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johnw74:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

More showing that the Word is God and not "a god"

2cor 4:4
Among whom the god of the this system of things..

In the above text Satan is refered to as a god,and you think it's inapproriate for Jesus to be?

Col 1 verse 14"by means of whom we have our release by ransom,the forgiveness of our sins.
15"He is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of God's creation.
Here clearly shows that it's Jesus.
First,by his death we were saved.
Secondly,he was made in God's image.
In other words he too was created.

But know this,Jehovah has been referred to countless times as the ancient of days. The one existing even before.....alll days.

Clearly Jehovah and Jesus are two distinctive individuals.

Ken4Christ:
I know the Jehovah witness cannot answer my questions about the body of Jesus. Rather, they are asking baseless questions. There are infallible proofs that Jesus resurrected bodily. Refute those proofs.

The Bible says one thing, the Jehovah witness will says another.

Tell Nairalanders what happened to the body of Jesus since you said he left his body behind. Only fools will believe your wicked lies. You can't even do that to your sons. You claim Jehovah must have dissolved the body of Jesus. Your punishment will be worse in the very hell you don't believe where your founders are already suffering torment. The demons there are waiting for you all unless you repent.

You cannot use the fact that Angels manifestation with bodies and even ate to prove your point that Jesus did not rise with his body. I don't claim to know everything but that which I know and stated very clearly in the Bible, I will say. Even the great Apostle Paul said, we know in part. I do believe Angels have bodies but they are spiritual bodies. If they don't have bodies, they cannot be seen. Only demons spirit don't have bodies. That is why they seek to posses people. The Holy Spirit also and even God himself don't have bodies. Let us not derail the issue on ground.

Jesus himself said, he is not a spirit. Are you saying Jesus doesn't know who he is. You know Jesus better than he knows himself. 'behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Handle me and see, FOR A SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES as you have seen me.' Luke 24:39.

Jesus also said, 'Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it.' John 2:19. The Jews responded, 'Fourth and six years was this temple in building and will thou rear it up in 3 days? The writer John remarked, ' But he spake of the temple of his body ' John 2:21. This verse clearly reveals that Jesus predicted his death and bodily resurrection. And you Jehovah wickedness are telling the world Jesus did not rise bodily.

You know within your conscience that you are lying but pride will not let you change position.

Your governing body claims that they are the only true Prophets of God on earth. So, please interpret Luke 24:39 & John 2:19-21 to us. If you can't, hide yourself in shame or admit you are wrong.

The expression “my spirit” (ru·chiʹ) used by God at Genesis 6:3 may mean “I the Spirit,” even as his use of “my soul” (naph·shiʹ) has the sense of “I the person,” or “my person.” (Isa 1:14; see SOUL [God as Having Soul].) He thereby contrasts his heavenly spiritual position with that of earthly humans.

The Word(Jesus) was a spirit person like his Father, hence “existing in God’s form” (Php 2:5-8. but later “became flesh,” residing among mankind. (Joh 1:1, 14).

Completing his earthly course, he was “put to death in the flesh, but [was] made alive in the SPIRIT” (1Pe 3:18)

Angels are Spirits too but many times in the bible,they've been reported to deliver messages to humans and to do this they have to materialize for the recievers to see,humans cannot see Spirits. Some Angels even took the form of humans to get wives for themselves during the days of Noah and thus made themselves demons.

Sarang:
2cor 4:4
Among whom the god of the this system of things..

In the above text Satan is refered to as a god,and you think it's inapproriate for Jesus to be?

Col 1 verse 14"by means of whom we have our release by ransom,the forgiveness of our sins.
15"He is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of God's creation.
Here clearly shows that it's Jesus.
First,by his death we were saved.
Secondly,he was made in God's image.
In other words he too was created.

But know this,Jehovah has been referred to countless times as the ancient of days. The one existing even before.....alll days.

Clearly Jehovah and Jesus are two distinctive individuals.

evil jw compares Jesus with satan


more Bible verses corrupt jw don't believe:

johnw74:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

More showing that the Word is God and not "a god"

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

dolphinheart:
and you go blank when you read rev 1:1 abi!

the blankness continues when you read verses 4 to 6 too!

Those who want to know the truth read all of it! not only some parts that favour their beliefs.

and after your eyes where opened to this verse, it went blank again when it got to rev 3: 2,12. cuS none of you have found the courage to say who you think is making that speech!

you accuse those who translate kurios as Jehovah, yet you will say nothing against those who translated the name of God as Lord!, see human imperfection at its best.

evil jw who calls the Word "a god" and who calls God and the Word per John 1:1 "a two headed god"

Says this verse is not Jesus speaking but is the Father, phony jw change the Bible all over the place, what a suprise, not.

johnw74:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It is Jesus Christ that is coming with clouds, and John also shows that in saying "and they also which pierced him"

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

It is Jesus Christ giving revelation to John saying "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending",
phony jw does call Jesus "Jehovah"
they translate Lord (kurios) as "Jehovah"

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

goodnews201668:
You are talking as if you don't know him, jman5 calls him phony and someone who was once like him has seen the truth and told him he is even blinder than blind.
He keeps repeating the same things over and over again.
He and his cohorts no longer have time for themselves again all they do is wallow in anger and hate,
Next thing they'll open another thread and start their slanderous message again.
If I see theae unserious fellow I always ignore them, let them wallow in their hate and anger.
He always judge and condemn yet he can't identify with any religious group, who does that?
Again he has refused to tell us the better organization since he knows all, until he do so he will remain insignificant.
Those who are honest no longer takes him serious, they way he lie even make the devil to fear.

However, I talk to you about you, and not to somebody else like a sniveling coward.

Sarang:
Rev 1:1
A revelation given by Jesus christ which God gave him...

It was Jehovah that gave Jesus this revelation and he was acknowledged on verse 8.

ALMIGHTY
The word “Almighty” is translated from the Hebrew word Shad·daiʹ and the Greek word Pan·to·kraʹtor. Both words evidently convey the idea of strength or power.

Jehovah used the title “God Almighty” (ʼEl Shad·daiʹ) when making his promise to Abraham concerning the birth of Isaac, a promise requiring that Abraham have great faith in God’s power to carry out that promise.

In the Christian Greek Scriptures the word Pan·to·kraʹtor occurs ten times, nine of them in the book of Revelation.
The word basically means “Almighty,” or “All Powerful.”

Similarly, throughout Revelation the title Pan·to·kraʹtor is applied to the Creator and King of Eternity, Jehovah.
The title’s application to Jehovah God is made obvious at Revelation 19:6 by the use of the expression Hallelujah (Praise Jah, you people!).

Likewise, the expression “the One who is and who was and who is coming” (Re 1:8; 4:8. clearly points to the God of eternity (Ps 90:2), who not only “was” the Almighty in ancient times but continues to be so and “is coming” as such with an expression of his all-powerfulness

phony jw again and again change the Bible

The Father gave Revelation to Jesus
this was not John acknowledging the Father
in red is Jesus Speaking.

johnw74:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It is Jesus Christ that is coming with clouds, and John also shows that in saying "and they also which pierced him"

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

It is Jesus Christ giving revelation to John saying "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending",
phony jw does call Jesus "Jehovah"
they translate Lord (kurios) as "Jehovah"

Here is Jesus speaking again to John:

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.



Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

johnw74:
evil jw compares Jesus with satan


more Bible verses corrupt jw don't believe:




Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

lol@evil..
human calling others evil.

I only showed you that if Satan can be referred to as a god,Jesus too can.

2 cor 4 verse 4.
jon 1 verse 1.

johnw74:
phony jw again and again change the Bible

The Father gave Revelation to Jesus
this was not John acknowledging the Father
in red is Jesus Speaking.





Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

I really hate people being disrespectful.
Change the bible,where?

Sarang:
I really hate people being disrespectful.
Change the bible,where?

You are blind, even from a few posts ago, you said "I am Alpha and Omega" in rev 1:8 was the Father when it was Jesus.
phony jw lie constantly.

This verse just a few down show again that it is Jesus speaking:

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Sarang:
lol@evil..
human calling others evil.

I only showed you that if Satan can be referred to as a god,Jesus too can.

2 cor 4 verse 4.
jon 1 verse 1.

evil jw compares Jesus to satan.

Sarang:
I really hate people being disrespectful.
Change the bible,where?

Waiting for me to be respectful to satans disciples,
will be waiting til you die.

phony jw know of the corruption, false prophecies etc. of watchtower and the phony jw church

and they know that a corrupt tree can only produce evil

and yet they are happy to remain with satans church


They don't believe many scriptures
they don't believe Jesus here:

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

what is the evil fruit phony jw produce,
they say God is "a god'
they say God and the Word is "a two headed god"
they say verses relating to Jesus are relating to the Father
they say and go to any length to support their satanic doctrines.

they say so much evil, which even I have singled out a little, and made known at this forum.

There are many reputable publications showing that fake jw's are antichrists.

Even their own watchtower and articles condemms itself and evil jw.

goodnews201668:
You are talking as if you don't know him, jman5 calls him phony and someone who was once like him has seen the truth and told him he is even blinder than blind.
He keeps repeating the same things over and over again.
He and his cohorts no longer have time for themselves again all they do is wallow in anger and hate,
Next thing they'll open another thread and start their slanderous message again.
If I see theae unserious fellow I always ignore them, let them wallow in their hate and anger.
He always judge and condemn yet he can't identify with any religious group, who does that?
Again he has refused to tell us the better organization since he knows all, until he do so he will remain insignificant.
Those who are honest no longer takes him serious, they way he lie even make the devil to fear.

phony jw mano and someone else who is also phony jw
only carry weight with fellow jw phonies such as yourself

Christians don't believe phony jw's,

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

goodnews201668:
You are talking as if you don't know him, jman5 calls him phony and someone who was once like him has seen the truth and told him he is even blinder than blind.
He keeps repeating the same things over and over again.
He and his cohorts no longer have time for themselves again all they do is wallow in anger and hate,
Next thing they'll open another thread and start their slanderous message again.
If I see theae unserious fellow I always ignore them, let them wallow in their hate and anger.
He always judge and condemn yet he can't identify with any religious group, who does that?
Again he has refused to tell us the better organization since he knows all, until he do so he will remain insignificant.
Those who are honest no longer takes him serious, they way he lie even make the devil to fear.

I do hate liars, false prophets, Bible corrupters, God blasphemers, calling Him false names, etc. I take after God in hating evil:

Rev_2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

God hated the deeds of the nicolatians.
God also hates the deeds of those who call themselves jehovahs witnesses,
the deeds of false prophecy,
calling God "a god"
calling God and the Word "a two headed god"
lying
changing what the Bible says to suit there satanic doctrines, and on and on and on



2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We know fake jw are false prophets and false teachers who teach damnable heresies and deny the Lord that bought them saying it was "a god" or "an angel" that bought them, they deny the Lord God.
2Peter 2:1 is another Bible verse talking off the evil, phony jw's. as well as others ,describing then to a T
their destruction will be swift:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh
evil jw say "a god" was manifest in the flesh

Sarang:
Oh! I actually respected you cos I thought you are learned.
You don't know that (?) signifies question mark?
or just trying to maneuver my writing?
I was asking you who told you that Jehovah's witnesses believes that Jesus is God.

oops! You surprises me with your lies.
even rocking my name up and down with another misinterpretation and lies..

Bros abeg.
I am a Jw till thy kingdom come.

Thats how they behave, they can twist even what you have shown them in the Bible just to discredit the JWs. They don't know they are doing themselves.
People are already begining see what they are, haters and liers.

johnw74:
I do hate liars, false prophets, Bible corrupters, God blasphemers, calling Him false names, etc. I take after God in hating evil:

Rev_2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

God hated the deeds of the nicolatians.
God also hates the deeds of those who call themselves jehovahs witnesses,
the deeds of false prophecy,
calling God "a god"
calling God and the Word "a two headed god"
lying
changing what the Bible says to suit there satanic doctrines, and on and on and on



2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We know fake jw are false prophets and false teachers who teach damnable heresies and deny the Lord that bought them saying it was "a god" or "an angel" that bought them, they deny the Lord God.
2Peter 2:1 is another Bible verse talking off the evil, phony jw's. as well as others ,describing then to a T
their destruction will be swift:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh
evil jw say "a god" was manifest in the flesh

1 ti 3: 16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh....

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body...

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh....

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh....

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh....

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh.....

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight.....

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh....

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature.....

New American Standard 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh.....

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh......

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh....

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh.....

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form.... And many more!

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)
1. Although the above verse in the NIV does not support the Trinity, there are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
2. In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:
[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos ; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either (a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [ i.e. , to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]
3. When properly translated, 1 Timothy 3:16 actually argues against the Trinity. “By common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory” ( NASB ). This section of Scripture beautifully portrays an overview of Christ’s life and accomplishments. It all fits with what we know of the man , Jesus Christ. If Jesus were God, this section of Scripture would have been the perfect place to say so. We should expect to see some phrases like, “God incarnate,” “God and Man united,” “very God and very man,” etc . But nothing like that occurs. Instead, the section testifies to what non-Trinitarians believe—that Christ was a man, begotten by the Father, and that he was taken up into glory.


> Bibliography > Codex Alexandrinus > 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 in Codex Alexandrinus
Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the photographic facsimile volume published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC " God was manifested in the flesh," employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line. Tregelles writes, "The ink in which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent application" ( An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854). Without these marks, the manuscript originally read ΟC " He who was manifested in the flesh." In the photograph below the ΘC in 3:16 is circled. Further down, in verse 4:3, there is another
ΘC circled for comparison. Click on the circled areas for a larger view.

www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

johnw74, you have not only been lying, you have how joined the league of those who deliberately changed to word of God to achieve their own selfish ends. scholars, science has exposed you!

dolphinheart:
1 ti 3: 16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh....

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body...

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh....

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh....

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh....

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh.....

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight.....

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh....

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature.....

New American Standard 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh.....

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh......

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh....

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh.....

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form.... And many more!

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)
1. Although the above verse in the NIV does not support the Trinity, there are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
2. In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:
[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos ; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either (a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [ i.e. , to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]
3. When properly translated, 1 Timothy 3:16 actually argues against the Trinity. “By common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory” ( NASB ). This section of Scripture beautifully portrays an overview of Christ’s life and accomplishments. It all fits with what we know of the man , Jesus Christ. If Jesus were God, this section of Scripture would have been the perfect place to say so. We should expect to see some phrases like, “God incarnate,” “God and Man united,” “very God and very man,” etc . But nothing like that occurs. Instead, the section testifies to what non-Trinitarians believe—that Christ was a man, begotten by the Father, and that he was taken up into glory.


> Bibliography > Codex Alexandrinus > 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 in Codex Alexandrinus
Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the photographic facsimile volume published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC " God was manifested in the flesh," employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line. Tregelles writes, "The ink in which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent application" ( An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854). Without these marks, the manuscript originally read ΟC " He who was manifested in the flesh." In the photograph below the ΘC in 3:16 is circled. Further down, in verse 4:3, there is another
ΘC circled for comparison. Click on the circled areas for a larger view.

www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

johnw74, you have not only been lying, you have how joined the league of those who deliberately changed to word of God to achieve their own selfish ends. scholars, science has exposed you!

Just wait he will come here probably by midnight and qoute you only to say trash and nonsense or repeat the same things again.
The way he talks I wonder if he's sound mentally.

goodnews201668:
Just wait he will come here probably by midnight and qoute you only to say trash and nonsense or repeat the same things again.
The way he talks I wonder if he's sound mentally.

haha!

Your Quote> I was asking you, who told you that Jehovah Witnesses believes that Jesus is God?
Well no-one told me in person-but It is written in your New World Translation bible. You have describe Jehovah God as Jesus Himself, every eye will see Jehovah God coming in the clouds, Not Jesus. {Unless the writer believes Jehovah is Jesus Himself}
It is Jesus who was, who is, and who is coming, it is Jesus who has the name the Alpha and the Omega. But it shows the scholars had taken Jesus's name out of text and replaced it with Jehovah God. Meaning those scholars who wrote your bible had all agreed that Jehovah God is Jesus or He has the same qualifications as Jesus, or maybe the scholars strongly believe Jehovah God and Jesus are coming down to earth at the same time, Both carrying that same name the Almighty with all their rightful authority.
Your scholars who had written the New World Translation bible, must believe Jesus and Jehovah are one the same.
And yet when I have asked you JW's none of you seem to believe they are one the same. So my question was why is it written in your bible if you don't believe?
This shows me clearly none of you JW's really believe in your bible? And yet you all confess you stand by it. Which contradicts yourselves when this question is asked, firstly you all seem to jump from one verse to another, trying to confuse the Idea. Only because the New World Translation does not line up with the watchtower magazines, they both teach two different doctrines.
And this is how it is written in the New World Translation Jehovah witnesses bible>{Revelation 1:7-8} Which say's look He is coming in the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierce Him. {Verse 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. the one who is, and who was, and who is coming the Almighty.
What's confusing about you JW's is none of you really understand your own bible. Nor do you understand who translated it, I believe it confuses you that much, that you are well trained you have to find ways to avoid these scriptures. Only because it doesn't line up with your watchtower magazines. And you all refuse to believe what your bibles had said? No-wonder you jump from one verse into another, you don't really believe your bibles scholars had even listened to God while rewriting the NWT bibles..

Sarang:
Oh! I actually respected you cos I thought you are learned.
You don't know that (?) signifies question mark?
or just trying to maneuver my writing?
I was asking you who told you that Jehovah's witnesses believes that Jesus is God.

oops! You surprises me with your lies.
even rocking my name up and down with another misinterpretation and lies..

Bros abeg.
I am a Jw till thy kingdom come.

You don't waste so much time for people who have made up their minds to believe their fabricated lies inspite of overwhelming evidences against them.

Up till now, no JW has been able to tell us what happened to the body of Jesus since they say he did not rise up bodily. Let's take them on this issue because this is where our Christian faith is hinged on. They can twist other topics to their own destruction

I am waiting for the answer. What happened to the body of Jesus?

dolphinheart:
1 ti 3: 16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh....

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body...

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh....

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh....

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh....

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh.....

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight.....

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh....

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature.....

New American Standard 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh.....

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh......

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh....

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh.....

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form.... And many more!

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)
1. Although the above verse in the NIV does not support the Trinity, there are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
2. In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:
[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos ; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either (a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [ i.e. , to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]
3. When properly translated, 1 Timothy 3:16 actually argues against the Trinity. “By common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory” ( NASB ). This section of Scripture beautifully portrays an overview of Christ’s life and accomplishments. It all fits with what we know of the man , Jesus Christ. If Jesus were God, this section of Scripture would have been the perfect place to say so. We should expect to see some phrases like, “God incarnate,” “God and Man united,” “very God and very man,” etc . But nothing like that occurs. Instead, the section testifies to what non-Trinitarians believe—that Christ was a man, begotten by the Father, and that he was taken up into glory.


> Bibliography > Codex Alexandrinus > 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 in Codex Alexandrinus
Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the photographic facsimile volume published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC " God was manifested in the flesh," employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line. Tregelles writes, "The ink in which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent application" ( An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854). Without these marks, the manuscript originally read ΟC " He who was manifested in the flesh." In the photograph below the ΘC in 3:16 is circled. Further down, in verse 4:3, there is another
ΘC circled for comparison. Click on the circled areas for a larger view.

www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

johnw74, you have not only been lying, you have how joined the league of those who deliberately changed to word of God to achieve their own selfish ends. scholars, science has exposed you!

again and again evil jw who say God and the Word "is a two headed god"
rejects Bible scriptures, lies and changes the subject.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We know fake jw are false prophets and false teachers who teach damnable heresies and deny the Lord that bought them saying it was "a god" or "an angel" that bought them, they deny the Lord God.
2Peter 2:1 is another Bible verse talking off the evil, phony jw's. as well as others ,describing then to a T
their destruction will be swift:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

johnw74:
I do hate liars, false prophets, Bible corrupters, God blasphemers, calling Him false names, etc. I take after God in hating evil:

Rev_2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

God hated the deeds of the nicolatians.
God also hates the deeds of those who call themselves jehovahs witnesses,
the deeds of false prophecy,
calling God "a god"
calling God and the Word "a two headed god"
lying
changing what the Bible says to suit there satanic doctrines, and on and on and on



2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We know fake jw are false prophets and false teachers who teach damnable heresies and deny the Lord that bought them saying it was "a god" or "an angel" that bought them, they deny the Lord God.
2Peter 2:1 is another Bible verse talking off the evil, phony jw's. as well as others ,describing then to a T
their destruction will be swift:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh
evil jw say "a god" was manifest in the flesh

"God was manifest in the flesh", is Truly Awesome and worth telling, He did this so that we might live.

"a god" was manifest in the flesh", who would want to know? who would write it? = Only antichrists

can "a god" save you?

Answer: a big definite NO

Good question to ask? I have asked questions like these before hand, and of course the JW's never seem to come back with any answers.
Only because they don't know, and Questions like these are to difficult for any JW to answer.
JW's believe Michael the archangel came to earth as Jesus in the flesh and return to Jehovah God as His Son returning himself back in the spirit, to sit at God's right hand side.
But this is what the bible says>{Hebrews 1:5} For which of the Angels did God ever say you are My son, and today I am your Father.
{Hebrews 1:13} For which of the Angels did God ever say, sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your foot stool.
And the answer to this question is NONE of the angels. Not even the archangel Michael had any authority to play that same role Jesus had.
This leaves the JW's without a leg to stand on, their own argument is worthless. They only believe in some fairytale story that never existed.

Ken4Christ:
You don't waste so much time for people who have made up their minds to believe their fabricated lies inspite of overwhelming evidences against them.

Up till now, no JW has been able to tell us what happened to the body of Jesus since they say he did not rise up bodily. Let's take them on this issue because this is where our Christian faith is hinged on. They can twist other topics to their own destruction

I am waiting for the answer. What happened to the body of Jesus?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

evil jw do not confess the Lord (kurios God) but call Him "a god"
evil jw don't believe that God raised Jesus' body from the dead
evil jw are not saved.

No JW had showing anybody any bible scriptures correctly, matter of fact you have either changed the question that's been asked, or you have pushed the scriptures aside, knowing you can't answer them rightly.
I had asked a simple question and still the JW's have tried to confused the idea, that it don't exist.
Only because you don't know these answers yourselves, it puzzles you why your Greek scholars had written such verses that doesn't line up with any of your watchtower magazines.
And of course you either close that door' or you come up with scriptures that don't even line up with the scriptures we asked from you from the beginning.
Every JW I and others had written too have tried to lead us up the garden path, calling us names, showing us your hatred amongst yourselves towards us.
And you have the decency to call us haters, every JW I have written too always seem to have that gift of hatred, towards other Christians, is it because we seem to study our bibles a lot deeper and we refuse to believe in your Watchtower lies and your self-righteousness.
Question do you think I would make a good teacher? And they would accept me at the kingdom hall church? Just think the truth will set you free.

goodnews201668:
Thats how they behave, they can twist even what you have shown them in the Bible just to discredit the JWs. They don't know they are doing themselves.
People are already begining see what they are, haters and liers.

Ken4Christ:
You don't waste so much time for people who have made up their minds to believe their fabricated lies inspite of overwhelming evidences against them.

Up till now, no JW has been able to tell us what happened to the body of Jesus since they say he did not rise up bodily.

since they say ? or the bible say ?

1 pet 3:18 Jesus was killed in the flesh [ which the bible calls earthly body] and was made alive in the flesh ? NO , it said : MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT
.


fight with that verse .


" And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another ,." 1 cor 15:40



you mean Jesus use an earthly body in heaven ? thats silly , its called earthly because its specifically designed for the earth !

heavenly body is the body specifically designed for those in heaven , angels e.t.c


For what happen to Jesus earthly body , I Challenge you to tell me what happen to the body of moses ?


secondly, when angels came to earth and materialize, TELL me what happen to that earthly body they put on after they finished their mission ?




*** answer those two questions and lets see if u also have understanding .

At some point in time the dead in Christ will be resurrected incorruptible,
and we in Christ who are alive at that time will be changed also and caught up To Christ with them
in the clouds in the air.

In the same way Jesus who was flesh, was resurrected, with His body changed from corruptible to incorruptible,
His body was changed and resurrected the same as all flesh in Christ will be.

false jw say that Jesus body was not resurrected

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

fake jw don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, they just believe that His Spirit was raised.
They won't be saved.

Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't need to be raised. When Christ comes He will bring the Spirits of those who died in Him to be joined with their new changed resurrected body's, then those in Christ still alive will be changed and rise also to meet Christ in the air.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



The catching up to Christ is all about redemption of our bodies:
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Do you see also in that verse that Jesus has a glorious body, He is not just a resurrected Spirit as lying jw say, but He was resurrected with a changed glorified body as will the saved.

This is how His changed Glorified body looks:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Wow absolutely Awesome.

johnw74:
phony jw mano and someone else who is also phony jw
only carry weight with fellow jw phonies such as yourself

Christians don't believe phony jw's,

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Evil John, you are phony! Stop quoting me

johnw74:
At some point in time the dead in Christ will be resurrected incorruptible,
and we in Christ who are alive at that time will be changed also and caught up To Christ with them
in the clouds in the air.

In the same way Jesus who was flesh, was resurrected, with His body changed from corruptible to incorruptible,
His body was changed and resurrected the same as all flesh in Christ will be.

false jw say that Jesus body was not resurrected

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

fake jw don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, they just believe that His Spirit was raised.
They won't be saved.

Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't need to be raised. When Christ comes He will bring the Spirits of those who died in Him to be joined with their new changed resurrected body's, then those in Christ still alive will be changed and rise also to meet Christ in the air.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



The catching up to Christ is all about redemption of our bodies:
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Do you see also in that verse that Jesus has a glorious body, He is not just a resurrected Spirit as lying jw say, but He was resurrected with a changed glorified body as will the saved.

This is how His changed Glorified body looks:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Wow absolutely Awesome.

What will happen I you don't lie? Must you?
Even the devil will be scared of you because of the way you lie, very soon you will take over from him as the father of lie.

Who told you Jesus wasn't resurrected? That he was resurrected as a spirit or made alive in spirit as was also shown you from the Bible is it a lie?

You are here twisting the whole thing to make JWs appear bad, yet it's obvious you are the one spreading falsehoods and hateful message here. Everything is in this thread and it was shown you in the Bible, someone asked you question you dogded it.
Obviously because you don't have anything reasonable to say as usual other than accuse JWs and shift attention from the main issue. He is the question again for you and your cohorts.

ince they say ? or the bible say ?

1 pet 3:18 Jesus was killed in the flesh [ which the bible calls earthly body] and was made alive in the flesh ? NO , it said : MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT
.


fight with that verse .


" And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another ,." 1 cor 15:40



you mean Jesus use an earthly body in heaven ? thats silly , its called earthly because its specifically designed for the earth !

heavenly body is the body specifically designed for those in heaven , angels e.t.c


For what happen to Jesus earthly body , I Challenge you to tell me what happen to the body of moses ?


secondly, when angels came to earth and materialize, TELL me what happen to that earthly body they put on after they finished their mission ?




*** answer those two questions and lets see if u also understanding .

goodnews201668:
What will happen I you don't lie? Must you?
Even the devil will be scared of you because of the way you lie, very soon you will take over from him as the father of lie.

Who told you Jesus wasn't resurrected? That he was resurrected as a spirit or made alive in spirit as was also shown you from the Bible is it a lie?

You are here twisting the whole thing to make JWs appear bad, yet it's obvious you are the one spreading falsehoods and hateful message here. Everything is in this thread and it was shown you in the Bible, someone asked you question you dogded it.
Obviously because you don't have anything reasonable to say as usual other than accuse JWs and shift attention from the main issue. He is the question again for you and your cohorts.

ince they say ? or the bible say ?

1 pet 3:18 Jesus was killed in the flesh [ which the bible calls earthly body] and was made alive in the flesh ? NO , it said : MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT
.


fight with that verse .


" And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another ,." 1 cor 15:40



you mean Jesus use an earthly body in heaven ? thats silly , its called earthly because its specifically designed for the earth !

heavenly body is the body specifically designed for those in heaven , angels e.t.c


For what happen to Jesus earthly body , I Challenge you to tell me what happen to the body of moses ?


secondly, when angels came to earth and materialize, TELL me what happen to that earthly body they put on after they finished their mission ?




*** answer those two questions and lets see if u also understanding .

We know phony jw's reject all Bible verses that go against their satanic doctrines,
and yet again here are more verses rejected by satanic jw's

johnw74:
At some point in time the dead in Christ will be resurrected incorruptible,
and we in Christ who are alive at that time will be changed also and caught up To Christ with them
in the clouds in the air.

In the same way Jesus who was flesh, was resurrected, with His body changed from corruptible to incorruptible,
His body was changed and resurrected the same as all flesh in Christ will be.

false jw say that Jesus body was not resurrected

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

fake jw don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, they just believe that His Spirit was raised.
They won't be saved.

Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't need to be raised. When Christ comes He will bring the Spirits of those who died in Him to be joined with their new changed resurrected body's, then those in Christ still alive will be changed and rise also to meet Christ in the air.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



The catching up to Christ is all about redemption of our bodies:
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Do you see also in that verse that Jesus has a glorious body, He is not just a resurrected Spirit as lying jw say, but He was resurrected with a changed glorified body as will the saved.

goodnews201668:
Evil John, you are phony! Stop quoting me

goodnews201668:
I am not surprised you guys will just beating around the bush always and shifting the goal post. Any sound mind will see the sense in my explanations, I was even thinking you will come up with another portion. You are Paul Grundy, I know I have seen his traits!

johnw74:

You just made me truly realize who you, I thought as much I'll stop quoting you nor replying your post,
Evil John, hater, apostate, liar, slander, hypocrite, impostor you actually had to operate with this account and you know the reason.
What the Bible said about you is true, you fit all the descriptions.