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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by imohchard(m): 1:41pm On Apr 01, 2016
Dude banks are business organization, they use the dollar to do busineSs.. If they trade at CBN rate they would make loss.. They themselve buy the dollar from oversea and they don't buy it at the CBN rate, they buy it at parales market rate... They can't sell lower than that or else they go bankrupt...


Shaking my head for those shouting corruption... Understand a thread before commenting

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Nobody: 1:42pm On Apr 01, 2016
That man vandalised and squandered the treasury embarassed
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by jennifer22(f): 1:42pm On Apr 01, 2016
Abeg na how much be the price of fuel for your area.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by MSItachi: 1:43pm On Apr 01, 2016
Nairadays:
The banks are now permitted to source for the greenback themselves, not like before where they were offered via the DAS (Dutch Auction System) of the CBN.

When they source from the CBN, they're bound by the law to charge at that rate or slightly higher than the rate at which CBN sold it to them, but now CBN stopped the auction system partly due to the fact that our foreign reserves have been depleting since the fall in crude prices, and so therefore banks are mandated to source for it themselves. They're not bound by the CBN official rates trading anymore but blackmarket rates.

It's so painful, heard from my colleagues that one certain bank was even charging NGN398 to $1.

May God deliver us from the mercy of these banks.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Nobody: 1:43pm On Apr 01, 2016
ikombe:
Apc government and corruption be like beans and bread. They work hand in hand cheesy

CBN is no longer selling to banks due to the fall in forex. As a result, banks have to search for forex via the parallel market...hence the rise in price.

It is not corruption
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Firefire(m): 1:43pm On Apr 01, 2016
Nairadays:


Firefire, am not an economist.

Please see my edit.

Should we say the market has been deregulated. I don't know.

Am just coming from the banks around my working place, asking them can i send money outside Nigeria via Western Union, since WU will mostly charge NGN225 to $1, at least it will help. But 2 of the banks says they've put sending out money via western union on hold. angry Mtcheww. Only 1 bank says it allows Moneygram only if i have an account with them.

Ok

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Nairadays: 1:45pm On Apr 01, 2016
scachy:
They are not supposed to charge at parallel mkt rate. But Nigeria banks are shadow criminals. They also chare higher than the official rate when u send via western union or moneygram.

Are you kidding? So they still charge higher via these mediums? shocked

Chai Nigerian Banks na wa ooo... angry
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by obailala(m): 1:45pm On Apr 01, 2016
VANENON:
Please pardon my lack of understanding but I had assumed the banks should charge at the officially CBN rate.
I would want someone to enlighten me on why bank are allowed to make abnormal profit at the expense of the masses.
Why are the banks not charging at CBN rates?
I used my naira master card last month for an online transaction and got charged virtually same price as black market and couldn't understand the rationale for this.
Please someone who truly understands how this works and the basis for this policy, if its legal should help throw some light on this.
CBN releases only an insignificant volume of fx to the banks so the banks get most of their fx from the black market too.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by yomalex(m): 1:45pm On Apr 01, 2016
No
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by ZUBY77(m): 1:51pm On Apr 01, 2016
VANENON:
Please pardon my lack of understanding but I had assumed the banks should charge at the officially CBN rate.
I would want someone to enlighten me on why bank are allowed to make abnormal profit at the expense of the masses.
Why are the banks not charging at CBN rates?
I used my naira master card last month for an online transaction and got charged virtually same price as black market and couldn't understand the rationale for this.
Please someone who truly understands how this works and the basis for this policy, if its legal should help throw some light on this.

Let me make this a little clear for you.
Buhari and CBN conspired to sell Dollars only to their families and friends.
What it means is that banks are now sourcing for Dollars from the black market too.
So unless you know Buhari or his friends, you won't get Dollar at the official CBN rate which is only official to Buhari an his friends.

As a result, banks sell at whatever price they like. There is no official anything in Nigeria at the moment.
You are collapsing, the evidence is everywhere.
And each time a foreign group says anything about it, some animals shout imperialism.

But who suffers, the imperialists or you?

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by CaptainRahl(m): 1:55pm On Apr 01, 2016
Jediel1:
Them suppose na. Especially for students schooling outside naija
if u r an int'l student, u can pay ur sch fees using form A at cbn rates. however, t & c applies!
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by benzema8(m): 1:55pm On Apr 01, 2016
According to ameachi,we steal more because they dnt stone us,the problem of dis country is us and not the leaders.they know we can't stone them.this country has collapsed.no hope anymore.I still support we divide.best solution
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by duality(m): 1:56pm On Apr 01, 2016
I've been asking this question as i've put on hold payment of some of my deals online. The transactions are not cash transactions na? at least they should charge us CBN rate. some of my deals hardly made economic sense when I compare the two rates. Please can someone somewhere
do something about it, or suggest a way out.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by 9jatatafo(m): 1:58pm On Apr 01, 2016
scachy:
They are not supposed to charge at parallel mkt rate. But Nigeria banks are shadow criminals. They also chare higher than the official rate when u send via western union or moneygram.

Can someone send out money through moneygram and westernunion from Nigeria?
Nigerian banks are thieves, if someone wants to collect western union in Nigeria, they pay in the official rate then why charge black market rate when transferring out?

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by scachy(m): 1:59pm On Apr 01, 2016
Nairadays:


Are you kidding? So they still charge higher via these mediums? shocked

Chai Nigerian Banks na wa ooo... angry

Honestly, the last I received 2 days ago was charge at 258 (aside #14,700 transfer charge) .
It's so pathetic.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Jediel1(m): 2:03pm On Apr 01, 2016
CaptainRahl:
if u r an int'l student, u can pay ur sch fees using form A at cbn rates. however, t & c applies!
okkkk tanks
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by scachy(m): 2:06pm On Apr 01, 2016
9jatatafo:


Can someone send out money through moneygram and westernunion from Nigeria?
Nigerian banks are thieves, if someone wants to collect western union in Nigeria, they pay in the official rate then why charge black market rate when transferring out?

U can send out money through moneygram and western union. But it's never at official rate. #204,700 for $738.(as at today)
Though some banks don't do it.the few that does ll stress ur life tire.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by mako007(m): 2:07pm On Apr 01, 2016
If banks must sell dollars at parallel rate , thet must also pay one at parallel rate when one receives usd .

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by WisePer: 2:09pm On Apr 01, 2016
This topic is what i have been pondering on since last week.
I have been on an official assignment to South Africa, I observed that First Bank charges me higher that GTBank when i purchase via POS.
I paid my hotel bill using both ATMs at the same time on the same POS machine

GTBank charged me 19.47Naira per Rand while
First Bank charged me 20.43Naira per Rand.

Please the bankers here, why is it so, almost 1naira difference.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by bookface: 2:09pm On Apr 01, 2016
Firefire:


And the 'Greenback' allows that margin ?


N197/$ => N360/$, 83%

That Greenback must be fraudulent.


Your rant doesn't make sense.

If a bank needs 100 dollars to meet its obligation to its clients and it can only obtain 2 dollars from the central bank at 197. The remaining 98 dollars must be sourced from alternative sources. Assume the Bank was able to source this at a rate of 300, this brings the weighted average cost of forex to the bank at 297.

The bank then charges a premium of 63 Naria on its bid ask spread. This brings the profit margin to just 21%

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by persius555(m): 2:10pm On Apr 01, 2016
9jatatafo:


Can someone send out money through moneygram and westernunion from Nigeria?
Nigerian banks are thieves, if someone wants to collect western union in Nigeria, they pay in the official rate then why charge black market rate when transferring out?
You just spoke my thought. The banks charge official rate when you recieve money from abroad and charge you double when you make payments. Some ignorants say the banks source money from abroad and parallel markets, i laugh fulani... Some days ago, there was a headline that nigerians repatriated $21 billions in 2015. This is the same forex that the banks sell to the locals at almost twice official rate. They do not source their forex abroad or black market. The twosources are CBN and foreign repatriations. Take a look at the volume dollars that all western unions transact on a daily basis and you will realise how much profit the banks are making effortlessly.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by phil0(m): 2:10pm On Apr 01, 2016
Firefire:


And the 'Greenback' allows that margin ?


N197/$ => N360/$, 83%

That Greenback must be fraudulent.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by ayo4dworld(m): 2:11pm On Apr 01, 2016
I wonder o. They should be where to report this set of criminals. I remember paying an application last week. I was charged 300 by my bank. Its so painful.

They are best at extorting and exploiting us. God will catch una one day
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Lajet: 2:13pm On Apr 01, 2016
Nairadays:


Firefire, am not an economist.

Please see my edit.

Should we say the market has been deregulated. I don't know.

Am just coming from the banks around my working place, asking them can i send money outside Nigeria via Western Union, since WU will mostly charge NGN225 to $1, at least it will help. But 2 of the banks says they've put sending out money via western union on hold. angry Mtcheww. Only 1 bank says it allows Moneygram only if i have an account with them.

Which bank told you if you have account with them you can send out Money Gram at the rate 225 Naira to $1 because i have went to every bank none of them is sending out Money Gram or Western Union .and why is that when somebody send money to Nigeria through Western Union or Money Gram the bank will pay the person at the rate of 197 naira to $1 but the will charge me at the rate of 330 Naira to $1 if i use my Naira Master Card to buy something online or withdraw money outside the country
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by samuelezekiel(m): 2:31pm On Apr 01, 2016
Point of correct....Banks do not charge, it depends on who you are buying from or transacting with they determine the exchange rate not the bank. Charges on Aliexpress is different from dhgates.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by Nobody: 2:34pm On Apr 01, 2016
I experienced dz anomaly 2 days ago in an attempt to test run my fidelity visa card in RSA I bought airtime worth R50. via POS only for fidelity to debit me N1007.23 . the official xchange rate was 12.4 naira to a rand. The annoying thing was after i complained that they should explain d reason for overcharging me,Their response was that they were sorry it was their own xchange rate for the day.These banks are killing Nigerians gradually. The other day FBN stole N100.00 from my account in the name of account maintenance fee...GTB will debit my account and called it other transactions.T q now is who will safe the masses from these fraudulent and wicked ,heartless capitalists Nigeria banks?

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by 41lady(m): 2:39pm On Apr 01, 2016
Nairadays:
The banks are now permitted to source for the greenback themselves, not like before where they were offered via the DAS (Dutch Auction System) of the CBN.

When they source from the CBN, they're bound by the law to charge at that rate or slightly higher than the rate at which CBN sold it to them, but now CBN stopped the auction system partly due to the fact that our foreign reserves have been depleting since the fall in crude prices, and so therefore banks are mandated to source for it themselves. They're not bound by the CBN official rates trading anymore but blackmarket rates.

It's so painful, heard from my colleagues that one certain bank was even charging NGN398 to $1.

May God deliver us from the mercy of these banks.

Let be specific, Firstbank and GTbank Charge at NGN397 to NGN400 per USD1. I use my naira card and that's the rate they charged me.They have turn to financial criminals now, using the economy lopholes to exploit people.
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by 9jatatafo(m): 2:41pm On Apr 01, 2016
scachy:


U can send out money through moneygram and western union. But it's never at official rate. #204,700 for $738.(as at today)
Though some banks don't do it.the few that does ll stress ur life tire.

That is outrageous brodaly

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by scachy(m): 2:44pm On Apr 01, 2016
9jatatafo:


That is outrageous brodaly

Yeah Bro!
Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by gabicon: 2:46pm On Apr 01, 2016
The problem is that banks are not making as much money as they did a year ago due to the downturn of the economy. So how do they pay their bills n salaries? they get dollars from CBN at Offical rates and sell at the Offical rate according to the books, but instead they sell at parallel market price the differential is what they use to supplement bills likes salaries and utilities. Are CBN aware of this development? Yes I believe so, but they choose to be silent because the books says Offical price and secondly they may have to choose between the present arrangement and the banks underperforming which will lead to flood of sack letters. You can get d dollar at Offical rate if you are bringing in stuffs that will enhance export like farm implement etc.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by 9jatatafo(m): 2:47pm On Apr 01, 2016
persius555:
You just spoke my thought. The banks charge official rate when you recieve money from abroad and charge you double when you make payments. Some ignorants say the banks source money from abroad and parallel markets, i laugh fulani... Some days ago, there was a headline that nigerians repatriated $21 billions in 2015. This is the same forex that the banks sell to the locals at almost twice official rate. They do not source their forex abroad or black market. The twosources are CBN and foreign repatriations. Take a look at the volume dollars that all western unions transact on a daily basis and you will realise how much profit the banks are making effortlessly.

Bankers or banks management should come out to throw more light in this grey area where western union pay the receiver in Nigeria at 197 and charge sending from Nigeria over 300 naira to a dollar. I just see too much corruption in this. Though I don't trust banks especially commercial banks because their money creation tools and motives are fraudulent in nature.

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Re: Are Banks Legally Supposed To Charge Parallel Rate For Online Transactions? by 9jatatafo(m): 2:56pm On Apr 01, 2016
gabicon:
The problem is that banks are not making as much money as they did a year ago due to the downturn of the economy. So how do they pay their bills n salaries? they get dollars from CBN at Offical rates and sell at the Offical rate according to the books, but instead they sell at parallel market price the differential is what they use to supplement bills likes salaries and utilities. Are CBN aware of this development? Yes I believe so, but they choose to be silent because the books says Offical price and secondly they may have to choose between the present arrangement and the banks underperforming which will lead to flood of sack letters. You can get d dollar at Offical rate if you are bringing in stuffs that will enhance export like farm implement etc.

Commercial banks has different ways of money creation. From interest to treasury bills as well as forex et al. So how come they are so much keen in short changing people through forex? I want the shadows in this operation be removed.

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