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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by joeybillz(m): 11:42am On Mar 30, 2016
Ttalk:


I must admit your resilience in continue to forge ahead after some loses and i must tell you that winners dont quit, but you need to know where and what makes you to fail so as not to repeat the same mistakes.

There could be many things wrong with your production sessions since you did not give detail of your farm system and management i would suggest you reconsider the following areas of management in fish farming

Pond Construction: What is the capacity of your concrete pond. How do you construct the water inlet and outlet?. This singular system could determine the level of stress your fish experience each time you change water. For example i have discovered that the lesser time it takes to change water determine the level of stress your fish encountered. For me, my pond model enable me to change water in 12X8X4 capacity within 30minutes thereby taking less of my time and as well reducing the stress of my fish.

Water: What is the source of your water? The quality of water in your pond will determine the health of your fish. You can read a lot on pond water management

Seed: What is the source of your seed, fingerling, juvenile?. It is important to get your fingerling from reputable hatchery so as to ensure good start from the onset. The first two month in production cycle will determine whether your fish will grow well or not. During these period, your water management and feeding must be in top gear. You will experience changes in their growth and eating habit. Also, you may need to treat your fish for common sickness at that tender age but must not over treat them as this may affect their growth. Just ensure your water management is perfect.

Feed: How quality and quantity of feed your fish consume?. The quality of your feed cannot be over emphasised. What they eat will to a large extent determine their growth. It is ideal to feed your fish at the first 2-3month with quality foreign feed like coppens, multifeed, Zeigler etc. But you can as well supplement especially at the first month with grounded tilapia or clupeid, this is to ensure maximum intake of required amino acid to kick start their growth and once they are on that part you are already on your way to success. Be reminded that this required additional cost which some farmers sees as not necessary but it worth spending. Another secret which work for me is starting with 0.8mm coppens for fingerling or juvenile. For fingerling i ensure they eat enough 0.8 before changing to 1.5mm. These two starter feed contain high percentage of protein which aid their growth and by the time they started eating 2mm they would have outgrown the initial stage of sickeness associate with fingerling and juvenile.

The next stage of feeding is where to play your fish farm economy, you make a choice whether to continue buying imported, local extruded or locally pelletise feed. In order to increase profit many settle for locally rich pelletise feed with high protein and reduce the protein content as your fish grow. You can save up to 100,000 to 150,000 in feed cost for 1000kg of feed used if you know what you are doing at the same time gain additional weight compare to when you use imported feed.

Sorting: This is very important especially when you are using concrete pond. The best sorting is when you sort to four categories for optimum growth but you can still sort to two pond if you have limited ponds.

On a general note, pay attention and give your fish quality treatment and you will reap quality harvest. Endervour to visit successful farm in your area and ask question on how they go about their business. Also read research about related topic to boost your knowledge about the business and the sky will be your starting point.

I believe experts in the house will give more info about what you need to do to enhance your performance
do u tink feeding ur fingerings wit vital feed instead of forgien feeds Wld have an effect on their growth,cos forgein feeds were out of reach nd decided 2 settle 4 vita feed.funny enuf their growth was so impressiive
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 2:03pm On Mar 30, 2016
joeybillz:
do u tink feeding ur fingerings wit vital feed instead of forgien feeds Wld have an effect on their growth,cos forgein feeds were out of reach nd decided 2 settle 4 vita feed.funny enuf their growth was so impressiive

Sir, i quite agree with your comment as a statement of fact that vital feed gives impressive growth for growout fish. But i havnt fed smaller size of vital to fingerlings and juvenile. For the business aspect of it i will rather formulate my feed with guarantee crude protein of 58% and minimum of 50% animal protein at N320 to boost the growth of my fish than to use vital feed of almost equal amount. Having said that i think environment determine your feed model and if you want to maximise profit it is better to go local as soon as you fish started picking 3mm

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by chilanfarms(m): 5:32pm On Mar 30, 2016
Ttalk:


My Oga, am learning from you guy oo, these are things you people taught me. Am only concerned about why people no longer attend as a matter of urgency to people's question on this forum the way it used to be in the past.
#smiles! Its good you are their to save d day.... Pls email me ur contact sir mine is 07065874135!
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by chilanfarms(m): 6:05pm On Mar 30, 2016
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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by joeybillz(m): 6:53pm On Mar 30, 2016
Ttalk:


Sir, i quite agree with your comment as a statement of fact that vital feed gives impressive growth for growout fish. But i havnt fed smaller size of vital to fingerlings and juvenile. For the business aspect of it i will rather formulate my feed with guarantee crude protein of 58% and minimum of 50% animal protein at N320 to boost the growth of my fish than to use vital feed of almost equal amount. Having said that i think environment determine your feed model and if you want to maximise profit it is better to go local as soon as you fish started picking 3mm
Wats d crude protein of vital feed(2mm)
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by chilanfarms(m): 8:59pm On Mar 30, 2016
joeybillz:
Wats d crude protein of vital feed(2mm)
*Abeg use better feed raise ur fish make dem no go runt. U can start local @ 2months.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by MAAF: 12:56am On Mar 31, 2016
Please I have a question, I have a 14ft by 14ft fish pond and currently doing melange farming and need to do mass production of fish for quick sale and turn over , what is the maximum quantity of fingerlings I should stock in the pond. I sell every 3-4 months.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by chilanfarms(m): 2:12am On Mar 31, 2016
MAAF:
Please I have a question, I have a 14ft by 14ft fish pond and currently doing melange farming and need to do mass production of fish for quick sale and turn over , what is the maximum quantity of fingerlings I should stock in the pond. I sell every 3-4 months.
#wats d dept of the pond? If it's 5ft, u cal capacity as thus; (14*14*5)/3=X*5 for flow thru n X*3 for stagnant system.

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by RPDA: 9:23am On Mar 31, 2016
Hello house, will 500k be good for a 5000fingerling/post fingerling farming to maturity.


Here is my list


Feeding - 300k
Drug/maintenence - 40k
Fingerlings - 75k
Miscellaneous - 30k
Pond - Available


Please review this for me and help make changes where necessary

Thanks
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ifedayour007(m): 9:31am On Mar 31, 2016
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I have decided to contact you after reading some of your post. I did catfish years ago and it was a big regret for me, I was even scammed by a friend that called himself catfish farmer. Now I am setting up another farm for catfish cause it's something I have passion for. Please I really need your advice. Is it possible to get training from you online, via email? Please reply me I don't want make another mistake. Ifedayookunola@yahoo.com
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by vickifeanyi47(m): 10:06am On Mar 31, 2016
Pls..HW many times can I feed post fingerlings Daily.. advice pleased
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:22am On Mar 31, 2016
RPDA:
Hello house, will 500k be good for a 5000fingerling/post fingerling farming to maturity.


Here is my list


Feeding - 300k
Drug/maintenence - 40k
Fingerlings - 75k
Miscellaneous - 30k
Pond - Available


Please review this for me and help make changes where necessary

Thanks

Sir, if you have ordered for your fingerlings i will advice you receive the delivery, feed for 2-3weeks, sort the 2200 that are bigger and invest your balance to feed them to maturity. You should estimate between 220-250 for feeding to average of 1kg if you are using concrete pond. I will advice you construct additional pond for sorting
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:25am On Mar 31, 2016
vickifeanyi47:
Pls..HW many times can I feed post fingerlings Daily.. advice pleased

You can feed up to 4-5times in concrete pond provided your water management is alright
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:28am On Mar 31, 2016
joeybillz:
Wats d crude protein of vital feed(2mm)

Oga Chilanfarm has answered you. I dont use vital feed to feed fingerling/juveniles i prefer Coppens and Multifeed
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Vantayo: 11:46am On Mar 31, 2016
pls i nid info on agbara/igbesa fish farmers and marketers. pls oooo
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by genaro2000(m): 5:23pm On Mar 31, 2016
please where can i get ph meter for testing water. i stay at iyana ipaja lagos
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by MAAF: 6:09pm On Mar 31, 2016
chilanfarms:
#wats d dept of the pond? If it's 5ft, u cal capacity as thus; (14*14*5)/3=X*5 for flow thru n X*3 for stagnant system.

The depth of the pond is 5 feet, pls calculate using ur formular, ur symbols are unclear.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 7:39pm On Mar 31, 2016
RPDA:
Hello house, will 500k be good for a 5000fingerling/post fingerling farming to maturity.


Here is my list


Feeding - 300k
Drug/maintenence - 40k
Fingerlings - 75k
Miscellaneous - 30k
Pond - Available


Please review this for me and help make changes where necessary

Thanks
5000 fingerlings to maturity for 300k, hmmmm,review d number of your stock,Work with nothing more than 1,500, saves you from pressure. Though u cant buy 40k drugs,except you are thinking of fuel for gen with d tormenting prices it is sold around town. If you are a starter think of lesser stock & build on it as your insight grow. if only a pond available, it isn't good enough, extra pond should always be available for many reasons.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 7:56pm On Mar 31, 2016
MAAF:
Please I have a question, I have a 14ft by 14ft fish pond and currently doing melange farming and need to do mass production of fish for quick sale and turn over , what is the maximum quantity of fingerlings I should stock in the pond. I sell every 3-4 months.
For the fingerlings you can stock , let me give you a valid calculation system you can use: length x width x depth x 7.5= u get the gallons of water in your tank/pond, multiply it by 3.79 to get it converted to US GALLONS, then divide by 10 or 12 & u get d you need to raise table size in your pond. Double it if melange, if your water quality or mgt is great,stock 10-15% more ,pls do d calculation, thanks

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Nobody: 8:12pm On Mar 31, 2016
Greetings to the house.
I hail all of una.

I plan to start work small small in the permanent site of my farm, this April.

Like I said b4, the land is swampy. It is bordered by a stream that never dries out even in dry season. Water also comes out from beneath the land. Its ten plots of 60*100. Though, not all will be used for fishery.

Estates have bought up lands b4 my plot, in fact, the owner of the plot adjacent mine have dug foundation for his fence and entered my land a little( it crossed d beacon a little).

Site preparation.
The first step should be fencing the land. . However, this will be very expensive bearing in mind that water comes out from the ground.
I've talked with someone and he advised I fill d land with laterite ( red sand) and use a heavy equipment to ramp up the soil so that it binds well. That I should also use the sand to move the water back and redirect it. After this, the cost of the fence will reduce . I like this suggestion cos it will make the farm dry and reduce grass re- growth.

Now my question is, bearing in mind that the ponds will be earthen pond, do u think it will turn the land to swamp again? Is there possibility of having and earthen pond with the surrounding environment dry land?

Please help a sister. I need suggestions
@ earthen pond farmers, ab1x, excelsiorfarm, robonski, abuja juve farm, Tokugawa and everybody.


So many things on my mind
I am also thinking of using the movable equipment to dig the pond (same day), but also considering leaving digging the pond til the land is fenced to avoid eyes of neighbours.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by MAAF: 10:21pm On Mar 31, 2016
excelsiorfarm:
For the fingerlings you can stock , let me give you a valid calculation system you can use: length x width x depth x 7.5= u get the gallons of water in your tank/pond, multiply it by 3.79 to get it converted to US GALLONS, then divide by 10 or 12 & u get d you need to raise table size in your pond. Double it if melange, if your water quality or mgt is great,stock 10-15% more ,pls do d calculation, thanks

Thanks, from my calculation with ur formula , after 10% extra I got close to 6000 fingerlings per pond. Does that sound about right to stock in a 14/14/5 ft pond for melange farming.
Currently I stock 5000 per pond, so there's still room for more fingerlings to stock my next batch?
But with this 5000 fingerlings per pond, I get average weight of 600grams after 3.5 months from fingerling stage.
Is that good production?
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by amadex(m): 11:00pm On Mar 31, 2016
Gud pm house! Pls is dia any seminar on catfish hatching around Ibadan?
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by dondo83(m): 7:17am On Apr 01, 2016
MAAF:


Thanks, from my calculation with ur formula , after 10% extra I got close to 6000 fingerlings per pond. Does that sound about right to stock in a 14/14/5 ft pond for melange farming.
Currently I stock 5000 per pond, so there's still room for more fingerlings to stock my next batch?
But with this 5000 fingerlings per pond, I get average weight of 600grams after 3.5 months from fingerling stage.
Is that good production?

with my little knowledge i feel 3.5months is too much to and that will eat into your profit. 2.5 to 3months at maximum should be considered melange, remember some people attain table size at 4months
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by aleshsenior2000(m): 8:05am On Apr 01, 2016
amadex:
Gud pm house! Pls is dia any seminar on catfish hatching around Ibadan?
Pls search for chilanfarm on this thread. His stays at Ibadan.My Oga Aguntash.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Nobody: 8:11am On Apr 01, 2016
excelsiorfarm:
For the fingerlings you can stock , let me give you a valid calculation system you can use: length x width x depth x 7.5= u get the gallons of water in your tank/pond, multiply it by 3.79 to get it converted to US GALLONS, then divide by 10 or 12 & u get d you need to raise table size in your pond. Double it if melange, if your water quality or mgt is great,stock 10-15% more ,pls do d calculation, thanks

1. "length x width x depth x 7.5= you get the gallons of water in your tank pond"
My comment: Absolutely correct. L x W X D = cu ft (volume). But this step is where you convert to US gallon.

2. "multiply it by 3.79 to get it converted to US GALLONS"
My comment: You combined two steps in step one above. First, you got cu ft (volume) and you converted to US with 7.5 as the multiplyer. In this step, the multiplier 3.79 converts US gallons to liters. So, you get liters as your unit here.

3. "then divide by 10 or 12 & u get d you need to raise table
My comment: I am a bit confused here. What's the purpose of the divisor 10 or 12? I can only guess. The divisor might mean for every 10 or 12 liters you stock 1 fish.

For Example:
22 ft X 11 ft X 4 ft = 968 cu ft
968 X 7.5 = 7,260 US gallons
7,260 X 3.79 = 27,515.4 liters
27,515.4 รท 10 = 2,751.54; approx. 2,752 Fish

Hmmmmmm! Lets check your approach. Let's calculate the density in cubic meter
968 cu ft = 27.4 cu m
Meaning you have 2,752 Fish in 27.4 cu m
So, we get 100.42 fish/cu m

Note: I haven't added your 10 to 15% addition. If I do, it's going to be 110 fish/cu m for 10% and 115 fish/cu m for 15%. This is for table size. So, you multiple by 2 for melange.


Question:
Do you really think you can have 100 - 115 fish/cubic meter for your pond to raise table size? This is rather high BUT possible. If you actually change water every 3 days like most farmers, you gat my respect. May be you want to tell us more about the right water management for your density. Is it Stagnant? Flowthrough, if yes, what frequency? Sure, I know it's not recirculatory cos the person who asked the question didn't mention using it.

I look forward to your answer and explicit explanation sir. Thanks!

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by genaro2000(m): 9:57am On Apr 01, 2016
hello house, please where can i get PH meter, i reside in lagos.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by MAAF: 10:42am On Apr 01, 2016
dondo83:


with my little knowledge i feel 3.5months is too much to and that will eat into your profit. 2.5 to 3months at maximum should be considered melange, remember some people attain table size at 4months

Thanks.
As in melange farming u sell per weight usually the buyers buy at 40kg measurements, at 3 months from fingerling stage, how sure are we that they will attain enough weight. Because it now means we ll weigh out more fish to attain their selling quantity. But if it is 3 months from juvenile stage then that's ok.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by bily(m): 3:47pm On Apr 01, 2016
genaro2000:
hello house, please where can i get PH meter, i reside in lagos.

You can order the aliexpress, cheaper than what you get in lagos if you don't mind the waiting period, you can save between 5-10k which I feel is worth the wait.

In Lagos you can get from poultry support at abattoir or kingdom aquarium

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 4:16pm On Apr 01, 2016
@Godisgood08, provided you do real fishfarming, with 10-12Litres that's enough room for stocking a fish, nothing high, i need not go through your calculation, neither did i mention any pond type, what i wrote is conclusive except u are beating that figure,so nothing high, talking practical e.g 1000 litres will do 83-100 fishes, if you are good & you have d water,d extra %,thanks

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 4:40pm On Apr 01, 2016
MAAF:


Thanks, from my calculation with ur formula , after 10% extra I got close to 6000 fingerlings per pond. Does that sound about right to stock in a 14/14/5 ft pond for melange farming.
Currently I stock 5000 per pond, so there's still room for more fingerlings to stock my next batch?
But with this 5000 fingerlings per pond, I get average weight of 600grams after 3.5 months from fingerling stage.
Is that good production?
first 3.5 months is much for melange,some good stock even get to table size in that time. Many things determine growth- space, feeding quality, water mgt, your fingerlings/juveniles quality and health of your fishes etc, without mincing words there's room, but first determine which of the mentioned paramaters i wrote is affecting their productivity i.e why d delay to get to 600g, maybe your water mgt

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