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| Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 7:52pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
In as much as i totally detest the violence upheaval unleashed by the northern radicals like fulani herdsmen, boko haram, shiites etc. Though their catastrophic and cataclysmic violence to the southerners is egregiously apalling and its on the increase daily as many casualties are recorded through mass slaughter, rape, abduction destruction of lives and properties, etc. In as much as its grievious. Does this still justify Namdu Kanu's propagation of IPOB? I have seen many nairalanders justifying Namdu Kanu's actions for the agitation of the Bia fra republic for self government. This is an unwelcomed development. The Federal Government indeed has bored such burdens and in this time the igbos should place their support to the Federal Government. Nigeria is your country. Both in good and bad times. Segregating and withdrawing away from Nigeria at this point of crisis is totally unacceptable. To all igbos i'll advice you to think deeply and consider your options before you take the laws into your hands and regret later. In times of distress like this the Government need our support through prayers and vice versa. Withdrawing from Nigeria is uncalled for and unacceptable. GOD BLESS NIGERIA ONE NIGERIA |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by erocorp01: 8:08pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
SaintHephzibah: Did I hear you say regret? Mr. No soldier regrets after dying in battle...not even a civilian like me. So keep your regrets for those zombies who voted a zombie as president. 16 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by tobtap: 8:22pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
nope |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by fulanmafia: 8:28pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
The violence is by criminal terrorists from the North, and not by the millions of law abiding northerners. Nothing can justify Nnamdi Kanu's call for the killings of westerners and northerners, including their religious leaders like Rev Kumuyi. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by shobroy10(m): 8:30pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
I heard there are new agent in town called the Vampires ( those that do not see anything in the effort of mr president) 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 8:33pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
We should wait and support vagabonds and anti-development laws and policies until dem crazy people ruin everything pata pata? What is it about Nigeria you people are so proud of and want to keep at all costs? Unless Nigeria returns to regionalism, it can never develop... The cost of ruling the country alone... Do you know how many "lawmakers " federal + 36 states dat Nigeria has in total? How many federal + state ministries? ... No wonder 75% of d country's revenue goes into servicing recurrent expenditures All we are saying is... This Federal system aren't working and it will never work... If they don't want restructuring, then break up the goddam country ... Since 1960s ... To generate ordinary 5,000 mw is a big problem ... Kai.. common refinery you can't build, operate or maintain... Do brazilians or arab folks dat refine crude have 2 heads? If you want to build something in Abia, kano man will come and so... No dont build anythingin igboland... If you want to build in kano, igbo will start shouting marginalization... And you call Nigeria a country? Nigeria is not a country, Nigeria is in deep shyte and d shyte has been flowing in its systems... Whether you like it, whether you don't, that's d blunt truth. Tribalism/ethnicity has eaten into everything ... Look herdmen comments on nairaland... Nigeria cannot work like this... Nonsense country 16 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 8:43pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
oweniwe:If federalism does not work, there is no what regionalism would work You already have a representative, the closest to you are your Councillors and LG. What have you and your neighbours done so far with them? What we need is either more devolved power to the LGs/Councils or responsible citizenry! 2 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 9:04pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
daretodiffer: You don't get it... Instead of promoting, complementing and developing each other in Nigeria, we do exactly the opposite ... We plunder, abuse and deliberately destroy/pull down ourselves ... Let me give you example... If a village produces crude oil/gas... Hosts a power plant... But yet is in 24/7 darkness (are you aware many communities under BEDC in delta/ondo have been in total blackout for 3 years now...?)... If a power plant/oil pipe line pass through their village, den no born d community ppl well if they don't blow d pipeline and vandalise transmission system ... Wat rubbish ... They drill gas here... Generate power here and carry d power to "big cities " while you're in complete darkness for 3 years.. Councillirs, LG chairmen have tried all they could... Even paying bills for whole communities yet BEDC refuse to turn on d light... See, dis one don pass representative matter. If you are from such producing, yet deprived community ... Omoh... if high tension powerline pass through your community , you will climb nepa pole, cut down d dammed cables and throw d "cities " in darkness too... ..!!!.. Look at d lagos-calabar rail controversy ... U want to build lagos-kano ... But cancel lagos-calabar.... Even if councillor /representatives approve and put lagos-calabar in d budget ... Will it make buhari to build both rail lines? If buhari doesn't want to build lagos-calabar rail... There is Nothing "representatives" or "responsible citizens " can do...!!.. If calabar or warri man now go and blow up lagos-kano rail line ... Like fulani herdsmen are currently wrecking havoc... Will you blame him? ... @ OP.... Igbo should not take laws into their hands but boko haram and herdmen are free to do so by call for rising sun..??.. it's like calling igbo people mumu/fools/morons Ordinary court orders and mega protests cannot move one man to release a detained guy... Wat can representatives do? Forget Nigeria jare... Everything with d country is forked up... See NFF ... They are ready to pay millions in advance for foreign coach... But local coach who is being owed 8 months salary should shut up.. How will Nigeria ever develope like this? No way 8 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by brize(m): 9:22pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
See them...... The black Africans who value a contraption created by a slave trader called Lugard and named by his prostitute that later became his wife called Flora shaw.. Can you as a Nigerian tell me the meaning of Nigeria?? Nope, have you ever heard of another country created by one man?? Nope, how many country in this world has an expiring date just like the expired Nigeria (1914-2014) british experiment?? None, To be sincere does Nigeria respect human beings?? Nope........ Do we have the same value system?? Nope, do we eat, dress and practice the same religion?? Nope........ What then unites us as a nation? War, hatred, oil, more war and more political killings........No progress, no hope since over 54 years now. This are the things that justifies Nnamdi Kanu's call for self-determination. They said two can not work unless they agree, two?? What about three?? 4 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 9:36pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
brize: If I hear say 3 .... How many tribes dey Nigeria? ... Abi berom, urhobo, tiv, ijaw, jukun, kanuri and plethora of others no dey? How do we expect all of us to work together? Its like a big articulated lorry with over 200 tires competing with jumbo jets, high speed trains and 6X6 trucks in a race... That's naija for you 1 Like |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 9:41pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
oweniwe: I don't get it because I can't get it. Federalism is not your problem! It can never be your problem! Are we talking about the same Bayelsa state that gets 13%? What has the people of Bayelsa done to ensure their Governor fulfil his promise? Electricity has been privatised for almost 3 years now? What has the Governor done to attract investors to the energy sector? What has he done to stop vandalism? What steps have he taken? What has he done with all the loans? WHAT HAS HE DONE? Helping one another is not a big deal. helping one another does not mean that you have to suffer. No ND can walk up to me and tell me that I am their problem. What they have been given all these while could have made them the best region in Africa? What did their leaders do with it? The North has got nothing to do with their problem. They are in the same boat! The earlier we identify and agree that we are the problem and that we are facing the same issue. The better for us. Therefore your problem is not Federalism, the problem is you and I! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Babalegba(m): 9:44pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Certainly not |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by 66xtr9r: 10:12pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
fulanmafia: Your problem is more than Biaf..., it's more of arrogance upon ignorance. This is where you're needed to prove your worth - https://www.nairaland.com/3055565/ipob-spits-fire-describes-acf https://www.nairaland.com/3054375/fulani-herdsmen-sack-benue-community Mafia, have you paid this money - https://www.nairaland.com/3054473/benue-farmers-sue-fulani-herdsmen? https://www.nairaland.com/3053135/hausa-man-must-emir Your fellow Fulani muslim considers a Nigerien or Chadian muslim a worthy companion than a Northern Christian. A Southern Christian is even worse off to be considered a human being but cockroaches deserving to be sprayed with insecticide purchased with resources from the better South. Notorious landgrabber, see where your greedy brood of vipers ranted senselessly: https://www.nairaland.com/3053448/northern-elders-write-buhari-2016 Your arrogant Northern Elders are the reason why this contraption is heading to the rocks. Have a look at your heartless people you should channel your silly rants to : 1. Asiwaju Bola Tinubu, Former Gov. of Lagos state. It is going to be rig and roast. We are prepared not to go to court but drive them out. (Tell, 7 July 2014.) 2. National Coordinator of the Coalition of Northern Politicians, Dr. Junaidu Mohammed Unless efforts are made to ensure that the 2015general election are free and fair, it may turn out tobe the last election in the history of the nation. (Leadership March 29, 2012) 3. Dr. Junaidu Mohammed National Coordinator of the Coalition of Northern Politicians. there will be bloodshed. Those who feel short-changed may take the war path and the country may not be the same again (Reported by Kemy Oguns in Osun Defender, 2nd December, 2013) 4. Abu King Shuluwa Nigeria will disintegrate if Jonathan contests in 2015 (Daily Independent Friday, March 8th ,2013) 5. Governor Shema Ibrahim of Kastina State You should not be bordered with cockroaches of politics. Cockroaches are only found in the toilet even at homes, If you see cockroach in your house, Crush them. (Reported by Premium Times on 19th November,2014) 6. Alhaji Lai Mohammed .Publicity Secretary of All Progressive Congress. If the 2015 elections are rigged, the party will not recognize the outcome and will go ahead and form a parallel government. (Leadership 21st November, 2014; Sahara Reporters 22nd November,2014) 7. Ima Sadiq An Islamic cleric, Muslims, vote for Buhari. It is a sin to support a non-Muslim (Twitter handle, Saturday, 27th December, 2014) 8. Oba of Lagos, Oba Rilwan Akiolu During a courtesy visit by Eze Ndigbos (Igbo traditional rulers) in all the local governments inLagos at the Oba’s palace, Mr. Akiolu reportedly said that the Igbos resident in Lagos should cast their votes for the governorship candidate of the All Progressives Congress, Akinwunmi Ambode, or perish inside the lagoon. 9. National Coordinator of the Coalition of Northern Politicians, Dr. Junaidu Mohammed It must be a Northerner or no Nigeria…If Goodluck Jonathan wins the PDP‟s endorsement to contest the 2011 presidential election, there would be violence. (Interview with Guardian Newspaper, 2nd November, 2010) 10. Presidential Candidate of Congress for Progressive Change, General Muhammadu Buhari God willing, by 2015, something will happen. They either conduct a free and fair election or they go a very disgraceful way. If what happened in 2011 should again happen in 2015, by the grace of God, the dog and the baboon would all be soaked inblood. (Reported by Lika Binniyat in Vanguard Newspaper on May 15th, 2012) 11. Shehu Sani, a Kaduna based civil rights activist. President Goodluck Jonathan should not contemplate contesting the 2011 presidential election. Any attempt by him to contest amounts to incitement and a recipe for political instability. (www.nigerianbestforum.com./shehu- sani-warns- jonathan-against- contesting) 4 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 11:09pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
daretodiffer: Look carefully ... You obviously can't see the crux in your own point... The problem afftects all Nigerians... Yes agreed ... But you didn't think deeper... The goat owned in common... Usually dies of hunger...!!.. If the "problem" is affecting everybody, then who is going to solve it...??.. If communal bathroom /toilet gets dirty... Who will clean it? If a problem afftects everybody in Nigeria, it is no longer a problem... It becomes a norm.. Epileptic power, bad roads, corruption, .. just look at what dey call "maga "... Maga initially was 419... But later Nigerians accepted it as a way of life... These nomadscattle rearers... Nomadism is "normal way of life" to them... They don't see it as a problem... But to farmers, nomadism is a big problem... How do you reconcile the nomad and the farmer? See, nobody cares about solving a problem he or she didn't create.... If I am a ijebu man and boko haram is killing people in borno.. what concern me with boko haram? Did I, in ijebu give boko haram bombs and guns and tell them to go and kill people in borno? In reality I don't have any business with boko/borno... If I say you should go and fight boko... You wil say, am I the one that started boko? You have never even been the "north " ... Their matter does not concern you...!!.. Now look it from infrastructure development angle... If hausa man from katsina is president and a federal expressway is bad in calabar/enugu. As a katsina man, d bad road in calabar/enugu does not concern him.... Abi is it katsina people that use/spoil the road in calabar/enugu? Similarly, if yoruba man ekiti man is president and there is no light in whole loxal government in sokoto, it does not concern the ekiti president... Look at Nigeria ' s present fuel scarcity... If somebody comes and say he want build 3 refinaries in niger delta, northern lawmakers, civil servants, nnpc northern folks will do everything they can to oppose it because a refinary in bayelsa does not concern them... Now it is like you don't know about "quota system ", national grid, federal road, federal character, land use act and other useless laws... U don't gerrit? If bayelsa has no power suppy, there is nothing bayelsa governor can do about it because power is shared from the NATIONAL GRID... No governor will waste his time investing in something that will be carrried away to where he doesn't even know... Delta has 3 power plants yet most of the state's interlands are in darkness ... Even if okowa build 5 more power Stations... It will not have any effect on local power supply cos the generated power... Law... Belongs to... One Nigeria/national grid.. Akpabio wanted to build ibaka sea port but he was frustrated by "federal laws " ... If a DISCO Cuts off a community, there is nothing the governor can do because governors don't control DISCOs. So here is the crux... At state level... Using ogun state for example .. if robbers are operating in ijebu... It does not concern egba governor .... if a federal infrastructure in a state is bad... E.g transmission line to state capital got vandalized... The state government can't do anything about it because it is d responsibility of the Transmission Company of Nigeria ... For your information ... State governments cannot build refinaries to combat fuel scarcity because they can't. You don't expect somebody to be cleaning a mess created by another person ... Now because the problem is affecting everybody doesn't mean we should all continue to suffer... Break up the national grid... Let people generate and consume their electricity like they are doing with generators... Must we share everything ni? If Rivers, Delta and Akwa Ibom governors like, let them build 7 new ports... Is it by force that everybody should barth in lagos? If your street is in darkness and robbers are also terrorising residents... Will you say because d problems affecting everybody in d street, therefore you will continue to stay in d neighborhood? If you buy generator and employ guard and your landlord come and say... "No be only you dey darkness ... Gen noise dey disturb me... Don't use generator in my house"... Will you remain in that house or you wil pack out? Because petrol scarcity is affecting everybody in nigeria doesn't mean those who produce crude oil and can refine it must suffer fuel scarcity with the rest of the country too Break up/regionalize the country and devolute more power to the regions... Let them generate their revenue,build and maintain themselves anyhow they want... The present federal system will not work cos the states are being spoon fed monthly allocation by the federal government .... After paying salaries, governors go broke... All the billions you are hearing are given to states... If you consider inflation, are actually tissue paper .... To build ordinary standard drainage costs about N500m in most niger delta states ... So projects wise.... When mirrored again the poor value of naira dat 13% is nothing ... N500m may build a good road in jigawa... But in Bayelsa, N500m cannot build 1km standard road... So dear, not everything is the representatives faults ... Most of the time they don't have power to act... Break up d country into smaller units and See how fast people will hurry to develop themselves. 6 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 11:35pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
My guy you try but na insult to ibos be this . How do you want the ibos to tell you they don,t want you and yr one nigeria, how. Your one nigeria killed 3/4 million ibos Ibo people ve a big dream,waka yr own play time is over. long live kanu 5 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 12:18am On Apr 21, 2016 |
[quote author=oweniwe post=44890314] You don't get my argument. Let's assume that Boko Haram is Borno's people's wahala, the first question you should be asking is what has their Governor done?! Has he sat down with the president? How many times does he speak to the Chief of Army staff? What has he brought to the table? Has he sought NGOs' support? My argument is that if you want to blame anyone, blame the closest rep to you! We are educated, if at all anyone should under stand representative government. It is you and I. I know that it starts from the closest person to me and not the president. Try looking beyond what you have been made to believe, if you cannot ask your Councillor, LG and SG to deliver, I am sorry I can't trust you with regionalism because you have had it all long. Let's make use of it. Now look it from infrastructure development angle... If hausa man from katsina is president and a federal expressway is bad in calabar/enugu. As a katsina man, d bad road in calabar/enugu does not concern him.... Abi is it katsina people that use/spoil the road in calabar/enugu? I am not going to address this argument because it is not an argument. It arises as a result of sufferhead. . You still do not understand me and you haven't answer my question. What has your Governor done for you? If all citizens could be responsible for once! What have they done to ensure that they have enough electricity? What is stopping my Governor or yours from delivering electricity? When we recorded 0mw, I didn't see anyone screaming at his/her representative to rectify the situation. I don't see citizens pressurising their Governor not to share their power plants with the rest of the nation. All I see are excuses not action. If I became Oyo state Governor today, trust me not to give a damn about other states. Trust me to be selfish! Trust me not give to lame excuses. If Oyo state problem is electricity and the FG is not forthcoming. I would be a fo.ol not to act FOR THEM! Look at Aba market, what has the SG done to provide them 24hrs electricity? Even if it is constructing a small power plant, what has he done?! Osun state has lots of stuffs to mine. In the absence of corruption and other alternatives to generate enough IGR after pursuing all other options, what should stop them from mining? @Akpabio, What about other infrastructures? Was he also frustrated by Federal laws? ***Not to sound cliche, I am a rebel. 2 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by CHIJIOKE1314: 12:24am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Umu Nne m, I don't see the reason for all this defence.. People that it's obvious that there utterances and actions are motivated by hatred.. There is no amount of evidence or facts you splattered at their faces that would ever, I mean, ever make them accept their wickedness.. The best thing to do is ignore the edi0ts and concentrate on those things that unites Umu Afo and continuation of our struggles to liberate ourselves from this contraption. . We must continue projecting this shyttyy hole country to everyone that care to see as exactly what it is.. Buhari and Buratai killed people and wants to hide the evidence, then it's our responsibility to dig it out and splash it to their faces and to the faces of the whole world.. They kill IPOB, we do the same.. Their BokoHaram acts we do the same.. Their HerdsIdi0ts, we do the same.. We must take it upon ourselves to always splash their wickedness to their faces without compromising for whatever reason and relentlessly too.. Gaddamn Country.. To hell with Nigeria God bless Somalia and damn Nigeria.. 4 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by kingzizzy: 5:36am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Even if there had been no violence from Northerners, it would have still been the God given right of any group(s) of people who make up Nigeria to leave the union. There was no violence in Britain but Scotland demanded to leave. Nigeria is the illegal and artficial creation of the White man and any group of people can choose to return to how they were before Lugard came to force everyone to become Nigerian. 4 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by xelly: 5:49am On Apr 21, 2016 |
SaintHephzibah: I like the use of " In as much as" to cover sins of certain group and your boldness to tell IPOB how they will regret their action. It sound so hypothetical to me that you can cover up such atrocities with "In as much as" well, we have decided, whatever becomes of it is for us to bear. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Pennsylvania: 6:03am On Apr 21, 2016 |
daretodiffer: Councillor you say..... I know of many Councillor's that don't even stay in the ward they're in charge of, they only come once in a long while and suddenly become frequent when is time for re election. For example: A Councillor of a particular ward in Surulere will be living at Festac....how do you expect him to carry out his duties when he doesn't even stay in his locality? You can't try this in saner countries cos that will be the end of your political career...but in Nigeria people don't see it that way, they even celebrate them when they come around. Nigeria's political style is totally broken; from the top (President) down to the Councillor level, it needs restructuring. 1 Like |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 7:59am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Pennsylvania: If we can't put our councillors on leash, we shouldn't be trusted with federalism. I think what we need is to educate and promote political responsibility. It is when we recognise and explore this option, can we confidently believe that regionalism is the way out. Till then, I remain anti-regionalism.  |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 8:26am On Apr 21, 2016 |
daretodiffer: Do you know how boko haram started? Local Politicians used them to win elections and later turned and tried to disband them... Boko haram was not created by the FG so rightly the FG was not concerned until they started bombing people .... In saner climes the governor should have resigned but what did shettima do? He joined the opposition party and frustrated the FG's efforts to quell the insurgency... When Goodluck First sent soldiers to borno, northern soldiers and d soldiers killed insurgents, you know what borno/northern elders did... They cried out that Jonathan was using army to kill their youths... The people said they don't want soldiers ... Even Buhari used the issue to campaign against GEJ ... Now viz Nigeria ' s system ... Do u think it is right to use federal revenue to fight a problem created by local politicians? The money that was supposed to be used to build infrastructure for oyo, edo, taraba, enugu etc were used by the FG to buy military hardware to fight boko... If you are oyo governor and the FG used part of your allocation to fight boko, you will surely protest ... The governors protested against Jonathan for withdrawing from d Excess crude acc to buy arms to fight boko... If you were the president, you are trying to clean up a big mess created by other people yet the same people are frustrating your efforts to clean d mess .. you will ask yourself ... "What is d matter with these people??" You talked about Bornu governor contacting cheif of army staff... Things don't work like that... The President controls the army and the police.... Without the president' s approval, the army cannot do anything ... Now consider this scenario where the governor was Fighting the president... President deployed soldiers to fight boko... The people said they don't want army and even gave info to boko about army movements, and the governor called for withdrawal of soldiers in favor of amnesty and later scuttled the armesty process ... If you are d chief of army the governor calls you, will you pick his call? ... You say call NGO... NGO?? What can NGOs do about govt matters? Tinubu tried to build ENRON power power plant for lagos alone but later gave up because he would have to send d power to d national grid first... You can't call d bluff off the national grid cos without it you can't transmit power... Without unbundling the grid, you cannot generate power for oyo alone...Except you want to build a localized city with its own transmission systems, there is no way you can bypass the national grid... Akpabio... The projects he did did not clash with the FG... Also he had good relationship with Jonathan so Jonathan helped him... Without Jonathan' s support, akpabio wouldn't do wat he did with akwa ibom... Look at Amaechi, he quarrelled with the FG and used his state's funds to sponsor APC... What did Amaechi achieve at the end of the day? Nothing ... In summary, Nigeria is too diverse to work together as one because there are so many conflicting interest within it... And these interests work against themselves... Even if everywhere has good representatives, Nigeria will still not work because what is happening in borno does not concern oyo man... It is wrong to make everybody suffer or bear stigma for problems created by other people... It is wrong to use revenue and resources produced by ND to fight boko because ND doesn't concern boko and boko doesn't concern ND.... It is wrong to generate power in oyo and carry the power to enugu or jalingo while oyo people are in darkness To some people, the present system is good, but to others, the system is bad... Monopoly of lagos port is good for lagos but bad for ND/South East and they cannot build their own ports because the law prohibit them from doing so... 13% derivation is good for Niger Delta but bad for the north... Even if you have good representatives... HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THESE CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND MAKE THEM WORK IN HARMONY? .... So the best thing is either practice confederation/regionalism or break up Nigeria... Let people develop the way they want instead of trying to develop everywhere at the same time ... Let people eat from three or four bowls instead of everybody eating from one bowl... Nigeria in reality, is a semi-unitary state... Not federal state. .. in true federalism, the states take care of themselves but in Nigeria, no state can survive without federal allocation ... Nigeria ' s federal system is a ruse, 419, wayo, big fraud ... It will never work the way it is 5 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by orisa37: 10:39am On Apr 21, 2016 |
The answer is No. |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 11:30am On Apr 21, 2016 |
oweniwe: Boko haram started because you and I are not political responsible citizens. It starte d because those people were stvpid. The grivances of an avergae Bokko Haram meber is the same as a ND militant. The mor.ons did not harness their political power. They did dnot demand accountability from those closest to them. they have representatives, they should take their blames to them. What we have is a country where citizens are so stvpid that they blame Fg for everything. They lack the political will to pressurise the representatives closest to them GEJ issue is a big one. He is no leader. I can't confirm whether or not Northern leaders asked him to stop killing Northerners. I don't see him granting an interview on BBC Hausa and other media to refute the claims however I know that he said they cannot attack them because they are his people. I didn't see him setting up a public discourse on how best to tackle Boko Haram members. However i know of how his agents embezzled our money. i know of how he took ages to compensate them before these people decided to continue their madness. I know of how he took forever to start an onslaught. HE IS A FAILURE. A leader that cannot harness the available resources to tilt public opinion in his direction is no leader. That aside, you cannot make excuses on tribal grounds. If Borno indigenes cannot force their Governor to do his job, if they cannot pressurise him to sit tight with the FG......then they have no excuse. You keep bringing up ND resources, biko...what has ND representatives done for their people since all these years. They should start looking for who to blame because I am not going to take any madness from anyone. In summary, my point is we are our own problem. If people still continue to let Amaechi walk around, if people can support Saraki, if people can claim that Wike is the best thing since slice bread, if Alao Akala can still contest in Oyo.......if the indigenes of the state can still allow them to represent them...then you need to start looking at your people. They are simply politically irresponsible, regionalism will never fix that. It will merely give more resources to the same set of people to further control the masses. If Nigerians are so stvpid that they cannot demand accountability from those close to them, I do not intend to trust them with regionalism. I saw a picture of corpers laughing with Wike after election I remember telling someone that those CORPERS WERE BETTER OFF DEAD. They should have died during the election. Those corpers are perfect example of why we are here today! They are example of why we cannot progress as a nation. I am sorry but I strongly believe that Regionalism is a very bad idea. We do not need it because we already have it!if the states feel like they are restricted, let them ask for more power. However the Nigerian case is different, they haven't done anything with their powers so far. Let us deal with our reps first, lets make Councillors, FG, State Honourables, Federal Honourables, Senators and Governor accountable!!! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 1:02pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
daretodiffer: The present representatives were not impoted from jupiter... They are from within the people... Like you ... One day you could b an elected representative. .. you will be thinking. .. when I get into government, I will do this, I will do that... But when you enter government, everything about you will change... You will see people eating billions... What they do with their billions does not concern u coz it is their money and you cannot complain... Saraki brought 109 new SUVs at double price.. even though buhari and Nigerians at large dont like it, we simply cannot prevent saraki from spending senate money anyhow he wishes... And you cannot remove, recall or jail saraki because he has IMMUNITY and immunity is part of the constitution. So here is Where your opinion is faulty... In Nigeria, citizens cannot hold their representatives responsible for anything because the constitution shield them from being accountable... And d citizens cannot arrest and prosecute a sitting representative until he or she has left office. So if a governor /president/Senator likes, he should eat all the state's allocation alone... There is nothing the people can do to remove him... Look at Abacha/Babangida... They looted the country dry... People protested and protested... Abacha/IBB were unmoved because they have IMMUNITY ... So the problem is not with the representative... But with law/constitution... If you become a representative, that law will most likely corrupt you... If people protest against you, that is their wahala because they cannot remove you until your tenure expire. Now... Culturally ... Hausa, fulani, yoruba, bini and other ethnic groups that practice absolute monarchy ... They cannot criticise their leaders because it is against their culture to "abuse elders "... Fayose was criticising Buhari... Yoruba elders came out and said Fayose should shut up because it is against yoruba culture to criticise leaders/elders... If they can tell a whole governor to shut up... What will they tell ordinary people that criticize them? .. "go and die...!!..".. so if a leader is corrupt or bad in yoruba/hausa side, it will require a higher power to remove the bad leader... Citizens are powerless... They cannot criticize ot complain. It is only the Igbo that don't practice monarchy that have the courage to call the bluff off their leaders... If a representative is bad, a town hall meeting or demonstration is all required to remove him.. Most unfortunately, Nigeria' s constitution, federal written and unwritten laws are moulded after the hausa/fulani/yoruba/bini absolute monarchy system ... Nigeria ' s democracy is actually tenure based Executive absolute Monarchy system . So if a representative becomes corrupt... The law protects him from being removed until d end of his tenure... If he like, let him embezzel all his state's allocation and revenues ... Let him grab as many lands as he like... You cannot do anything to him until he has left office... He cannot be held responsible for anything because he uses the law to support his actions... No demonstration or complaint can remove him and you cannot take him to court because he is immune to the courts and so he like he can disregard any court order... It is after his tenure of 4-8 years have elapsed ... After all the damage has been done.. that is only when he can be arrested and charged to court According to Nigeria' s law, a suspect is innocent until proven guilty ... Instead of preventing crime, this law actually promotes crime... If I steal money and destroy the evidence and hire intimidating lawyers... Nobody can convict me... That is Saraki for you Holding representatives responsible is not possible because the Nigerian constitution/laws gives them immunity from all that... So the problem is not with the people or their representatives... But with the constitution/law What igbo/biafra agitators are saying is... Change the constitution ... Change these laws... Restructure Nigeria ... If you cannot change those laws... Then break up the country... The political class, Northern folks and half of western folks don't want the laws amended or changed... Many constitutional conferences have been held but these people voted against changing the constitution ... So what should those who want the constitution amended do? They should protest? Courts ordered Kanu ' s release FG disobeyed... People protested and some were killed ... And you're talking about holding representatives responsible ... Ipob should hold hold buhari responsible for disobeying court orders and killing unarmed protesters abi? That is not practical and will not solve any problem ... Now... Because some people are okay with Nigeria the way it is... Does who want to change Nigeria' s laws or break up should sit down and enduring a system /laws that are detrimental to them? Because you don't like regionalism... Does it mean people who want regionalism should go to hell? If your answer is YES ... If you ever become a representative in Nigeria ... You're going to be a dictator. Those who want Nigeria ... Let them have Nigeria .... Those who don't want Nigeria ... Let them go... Simple as ABC... How they are going to govern themselves after leaving Nigeria is their headache 4 Likes |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Nobody: 2:23pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
oweniwe: You do not understand. How did you think most developed nations got here? If you think Accountability means resignation etc, I can see why I Regionalism is such a very bad idea.. The issue here is why is the government under-performing? You cannot continue to tell me that it is because they some regions have to share this or that with other regions. The answer simply is the citizens are not politically responsible. They do not demand. they are complacent. They are weak! No amount of money on earth will change that. If you give Scotland to NDtans with oil and other resources, they will destroy it until they learn to demand and act. Pressure and Accountability is beyond asking for resignation and jailing them. It is about asking questions, withdrawing support, speaking with one voice and acting collectively. Look at the Rivers scenario, what stopped Corpers from acting together to ensure adequate compensation for the dead Corpers? Aregbesola took out loans without a second thought despite the fact that there are two prominent institutions in that state, despite the fact that there are students in that state, despite the fact that there are educated people in that state. I didn't see any collective action from any institution or group. There was no platform to challenge and proffer alternatives. There was absolutely nothing! he might have good intentions but if Aregbe had all the resources in this world, he would still fail. Election was last year, both parties were making promises left, right and center, I saw mor.ons making mockery...I didn't see NASS or other bodies coming together to ask pertinent questions. This might sound somehow but you need to know that I have seen this thing happen, I live in a country where students come together on issues that affect their lives. I see them taking proactive measures even within the University itself. I see them asking their reps important questions. I see them demanding an answer. If Buhari/campaign team knew that people would ask questions and the answer would affect his chances of winning, he would be more careful with stvpid promises. If he knew that people will and can bring the country to a standstill, he would be more careful with this actions. If these politicians knew that those who give out money during election will be beaten into pulp and their money collected, they would be more careful. If Fayose knew that he would be stoned for handing out rice and N200, he wouldn't do it. Do you remember that Amaechi said that politicians steal because no one stones them for it, are you going to tell him that he is wrong that what Rivers need is regionalism. Stoning would require a collective effort. Accountability is so much more than demanding for resignation or using any stvpid law! To your question on regionalism...yes I will ask them to go to hell. If that makes me a dictator, so be it! Let Biafrans ask their leaders what they have done with their money. PS..Abacha and IBB are military leaders. The way the ran the country is no different from other military leaders. This should not be an issue or tribal thing. It is not unusual. We have laws in Nigeria. The problem is enforceability. Let them start with their states and stop complaining and if they want a law to be introduces, they should consult with their reps and be a proper pressure group! |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by Ugwuoke347(m): 3:11pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
brize: Tell them. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by oweniwe(m): 6:47pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
daretodiffer: No 1: is not possible in Nigeria because of tribalism.... In other places where they have just 2 or 3 races/ethnic groups in a country it is easier to speak as one... But with Nigeria ... Everything boils down to tribalism... During council/ward elections... Villagers are not one... Bickering over which section of the village will produce d councillor usually crop up... If a councillor gets "elected " and he is not performing... The councillor' s clan/quarter will not support other village quarters to remove "their son ". At the local government level, it is same thing. At State level... Let me use Delta as example ... Delta has over 8 ethnic groups within it... Urhobo, Aniocha, Ijaw, Isoko, Ukwuani, Ika, Itsekiri, Ilaje .... If the governor has urhobo father and itsekiri mother and his wife is from isoko... If the governor is corrupt ... Urhobo, itsekiri and isoko people will not allow "their son" to be removed. So when it comes to politics/money matters in Nigeria ... Everything boils down to ethnicity .... They only speak with one voice if the representative is "stingy "... 2. It is not as if citizens are not asking or they are not complaining... I have told you earlier that complaints, protests and demonstrations amount to nothing in Nigeria because the law shields elected representatives... So if people protest, riot and demonstrate, it doesn't have any effect on a sitting political executive.... So it is somehow ... Useless to protest in Nigeria ... People have been protesting against fulani herdsmen... What has Buhari done about it? Nothing 3. Madam, you're speaking from both sides of the mouth... How can common people stone a political office holder with mopol around him? Prime Ministers in other countries resigned over panama papers but in Nigeria, has anybody resigned? If people resort to stonning corrupt representatives, you will say they're barbaric... They are primitive ... Etc... What you are advocating ... Here... It is called "to gang up against somebody ".. all the person you want to remove has to do is to form a rival support group ... That's all 4. It is like you have not served in or don't live in Nigeria ... That is why you say corpers should speak with "one voice "... Oh dear... You're so funny... Corpers are posted to different states, LGAs and PPAs... What happened to Rivers corpers does not concern a Sokoto or Enugu corper in any way... Same thing with corpers posted to different LGAs. 5. What is the meaning of this nau? .. if you don't change /amend the constitution of Nigeria ... To remove, stone, protest or sue an elected representative is not possible in Nigeria .. ... All these things you are talking about... Holding representatives responsible et al... With immunity clause in the Nigerian constitution, it is not possible ... You will have to change the law/amend the constitution first... And just like some people don't want the constitution changed ... You are against changing the constitution too... You want common people to hold their representatives responsible but you don't want Nigeria' s constitution to be altered to give the people /states/ regions more power... How will this work? ... How can you make omelette without breaking the egg? 6. So because Abacha/IBB are military rulers gives them liberty to rule anyhow? Because they are military rulers gives them justification to loot the the treasury, arrest and detain people anyhow they wish? A democratically elected representative will use the same excuse to prevent people from holding him responsible ... The law says he is innocent until proven guilty... And since common folks cannot lay hands on evidences to prove him guilty.. he will go scot free. So... Nigeria, the way it is, can never work... The earlier you admit and accept it, the better for you. All we are saying is... Restructure Nigeria ... If you don't want Nigeria restructured... Then break up the goddam country ...!!.. |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by PRXPERT: 7:52am On Apr 22, 2016 |
oweniwe:epic!!!! you have said everything! 1 Like |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by HiddenShadow: 8:01am On Apr 22, 2016 |
fulanmafia: Is One Nigeria by force.? If you can't beg the Igbos and give them a sense of belonging, all these your grammars will yield nothing 1 Like |
| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by fulanmafia: 9:44am On Apr 22, 2016 |
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| Re: Does The Current Violence From The Northerners Justify Namdi Kanu's Actions? by justice2016: 10:45am On Apr 22, 2016 |
Make no mistake Nigeria is not a country . Nnandi is 100% right . You cannot co exist with moslems peacefully . check the atrocities Islam is committing all over the world . Is better we divide and live peacefully as Neighbours . This senseless killing will not stop as long as we live together . Nigeria is not one and can never be one . Igbos embraced one Nigeria in totality more than any nationality by living with other nationalities and assimilating their culture but yet they re hated and killed then the question is what do want from igbos ? Is better they go their separate way simple . 2 Likes |
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