squarelead:
Take it or leave it, all unrighteousness is sin, and no sinner shall inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD.

You see how jewish and pharisee-like you sound?

Please what of samson who died by SUICIDE but was justified by faith?

Read Heb11 for more details!

promise101:

My friend, that might sound strange to you, because so many preachers these days are not just helping out at all, rather they are good at CONDEMNING people to hell, while they themselves know that they CAN NEVER be sinless perfect. Yet, they clamour for sinless perfection, right from our church pulpits. It is very heretic and harmful!


Now to understand this, you have to know that christ's death pays for the PENALTY of the sins, from the days of adam and eve till the day rapture will take place. Which means, through his sacrifice the WHOLE/ENTIRE sins of the whole world, from the days of adam to the day of rapture, where forgiven.

In other words, ALL our sins where forgiven.

Now, "ALL" as referred to the above doesn't not mean "your past sins till the day you ask for forgiveness". Absolutely not!

Another word for all is ENTIRE. For God to say he has forgiven our ENTIRE sins, he was not talking about; past only or past + present only. If so then it means that all our sins where not forgiven.


There is NO "ALL/ENTIRE" WITHOUT A COMPLETE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. This shows that christ didn't die only for our past sins, because when he died, we haven't even committed them. In other words, at the time of his death, our todays sin where viewed as futuristic sin, but yet his death covers it for us.


So no matter how strange it sounds to you, you have to believe that our past, present and future sins are being forgiven. Not believing it, makes you live a life of sin-consciousness and makes you live in doubt of your salvation, because at worst, your heart tells you, " what if you have sinned unconsciously/unknowingly?"

Chai! My brother, dis is heresy! Pure deception, nothing more. Where is it in d bible dat Christ died for both past, present nd future sins till rapture? Hahahahaha #EndTimeDeception

obixcel:
Dats Heresy!! False teachings of d highest order, no wonder these so called mega churches go too soft when it comes to condemning sin especially d sins of d flesh (immorality and fornication). Jesus died on d cross to bear d past sins of d world, not future sins. A sinner has to repent, confess and forsake his or her sins to be saved. Pls don't let those so called preachers deceive you, ...He that commits sin is of d Devil....." Once again..."Shall u continue in sin that Grace may be abound?....God forbid..." Let's not twist d scripture.

Man, you preaching a DEMONIC, SATANIC, HARMFUL and HERETIC bad gospel!

If jesus didn't die for future sins, then your sins can never be forgiven, because around 2000yrs ago, your today's sins where viewed as FUTURE sins.

So, what exactly are you talking about?

Op..Keep deceiving ursef..the only tin to do just to avoid condemnation is to quit fornicating..bible stated it clearly in Ephesians,colosians and revelation dat no adulterer wil go to heaven except u repent and abstain,grace can bring abt forgiveness wen u pray 4 forgiveness after fornication and try stopping it but grace wont save u wen u fornicate,show no sign of remorse/willingnes to quit fornication and eventually die without repenting

charmingeyes:

...and that is simply the gospel ...the good news.

Yes, exactly! Glory!

obixcel:
Dats how we know dem, they promote themselves rather than Christ Jesus.

Just see how unwise you sound?

You are here, stylishly supporting the heretic gospel of faith in christ + right living = eternal life.

That gospel does not in anyway promote christ, because that gospel indirectly means that faith alone in christ is deficient, which means that christ's finished work itself is not enough for eternal life, therefore you have to HELP God(Jesus) by adding your right living in REWARD for the GIFT of RIGHHTEOUSNESS.

What a heresy!

tycoon2:

Nice to know that you know Joseph prince. Please share how you came in contact with his ministry?

My boss introduced me to his ministry four years ago, ever since then my Christian has been so awesome.
I have read few of his books (Unmerited Favor, Destined To Reign and Grace Revolution). I also subscribed to his newsletter where I receive Daily email, I also often visit his Web Josephprince.org and I hardly miss any of his programme on Daystar and the new rejuvenated TBN.
How about you? How do you came in contact with his ministry?

Firstly, In order for you to prevent lust from invading your heart again, you need to recognise it for what it really is instead of you trying to deny the presence of such in your life. You must admit it as your weakness. Without your admittance of such, you can never conquer it in your life. It takes true humility & genuine repentance to do this. The apostle John said about this in the book of 1 john 1: 8-10
Second, once u realised this, the next thing u will do is to confess that sin of lust to God, tellin Him that u're truly sorry. The bible says that God is always faithful & just, He is quick to forgive us of our sins when we were remorseful & repentant. Also find a worthy person to confess that you have such weakness to that individual so that the person will know that you are serious about over coming such problem in ur life & will assist you in your quest to do so. This is because you need to be accountable should find yourself slipping back to that dark path again. Thirdly, remove & avoid all manner of medium that will incite lust to rise again in ur heart, including hard & soft porns, bad friends, x-rated movies & music videos, being alone with the opposite sex in a private place etc
Finally, this is the hardest part but by the special grace of God, you can do it. Realise that you can't overcome this weakness on your own. You need trust master Jesus to help you overcome it. The bible says that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. This is something that only Jesus alone can do not by your own might. Remember to pray to God always, my friend. It's your greatest weapon against forces of evil. Goodluck in your faith walk to perfection. May the spirit of the lord be with you & give you strength to overcome your temptations.

promise101:

Please, what is your point exactly?

Are you trying to say that one must be sinless perfect before one can go to heaven? If yes, please quote a single person that lived under sinless perfection, except christ, according to the scriptures.

As for your question, in my case I don't know about you, I will go free despite my flaws and sins.

Why? Because the punishment that I deserved for my past, present and future sins have been laid on christ. SO, I OWN NO DEBT!

God is graceful but not FOOLISH!


He take all your sin but doesn't mean for you to keep doing the same mistake over and over again. Your grace will cut short and fall into the hand of the devil.

promise101:

Man, you preaching a DEMONIC, SATANIC, HARMFUL and HERETIC bad gospel!

If jesus didn't die for future sins, then your sins can never be forgiven, because around 2000yrs ago, your today's sins where viewed as FUTURE sins.

So, what exactly are you talking about?

Maybe u're mixing things up by using d word "Future". Look at John I:29...."John seeth Jesus coming and said, Behold d lamb of God dat taketh away the SIN of the world". Now John didn't say "that taketh away the Future sins of the world" he only mentioned "SIN of d World" dats was because our sins were numerous, dat was why Christ died once for all, so we may have access to d Throne of mercy for d forgiveness of our sins.

Alani86:



This is complete heresy! Absolute error!! Please, if you don't have a deep understanding of God's word, you had better keep mute and stop causing confusion for yourself and innocent readers. Open your eyes wide and read this passage; "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"; 1John3:9! That sin/sinner you are quoting wrongly isn't referring to those who have been saved. It refers to those who still haven't been to Jesus for the cleansing of sin. Grace is available to locate them and save/redeem them. Believers are saved by faith THROUGH grace. That's the same grace that the bible says abound amongst sinners. Get it right bro.... And don't be cheated!

Let me also mention very quickly, with the view to balancing things up here, that even the yet committed sin, Jesus died for them. That is why a saint that derail/back-slide can still get back on track. That the efficacy/provision of the blood; to cleanse us from our mistakes/stains/errors/errs/etc.

Please, reply this post with an answer to my question. Any other is not allowed.

ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?

naturefellow:
like seriously! It was as though I did not hear it right at first. The congregation was practically asked to take sin lightly in the subtlest way I have ever seen. Preacherman supported his exhortation with instances of God as being a very forgiving father who would always welcome an offender with open arms regardless of the sin committed. Lobatan
He didn't need to spell it out!

And to my utmost discomfort, he never mentioned a word about punishment for sin, restoration, retribution. Not even 'holiness' or related scriptures popped up. Everything about the message wasn't right!

fornication, adultry, murderer, homosexual all will not enter the kingdom of God.

For the weight of sin is death.

promise101:

Just see how unwise you sound?

You are here, stylishly supporting the heretic gospel of faith in christ + right living = eternal life.

That gospel does not in anyway promote christ, because that gospel indirectly means that faith alone in christ is deficient, which means that christ's finished work itself is not enough for eternal life, therefore you have to HELP God(Jesus) by adding your right living in REWARD for the GIFT of RIGHHTEOUSNESS.

What a heresy!

What's wrong in having faith in Jesus? We are saved by Faith, d end result is the righteousness of God being imparted in our lives, we start manifesting his righteousness (meaning living right) The Just shall live by Faith

VictorRomanov:



See how u just came online and started talking rubbish, cos u have access to a phone with internet connection abi? Judge Dred! I asked a simple question and you came throwing tantrums like a 2yr old who was denied ice-cream!

You see a lady walking along the street, u call her, toast her, take her home and have sex with her. The following day, u repent. After 2 days you see another lady and u repeat the same process which led u to commit fornication, and u call me hypocrite for asking you if it is right?

Are your senses complete?

I bet you will quickly divorce a wife who is repeatedly adulterous after asking for your forgiveness each time she commits adultery! And the bible says if you don't forgive men their trespasses, neither will God forgive you.

You are both ignorant and unreasonable. You have the bible and u don't read. Cos you re afraid it will condemn ur actions. To enlighten yourself, read Romans 6:1 tell me what u understand.

If my question is tormenting your conscience deal with it or better still try the hang man's loop. Nonsense. Na me send u go sin?

And may God forgive me for coming at you like this!

.....ignoring the insults you threw at me with this post.

But you never answered my question.

I repeat again are you SINLESS PERFECT? Stop shying away with insults, it won't help you confuse the readers.

SEE MY QUESTION BELOW PLEASE, don't shy away;

Please, is sinless perfection by works of
righteousness a means of justification to sinners?

Can you please name a single man who lived
under sinless perfection, except Jesus, according
to the scriptures?

ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?


And remember, you knew that your post was full of insults, and you ended the post with forgiveness prayer.

What is the essence of the forgiveness prayer, you prayed at the end of your post?

Oh you really knew you poured out some insults, which you did INTENTIONALLY. * INTENTIONAL SIN* noted!

With that INTENTIONAL SIN you have just committed, MY LAST QUESTION IS: what is the difference between you and the person who fornicated and asked God for forgiven immediately after fornicating, just the way you did yours at the end of the post up there?


Please, I will really like you to answer the questions up there?

promise101:

.....ignoring the insults you threw at me with this post.

But you never answered my question.

I repeat again are you SINLESS PERFECT? Stop shying away with insults, it won't help you confuse the readers.

SEE MY QUESTION BELOW PLEASE, don't shy away;

Please, is sinless perfection by works of
righteousness a means of justification to sinners?

Can you please name a single man who lived
under sinless perfection, except Jesus, according
to the scriptures?

ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?


And remember, you knew that your post was full of insults, and you ended the post with forgiveness prayer.

What is the essence of the forgiveness prayer, you prayed at the end of your post?

Oh you really knew you poured out some insults, which you did INTENTIONALLY. * INTENTIONAL SIN* noted!

With that INTENTIONAL SIN you have just committed, MY LAST QUESTION IS: what is the difference between you and the person who fornicated and asked God for forgiven immediately after fornicating, just the way you did yours at the end of the post up there?


Please, I will really like you to answer the questions up there?

Now you know that there is something called intentional sin. Good! I believe my point has been made. And point taken!

But I keep wondering: if you know someone can sin intentionally, why were you making silly comments? You never figured out I meant intentional sin before u started throwing tantrums and calling me hypocrite? Maybe you needed the insults to bring you to your senses - and it worked!


Next time before u type, think. That's how's it suppose to be, not the other way round!

obixcel:
Let's get straight to d point, Do u believe in Eternal Security of d Believer? And what happened to Christ's words in John 15:1-5, "Abide in me and I in you.......IF anyone does not abide in me, he is plucked out like a branch and is withered...." Pls read dat passage very well. Salvation is by faith, but ur maintaining ur "saved status" is conditional, one has to abide in Christ, overcome temptation. There's no superman saint who feels he/she would indulge in sin and still remain a saved person, never!, whether u are born water and d spirit, if one commits sin habitually, intentionally, he/she is of d Devil.
Salvation is not meant to be complicated like d way u are putting it, I know a preacher told u all these, but if read d new testament very well for yourself, especially Romans, and I, II and III John, u'll discover dat it's as simple as ABC. which one is spirit, soul and whatever. Whether it's ur spirit dat is born again or ur soul, d bottom line is if any man be in Christ he is a new creature...." And Jesus gave a condition in John gospel, He said, "IF ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples in deed".

As heretic as your comment is, I have few questions.

Your post in summary is saying that after accepting christ we have to maintain our righteousness and overcome temptation.

Q1: HOW CAN YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS MAINTAIN WHAT IT WAS SO FILTHY TO MERIT? Please expantiate on this.

Q2: That we overcome temptations, does that make us justified or overcomers in christ?

obixcel:
Chai! My brother, dis is heresy! Pure deception, nothing more. Where is it in d bible dat Christ died for both past, present nd future sins till rapture? Hahahahaha #EndTimeDeception

Please disprove with the scriptures!

As learned as you are, does "ALL" include Past - present - future? Or does it include, past + present -future? Or does "ALL" include, past + present + future?

Think twice before you answer that.

promise101:

As heretic as your comment is, I have few questions.

Your post in summary is saying that after accepting christ we have to maintain our righteousness and overcome temptation.

Q1: HOW CAN YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS MAINTAIN WHAT IT WAS SO FILTHY TO MERIT? Please expantiate on this.

Q2: That we overcome temptations, does that make us justified or overcomers in christ?

The Righteousness I'm talking about is not Self-Righteousness, It's d righteousness dat comes by faith in Christ. We are not justified by d good works we do but faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. What is it dat is so confusing for you?

goingape:
God is graceful but not FOOLISH!


He take all your sin but doesn't mean for you to keep doing the same mistake over and over again. Your grace will cut short and fall into the hand of the devil.

Yeah, God is graceful but not foolish, neither do I. But, don't make yourself look like the foolish one, by preaching an anti-christic gospel.

Romans 5:20; "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did MUCH MORE abound"


Please, WITH THE SCRIPTURE explain more on that heretic statement that says; "Your grace will cut short and fall into the hand of the devil."

promise101:

Please disprove with the scriptures!

As learned as you are, does "ALL" include Past - present - future? Or does it include, past + present -future? Or does "ALL" include, past + present + future?

Think twice before you answer that.

Lol! all your recent posts, u hardly mention a scripture reference, and u are telling me to, I've quoted some passages and u couldn't decipher. ALL - means all d sins dat ever existed after d Fall of Man @ d garden of Eden. The world could not pay d price for d punishment of it, A sinless man like Christ was all sufficient. Good night bro.

obixcel:
Maybe u're mixing things up by using d word "Future". Look at John I:29...."John seeth Jesus coming and said, Behold d lamb of God dat taketh away the SIN of the world". Now John didn't say "that taketh away the Future sins of the world" he only mentioned "SIN of d World" dats was because our sins were numerous, dat was why Christ died once for all, so we may have access to d Throne of mercy for d forgiveness of our sins.

You are still playing with the truth, while the truth is there in abundance.

The John1:29 you quoted says "The next day john seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, behold the lamb of God, which TAKETH(present-CONTINUOUS) away the sins of the world.

And bear in mind, that john said that before the event at the cross.

promise101:

Yeah, God is graceful but not foolish, neither do I. But, don't make yourself look like the foolish one, by preaching an anti-christic gospel.

Romans 5:20; "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did MUCH MORE abound"


Please, WITH THE SCRIPTURE explain more on that heretic statement that says; "Your grace will cut short and fall into the hand of the devil."

whatever suit you!

I'm not here to argue on things like this.

If you said I preach anti Christ message why don't you go and keep sinning and repenting everyday without working on how to stop it, for it is said: if ya left hand course you to sin cut it off (figurative speach).

Thank you. And I nevered you were FOOLISH.

goingape:
fornication, adultry, murderer, homosexual all will not enter the kingdom of God.

For the weight of sin is death.

Please, what about samson who committed suicide, but counted righteous by faith? Heb11

promise101:

Please, what about samson who committed suicide, but counted righteous by faith? Heb11

Samson didn't commit suicide.

He die in battle. And meanwhile! He was already half dead and got no will of living.

obixcel:
What's wrong in having faith in Jesus? We are saved by Faith, d end result is the righteousness of God being imparted in our lives, we start manifesting his righteousness (meaning living right) The Just shall live by Faith

Eh, stop!
You failed it a big time!
No wonder why, you sound the way you sound!

You don't even know what the righteousness of God is. My friend, righteousness of God IS NOT right living.

Right living IS NEVER of faith but of works(law).

Gal 3:12; "AND LAW(right living) IS NOT OF FAITH: but, The man that doeth the shall live in them."

Does it mean that without Jesus, no one can live rightly? Some muslims live rightly, yet they are not of faith!

The righteousness of God is NOT our right living. The righteousness and holiness of God is JESUS.

2cor1:30;"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God IS MADE UNTO US wisdom, and RIGHTEOUSNESS, and sanctification, and redemption:"

Our righteousness is not right living but a person(Jesus), that's why he IMPUTS his righteousness on us, when we believe in him alone.

VictorRomanov:


Now you know that there is something called intentional sin. Good! I believe my point has been made. And point taken!

But I keep wondering: if you know someone can sin intentionally, why were you making silly comments? You never figured out I meant intentional sin before u started throwing tantrums and calling me hypocrite? Maybe you needed the insults to bring you to your senses - and it worked!


Next time before u type, think. That's how's it suppose to be, not the other way round!

Please, stop stylishly shying away.

Allow the questions to expose you ignorance, or are you afraid?

obixcel:
The Righteousness I'm talking about is not Self-Righteousness, It's d righteousness dat comes by faith in Christ. We are not justified by d good works we do but faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. What is it dat is so confusing for you?

You know that each time you guys start to preach all these your contradicting gospel, you will be running helter skelter as to not cut your tail with contradiction.


YOU SAID THIS: "Salvation is by faith, but UR MAINTAING UR "saved status" is
conditional, one has to abide in Christ, overcome
temptation. "


The above simply means, that after being saved, we have to MAINTAIN our saved status, which on top of that, you said is conditional and also overcome temptation.

Then I asked you these 2 questions;
Q1: HOW CAN YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS MAINTAIN
WHAT IT WAS SO FILTHY TO MERIT? Please
expantiate on this.

Q2: That we overcome temptations, does that
make us justified or overcomers in christ?


Finally, you are trying to stylishly run away, by saying; "Righteousness I'm talking about is not Self-Righteousness, It's d righteousness dat comes by faith in Christ. "

We maintaining our saved status as you meant, is by accepting christ AND THEN LIVING RIGHTLY(self-righteousness). Which is similar to that gospel I embattled the other day, saying; FAITH + right living=eternal life. Very heretic!

First of all to note, right living is not the righteousness of God. Righteousness of God is Jesus but our right living is OUR ESTABLISHED righteousness, EVEN AFTER ACCEPTING CHRIST.

Rom 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS(right living), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God(Jesus). 4 FOR CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW OF RIGHT LIVING(righteousness) to every one that believeth." He didn't say ".....to everyone that liveth rightly."

Finally, it is not our Job to maintain Jesus(righteousness of God), WE CAN'T MAINTAIN JESUS!!! It is the job of Jesus to maintain us.

Simply because, we can not maintain something that our righteousness was too filthy to merit.

obixcel:
Lol! all your recent posts, u hardly mention a scripture reference, and u are telling me to, I've quoted some passages and u couldn't decipher. ALL - means all d sins dat ever existed after d Fall of Man @ d garden of Eden. The world could not pay d price for d punishment of it, A sinless man like Christ was all sufficient. Good night bro.

Take this before going to bed!

People have said to me, “Pastor Prince, I was taught
that only my past sins—from the day I was born until the day I became a Christian—have been forgiven, and that my future sins are not forgiven until I confess them and seek forgiveness.”

My friend, when Jesus died on the cross, how many of your sins were future?

Unless you are more than 2,000 years old, all your
sins were future then! Jesus took them all upon
Himself, nailed them to the cross and declared, “It is finished!”

So if you are not forgiven of all, then you are not forgiven at all.

“You mean Jesus also died for the sin that I have just committed?”

Yes!

“And also for the sins which I will commit?”

Yes! That is why He said, “It is finished!”

But many of us are inconsistent in our believing. One part of us says, “God has forgiven me of all my sins.”

But another part says, “Yes, but I must still confess
my sins to be forgiven of them.” Are you like that?

Beloved, you are forgiven not because of your work of confession. Your confession cannot wash away your sins.

You are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus shed for you. His blood alone cleanses you.

You cannot believe that you are forgiven of your past, present and future sins, and still think that there is something for you to do to make that forgiveness complete. If you do, then it becomes your work too, not Jesus’ alone.

Is there a place for confession of sins? My friend, if
you have just sinned, you can always tell God about
it without feeling condemned because you know that you already have forgiveness and that Jesus was condemned in your place. But you don’t confess your sins to God in order to be forgiven. You already have total and complete forgiveness because of the blood of Jesus!


Gudnyt bro!

goingape:
whatever suit you!

I'm not here to argue on things like this.

If you said I preach anti Christ message why don't you go and keep sinning and repenting everyday without working on how to stop it, for it is said: if ya left hand course you to sin cut it off (figurative speach).

Thank you. And I nevered you were FOOLISH.

My friend, why do you guys like shying away from this question?

ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?

promise101:

My friend, why do you guys like shying away from this question?

ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?

what are you trying to prove right?

goingape:
Samson didn't commit suicide.

He die in battle. And meanwhile! He was already half dead and got no will of living.

Hahahahahahahaha, please go and start reading your bible!

You failed it!

He died in a battle? Who killed him?

Please stop!

"And Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and braced himself against them, the one with his right hand and the other with his left. And Samson said, “LET ME DIE with the Philistines!” And he bent with all his might so that the house fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he killed in his life." (NASB) Judges 16:29-30.


It is like, a christian who is kidnapped by boko haram, mistakenly gets hold on a bomb and planted it on his body and blows himself up together with the terrorist. He killed himself and his enemies and yet was counted unto righteousness by faith.


What do you have to say about that?

goingape:
what are you trying to prove right?

This is a simple question that demands yes/no.
I repeat, ARE YOU SINLESS PERFECT?
Please, one more time, humble your self to answer that question