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kwakayekaa: 1. Jesus instructed his followers to preach the gospel--> Unlike other churches who oly broadcast on TV or have their member go in packs on the streets distributing church invites, jehovahs witnesses are the only group of christians who still patiently o from house to house teaching people

2. Celebration of pagan holidays- christs' date of birth is not recorded in the bible, and he never instructed that we help him celebrate it, amongst many other pagan holidays.. And jehovahs witnesses are he only people who dont celebrate these pagan holidays.

3. Non-request or tithe- jehovahs witnesses dont ask their members for tithe, instead they donate undisclosed amount out of freewill.

non-segregation of members- unlike most churches where the big men sit on comfy chairs while ordinary members sit on plastic chairs or where titles such as most. reverend, senior pastor, his holiness, and many others.. jehovahs witnesses either adress each other by name or add the prefix brother or sister.

Did JESUS dress like a wretched being.
Is JESUS not attractive when pple meet him, and they decide to follow him...
... Bro, dey are not the 2ru follower

My guy ur a waste of time, may God have mercy on u

rudedough: And you've just booked yourself a front row seat to heaven.

God's invisible golden room in heaven is quite expensive though, I wonder how much he'll be selling the bus ticket to heaven.

caukerzee: Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a literal tree that had leaves on it.  The Greek words for cross and tree are different.  Let's take a look.  The Greek word for cross is σταυρός "stauros":

"literally cross, an instrument of capital punishment, an upright pointed stake, often with a crossbeam above it, or intersected by a crossbeam (MT 27.32); (2) by metonymy, as the means of atonement punishment of the cross, crucifixion (PH 2.; as a religious technical term representing the significance of the atoning death of Jesus in the Christian religion cross (1C 1.18); metaphorically, the dedication of life and the self-denial that a believer must be prepared to take on himself in following Christ (LU 14.27)" 1

The word (σταυρός, stauros) "cross" occurs 27 times in the New Testament in 27 verses: Matthew 10:38; 16:24; 27:32; 27:40; 27:42; Mark 8:34; 15:21; 15:30; Mark 15:32; Luke 9:23; 14:27; 23:26; John 19:17; 19:19; 19:25; 19:31; 1 Cor. 1:17; 1:18; Gal. 5:11; 6:12; 6:14; Eph. 2:16; Phil. 2:8; 3:18; Col. 1:20; 2:14; Heb. 12:2.

Now, let's focus on one of them, Matt 27:40 which says, “You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross."

This is a definitive verse that deals with exactly what Jesus was crucified on, and the Greek word in the verse is "stauros."  Therefore, Jesus was crucified on a cross.

Tree

Tree, as in a growing plant with branches, is the greek word δένδρα "dendra" and it occurs 25 times in 18 verses in the New Testament: Matthew 3:10; 7:17; 7:18; 7:19; 12:33; 13:32; 21:8; Mark 8:24; Luke 3:9; 6:43; 6:44; 13:19; 21:29; Jude 12; Revelation 7:1; 7:3; 8:7; 9:4.

There is no use of the word "tree" (δένδρα "dendra" in reference to the cross.  If that is so, then why do some Bibles translate it into the word "tree" when referencing Jesus' crucifixion?  For that, let's look at a third word.

Wood

Sometimes the Greek word for wood is used of the cross.  The word ξύλον "wood" occurs a total of 20 times in the New Testament.  Those that refer to the cross of Christ are:

Acts 10:39, "We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross (ξύλον, wood)."
Acts 5:30, "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross(ξύλον, wood)."
Acts 13:29, "When they had carried out all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the cross (ξύλον, wood) and laid Him in a tomb."
Galatians 3:13, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (ξύλον, wood)."
1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross (ξύλον, wood), so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
So we see that the Bible uses the terms interchangeably.  But this doesn't mean that Jesus was crucified on a literal tree.  Remember, above in Matt 27:40 we see exactly which word is used to describe what Jesus was crucified on, a cross.

“You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross," (Matt. 27:40).

Conclusion

Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a tree.

Your conclusion is faulty.

1. can stauros be translated "stake"? your answer.

2. at Galatians, what scripture was Paul quoting? and in that scripture, what instrument was used? a tree/stake or cross?

caukerzee: I wonder if you guys purposely decide to ignore some parts of the bible.
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SINNERS
Rev 14:10-11
10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

We cannot understand that scripture to mean eternal torment. why? because understanding it that way will contradict Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10. the dead know nothing.

Now, how do we understand this verse?

Can you open to Isaiah 34:9, 10? That was a prophesy for Edom. Do you think Edom's fire is still burning today? how would you interprete this scripture? It holds a key to our unlocking the meaning of what is stated in that revelation.

caukerzee: [size=18pt]Ge·hen·na  (g-hn)[/size]
n.
1. A place or state of torment or suffering.
2. The abode of condemned souls; hell.
[Late Latin, from Greek Geenna, from Hebrew gê' hinnm, possibly short for gê' ben hinnm, valley of the son of Hinnom, a valley south of Jerusalem : gê', valley of, bound form of gay', valley; see gy in Semitic roots + hinnm, personal name; see hnn in Semitic roots.]

Those translations that use Ghenna are only trying to liken the suffering in the valley of Ghenna to That of hell. In other words, give the reader a basic picture of what hell is like. They do not mean different things. Can't remember what that is called in literature.

Do not be deceived. These doctrines are straight from the pit of hell. The devil wants you to disregard the wages of sin, he wants you to see them as "not so gross". He that has ears, let him hear.

when you say give us a picture of hell, what do you mean 'cos hell is just a common grave of dead mankind, both righteous and unrighteous go there.

Gehenna cant be used to depict everlating fire. why? the dead know nothing. Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10.

JMAN05: We cannot understand that scripture to mean eternal torment. why? because understanding it that way will contradict Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10. the dead know nothing.

Now, how do we understand this verse?

Can you open to Isaiah 34:9, 10? That was a prophesy for Edom. Do you think Edom's fire is still burning today? how would you interprete this scripture? It holds a key to our unlocking the meaning of what is stated in that revelation.

The book of Ecclesiastics as a whole has one message which is the vanity of life. Put that in mind. Ecclesiastes contains reflections of an old man, the “Preacher,” as he considered the question of meaning in life. He looked back and saw the futility (“vanity”) of chasing after even the good things this life can offer, including wisdom, work, pleasure, and wealth. Even if such things are satisfying for a time, death is certain to end this satisfaction. In fact, God’s judgment on Adam for his sin (Gen. 3:17- 19) echoes throughout the book (especially 12:7). Yet the person who lives in the fear of the Lord can enjoy God’s good gifts. Young people, especially, should remember their Creator while they still have their whole lives before them (12:1).

Having said that, King Solomon was inspired to write: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6.

How true those words are! Really, who recalls ancestors of two hundred or three hundred years ago? Often even their graves are unknown or long neglected. Does that mean that there is no hope for our dead loved ones? No, not at all. Martha said to Jesus regarding her dead brother, Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:24) Jesus would have opposed her if that wasn't true or real. The Hebrew people believed that God would resurrect the dead at a future time. Yet, that did not stop them from grieving over the loss of a loved one.—Job 14:13.

The message of the book of revelations is also very clear. Commendation, criticism, and comfort. Then comes a long series of visions of judgment on the wicked, all in highly symbolic language. The church is depicted under great distress but is assured of the final triumph of Jesus as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (19:16), bringing to an end the rebellion of humanity and ushering in “a new heaven and a new earth” (21:1), where God himself will reign forever and ever (11:15).

Why can't it be understood the way it is? Because it is the Bible and of contradicts your beliefs?? Oh please!! Isaiah 34:9-10 was a prophesy may has not been fulfilled till now. Many of Isaiah's prophesies have no happened yet. This section of Isaiah’s prophecy (34:1 – 35:10) is again apocalyptic in nature. The object of God’s wrath will be the “nations, the earth,” and “the world.” Here the prophet depicts the worldwide carnage of the Battle of Armageddon when God’s “indignation” and “fury” are poured out on “all nations” (goylm, Gentiles).

So great is this destruction that “mountains shall be melted” and the “host of heaven shall be dissolved” (i.e. melt or vanish). So severe is this devastation that the atmospheric “heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll.” This apocalyptic judgment will be so cataclysmic that it will affect the earth and its atmosphere, and it will usher in “new heavens and a new earth” (65:17). It talks about when the earth shall be totally destroyed, which had not happened yet.

STOP TWEAKING THE MEANING OF BIBLE PASSAGES TO SATISFY YOUR BELIEFS!!!!!

JMAN05: when you say give us a picture of hell, what do you mean 'cos hell is just a common grave of dead mankind, both righteous and unrighteous go there.

Gehenna cant be used to depict everlating fire. why? the dead know nothing. Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10.

Again, this passage makes it clear that the dead in christ goes somewhere different from the dead in the world.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [or precede or go before] them which are asleep. ” For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Wherefore comfort one another with these words." —1st Thessalonians. 4:13-18

I wonder why you ignored this part of the post? Because it once again proves your beliefs wrong?

JMAN05: Your conclusion is faulty.

1. can stauros be translated "stake"? your answer.

2. at Galatians, what scripture was Paul quoting? and in that scripture, what instrument was used? a tree/stake or cross?

My conclusion is faulty because it is not what you believe (what you believe maybe wrong)? True Christians are ready to learn and not tweak meanings to suit what they believe.

caukerzee: The book of Ecclesiastics as a whole has one message which is the vanity of life. Put that in mind. Ecclesiastes contains reflections of an old man, the “Preacher,” as he considered the question of meaning in life. He looked back and saw the futility (“vanity”) of chasing after even the good things this life can offer, including wisdom, work, pleasure, and wealth. Even if such things are satisfying for a time, death is certain to end this satisfaction. In fact, God’s judgment on Adam for his sin (Gen. 3:17- 19) echoes throughout the book (especially 12:7). Yet the person who lives in the fear of the Lord can enjoy God’s good gifts. Young people, especially, should remember their Creator while they still have their whole lives before them (12:1).

Having said that, King Solomon was inspired to write: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6.

How true those words are! Really, who recalls ancestors of two hundred or three hundred years ago? Often even their graves are unknown or long neglected. Does that mean that there is no hope for our dead loved ones? No, not at all. Martha said to Jesus regarding her dead brother, Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:24) Jesus would have opposed her if that wasn't true or real. The Hebrew people believed that God would resurrect the dead at a future time. Yet, that did not stop them from grieving over the loss of a loved one.—Job 14:13.

I agree with you, but none of your point contradict what I wnat to say, namely, the dead knows nothing when dead and when in hell. they are unconscious, untill they are resurrected.

The message of the book of revelations is also very clear. Commendation, criticism, and comfort. Then comes a long series of visions of judgment on the wicked, all in highly symbolic language. The church is depicted under great distress but is assured of the final triumph of Jesus as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (19:16), bringing to an end the rebellion of humanity and ushering in “a new heaven and a new earth” (21:1), where God himself will reign forever and ever (11:15).

Why can't it be understood the way it is? Because it is the Bible and of contradicts your beliefs?? Oh please!! Isaiah 34:9-10 was a prophesy may has not been fulfilled till now. Many of Isaiah's prophesies have no happened yet. This section of Isaiah’s prophecy (34:1 – 35:10) is again apocalyptic in nature. The object of God’s wrath will be the “nations, the earth,” and “the world.” Here the prophet depicts the worldwide carnage of the Battle of Armageddon when God’s “indignation” and “fury” are poured out on “all nations” (goylm, Gentiles).

So great is this destruction that “mountains shall be melted” and the “host of heaven shall be dissolved” (i.e. melt or vanish). So severe is this devastation that the atmospheric “heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll.” This apocalyptic judgment will be so cataclysmic that it will affect the earth and its atmosphere, and it will usher in “new heavens and a new earth” (65:17). It talks about when the earth shall be totally destroyed, which had not happened yet.

STOP TWEAKING THE MEANING OF BIBLE PASSAGES TO SATISFY YOUR BELIEFS!!!!!

Do you know I was happy on the understanding of the scripture you showed above, but when I read what you said about I lsaiah, I said, this guy has missed it.

Form verse 1-4 He was talking of the nations, but from verse 5, Jehovah was talking about the Edomite. This destruction of the Edomites where spoken by Ezekiel, even Obadiah. The prophesy is specifically for the Edomites and it fulfilled.

From chapter 35 is another prophesy of the new world.

Pls research some more.

If you are acquainted with how the scripture is interpreted, you will appreciate why I made that reference.

caukerzee: Again, this passage makes it clear that the dead in christ goes somewhere different from the dead in the world.

How can this assertion be substantiated from that bible portion?

I wonder why you ignored this part of the post? Because it once again proves your beliefs wrong?

How does that portion work against my point? it does not even help your point if you do think up.

I thought you believe the dead in Christ goes to heaven immediately after death? think up bro, it fights your belief.

caukerzee: My conclusion is faulty because it is not what you believe (what you believe maybe wrong)? True Christians are ready to learn and not tweak meanings to suit what they believe.

Allow time to tell who 'tweaks'. Face the question. Dont circumvent this time.

1. can stauros be translated "stake"? your
answer.

2. at Galatians, what scripture was Paul
quoting? and in that scripture, what
instrument was used? a tree/stake or
cross?

Felixadded: Colossians 1-4 chapters. Nothing like chapter 5.

Sorry I meant colossians2:16.

autchman144: olodo. Colossians hav only 4 chapters

Sorry I meant colossians2:16.

moshoodn:
Is this a joke or what?

There is no Colossians 5:16 !!

Sorry I meant colossians2:16.

I always find it funny when I hear certain religious groups claiming they are the one true Church-while the rest are just wasting time and effort...
As we can see-some one is confused, preaching the gospel that Jesus Himself is preferring too, isn't the same as preaching from the watchtowers magazines, two different gospels. And of course you believe Jesus is the Arc Angel Michael. Again two different gospels.
Really do you honestly believe-Jesus told you to preach His gospel, that not even you, believe?

You may not celebrate holidays-nor celebrate birthdays, as others do.
You have separated your children away from other children, lack of communications without choice-etc.
What your not understanding is, fellowship brings people together from all walks of life-learning times, mealtimes-social times, playtimes, work times, God times, prayer times, bad times, good times. We are made in God's image-we need God-God uses us, like People need people.
Christ gave us a commandment to love one another-seeing a child, a wife or even a husband giving or receiving, a gift, a hug, maybe a few words to say I love you.
You may even receive it from a friend, a unsaved neighbour, Or maybe" you still received mail from a long lost friend, you once knew..
Where their is Love, the present of God works all in all.

Its must be hard for you, to see your love ones missing out on these special events.
It must be hard for you to see your child looking through a window watching other children play.
It must be hard for you to lock your children away from family-friends they once knew.
It must be hard for you to hear your children crying every night before they sleep.
It must be hard for you to see your children frightened and lonely.
It must be hard for you to see your child being bullied at school.
It must be hard for you to see your child not celebrating birthdays-nor receiving gifts from you.
It must be hard for you to turn your back' when your child, wife, husband needs you most.
It must be hard for you-to read Colossians 2:16 "Let no-man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or inspect of a Holyday or of a new moon or of a Sabbath day.
It must be hard for you to accept When Jesus Himself was born, shepherds arrived, later at the house wise men gave free gifts to Jesus and His family
WHILE YOUR OWN CHILD RECEIVES NONE.
Is this the gospel you want people to discover, separating yourselves from your own nesting's, away from your children, families and friends, you once knew?

1. Jesus instructed his followers to preach the gospel--> Unlike other churches who oly broadcast on TV or have their member go in packs on the streets distributing church invites, jehovahs witnesses are the only group of christians who still patiently o from house to house teaching people

2. Celebration of pagan holidays- christs' date of birth is not recorded in the bible, and he never instructed that we help him celebrate it, amongst many other pagan holidays.. And jehovahs witnesses are he only people who dont celebrate these pagan holidays.

3. Non-request or tithe- jehovahs witnesses dont ask their members for tithe, instead they donate undisclosed amount out of freewill.

non-segregation of members- unlike most churches where the big men sit on comfy chairs while ordinary members sit on plastic chairs or where titles such as most. reverend, senior pastor, his holiness, and many others.. jehovahs witnesses either adress each other by name or add the prefix brother or sister.

there is only one truth.
jw beliefs and practices are close to that of early apostles.
though, there are some issues with their practices and beliefs which I think are not serious ones because jw are not dogmatic. with more evidences from bible they adjust their thinkings.

The true church is not physical or an organisation. It is borne and composed of spirit and truth from God.

I studied and associated with Jehovah's witnesses for more than a year and made alot of friends. I was so devoted to the religion and exalted it above my career, interests and family. Then, Whenever i stumbled on posts/articules against Jw's, i tagged it satanic. Infact it made me more convinced i was in the right path. During this stern period my relationship with my family was so poor. Infact i wanted to leave my father's house because everyone opposed the faith. I also had this heavy burden in my heart always not to fall off jw standards. A pang of guilt feeling followed me all the time for very littly things like buying a gift on my mum's birthday, admiring a non-jw lady. However as God did it i came to realise everything spoken against the Watchtower Society has truth in it but this didn't just happen suddenly. It took prayer, time and effort on my own part for things to get clearer for me. The scales plastered on my eyes by the watchtower society through their un-ending indoctrination had to fall off first and this happened when i saw the hyprocisy and conditional interest they portay to people around them. They are imperfect but better than anyone else. You see It's a really long story on my case. However as i questioned the religion more and more i became more inclined to make numerous researches over every single bit of information/doctrine/history about the religion. However this time i did it all with an open heart and humbled attitude. As i made more and more findings and truth about the whole Jw organization matters, i soon became offically awakened. I made a big mistake by openly declearing my new convictions to the Jws i know and guess what? They all blocked me on social media! I became a dreaded apostate because i exposed The Watchtower society lies. You see Nothing spreads faster than bad news among Jws. Till today of over 100 friends i made ranging frow elders to baptized publishers both far and near during my stay with them 0% communicate with me. During my stay with them I fell in love with a sister and we had dreams with ended when i told her i can't continue with the religion. She was actually the first to learn about it and began shunning me to this day. It reallx was hard lose her but ì had to move on. My salvation and future was at stake. I can-t blame her. So you see Am not yet baptized but alreadly having my share of the shunning policy Jw practise, tell me what would have happened if i had gotten married? A freshly newly broken family by thd Watchtower society.. My point is it is a religious cult using the bible as a shield of defense against critism. Activist should focus more on helping Jw to first see some light on a subject matter and not outright arguing on doctrines with Jw's because you will hardly go anywhere with that approach. I recommend http://www.4jehovah.com to all Jw's reading this. Jehovah loves you but he won't come down from heaven to commend/condemn the Watchtower $ociety. He will only use men on earth just as he has always done in the bible. Stand neutral and Pay attention with an open heart!

Nice story-but hey, no-one is arguing with the JW's as you may see it, the truth is we are all praying for them-while we share the truth.
Jw's are not Spirit filled believers, to even know what direction is the truth.
Jw's refuse to study their own bible, which gives us all the information we need.
True believers in Christ, study about Christ,-and of course the Jw's fail to do so.

Acebrain28:
The true church is not physical or an organisation. It is borne and composed of spirit and truth from God.

I studied and associated with Jehovah's witnesses for more than a year and made alot of friends. I was so devoted to the religion and exalted it above my career, interests and family. Then, Whenever i stumbled on posts/articules against Jw's, i tagged it satanic. Infact it made me more convinced i was in the right path. During this stern period my relationship with my family was so poor. Infact i wanted to leave my father's house because everyone opposed the faith. I also had this heavy burden in my heart always not to fall off jw standards. A pang of guilt feeling followed me all the time for very littly things like buying a gift on my mum's birthday, admiring a non-jw lady. However as God did it i came to realise everything spoken against the Watchtower Society has truth in it but this didn't just happen suddenly. It took prayer, time and effort on my own part for things to get clearer for me. The scales plastered on my eyes by the watchtower society through their un-ending indoctrination had to fall off first and this happened when i saw the hyprocisy and conditional interest they portay to people around them. They are imperfect but better than anyone else. You see It's a really long story on my case. However as i questioned the religion more and more i became more inclined to make numerous researches over every single bit of information/doctrine/history about the religion. However this time i did it all with an open heart and humbled attitude. As i made more and more findings and truth about the whole Jw organization matters, i soon became offically awakened. I made a big mistake by openly declearing my new convictions to the Jws i know and guess what? They all blocked me on social media! I became a dreaded apostate because i exposed The Watchtower society lies. You see Nothing spreads faster than bad news among Jws. Till today of over 100 friends i made ranging frow elders to baptized publishers both far and near during my stay with them 0% communicate with me. During my stay with them I fell in love with a sister and we had dreams with ended when i told her i can't continue with the religion. She was actually the first to learn about it and began shunning me to this day. It reallx was hard lose her but ì had to move on. My salvation and future was at stake. I can-t blame her. So you see Am not yet baptized but alreadly having my share of the shunning policy Jw practise, tell me what would have happened if i had gotten married? A freshly newly broken family by thd Watchtower society.. My point is it is a religious cult using the bible as a shield of defense against critism. Activist should focus more on helping Jw to first see some light on a subject matter and not outright arguing on doctrines with Jw's because you will hardly go anywhere with that approach. I recommend http://www.4jehovah.com to all Jw's reading this. Jehovah loves you but he won't come down from heaven to commend/condemn the Watchtower $ociety. He will only use men on earth just as he has always done in the bible. Stand neutral and Pay attention with an open heart!

The Jw's wouldn't have the slightest idea, about any apostles-the difference is, the apostles were Spirit filled believers, while the Jw's see the Spirit only as an active force, so how can you believe the Jw's were like the apostles, even both teachings are different.
Name which of the apostles, after the Spirit had led them to write the Word of God, which one of them had mocked the teachings of Christ, Just like the Jw's do?
All 12 apostles were witnesses, they witnessed Christ on the cross, and witnessed Christ raising from the dead.
These are the true apostles, gifted with laying on the hands-raising the dead, the blind now see, the sick are healed, which of the Jw's have these qualifications?
None.

joyandfaith:
there is only one truth.
jw beliefs and practices are close to that of early apostles.
though, there are some issues with their practices and beliefs which I think are not serious ones because jw are not dogmatic. with more evidences from bible they adjust their thinkings.

[quote author=moshoodn post=20128726] Is this a joke or what?
There is no Colossians 5:16 !!
[/quotes] so u even checked... buahahahahahahahahhaha

DKJaleel:
christians, they just cant seem to recognise their fool.ishness...smh..

You are simply here because you were not given any oath to swear before coming on this page. Mods is quite unfair christian pages don't have declaration but muslims have.

Acebrain28:
The true church is not physical or an organisation. It is borne and composed of spirit and truth from God.

I studied and associated with Jehovah's witnesses for more than a year and made alot of friends. I was so devoted to the religion and exalted it above my career, interests and family. Then, Whenever i stumbled on posts/articules against Jw's, i tagged it satanic. Infact it made me more convinced i was in the right path. During this stern period my relationship with my family was so poor. Infact i wanted to leave my father's house because everyone opposed the faith. I also had this heavy burden in my heart always not to fall off jw standards. A pang of guilt feeling followed me all the time for very littly things like buying a gift on my mum's birthday, admiring a non-jw lady. However as God did it i came to realise everything spoken against the Watchtower Society has truth in it but this didn't just happen suddenly. It took prayer, time and effort on my own part for things to get clearer for me. The scales plastered on my eyes by the watchtower society through their un-ending indoctrination had to fall off first and this happened when i saw the hyprocisy and conditional interest they portay to people around them. They are imperfect but better than anyone else. You see It's a really long story on my case. However as i questioned the religion more and more i became more inclined to make numerous researches over every single bit of information/doctrine/history about the religion. However this time i did it all with an open heart and humbled attitude. As i made more and more findings and truth about the whole Jw organization matters, i soon became offically awakened. I made a big mistake by openly declearing my new convictions to the Jws i know and guess what? They all blocked me on social media! I became a dreaded apostate because i exposed The Watchtower society lies. You see Nothing spreads faster than bad news among Jws. Till today of over 100 friends i made ranging frow elders to baptized publishers both far and near during my stay with them 0% communicate with me. During my stay with them I fell in love with a sister and we had dreams with ended when i told her i can't continue with the religion. She was actually the first to learn about it and began shunning me to this day. It reallx was hard lose her but ì had to move on. My salvation and future was at stake. I can-t blame her. So you see Am not yet baptized but alreadly having my share of the shunning policy Jw practise, tell me what would have happened if i had gotten married? A freshly newly broken family by thd Watchtower society.. My point is it is a religious cult using the bible as a shield of defense against critism. Activist should focus more on helping Jw to first see some light on a subject matter and not outright arguing on doctrines with Jw's because you will hardly go anywhere with that approach. I recommend http://www.4jehovah.com to all Jw's reading this. Jehovah loves you but he won't come down from heaven to commend/condemn the Watchtower $ociety. He will only use men on earth just as he has always done in the bible. Stand neutral and Pay attention with an open heart!

Jesus Christ the servant of Jehovah was labeled a 'Belzebub', you're not the first to call Jehovah's servants any name you deem fit.
It doesn't change the fact that Jehovah knows his faithful servants.

Joshua 24:14-15, JWs will continue to worship Jehovah the God of Jesus Christ our Lord,John 20:17 .

But you don't know what preaching the Gospel is?
We aren't interested in cultsh literature, we want bible truth-and so far you have refuse to give us our needs..
You don't try to reason-everything you write repeats itself, same old same old-it's like seeing a broken record replaying itself.
You have proving to us, you haven't the slightest idea..
After looking at your column-below: the above info obviously stands:

1. Jesus instructed his followers to preach the gospel--> Unlike other churches who oly broadcast on TV or have their member go in packs on the streets distributing church invites, jehovahs witnesses are the only group of christians who still patiently o from house to house teaching people

2. Celebration of pagan holidays- christs' date of birth is not recorded in the bible, and he never instructed that we help him celebrate it, amongst many other pagan holidays.. And jehovahs witnesses are he only people who dont celebrate these pagan holidays.

3. Non-request or tithe- jehovahs witnesses dont ask their members for tithe, instead they donate undisclosed amount out of freewill.

non-segregation of members- unlike most churches where the big men sit on comfy chairs while ordinary members sit on plastic chairs or where titles such as most. reverend, senior pastor, his holiness, and many others.. jehovahs witnesses either adress each other by name or add the prefix brother or sister.

brocab:
But you don't know what preaching the Gospel is?
We aren't interested in cultsh literature, we want bible truth-and so far you have refuse to give us our needs..
You don't try to reason-everything you write repeats itself, same old same old-it's like seeing a broken record replaying itself.
You have proving to us, you haven't the slightest idea..
After looking at your column-below: the above info obviously stands:

Wishy-washy nonsense as usual.

PRAISE JAH!

Tittos:
1)They are not the only people that preach.
2)Christ did not also instruct us to urinate, and you do those. Does that mean you are a sinner.
3)They do have elders and they regard them as elders,they are the only ones that are allowed to preach during their worship or bible class and they make the important decisions of the church. So is that not segregation or title. Don't forget that during the time of Jesus, there was also hierarchy and they were chief priests who were only allowed to lead the temple prayers. Jesus never spoke against that fact neither did he instruct that they should no longer be anyone who will lead the prayers..

Chai
Number 2 shows me the kind of IQ some people have
By their comments, you will know how much sense they have

Jesus did not tell us to wear clothes na

Saying that JWs are the only followers of Christ is like saying Buhari is the best President of the whole world. JWs barely mention Christ. They reject his Sacrifice every year and they barely listen to him. They only listen to Watchtower because Watchtower = Jehovah. They should be called Watchtower's witnesses.

brocab:
But you don't know what preaching the Gospel is?
We aren't interested in cultsh literature, we want bible truth-and so far you have refuse to give us our needs..
You don't try to reason-everything you write repeats itself, same old same old-it's like seeing a broken record replaying itself.
You have proving to us, you haven't the slightest idea..
After looking at your column-below: the above info obviously stands:

Nothing but facts. JWs and Christianity cannot be put in the same sentence.

We need to pray for them, that's what the Lord directs us to do..And try not to look at the person, look at the demonic activity around them, that's leading these people to hell. --

Courz:
Nothing but facts. JWs and Christianity cannot be put in the same sentence.

Courz:
Nothing but facts. JWs and Christianity cannot be put in the same sentence.

Courz IBERIBEISM extraordinary divorce from reality.

Janosky:
Courz IBERIBEISM extraordinary divorce from reality.

Janosky, Janosky, Janosky, Why is Watchtower running you JWs and your Mother Freemason Cult IBSA at the same time yet still claiming Pure Worship? Remember, IBSA are Freemasons free to celebrate Christmas and Birthdays and do all that you JWs kick against.

[/quote]We cannot understand that scripture to mean eternal torment. why? because understanding it that way will contradict Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10. the dead know nothing.

Now, how do we understand this verse?

Can you open to Isaiah 34:9, 10? That was a prophesy for Edom. Do you think Edom's fire is still burning today? how would you interprete this scripture? It holds a key to our unlocking the meaning of what is stated in that revelation.[/quote]