PastorAIO:


When a passage is a parable does that mean that it's contents are not to be taken as objective reality?

What I mean is, for example, most references to hell fire in the bible are found in parables and such where Jesus says that there will be 'gnashing and grinding of teeth'. Can we dismiss the fiery furnaces thus described as not being objectively real but simply part of a parable.

PastorAIO:


Regardless of when the act will be committed can we or can we not say that it is a violent act?

And Secondly, The cast of characters in the parable. Who are they that it will be okay for the acts committed to not be considered violent.

Empiree:
this contradicts another bible verse

rexben:
Jesus never preached violence,He prevented His disciples from fighting,. He also rebuked His disciples when they asked Him to call down fire from above. He taught us not to resist an evil person. We should love our enemies,bless those that curse us. What more prove do you need. Be born again today Mr Empiree,Jesus loves you,He wants you to be among His flock.

rexben:
Look,i don't follow the bible,i follow Jesus. I read and believes on in the words of Jesus not the bible.

John 8:31-32,i continue in His words as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.

rexben:
Parables are stories about the kingdom of heaven. The casts are not real,they represents people or things that are real. The casts are not real.
10 When he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 He said to them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those outside, everything is in parables, 12 so that although they look they may look but not see, and although they hear they may hear but not understand, so they may not repent and be forgiven . "
Mark 4:10-12

Empiree:



You confused man?






So you dont believe in other Books in the the Bible like this one?

rexben:
Jesus said if you continue in my words,teachings then you are my disciple John8:31. As a disciple of Jesus,i am to follow only Jesus's words,teachings.
How am i confused,are trying to say that the whole books of the bible are Jesus teachings,words? No,Jesus teachings are recorded on in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John.

PastorAIO:


You don't want people to repent and be forgiven.

The relevant passage is Luke chapter 19.

Empiree:
You Are OYO man

rexben:
For this reason I speak to them in parables: Although they see they do not see, and although they hear they do not hear nor do they understand.
Matt 13:13.
Parables aren't meant for everybody to understand. They are meant for disciples of Jesus. No matter how hard you try,you can't understand.
Pastor AIO,in order for you to repent or be forgiven,you first need to be born again,born from above. Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:3.
To be born again simply means to be born the second time. And this second birth is a spiritual birth.
All you need to do is to believe in God and Jesus His son. You then continue in His words,teachings,so that you might become His disciple. John 8:31.
10 When he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 He said to them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those outside, everything is in parables,
Mark 4:10-11.
In order to understand parables,you must be a disciple of Jesus because it is the secret of the kingdom of heaven.
If you are not a disciple,you don't have any business knowing the secret of the kingdom of heaven because its of no use to you.

rexben:
Jesus said the Holy Spirit not a man called Paul. Did you know why everyone that is born again has the Holy Spirit? It is because it is written"they will be taught by God","no one will have to tell His neighbor to know the Lord,because the law will be written in their heart.

So you can see that Paul should not teach you,the Holy Spirit should teach you

rexben:
I love your comments,they are accurate. The truth still remains that the bible is not the word of God. You can attest to it that many people spoke even demons,devil,humans out of lusts and pleasures of life,prophets spoke etc. I am not a muslim,i a disciple of Jesus that believes on His word. John 8:31-32

rexben:
I love your comments,they are accurate. The truth still remains that the bible is not the word of God. You can attest to it that many people spoke even demons,devil,humans out of lusts and pleasures of life,prophets spoke etc. Why do we call it the word of God? Are you calling this people words the word of God. God is not the one speaking when e demon is speaking etc. I am not a muslim,i a disciple of Jesus that believes on His word. John 8:31-32

Scholar8200:

So do i assume you also reject Revelations?

Scholar8200:

In the Bible, you have, among others, portions of history, records and direct quotes of men etc all these were included by the Spirit's inspiration for a purpose.

Scholar8200:

Paul was not the only apostle. How about the others? Do you reject their writings? And did Jesus not say that there will be those that will believe on Him through their (apostle's) words? And did not these apostles attest and verify Paul's ministry to the gentiles as being from The Lord Himself?
Pls address these questions.


Here you contradict He Whom you claim to follow:

20 Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
matthew 28:20

rexben:
Yes sir

rexben:
Firstly,the reason why the gospels was recorded and documented was because of Matthew 28:20. Jesus said teach all that I HAVE COMMANDED,TAUGHT,SHEW YOU. So that was why the life of Jesus was recorded.
Peter was the only one that recommended Paul. Peter was actually intimidated by Paul. You know Paul was an instinctive writer and preacher,he was also educated. Pls do check want Paul meant when He said the scriptures are inspired by God

777philosopher:
i can see that you are a Caucasian devil. your ignorant race are parasite to the earth. you spread lies and love twisting scriptures for your evil greed. you, Big F O O L. your stupid race lied to the world saying that the people in the bible are caucasians. but all are Lies. the Real hebrew israelites are Bantu/Black people. Read Job 30:30, Job described himself to be a BLACK MAN. read Song of Solomon 1:5-6, solomon described himself to be a BLACK MAN.

johnw74:


@bold, Ha ha, I have just read those verses of Song of Solomon,
as the name of the book would suggest, it is a song, a poem
Solomon wrote about a black woman and her love for a King.

verse 2, let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth,
do you think Solomon was gay?

verse 4 the King has bought me into his chamber

verse 13 he shall lie all night between my breasts.

You so dumb.

Scholar8200:

By what criteria do you accept Gospel according to Luke but reject Acts of the Apostles written by the same author? Or by which do you accept Gospel according to John and reject 1,2,3 John and Revelations by the same author? Or by what do you accept Mark and jettison 1 & 2 Peter?Your claims suggest the apostles were inspired only when they wrote the Gospels and this you neither can prove nor could it ever be so!

And since Jesus said there are many things which the Spirit will teach but whish He would not say it means they were not to be found in any of the Gospels.
Besides, if we claim the Spirit came to make us islands of knowledge, by what do we test the spirits?
In John 15, Jesus specifically gave a criteria that NO ONE can ever fulfil but the 12 viz being with Him in His earthly ministry from the beginning! And He linked their witness with that which will be revealed by the Spirit!
15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
John 15:26,27




So was Peter the only one at the Council in Acts 15?
And where did you get that from? Afterall you dont accept the Epistles!
Peter described inspiration thus,''...holy men of God spake as they were moved of the Holy Ghost''
Sometimes what was said was historical, or for the present or the future.

Empiree:
The dude is confused But do I blame him? No. You know why?. I have proved it before using Quran, why christian doctrines will always differ. Quran said so in Sura 5:14




"And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do".



^
Covenant talking about in this verse is the belief in Muhammad(Quran) and Jesus(Injeel). Because you rejected Quran, Allah says that you (Christians) will never concord on the same theology till Last Day. Isn't Quran correct?. I am going to add the brother, rexben in my list of another lone "christian" who believes in parts of the Book(Bible) but reject other parts. Matter of fact Quran speaks of that as well in Sura Baqarah (2:85)




"...............Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the re ward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do."




Thats a clear warning and admonishment for you rexben. You will NEVER see any Muslims to reject part of Quran. Rejection of any verse of Quran take you outside te fold of Islam. Islam makes sense right?

Scholar8200:

But muslims claim that the Book mentioned there is not the Bible! Why the reverse in opinion here?

And why is it that the Quran has no certain position on the people of the Book? In one part it claims they hold on to a 'damnable'(by islamic standards) teaching, in another place it claims they are candidates for heaven yet else where it says muslims are to seek clarifications from them, then some NL muslims claim the Book referred to is elusive! Which do you choose?!

Besides, the existence of sects predates the Quran, has always been there in the Inter-testament periods down to the AD early centuries (centuries before Muhammed came on the scene) but the Church universal is preserved hence those quotes appear to be a rather historical, not prophetical statement.

babafemi1000:
rexben you mentioned earlier that "Jesus was a ransom for our souls" and not "a sacrifice" as is commonly taught today. Kindly explain please. I want to know the truth.

Thanks.

Empiree:
The dude is confused But do I blame him? No. You know why?. I have proved it before using Quran, why christian doctrines will always differ. Quran said so in Sura 5:14




"And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do".



^
Covenant talking about in this verse is the belief in Muhammad(Quran) and Jesus(Injeel). Because you rejected Quran, Allah says that you (Christians) will never concord on the same theology till Last Day. Isn't Quran correct?. I am going to add the brother, rexben in my list of another lone "christian" who believes in parts of the Book(Bible) but reject other parts. Matter of fact Quran speaks of that as well in Sura Baqarah (2:85)




"...............Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the re ward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do."




Thats a clear warning and admonishment for you rexben. You will NEVER see any Muslims to reject part of Quran. Rejection of any verse of Quran take you outside te fold of Islam. Islam makes sense right?

Scholar8200:

By what criteria do you accept Gospel according to Luke but reject Acts of the Apostles written by the same author? Or by which do you accept Gospel according to John and reject 1,2,3 John and Revelations by the same author? Or by what do you accept Mark and jettison 1 & 2 Peter?Your claims suggest the apostles were inspired only when they wrote the Gospels and this you neither can prove nor could it ever be so!

And since Jesus said there are many things which the Spirit will teach but whish He would not say it means they were not to be found in any of the Gospels.
Besides, if we claim the Spirit came to make us islands of knowledge, by what do we test the spirits?
In John 15, Jesus specifically gave a criteria that NO ONE can ever fulfil but the 12 viz being with Him in His earthly ministry from the beginning! And He linked their witness with that which will be revealed by the Spirit!
15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
John 15:26,27




So was Peter the only one at the Council in Acts 15?
And where did you get that from? Afterall you dont accept the Epistles!
Peter described inspiration thus,''...holy men of God spake as they were moved of the Holy Ghost''
Sometimes what was said was historical, or for the present or the future.

rexben:
Illustration
I once read that the publishing house(Zondervan publishers) that published NIV bible also published one occultic or devilish book(the satanic bible). Should we now say that because it published an occultic book(the satanic bible),NIV bible is occultic or satanic,knowing fully well that is just only a publishing house(Zondervan publishers) that can publish any damn book?
Luke wrote Luke and Acts, John wrote John and also 1,2,3 John and revelation. Mark wrote Mark(the testimony of Peter),Peter wrote 1,2 Peter.
As i will always say,the gospels are clear accounts of Jesus's life only. I believe in the book of Luke not because Luke wrote it but because it contains the words of Jesus(accounts of Jesus life) same goes to other gospels.
I don't believe in revelation because it contradicts Jesus's teachings in the gospels .
Test spirits. I don't know about that but i remember Jesus saying
4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice."
John 10:4-5
His sheep will hear only His voice and no other voices not even the voice of those that claim that they saw Him
He also said
26 When the Advocate comes, whom I will send you from the Father - the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father - he will testify about me, 27 and you also will testify, because you have been with me from the beginning.
John 15:26-27.
The Holy Spirit will testify of Jesus and take of Jesus and give it unto. How can this same Holy Spirit contradicts Jesus in epistles and revelations.
Talking about Paul,he is something elsewhere. Paul is a false apostle and also a stranger.
4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice."
John 10:4-5.
Paul never knew Jesus,and does not want to know Him. He laid more emphasis on Jesus's death and resurrection rather His life because he didn't know him. He had opportunity to learn from Peter and James but he did not.
The Holy men Peter was referring to was the Prophets(contextual reading),he was not referring to Paul and others.

rexben:
Illustration
I once read that the publishing house(Zondervan publishers) that published NIV bible also published one occultic or devilish book(the satanic bible). Should we now say that because it published an occultic book(the satanic bible),NIV bible is occultic or satanic,knowing fully well that is just only a publishing house(Zondervan publishers) that can publish any damn book?

Luke wrote Luke and Acts, John wrote John and also 1,2,3 John and revelation. Mark wrote Mark(the testimony of Peter),Peter wrote 1,2 Peter.
As i will always say,the gospels are clear accounts of Jesus's life only. I believe in the book of Luke not because Luke wrote it but because it contains the words of Jesus(accounts of Jesus life) same goes to other gospels.

I don't believe in revelation because it contradicts Jesus's teachings in the gospels .

Test spirits. I don't know about that but i remember Jesus saying
4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice."
John 10:4-5
His sheep will hear only His voice and no other voices not even the voice of those that claim that they saw Him
He also said
26 When the Advocate comes, whom I will send you from the Father - the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father - he will testify about me, 27 and you also will testify, because you have been with me from the beginning.
John 15:26-27.
The Holy Spirit will testify of Jesus and take of Jesus and give it unto. How can this same Holy Spirit contradicts Jesus in epistles and revelations.

Talking about Paul,he is something elsewhere. Paul is a false apostle and also a stranger.
4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice."
John 10:4-5.
Paul never knew Jesus,and does not want to know Him. He laid more emphasis on Jesus's death and resurrection rather His life because he didn't know him. He had opportunity to learn from Peter and James but he did not.

The Holy men Peter was referring to was the Prophets(contextual reading),he was not referring to Paul and others.

Empiree:
It is a waste of time to try to twist anything here. Extant Bible, whatever truth left in it that is in harmony with Quran is what Jesus(p) thought and muslims believe. The verses I quoted mentioned "Book" not Bible. You people chose to call it Bible.

Hey buddy, dont get it twisted at all. Quran is speaking of the earlier people who followed Jesus' teachings. It says that some amongst them hide true message of Jesus. Quran recognizes some people amongst the people of the book of the time who are upon tahweed which Jesus brought. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for Quran to commend them for holding up the truth. Hence, they are candidates of heaven. They weren't Christians of trinity as prevalent today etc. We can apply it today actually where Christians use OT where it soothes them. They do not preach lots of certain verses from OT to church goers today. That's concealment.

As for seeking clarification, we have explained this many times. The verse has nothing to do with asking you for guidance. It is speaking of historical event. It is not advising Muslims to seek the right religion, who Jesus was from Christians and Jews. Definitely not.

Can you tell us those sects at that time before Quran was revealed?. The sects thing was not obvious. It was rather confusion after Jesus had gone. Majority of his (jesus) people simply rejected him in his lifetime.