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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by Nobody: 10:00am On Apr 21, 2016
caphone:
Let them go abeg, its high time we start to operate our airline cuz so called forieng airline will be milking nd treating our people at exhorbitant rates and now cuz we want to revvamp nd develop they think they can threathen us, ffuvk em make dem no come baq sef

Please which of 'our airline' are we going to start operating? Nigeria airways? grin In what century will that be a thing.

Obasanjo had the right idea when he formed a public/private partnership to form virgin nigeria. We couldnt even maintain our end of that bargain and virgin abandoned nigeria.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by musicwriter(m): 10:07am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:



Does this government strike you as one with mindset of diversifying it encouraging local production. They say one thing and do another, the flood gates will soon be open for Chinese goods to come in and don't forget the arbitrage that will begin to take place with currency change or swap whatever the foreign affairs minister meant. People will convert their money's to yuan at (30 something naira to the yuan, 199 naira to the dollar) take it abroad to convert to dollars and bring it back here to sell at 320.

Farmers are being discouraged everyday with the fulani herdsmen menace. Uhmmmm even stops to think, where are we diversifying towards.

Nigeria already gets about 75% of it's imports from China. So, our market is already naturally opened to China. There'll be little or no ''dumping ground'' effect resulting from our bilateral agreement with China as the whole of Africa is already a dumping ground of the world, not just for China!!.

We'll diversify to gold export, bitumen export, groundnut export, cocoa export, coal export, gas, e.t.c, e.t.c.

Admittedly, corruption is the only reason the Yuan would end up as dollar and be brought back to re-sell in black market in Nigeria. That remains to be seen.
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by Nobody: 10:09am On Apr 21, 2016
JustCalMeDBoss:
No country survives by isolating itself it only means if other countries follows suite pls like dangote, gtb, glo profit would be trapped I. Other countries also. Nigerians are in for a tough time than ever.

Thank you.

Isolationist policies are a problem.

I understand that we have an unprecedented forex shortage and the government is trying its best to manage the currency so dt theres no freefall disaster, im just wondering at what other costs will it be to the economy when pple start closing shop and unemployment rises.

We put ourselves in this hole, because we only have one source of forex supply and are so dollar hungry because we import everything. Its a complicated situation no doubt, im just not confident buharis finance team has come up with the absolute best solution for the economy.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:14am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


Exactly what I stated that our airline be given preferences. It's same with every country you visit, whether Heathrow, Charles De gaulle, Frankfurt, schiphol, JFK, malpensa everywhere.

Mediocrity fears competition, the very reason we will want to push out every airline even before we plan to site ours.

Saying only IBERIA has left, i would say something, someone has to make the first move, Venezuela is on screen for us to see. You need to understand that others have been preparing to leave as well, some are Having to make difficult decisions, like using smaller aircrafts, downsizing plus issues with their operations and having to deal with not being able to repatriate their profits back home.

My God we have a Maduro on our hands, I have been saying this here for months.
Not sure why you choose to direct a rant about mediocrity at ME
Is there a strategy to push out airlines? What are you on about? The reality is we have an economic crisis and we do not have the dollars to give them. That is the starting point so they can either weather the storm or leave and return when things improve.
Given the limited foreign reserves( not enough for 6 months imports) do you have any constructive suggestions about where to get dollars rather than indulge in unjustified ranting. What is a "Maduro" What should Maduro have done that he did not do. The Venezuelan economy has long term problems based on a failure to diversify and dependence on imports. No one can solve that in 2 or 3 years so spare me the tantrums and offer concrete suggestions that we can debate
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 10:17am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
Not sure why you choose to direct a rant about mediocrity at ME
Is there a strategy to push out airlines? What are you on about? The reality is we have an economic crisis and we do not have the dollars to give them. That is the starting point so they can either whether the storm or leave and return when things improve.
Given the limited foreign reserves( not enough for 6 months imports) do you have any constructive suggestions about where to get dollars rather than indulge in unjustified ranting. What is a "Maduro" What should Maduro have done that he did not do. The Venezuelan economy has long term problems based on a failure to diversify and dependence on imports. No one can solve that in 2 or 3 years so spare me the tantrums and offer concrete suggestions that we can debate

Sorry about your thoughts. Talking about mediocrity it was never directed at you. Sorry if it came across that way . Thing is the policies are stifling many businesses. The government has been advised on what to do, but they have chose to remain headstrong that's the thing. They are towing Maduro's line step by step, and we shouldn't expect to do the same thing and expect a different result.
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by blackboy2star(m): 10:23am On Apr 21, 2016
Very true got their mail yesterday about my flight cancellation.... Naija sinking already

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:25am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


Sorry about your thoughts. Talking about mediocrity it was never directed at you. Sorry if it came across that way . Thing is the policies are stifling many businesses. The government has been advised on what to do, but they have chose to remain headstrong that's the thing. They are towing Maduro's line step by step, and we shouldn't expect to do the same thing and expect a different result.
What is "maduro's Line" That is not an argument that is just Lazy pseudo intellectualism
What is Maduro not doing that you suggest he do I ask once again. What is he doing that he should stop.Rather than spout dogmatic heuristics have you got any suggested alternatives
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 10:27am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
What is "maduro's Line" That is not an argument that is just Lazy pseudo intellectualism
What is Maduro not doing that you suggest he do I ask once again. What is he doing that he should stop.Rather than spout dogmatic heuristics have you got any suggested alternatives

If you feel Maduro is doing very well with Venezuela then it's a pity, or that the currency control in place in Nigeria is equally good. Then I really would not have much to say then.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:33am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


If you feel Maduro is doing very well with Venezuela then it's a pity, or that the currency control in place in Nigeria is equally good. Then I really would not have much to say then.
Is that an answer?
I do not know whether he is doing well or not. YOU do you are the expert so answer the question.What should he do.What should he stop doing. It is easy to sit in front of a computer and throw tantrums.The real world is very different.

If the currency control in Nigeria is wrong can you proffer an alternative. What do you mean by "GOOD" is it now about good and bad. Please offer concrete alternatives and some ranting
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by Oliviaxx(f): 10:36am On Apr 21, 2016
6digitscomrade:
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Well actually I didnt know that. My own 'life is a race' comes from the movie '3 idiots'

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by iykeany: 10:38am On Apr 21, 2016
ifenes:
Change is not easy. It goes through a painful process. If you want change,be ready to suffer a bit. Nigeria is undergoing the right process and at some point,her citizens will realize it.

If things were that bad after 16yrs of PDP's reign as APC made us believe and are still saying by blaming the PDP for the rot, do we still have to go through a painful process like you want us to realize?

Nigerians are the pawn that must be sacrificed to achieve what in particular?
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 10:41am On Apr 21, 2016
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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by 6digitscomrade: 10:43am On Apr 21, 2016
thanks and am informed too gotta see the movie..ma'am olivia..in btw diz life is actually race..we will all get there..have a pleasant day ahead!
Oliviaxx:


Well actually I didnt know that. My own 'life is a race' comes from the movie '3 idiots'
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 10:44am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
Is that an answer?
I do not know whether he is doing well or not. YOU do you are the expert so answer the question.What should he do.What should he stop doing. It is easy to sit in front of a computer and throw tantrums.The real world is very different.

If the currency control in Nigeria is wrong can you proffer an alternative. What do you mean by "GOOD" is it now about good and bad. Please offer concrete alternatives and some ranting

First of all calling me an expert would be a hype the real experts (IMF) plus other finance guys have long ago advised this government in all they need to do to manage this situation but then our Petroleum/Finance/Foreign Affairs minister cum CBN governor has deliberately decided to go on with personal sentiments rather than expert opinion. What is the need of making suggestions that will not be implemented. This government already had all it takes to succeed unfortunately stubbornness may make them drag us all like a fly that follows the corpse into the ground. A lot of mistakes have been made already with the needless delays, cluelessness, confusionist policies and intransigence of this government.
My teachers said a stitch in time saves 9 but they acted otherwise.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:48am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


First of all calling me an expert would be a hype the real experts (IMF) plus other finance guys have long ago advised this government in all they need to do to manage this situation but then our Petroleum/Finance/Foreign Affairs minister cum CBN governor has deliberately decided to go on with personal sentiments rather than expert opinion. What is the need of making suggestions that will not be implemented. This government already has sall it takes to succeed unfortunately stubbornness may make us follow the corpse into the ground. A lot of mistakes have been made already with the delays and head stringers of thesis government
IMF Real experts?
Don't be ridiculous. What is this advice exactly ? can you articulate it or you do not know?
IMF has been advising Nigeria since 1984 when dollar was 1:1 .

Maybe we need new advisers

The truth is you have nothing to offer just empty grandstanding.

We have not got the dollars to give Iberia and that is just too bad. If they cannot make a profit buying at parallel market rates then it is rational for them to quit.That is in their best interest.WE TOO must act in our best interest. The supply of dollars is limited so there must be priorities and in such a situation there will be some LOSERS. That is unavoidable
Retaining Iberia in Nigeria is not a priority. A sensible individual would ask "How well is Iberia doing as a business generally outside Nigeria?? What you do not know is Iberia and BA are part of the same company IAG so they have clearly decided to remove Iberia and leave BA ,WHY?

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:52am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


First of all calling me an expert would be a hype the real experts (IMF) plus other finance guys have long ago advised this government in all they need to do to manage this situation but then our Petroleum/Finance/Foreign Affairs minister cum CBN governor has deliberately decided to go on with personal sentiments rather than expert opinion. What is the need of making suggestions that will not be implemented. This government already had all it takes to succeed unfortunately stubbornness may make them drag us all like a fly that follows the corpse into the ground. A lot of mistakes have been made already with the needless delays, cluelessness, confusionist policies and intransigence of this government.
My teachers said a stitch in time saves 9 but they acted otherwise.
You made so much noise about Maduro but when called out cannot offer anything meaningful. You are one of those individuals who believe CNN is the word of God. Once again what is the MADURO LINE you mentioned and what is he doing wrong?
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by onatisi(m): 10:55am On Apr 21, 2016
grin

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by MrGerald(m): 10:58am On Apr 21, 2016
tobimillar:
Make them go, another airline will come
if advanced economies and developed nations started with this mentality, we won't be here praising them today for their achievement.
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by Adagba01: 11:06am On Apr 21, 2016
Did I hear FIVE HUNDRED MILLION dollars waiting to be taken away by Iberia? If not by the government of PDP, nowhere in the world, international business is transacted like. Our forex reserve depletion must stop. Any foreign firm whose nation cannot trade with Nigeria to ballance their payment systems can go, we will surely do it by ourselves.
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by grandstar(m): 11:08am On Apr 21, 2016
jayriginal:


Did you really say this?

My goodness!

In reality what you are seeing is the effect of 16 years of PDP misrule and devastation. We had years of plenty and we didn't prepare. How do you expect us to fare in the years of famine?

Nigerians want short term solutions and that is what got us in this sad situation. That is why our politicians are able to hoodwink us and rob us of our heritage. They dine fat on our wealth and throw crumbs at us because we don't demand for better. We live for today, not for tomorrow.

We need change, but it must start from the mind first. That's the most important change.

You are completely wrong here.

The bucks stops with Buhari

When he assumed power, his first step was to prevent the further depreciation of the currency. This was irresponsible. He thinks devaluation just falls from the sky.

This has led to a massive shortage of forex which is devastating the economy and is what led to the exit of Iberia. It is all his fault there.

What about petrol? Kachickwu advised him to deregulate the price of petrol and kerosene. Buhari refused. If he had, we won't be faced with the petrol scarcity today. Diesel price is deregulated hence, no scarcity.

GEJ tried to deregulate the price of petrol in 2012 but the massive protest against the policy killed it. Buhari who was in a much better position to do so refused.

Buhari's integrity does not overcome is woeful understanding of economics. Worse, he imposing the nonsense on the country. I have written off the economy ever since he introduced the forex restrictions.

Sanusi, Soludo and Utomi have all condemned his policies

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 11:15am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:

IMF Real experts?
Don't be ridiculous. What is this advice exactly ? can you articulate it or you do not know?
IMF has been advising Nigeria since 1984 when dollar was 1:1 .

Maybe we need new advisers

The truth is you have nothing to offer just empty grandstanding.

We have not got the dollars to give Iberia and that is just too bad. If they cannot make a profit buying at parallel market rates then it is rational for them to quit.That is in their best interest.WE TOO must act in our best interest. The supply of dollars is limited so there must be priorities and in such a situation there will be some LOSERS. That is unavoidable
Retaining Iberia in Nigeria is not a priority. A sensible individual would ask "How well is Iberia doing as a business generally outside Nigeria?? What you do not know is Iberia and BA are part of the same company IAG so they have clearly decided to remove Iberia and leave BA ,WHY?


Anyways keep living in dreamland why the rug is pulled off under our feet. I don't have to tell you about IMF's recommendations and your reference to 1984 have you bothered to find out why it didn't work or like every other African you are displaying paranoia at every thing west.

SAP failed because of the corruption orchestrated by IBB and so, who weren't exactly interested in any structural adjustments and saw it all as opportunity to enrich themselves. Without implementing recommendations to the latter. More than 34 countries went through the process then only Ghana is referred to as having followed through. The outcome, by the 1990's until recently everyone commends Ghana and Ghanaian institutions.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by signz: 11:21am On Apr 21, 2016
onatisi:

grin grin

Chim shocked shocked shocked

Nairalanders we have a TB Joshua in our midst. But of course a prophet is without honour in his land.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by SucreB: 11:30am On Apr 21, 2016
ifenes:
Change is not easy. It goes through a painful process. If you want change,be ready to suffer a bit. Nigeria is undergoing the right process and at some point,her citizens will realize it.
proposing change without solution is stupidity!!!! get it straight into your head!
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by onatisi(m): 11:33am On Apr 21, 2016
signz:


Chim shocked shocked shocked

Nairalanders we have a TB Joshua in our midst. But of course a prophet is without honour in his land.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by onatisi(m): 11:40am On Apr 21, 2016
grandstar:


You are completely wrong here.

The bucks stops with Buhari

When he assumed power, his first step was to prevent the further depreciation of the currency. This was irresponsible. He thinks devaluation just falls from the sky.

This has led to a massive shortage of forex which is devastating the economy and is what led to the exit of Iberia. It is all his fault there.

What about petrol? Kachickwu advised him to deregulate the price of petrol and kerosene. Buhari refused. If he had, we won't be faced with the petrol scarcity today. Diesel price is deregulated hence, no scarcity.

GEJ tried to deregulate the price of petrol in 2012 but the massive protest against the policy killed it. Buhari who was in a much better position to do so refused.

Buhari's integrity does not overcome is woeful understanding of economics. Worse, he imposing the nonsense on the country. I have written off the economy ever since he introduced the forex restrictions.

Sanusi, Soludo and Utomi have all condemned his policies
Thank god,there is another person that understands buhari mentality and thinking..i said It earlier that buhari wont listen to his ministers or advisers and that will cause problems for the nation. We have a president who believes he knows everything and he is the only one that can do everything whereas he actually knows very very little

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 11:41am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:



Anyways keep living in dreamland why the rug is pulled off under our feet. I don't have to tell you about IMF's recommendations and your reference to 1984 have you bothered to find out why it didn't work or like every other African you are displaying paranoia at every thing west.

SAP failed because of the corruption orchestrated by IBB and so, who weren't exactly interested in any structural adjustments and saw it all as opportunity to enrich themselves. Without implementing recommendations to the latter. More than 34 countries went through the process then only Ghana is referred to as having followed through. The outcome, by the 1990's until recently everyone commends Ghana and Ghanaian institutions.
Stop changing the subject. What is the Maduro Line. What should he do differently.What should we do differently? Those are the questions I asked. Where do we get the dollars to give Iberia? Those questions need answers.

It is easy to criticize. What are your suggestions. On this particular Iberia issue.What could have been done differently?
The IMF advice is to devalue .The currency is already devalued at the parallel market so Iberia could easily buy there. How are the scenarios different? All they need to do is to increase prices and see if the market would tolerate it. Ultimately it comes down to whether currently Nigerians can afford their services now

You talked about Maduro but cannot come up with anything meaningful when called out
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 11:45am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
Stop changing the subject. What is the Maduro Line. What should he do differently.What should we do differently? Those are the questions I asked. Where do we get the dollars to give Iberia? Those questions need answers.

It is easy to criticize. What are your suggestions. On this particular Iberia issue.What could have been done differently?

You keep sticking to the same spot, If you read my previous posts you will see that I have been arguing on the part of the numerous experts advice this government has been receiving sinxe they got in. I really hope you it see now.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 11:48am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


You keep sticking to the same spot, If you read my previous posts you will see that I have been arguing on the part of the numerous experts advice this government has been receiving sinxe they got in. I really hope you it see now.
What exactly should government do. What could they have done differently that would have kept Iberia here

Answer the question about Maduro please
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by blackprowler: 11:48am On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


This "change" is an invitation to anarchy, but some of these kids will come here talking nonsense in defense of their god.
the great philosopher, Alfred North Whitehead had rightly said that"the art of progress is preserving order amidst change and change amidst order" from this it is evident that we are changing without making progress.

A good look all around us and you see anarchy brewing, police kidnapping citizens for ransom , robbery, cultism, vandalism, insecurities, brazen insensitivity displayed from the presidency downwards etc

We really need to redefine our democracy in my own opinion, giving weights to certain people, how can a learned professor of economics and a local agbero be entitled to one vote each.

Damn.

With respect to your last paragraph, what Nigerians don't yet understand is that democracy isn't a political system to get the best person out, but a system to get the person that the majority of society agrees with. A professor may not be on the same intellectual level as the agbero, but the agbero better reflects the reality of how that society is. That is why democracy should thrive on an enlightened citizenry, without which it won't advance a nation. To enlighten the citizenry is the first step, clearly neglected in the Nigerian context. I've done what I could to start it, but Nigerian big men/women probably don't want an enlightened citizenry too - they just want to rule and manipulate people. I'm telling you

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by Nobody: 11:57am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
Stop changing the subject. What is the Maduro Line. What should he do differently.What should we do differently? Those are the questions I asked. Where do we get the dollars to give Iberia? Those questions need answers.

It is easy to criticize. What are your suggestions. On this particular Iberia issue.What could have been done differently?
The IMF advice is to devalue .The currency is already devalued at the parallel market so Iberia could easily buy there. How are the scenarios different? All they need to do is to increase prices and see if the market would tolerate it. Ultimately it comes down to whether currently Nigerians can afford their services now

You talked about Maduro but cannot come up with anything meaningful when called out

Nigerians are allergic to seeking viable alternatives. grin
Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by NavierStokes(m): 11:59am On Apr 21, 2016
omonnakoda:
What exactly should government do. What could they have done differently that would have kept Iberia here

Answer the question about Maduro please

Hehehe at this point I will refuse to speak further if you deliberately feign ignorance about Maduro or the outcry within our economy in terms of approaches or policies to be enacted.

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Re: Forex Policy: Iberia Withdraws Services From Nigeria by omonnakoda: 12:04pm On Apr 21, 2016
NavierStokes:


Hehehe at this point I will refuse to speak further if you deliberately feign ignorance about Maduro or the outcry within our economy in terms of approaches or policies to be enacted.
You are empty

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