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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 7:49pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
So far no atheist has really answered MrAnony1's question. 4 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 7:55pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You are the one doing so . Let me show you
The persistent use of the word "if" proves you are the one presenting God like He is an assumption or hypothetical model of a creator
God has consciousness I note that you didn't actually respond to what I said, but I'll let it slide. Most of the answers to your questions can be deduced from that response Again just another claim without any evidence or argument to back it up. It does not matter how you see it . I already told you that I know God exists through my experiences . So if you think its a claim ... err I dont know what to tell you 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 7:58pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Yup |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 7:59pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
UyiIredia: I didn't think that the OP was addressed only to Atheists. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 8:20pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Your memory, it seems, is short. That list of 'ifs' is a direct response to you post below. KingEbukaNaija: You hypothesised and I developed your hypothesising.
I hope you can now withdraw your allegation. Thank you.
So consciousness is an attribute of God. God is eternal and so consciousness is eternal. So God cannot have created consciousness.
You don't have to tell me anything. Just accept that you've made a claim that you fail to back up with any evidence or argument. Finish. You don't have to kill yourself over it. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 8:35pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Ah ah ... the "if" there was in response to your argument against this : Atheists believe nature unconsciously and vacuously (randomness and chaos) produced consciousness and intelligence
You misunderstood I hope you can now withdraw your allegation. Still stands Thank you. You welcome So consciousness is an attribute of God. God is eternal and so consciousness is eternal. So God cannot have created consciousness. I know what you are doing , it won't work . Consciousness has always been with God as part of what makes Him who He is . So consciousness being eternal basically means that God has always been aware of Himself . You don't have to tell me anything. Just accept that you've made a claim that you fail to back up with any evidence or argument. Finish. You don't have to kill yourself over it. Lol . I am not angry . You guys sef . 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 9:08pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: There is no way you can look at it and not call it an hypothetical argument. I was responding to your hypothetical argument by extending it. You falsely accused me of introducing the hypothesising. I thought it was due to a short memory but now I see that it's probably due to dishonesty.
I understood what you wrote according to semantics of english language. Perhaps you failed to say just what you meant or thought. That is not my fault. I can only go by what you write.
I'm not surprised.
What am I doing exactly? I'm just asking questions and trying to follow your reasoning. I understand that you believe that God has alwas been aware of himself, therefore he has always been conscious. I therefore said that God could not have created consciousness. Do you agree with this last statement?
I never said you were angry. you made a claim and I pointed out that you've made a claim without evidence to back it up. You then respond with … ' So if you think its a claim' bla blah blah. I just felt that you don't have to put yourself under such pressure. If you don't want to back up your claim that is your prerogative. But one little question to tie things all together. When you say 'So If you think...' are you hypothesising the fact that you made a claim, or will you use that phrase only when you know for certain that you made the claim. From where I sit I've seen many claims for God that are not hypothesis but 'an entity who is existing as we discuss now ', 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 9:40pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Did you skip my response? |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 9:45pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Your ostensible purpose is to follow my reasoning but the real purpose is that you are trying to disassociate consciousness and the entity , God . God did not create himself and is not self existent . So consciousness was not created by God but is what makes Him aware of Himself . He has always been conscious . Still beats your proposition - Deities are a product of consciousness - because God is eternal . I never said you were angry. you made a claim and I pointed out that you've made a claim without evidence to back it up. You then respond with … ' So if you think its a claim' bla blah blah. I just felt that you don't have to put yourself under such pressure. If you don't want to back up your claim that is your prerogative. Lol . And I'm saying its not a claim not even an assertion . Its more of a perspective thing - you see it as a claim and I see it as factual or real But one little question to tie things all together. When you say 'So If you think...' are you hypothesising the fact that you made a claim, or will you use that phrase only when you know for certain that you made the claim. From where I sit I've seen many claims for God that are not hypothesis but 'an entity who is existing as we discuss now ', Whatever you are insinuating , there were no claims made here . Claims are refutable . My statements about God are irrefutable . 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 9:50pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Weah96: Oh what he is trying to say is that while others did not answer correctly or evaded the question circumlocutorily yours was not worth paying attention to |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 10:09pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: The bolded part was all that I wanted you to clarify. I wasn't trying to disassociate anything. You don't really know my position and if you did that would be the last thing you'd say about me.
Did I say that? Or did I say that Buddhism says that? In either case how does it beat the/my proposition. Lol . And I'm saying its not a claim not even an assertion . Its more of a perspective thing - you see it as a claim and I see it as factual or real Let us refresh on the meaning of the english word claim: claim A claim is a claim is a claim. It is something that you've stated. A claim that is true is irrefutable. A claim that is false, as yours most likely is, will have the claimant running about foaming at the mouth and making barbed comments to anyone that asks any questions. I don't suppose you know what a perspective is otherwise you wouldn't have used it for what I think you're trying to say.
You've made claims. Live with it. All your desperation and denying blatant reality is becoming very irritating. I actually started off taking you a little seriously. "there were no claims made here"? 'There were no claims made here"? "THERE WERE NO CLAIMS MADE HERE"? The only thing that can save you is if you admit that you did not know what the word meant. Then you won't be dismissed as an abysmal liar. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 10:10pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: More barbed comments and invectives. How pitiful. How pathetic. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 10:14pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: That was a joke . |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 10:44pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Its an illogical question . I thought you might have understood by now . Asking if God did not create consciousness is like disassociating that attribute from Him . All his attributes - power , intelligence , consciousness are what makes Him who He is . Will you also ask me if God did not create intelligence and emotions too ? Did I say that? Or did I say that Buddhism says that? In either case how does it beat the/my proposition. God is not a product of consciousness . Let us refresh on the meaning of the english word claim: A claim is a claim is a claim. It is something that you've stated. A claim that is true is irrefutable. A claim that is false, as yours most likely is, will have the claimant running about foaming at the mouth and making barbed comments to anyone that asks any questions. You need to understand that I'm a jovial person . Ad hominems for me , are to lighten things if they become too serious . Brother , its a perspective thing - I still stand by this . The atheists' "There is no God" is also a claim . By my reasoning , they see it as a fact and I see it as an opinion or claim . I've experienced God , though impalpable no matter how I try to explain . So last last , "There is no God" and whatever said about it are claims to me and facts to them Do you now understand ? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Weah96: 10:47pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: You're like the spokesperson for your infinity infinity Jewish god as well as a pro bono mouthpiece on NL. I would go talk to my god if I were you. Instead of arguing with mortals. Go to your infinity google and talk to it. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 11:27pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Weah96: ...and PastorAIO turns a blind eye to this - such puerile derision . He may have been the one that liked this comment Pathetic hypocrisy 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 11:38pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Sharrap dia!!! Na me like am... |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 11:58pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Bros, it seems that the entire body of your contributions have been a series of jokes. KingEbukaNaija: Oh, so you weren't joking anymore. KingEbukaNaija: So I take it that God did not create power neither, nor intelligence, etc. They are just his attributes. I was going to ask you, some where done the line but I'd have needed some definitions first and it seems you don't think deeply enough about what you say to even bother to define your terms. Maybe I'll come back to it. KingEbukaNaija: There you have a big fat baseless claim. Just a statement without any argument to back it up. I hope you know the meaning of a claim now. KingEbukaNaija: You're a jovial person? When did you last make anybody laugh? Anyway, so it's a perspective thing. Do you know what a perspective is? A perspective is a point of view. No point of view can be absolute. There's a philosophy based on this. Perspectivism (German: Perspektivismus) is the term coined by Friedrich Nietzsche in developing the philosophical view (touched upon as far back as Plato's rendition of Protagoras) that all ideations take place from particular perspectives. This means that there are many possible conceptual schemes, or perspectives in which judgment of truth or value can be made. This is often taken to imply that no way of seeing the world can be taken as definitively "true", but does not necessarily entail that all perspectives are equally valid.Wikipedia you can have a perspective but surely you know it is dumb to believe that your point of view is the absolute truth and other people's is false. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 11:59pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 12:51am On Mar 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You have a really short memory I defined every term I used . What do you think the hyphens are for ? consciousness - basically safe awareness emotions - responses as a result of being self aware Turin Test - a kind of test that examines how intelligent machines are to know if they close are to thinking like humans I used robotics to explain my propositions . I also explained that for humans , consciousness is needed for intelligence and to exhibit emotions . I also explained that robots don't need consciousness to exhibit intelligence that we can ascertain how intelligent they are e.g Turin Test From the onset I made two bold statements that y'all have failed egregiously to refute 1. Processes can be designed to be random even chaotic as described and still have the efficacy to produce desired results 2. An observer can see processes as Random or chaotic but not necessarily same to the designer . I also used robotics to explain how processes can be designed to follow laws . I explained what Nothingness means . I explained how nature was presciently designed . I employed exegesis . I explained that order from randomness can be a design concept with an example . Aren't all these meaningful contributions ? All you do is sit down and ask unnecessary questions and make blatant non sequiturs You are the one from your shallow questions that know nothing absolutely nothing about what or who is being discussed here . God is eternal , a container of infinity , his attributes are what make him who he is . And still you asked me if he didn't create consciousness Can you imagine Gerarahia mehn 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:00am On Mar 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Mental ills ? From someone who does not have the brains to push beyond the Big Bang ? We Christians have pushed farther , two realms away with perspicuous explanations while your puny-minded kind sit and ridicule . Very shallow and odious I must say . Just take a look at Weah96 :"Go ask your infinity google " - even kids on pampers can't babble such 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:02am On Mar 24, 2016 |
GooseBaba: I believe you na . |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 1:04am On Mar 24, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: You think it's easy to like a post.... And you want to give credit to someone else.... No let natural disaster burst for this thread... |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:06am On Mar 24, 2016 |
GooseBaba: ... oya sorry |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 1:13am On Mar 24, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Push further two realms....!!! LMAO!!! You this guy..... your imagination is clearly high on acute delusion.... I hail ohhh |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:19am On Mar 24, 2016 |
GooseBaba: And he calls it delusion . Do you see why the best descriptions atheists are "shallow" , "puny-minded" , "irrational" , "obtuse" and "close-minded" |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 1:24am On Mar 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: A man who speaks for something abi nothing that is beyond time and space is a very dangerous somebody and very intelligent in his own mind. Paranoia will be a badge of honor.... KingEbukaNaija 1 of NL... I greet you |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:25am On Mar 24, 2016 |
@Goosebaba ... you really need to understand the Logic of God and EVERYTHING EVERYTHING - I hope you'd experience an epiphany when you realise the inherent logical information in that word 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 1:25am On Mar 24, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Wetin come consign me consign atheism... Meanwhile, kindly elaborate on your "two realms "...biko |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by GooseBaba: 1:26am On Mar 24, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: The logic...... According to..............? |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:27am On Mar 24, 2016 |
GooseBaba: Close-mindedness |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by KingEbukaNaija: 1:29am On Mar 24, 2016 |
GooseBaba: It has been done already on this thread . Find it |
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