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Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by nopretense: 9:56am On Apr 11, 2016
dulux07:
Based on experience, i realise most of these public uni students beeef priv schs. Most times its out of envy, for the fact that your parents are not privileged to send u to one, should not make u bad-mouth them.
The only difference between the two is, education is carried out in a more condusive and principled environment than the other.

Nice write up..op.

*smiles.....
Well, everyone has to defend wat they av. As a public uni subscriber, I neva for once had a thing fr private uni nd I'm sure many of my counterparts don't either. Of a truth, nothin is special in d private unis in Nigeria. Infact, they r a major setback in d standard of uni edu system sector in Nigeria. Stop feeling urself unnecessarily; we r after results nd not inputs. If my token thousands of naira can get me wat ur multimillion naira can get u or even better. Then, why shld I worry?! It is called comparative advantage....
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by panini(m): 9:58am On Apr 11, 2016
Why all the beef?
I have met people from CU, Babcock and AUN that are very brilliant and would beat many of those in federal and state schools. Equally I know a whole bunch who know nothing. People who with passes in maths got admitted for engineering and people who failed chemistry and got admitted for biochemistry! As in I know them personally, no be persin tell me.
On the other hand, as a UI recent graduate, I met some of the brightest minds in Nigeria and also people with very twisted reasoning faculties. Likewise people in other public schools that'll make you wonder if they are the ones writing the subtitles for all those Yoruba movies. But honestly, public school pass public school. If we could all afford the fees for a private university some state schools would never be applied to.
Intelligent people and dull people dey everywhere. Just read nairaland comments for a week to find out. grin

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Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by realmindz: 10:00am On Apr 11, 2016
dulux07:

Continue deceiving yourself
that's the truth. federal universities are very competitive, and those with great results make it with the merit list, over 80% are on merit, others could be politics
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 10:11am On Apr 11, 2016
Silvofitz:

I'm sure you didn't attend medical school. In MEDILAG, for instance, and even in most medschools, there's Elective outside Posting that gives medical students a stint at other medical schools or training centers all over the world. And if BU's Elective Posting is only restricted to India & US, I see that as a disadvantage.
When it comes to quality education, old broom sweeps better. Public universities parades the best lecturers, few of who are part-time lecturers in the private universities. And whatever these part-time lecturers dole out at the private centers is a fraction, an infinitesimal fraction, of what they give in their primary place of assignment.
Or which procedure can be handled in BU that UCH cannot handle?
Do your lecturers answer to anybody? If your lecturers decide to skip the classes what will you guys do? No matter how good your lecturers are, their non chalant attitude will limit what you learn. Do we also talk about lecturers that accept bribes from students? 10k for A, 5k for B etc. Are those lecturers to be proud of? You dare not try this in a private school. Your lecturers that work part time here will come for all classes. They dare not miss any. So I don't agree with you. I don't think there's anything that can convince most of you to change your minds.

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Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 10:17am On Apr 11, 2016
realmindz:

that's the truth. federal universities are very competitive, and those with great results make it with the merit list, over 80% are on merit, others could be politics
Thats not true. I was going to enter a public uni years ago. Realised that I needed to know someone no matter how well I did in Jamb and post jamb. They were asking us for a bribe. So let's not lie to ourselves.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Olabestonic001(m): 10:19am On Apr 11, 2016
dulux07:
Based on experience, i realise most of these public uni students beeef priv schs. Most times its out of envy, for the fact that your parents are not privileged to send u to one, should not make u bad-mouth them.
The only difference between the two is, education is carried out in a more condusive and principled environment than the other.

Nice write up..op.



Yes, their parents never stole public funds and enmesh in corruption and corrupt practices like the parents of some of those guys.
That to me is the best word.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by ReverseEngineer: 10:19am On Apr 11, 2016
Draxler:

So using your logic, these things are a celebration of mediocrity. But they are lacking in unilag that's why they are rioting. So this unilag which is a public school is mediocre because they lack these little things you claim to be mediocre. Agreed?
If you observed, I've laid very strong emphasis on the NIGERIAN CONTEXT. We need to first understand that in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is the king. All we have in Nigeria is a backward form of eduction. Be that as it may, against this backdrop, there are still some "kings" ruling the blind (private schools perhaps). Mind you, Unilag students protested and didn't riot. Protest is a welcome way to show dissatisfaction even in the civilized world. Little wonder former Iceland prime Minister, Sigurður Ingi Jóhannsson was forces to resign after a massive national protest spurred by the leak of the Panama papers ...Remember the power situation as we speak is an eyesore nationally. Fuel is also another menace. Unilag is being run by the government and is geographically located at Nigeria, so, somehow, the precarious situation can be justified. At least it didn't happen a month ago. These are issues beyond the school management's control. Even foreign investors are fleeing Nigeria. Its a national issue and could be understood. Mind you, white students also protest.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by uchennaq(m): 10:23am On Apr 11, 2016
I AM A PRODUCT OF (APPLIED)CHEMISTRY DEPT UNIVERSITY OF CALABAR 2007. I CAME OUT WITH 2ND CLASS LOWER DIVISION. I CHALLENGE ALL 1ST CLASS APPLIED CHEMISTRY STUDENTS THAT EMANATED FROM THESE SO CALLED PRIVATE UNIVERSITY TO A COMPETITION. NO HOLDS BAR angry angry angry angry angry angry angry sad sad sad sad
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by dulux07(m): 10:28am On Apr 11, 2016
nopretense:

*smiles.....
Well, everyone has to defend wat they av. As a public uni subscriber, I neva for once had a thing fr private uni nd I'm sure many of my counterparts don't either. Of a truth, nothin is special in d private unis in Nigeria. Infact, they r a major setback in d standard of uni edu system sector in Nigeria. Stop feeling urself unnecessarily; we r after results nd not inputs. If my token thousands of naira can get me wat ur multimillion naira can get u or even better. Then, why shld I worry?! It is called comparative advantage....
What do u call, corrupt activities, facilities and academic decay going on for years now in the pub university. As old as some of them are, they can not even feature in top best in africa. I guess its a major SET-FORWARD right, CONTINUE DECEIVING URSEF. no wonder some of u use 7yrs for a 4yr course

There is nothing special about pub uni as well, just avoidable and meaningless harsh conditions. If a private uni student desperately wants to attend a pub uni, his 1year fee in a priv uni will buy his way in. Thats how decayed the public system is.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by ReverseEngineer: 10:29am On Apr 11, 2016
uchennaq:
I AM A PRODUCT OF (APPLIED)CHEMISTRY DEPT UNIVERSITY OF CALABAR 2007. I CAME OUT WITH 2ND CLASS LOWER DIVISION. I CHALLENGE ALL 1ST CLASS APPLIED CHEMISTRY STUDENTS THAT EMANATED FROM THESE SO CALLED PRIVATE UNIVERSITY TO A COMPETITION. NO HOLDS BAR angry angry angry angry angry angry angry sad sad sad sad
Omoh see Schrödinger ooooo!!!!

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Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by ReverseEngineer: 10:34am On Apr 11, 2016
dulux07:

What do u call, corrupt activities, facilities and academic decay going on for years now in the pub university. As old as some of them are, they can not even feature in top best in africa. I guess its a major SET-FORWARD right, CONTINUE DECEIVING URSEF. no wonder some of u use 7yrs for a 4yr course

There is nothing special about pub uni as well, just avoidable and meaningless harsh conditions. If a private uni student desperately wants to attend a pub uni, his 1year fee in a priv uni will buy his way in. Thats how decayed the public system is.
Yea.. Sure. And all I need to get admitted into a private University is Just an O'level result with a permissible "pass" in Maths alongside my 700k+ naira with my 150+ in Jamb. Post Utme? common!!! you've paid for that, just come commence lectures...
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by dulux07(m): 10:34am On Apr 11, 2016
Olabestonic001:



Yes, their parents never stole public funds and enmesh in corruption and corrupt practices like the parents of some of those guys.
That to me is the best word.
Inadequate exposure and experience. Your parents dont have to be filthy rich before u can attend a priv university. undecided
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Gaddafithe2nd(m): 10:35am On Apr 11, 2016
aeboiy:


would you rather the school goes through with your hands cut off or worst still dead
Abeg make you forget all this beef.
I graduated from LASU after 7years and I'm yet to get my certificate which will take like another year or 2.
Wow! that is too bad. I got my certificate two days after my graduation at Unilag.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by francisbiz: 10:36am On Apr 11, 2016
maputohq:

based on experience, public uni rejects take private uni as consolation.
why would i bad-mouth one who is "priviledged" out of envy for being a priv uni undergraduate when i'm also priviledge to get same on merit in a public uni where most politicians run their second, third, fourth and even fifth degree.
our anger is "we suffer more" and so let them take their "first class" off our faces.
First, the fact that you are in public uni does not necessarily imply you got it on merit; actually, only a few get into public unis by merit.
No beefing bro, lets ride.
Lets make wazobia university our hypothetical public uni, in accounting wazobia has 100 slots for freshmen, after ume, cut mark is supposed to be derived but is fixed by the uni. Cut off is supposed to be derived starting form the highest score of the candidate that made the school first choice in descending order untill you get to the 100th candidate. But out of that 100 slots 20% could be set aside for those who made the uni second choice that falls within the merit cut off mark.
But what does wazobia uni do, it fixes her own cut off mark to admit only 20 candidates on merit, the remaining 80 slots are then shared among the lecturers, in this order - Vc-50 to accommodate political intrests and other influence, the remaining 30 slots are distributed among other lecturers including deans, senior lecturers, registrars etc, and many sell their slots to the highest bidder.
That is why you will notice that you scored 234 but rejected, whille a lot that scored 205 are admitted.
But when post ume was introduced, everything was turned into 'come and see American wonder!'

That does not mean that some in the private unis are not average or below, but worse are still in the public unis.
A system that favours quota and catchment style favours mediocrity.

I know that a lot of students in the public uni perform up to first class level, but are denied because of the following reasons
1. Lecturers are not willing to give merit easily, some lectures can not defend themselves how much more the marks they give, especially when they are not proffs;
2. some lecturers are old fashioned and wicked,
3. high level corruption and victimization in the school.
4. If you are brilliant you can make first class not only in Nigerian private unis, but in any uni in the world ceteris paribus .
All said, any body that made first class in pub uni went through hell and should be highly respected. yet first class is first class no matter where you made it, as long you are intelligent.

If actually pri unis are playing foul, time will tell, but I believe no private school would dare 'dash' someone first class. First class attracts scrutiny, schools dont joke with it.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 10:42am On Apr 11, 2016
ReverseEngineer:
If you observed, I've laid very strong emphasis on the NIGERIAN CONTEXT. We need to first understand that in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is the king. All we have in Nigeria is a backward form of eduction. Be that as it may, against this backdrop, there are still some "kings" ruling the blind (private schools perhaps). Mind you, Unilag students protested and didn't riot. Protest is a welcome way to show dissatisfaction even in the civilized world. Little wonder former Iceland prime Minister, Sigurður Ingi Jóhannsson was forces to resign after a massive national protest spurred by the leak of the Panama papers ...Remember the power situation as we speak is an eyesore nationally. Fuel is also another menace. Unilag is being run by the government and is geographically located at Nigeria, so, somehow, the precarious situation can be justified. At least it didn't happen a month ago. These are issues beyond the school management's control. Even foreign investors are fleeing Nigeria. Its a national issue and could be understood. Mind you, white students also protest.
White students also protest against lack of basic things such as electricity or fuel? What American school or Canadian school did that? My sister came back from BU and didn't even know there was a severe power and fuel problem in the country. She had been experiencing stable power supply. I went to CU and I can proudly say that we can never have problems with power supply no matter what goes on in the country. Now academic activities have been shut down in the school because of these things and the innocent students are the ones who will suffer for it. If those things are beyond your school managenent they certainly are not beyond mine. Private unis will go the extra mile to ensure their students are comfortable.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 10:47am On Apr 11, 2016
ReverseEngineer:
Yea.. Sure. And all I need to get admitted into a private University is Just an O'level result with a permissible "pass" in Maths alongside my 700k+ naira with my 150+ in Jamb. Post Utme? common!!! you've paid for that, just come commence lectures...
There is post utme in CU. Its called cuSAT. In the year I got admitted out of 10000 people that wrote the exam only about 1000 were admitted. So just because you have 700k doesn't mean your admission is sure. Nobody with 150 jamb score will enter CU, or someone with a pass in maths or any subject related to the course you want to study. So get your facts right.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by dulux07(m): 10:50am On Apr 11, 2016
ReverseEngineer:
Yea.. Sure. And all I need to get admitted into a private University is Just an O'level result with a permissible "pass" in Maths alongside my 700k+ naira with my 150+ in Jamb. Post Utme? common!!! you've paid for that, just come commence lectures...
N how many years did u spend in d private uni, how many summers did u come 4. undecided

What u people dont understand is, private uni benefit more from student failing, its a private uni, its a profit making institution, the more students fail, the more they come for summer and spend extra yrs, the more money they generate for the sch. They are not ready to compromise for any student.

U people argue blindly, argue wit facts n not rumours. No private uni will admit without meeting jamb cutoff n complete recommended o lvls for the course u want to pursue. All uni Including private are all been regulated by one body. NUC.
If they mistakenly do admit u wit ur poor result, it will boomerang.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Pasca07: 10:53am On Apr 11, 2016
francisbiz:

First, the fact that you are in public uni does not necessarily imply you got it on merit; actually, only a few get into public unis by merit.
No beefing bro, lets ride.
Lets make wazobia university our hypothetical public uni, in accounting wazobia has 100 slots for freshmen, after ume, cut mark is supposed to be derived but is fixed by the uni. Cut off is supposed to be derived starting form the highest score of the candidate that made the school first choice in descending order untill you get to the 100th candidate. But out of that 100 slots 20% could be set aside for those who made the uni second choice that falls within the merit cut off mark.
But what does wazobia uni do, it fixes her own cut off mark to admit only 20 candidates on merit, the remaining 80 slots are then shared among the lecturers, in this order - Vc-50 to accommodate political intrests and other influence, the remaining 30 slots are distributed among other lecturers including deans, senior lecturers, registrars etc, and many sell their slots to the highest bidder.
That is why you will notice that you scored 234 but rejected, whille a lot that scored 205 are admitted.
But when post ume was introduced, everything was turned into 'come and see American wonder!'

That does not mean that some in the private unis are not average or below, but worse are still in the public unis.
A system that favours quota and catchment style favours mediocrity.

I know that a lot of students in the public uni perform up to first class level, but are denied because of the following reasons
1. Lecturers are not willing to give merit easily, some lectures can not defend themselves how much more the marks they give, especially when they are not proffs;
2. some lecturers are old fashioned and wicked,
3. high level corruption and victimization in the school.
4. If you are brilliant you can make first class not only in Nigerian private unis, but in any uni in the world ceteris paribus .
All said, any body that made first class in pub uni went through hell and should be highly respected. yet first class is first class no matter where you made it, as long you are intelligent.

If actually pri unis are playing foul, time will tell, but I believe no private school would dare 'dash' someone first class. First class attracts scrutiny, schools dont joke with it.
well said
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Nobody: 10:56am On Apr 11, 2016
gamaliel121:



Giving them good grades to compensate their parents? Sister, are you in any private university?
No o but I have cousins and friends in private school.The truth is bitter,from your comment,u are in a private uni
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by An0nimus: 10:57am On Apr 11, 2016
Reverseengineer, argument is not by plenty grammar o. Draxler used your analogy to drive home a point and you went off a tangent in your reply lol.

Draxler keep educating these guys if you still have the time. The task is an uphill one though.

@Topic.

I don tire to talk for this kind topic. like someone said, we've been hardwired to think we must suffer like slave men on cotton farms before we can gain academic excellence. So much assumption and false sense of pride from many posters here.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by ReverseEngineer: 11:03am On Apr 11, 2016
dulux07:

N how many years did u spend in d private uni, how many summers did u come 4. undecided

What u people dont understand is, private uni benefit more from student failing, its a private uni, its a profit making institution, the more students fail, the more they come for summer and spend extra yrs, the more money they generate for the sch. They are not ready to compromise for any student.

U people argue blindly, argue wit facts n not rumours. No private uni will admit without meeting jamb cutoff n complete recommended o lvls for the course u want to pursue. All uni Including private are all been regulated by one body. NUC.
If they mistakenly do admit u wit ur poor result, it will boomerang.

That's a lie bro. There are lots of private Unis that don't even require post UTME exams. Just come with your money after you fail Jamb! I mean, a handful of them. I wouldn't want to spoil someone's business by calling out schools.. I still maintain that, If all you're provided with is nothing different from what other Nigerians universities provide, and the products of the said school are yet to produce meaningful stuffs, then the 800k+ is a monumental waste. I'll give an analogy in my next post..
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by gamaliel121(m): 11:06am On Apr 11, 2016
reminiscing:

No o but I have cousins and friends in private school.The truth is bitter,from your comment,u are in a private uni

Yes, and nobody gives you good grades as compensation dear...


If you are un serious you'll fail mehn!!

Don't be misinformed..

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Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by ReverseEngineer: 11:06am On Apr 11, 2016
An0nimus:
Reverseengineer, argument is not by plenty grammar o. Draxler used your analogy to drive home a point and you went off a tangent in your reply lol.

Draxler keep educating these guys if you still have the time. The task is an uphill one though.

@Topic.

I don tire to talk for this kind topic. like someone said, we've been hardwired to think we must suffer like slave men on cotton farms before we can gain academic excellence. So much assumption and false sense of pride from many posters here.
Hello. I think it's rather draxler that's trying to dodge my argument and recycle all he has said. I'll quote him now.. Meanwhile, keep up with the bias. .
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by maputohq: 11:12am On Apr 11, 2016
@francisbiz
80% of admission are on merit in a public uni. or let me put it this way. i'm a law student in uniabuja. as at 2011, i had 249 in jamb. while merit list had scores of 250-400(if possible), i had to wait for the second list.
even if someone below 220 is given admission ahead of me, there are other criteria aside connection which can warrant it and it is still based on merit.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Chuksprince: 11:16am On Apr 11, 2016
Should this even be a topic? Public Schools rock... Proud FUTO
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Nobody: 11:21am On Apr 11, 2016
gamaliel121:

Yes, and nobody gives you good grades as compensation dear...

If you are un serious you'll fail mehn!!
Don't be misinformed..

We have seen u
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 11:21am On Apr 11, 2016
Chuksprince:
Should this even be a topic? Public Schools rock... Proud FUTO
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Nobody: 11:22am On Apr 11, 2016
Draxler:

Do your lecturers answer to anybody? If your lecturers decide to skip the classes what will you guys do? No matter how good your lecturers are, their non chalant attitude will limit what you learn. Do we also talk about lecturers that accept bribes from students? 10k for A, 5k for B etc. Are those lecturers to be proud of? You dare not try this in a private school. Your lecturers that work part time here will come for all classes. They dare not miss any. So I don't agree with you. I don't think there's anything that can convince most of you to change your minds.
Lwkmd. This is awkward! If that's what is obtained in the public university in your clime, it's strange to us here.
I went to a prestigious, celebrated, record-breaking citadel of learning.
And our products speak for us all over the world.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 11:22am On Apr 11, 2016
ReverseEngineer:
Hello. I think it's rather draxler that's trying to dodge my argument and recycle all he has said. I'll quote him now.. Meanwhile, keep up with the bias. .
Nah I'm not trying to dodge anything. Iv brought up valid points and even used your own words against u my friend.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by holyfather(m): 11:25am On Apr 11, 2016
aeboiy:


you guys tend to forget that its not the best that get into public school but the connected. I scored higher than most people that where admitted in UNILORIN in my last ever UTME (236 in UTME, 66 in post-UTME) but I wasn't admitted, people who scored less than 215 & less than 55 in post UTME were admitted . so how do you expect them to produce the high number of first class you want to see. like it or not; your teacher and the system can bring out the best in you.
please explain that.
my sister never scored less than 250 in her life but she wrote jamb 4 good times before going to private uni.
so what are you guys arguing?
Don't get it twisted, I am pro private universities. grin
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by Draxler: 11:26am On Apr 11, 2016
Silvofitz:

Lwkmd. This is awkward! If that's what is obtained in the public university in your clime, it's strange to us here.
I went to a prestigious, celebrated, record-breaking citadel of learning.
And our products speak for us all over the world.
So in other words, you are denying that these things that I'm saying happen in public schools. No problem let's all keep deceiving ourselves.
Re: Reason For High Fees And Turnout Of First Class Graduates In Private Unis. by esmarcq(m): 11:27am On Apr 11, 2016
Funminicrown:
And so?
Does that justify why 400+ students will graduate with a first class out of 1000 graduands?
Private universities are the remote cause of our fall in educational standard.
I stand to be corrected!
and wat have the educational sector gained from you and how have ur brilliant first class students contribute to this nation

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