, yes, yes. . . I recall. That was the discussion. Pardon my mis-use of words. . . its been a long time.

enitan2002:
@ hnd-holder,
i guess as much with some of your posts i've been coming across on this page gave me the impression u knew a lot about the greatest work i've ever come across"In The Light Of Truth:The Grail Message".Its really my joy to meet a fellow adherent of the grail message here on nairaland.
Wishing to get to know u better.

I'm a seeker. The message is the best thing I've ever come across.