Boomark:
Most of us accept practices from our churches without inquiring into its origin. We tend to carry on with a practice because we feel it bring results, and careless if it transgress the law of the spirit of God. Many wrong things are been done in the name of Christ but those who follow the footsteps of Christ should carefully decipher them.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

The Cross is a symbol of curse.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
22 “If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree, 23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God. In this way, you will prevent the defilement of the land the Lord your God is giving you as your special possession.

Galatians 3:13
13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

[color=#006600]The Cross is not something good in the sight of God, it is meant for those to be put to death, and those who are executed on it are cursed in the sight of God. To avoid defiling the land, such a person must be buried the same day and must not be left hanging on it overnight.[/color=#006600]

This is the same with the case of Christ. Therefore it is an affront to God and a systematic disobedience to His commandment to always depict Christ His son as always accursed (ie always hanging on the Cross), even when he is no longer hanging on a cross(tree) in heaven.

Christ bore our curse once and for all and it all ended that day when he was brought down and buried, Jn 19:31.

The Catholics and other churches who keep, kneel and bow to a cursed image (cross) made of wood and stone should know by now why God strongly condemn the use of images to worship Him. Such a thing is pure idol worship. The Father is pleased with those who worship Him spirit and in truth, Jn 4:22-24.

You don't need to wait for Rome or your G.O to tell you to follow the truth before you do so. Our loyalty is to God, not man.

The cross was for a long time in use among the pagans of Rome in their idol worship and was one of their many symbols. What we need to know is that the symbols of the occult do not have any special spiritual powers. They are simple coded depravities meant to be vain engagements, hence devoid of the presence of God.

The cross was one of those signs (still important in the occult) and by hanging Christ on it, His tormentors my all means spiritually disrobed him of the presence of God. That is why He cried to God....why have you forsaken me? He actually became accursed.

dazzle101:
I will cling to my old rugged cross and exchange it someday for a crown! such a refreshing song...

Now how does one begin to forget the finished work on the cross of calvary and the propitiation for our salvation and redemption by the Saviour Jesus Christ


OP U lieeeeeeeee

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A big lie indeed. I de feel your song, may we never boast except in the cross. Gal. 6:14.

Excellent write up in the opening post but a very misleading title. ...

Syncan:
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A big lie indeed. I de feel your song, may we never boast except in the cross. Gal. 6:14.

Thanks...

Syncan:
Wow! Now the devil wants to keep me away from the cross. The very thing that Jesus specifically instructed us to embrace as a sign of our discipleship. He says the cross is not something good in the sight of God, but Jesus said "Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." Lk. 9:23.
Sorry sir I go with scripture and proclaim w
ith St.Paul, all Catholics and indeed every faithful Christian, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world Gal.6:14

Sire Dyu think he is talking about the cross used for crucifixion? He is talking about everyone carrying his own sin


No wonder y'all dogmatic enough to believe that someone 'ould die for your sins

saintgoogle:


Sire Dyu think he is talking about the cross used for crucifixion? He is talking about everyone carrying his own sin


No wonder y'all dogmatic enough to believe that someone 'ould die for your sins

Since you started committing sin, have you died for your own sin?

Ko

saintgoogle:


Sire Dyu think he is talking about the cross used for crucifixion? He is talking about everyone carrying his own sin


No wonder y'all dogmatic enough to believe that someone 'ould die for your sins

The only thing you achieved in this post is the pride you took in quoting Syncan.

Goshen360:


Since you started committing sin, have you died for your own sin?

Thanks, just couldn't wrap my head around his reasoning.

Goshen360:


Since you started committing sin, have you died for your own sin?

Do they die for sins before Jesus came ?

But we will all account for our sins

Syncan:
Ko

The only thing you achieved in this post is the pride you took in quoting Syncan.

Clap for your sef

saintgoogle:




Do they die for sins before Jesus came ?

But we will all account for our sins

Yes, you will reap the rewards for what you sow, but your sins. ...past, present and future are forgiven in Christ. Just like someone commit abortion, is she forgiven when they come to Christ? Yes! What if the abortion damaged the womb and can't have babies no more? That's reaping what was sown. 2 different things!

Goshen360:


Yes, you will reap the rewards for what you sow, but your sins. ...past, present and future are forgiven in Christ. Just like someone commit abortion, is she forgiven when they come to Christ? Yes! What if the abortion damaged the womb and can't have babies no more? That's reaping what was sown. 2 different things!

So all our past and present sins re forgiven right?

goodnews201668:


Before I tell you what God's power is, what is cross?

If you don't know what the Cross is,how can you experience the Power of God?
Let me help the viewers.
The Cross is the place of sacrifice likening to the Altar in the Old Testament in Hebrews chapter10.

ichuka:

If you don't know what the Cross is,how can you experience the Power of God?
Let me help the viewers.
The Cross is the place of sacrifice likening to the Altar in the Old Testament in Hebrews chapter10.

More Grace to you sir. I'm CROSSIFIED with Christ nevertheless I live. ....hahahahaha. ...Hallelujah!

saintgoogle:


So all our past and present sins re forgiven right?

Yes sir, so teaches the word. When Christ died for your sins, he did when you're still a sinner and he died for those sins in FUTURE TENSE. ....

Goshen360:


More Grace to you sir. I'm CROSSIFIED with Christ nevertheless I live. ....hahahahaha. ...Hallelujah!

Lol
Longtime bro.
Some Christain don't know that when Christ died 2000years ago they died with Him,when He rose from the gravel they also rose with Him.infact they will be surprise to hear that as He seated on His throne in Heaven they are also IN HIM.
For it was God that PUT us in Christ(1cor1:30)
It's all by FAITH!!!
That's what Paul was saying in Gal2:20...that by Faith he's crucified with Christ.not yesterday or tomorrow but NOW!!!..he said *I AM CRUCiFIED WITH CHRIST**its a present tense

ichuka:
The Cross Governs everything related to the new Life and the house of God.
Without the Cross God will stil be an imaginary being,without it there's no new life.christainity derives it power from the Cross.
Show me a cursed/condemned man and I will show you an uncrucified fool.

amen

kennedymonk:
you are right, I can't explain God , no one can, though many will make a fool of themselves trying to explain whom God is, but that is why He is God, a mystery, Oh that he reveals Him self to you else ...

I don't need to check your profile for "simple truths" ... I have all I need... Thanks

Don't deceive yourself by saying "I can't explain God." Nobody said you should "explain God." if you cannot explain the trinity you claim to believe in, the you have nothing.

If you can't know or believe in the things that are written, then you have nothing. By the way, where did you get all that you have...imaginations?

dazzle101:
I will cling to my old rugged cross and exchange it someday for a crown! such a refreshing song...

Now how does one begin to forget the finished work on the cross of calvary and the propitiation for our salvation and redemption by the Saviour Jesus Christ


OP U lieeeeeeeee

Smh for Isioma. You should start worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

Muafrika2:

The cross was for a long time in use among the pagans of Rome in their idol worship and was one of their many symbols. What we need to know is that the symbols of the occult do not have any special spiritual powers. They are simple coded depravities meant to be vain engagements, hence devoid of the presence of God.

The cross was one of those signs (still important in the occult) and by hanging Christ on it, His tormentors my all means spiritually disrobed him of the presence of God. That is why He cried to God....why have you forsaken me? He actually became accursed.

Their ears has been blocked and they can't see as well.

ichuka:

If you don't know what the Cross is,how can you experience the Power of God?
Let me help the viewers.
The Cross is the place of sacrifice likening to the Altar in the Old Testament in Hebrews chapter10.

I was thinking you are going to explain the meaning of cross, I asked the question for you to explain it.

It might interest you to know that cross is a Latin word (Cruz).

The Bible was not written in Latin.
Where you have cross in most bibles today in the Greek language which is one of the original language the Bible was written you'll rather see (stauros) which means an upright stake or straight pole.
The Jews used to hang a cursed person or criminal on a tree or stake.
Galatians 3:13, Acts 5:30 and 10:39 says Jesus Christ was hunged on a tree as a cursed person.
Deuteronomy 21:22,23 shows the Jews are used to hanging people on a stake long before Christ came.

So starous Greek meaning of doesn't mean cross it rather means a torture stake or a pole where people are hanged to make them die agonizing death.

While Cruz is a Latin word that when translated into English means cross and it's pegan nations who knew nothing about the true God that were using it in worship long before Christ came. Google and see how and when it became part of items used as worship in the church.

However God actually warns us against using any image in our worship to him, we should rather worship him in spirit and truth.
Using images in worship is idolatary!! God condemned it.

Syncan:
Wow! Now the devil wants to keep me away from the cross. The very thing that Jesus specifically instructed us to embrace as a sign of our discipleship. He says the cross is not something good in the sight of God, but Jesus said "Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." Lk. 9:23.
Sorry sir I go with scripture and proclaim with St.Paul, all Catholics and indeed every faithful Christian, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world Gal.6:14

1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood?

Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

K08:
What symbol should Christians use then?

True worshippers Worship God in spirit. The Father likes such people. Jn 4:21-24.

Boomark:


1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood?

Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

Hahahaha, now he diverts attention to the work of sculptors, no longer the symbolical meaning of a cross. Please when you find something else to discuss let me know, I'll see if it interests me. For now, this post of yours is dead on arrival, for the doctrine we preach is the cross, Christ Crucified. The cross is a source of pride to God, His only begotten son died on it for love of man. Whatever you think Christ meant here...Pls pick up your cross and follow Christ.

Goshen360:
Excellent write up in the opening post but a very misleading title. ...

Thanks bro.

Its all about the wooden cross.

Syncan:


Hahahaha, now he diverts attention to the work of sculptors, no longer the symbolical meaning of a cross. Please when you find something else to discuss let me know, I'll see if it interests me. For now, this post of yours is dead on arrival, for the doctrine we preach is the cross, Christ Crucified. The cross is a source of pride to God, His only begotten son died on it for love of man. Whatever you think Christ meant here...Pls pick up your cross and follow Christ.

The Cross is a symbol of curse.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
22 “If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree,23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God.

Your reply made to go back and check all I have written as the OP has been deleted. So you did not understand that I was talking about the wooden cross (tree) you guy bow to in your church, which I said is pure idol worship?

Syncan, you cannot run o. You must answer my question. brace yourself like a man.

1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood cross?
Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

Boomark:


Thanks bro.

Its all about the wooden cross.

This wooden cross represent something to Christianity unlike the topic of the thread that's misleading.

Goshen360:
Excellent write up in the opening post but a very misleading title. ...

Right on point write up in the opening post and titled correctly for whom it may concern

Boomark:
Thanks bro.

Its all about the wooden cross.

Not just the wooden cross but also the Kaaba too

Goshen360:
This wooden cross represent something to Christianity unlike the topic of the thread that's misleading.

Kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, bowing down to the Kaaba, touching or kissing the Kaaba
Both are symbols of worship of gods made of wood/cross and stone/Kaaba as predicted to be or as prophesied in
Deuteronomy 4:28, Deuteronomy 28:36 and Deuteronomy 28:64

Boomark:


The Cross is a symbol of curse.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
22 “If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree,23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God.

Your reply made to go back and check all I have written as the OP has been deleted. So you did not understand that I was talking about the wooden cross (tree) you guy bow to in your church, which I said is pure idol worship?

Syncan, you cannot run o. You must answer my question. brace yourself like a man.

1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood cross?
Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

All your rigmarole cannot help you. The questions you ask have no connection with the topic of discuss oga. If cross is such a bad thing, why did Jesus tell us to carry ours and follow him, why did St. Paul pray that we boast of nothing but the cross, why did he continue preaching Christ crucified even though Christ is in heaven? Yet you say it is an affront to depict that act because Christ is now in heaven, lol. Oga you fail this one, just admit it.

Syncan:



All your rigmarole cannot help you. The questions you ask have no connection with the topic of discuss oga. If cross is such a bad thing, why did Jesus tell us to carry ours and follow him, why did St. Paul pray that we boast of nothing but the cross, why did he continue preaching Christ crucified even though Christ is in heaven? Yet you say it is an affront to depict that act because Christ is now in heaven, lol. Oga you fail this one, just admit it.

My brother that we preach about Christ is a different thing.
That we preach about how Christ suffered and was finally put to death on a torture stake is different from carving cross or using it in worship.
We are not the first followers of Christ, he had early disciples. Have you ever heard that the Bible said they used cross in worship or while praying.

Let me tell you one secret, maybe you never knew it.
That cross has long been in use by those who never knew the true God long before Christ came to the earth. It's a worship instrument for pegans at first.
Now Google and see how it was adopted by Christians with time.
The Bible has no record of followers of Christ ever using cross in worship, it was adopted as time goes by.

No matter how we try to justify it the cross is integrated into the scriptures, the original language rather means pale or upright pole.
It's organs that made use if cross long before Christ came.

The CROSS was introduced to the Christian Congregation by Pope Constantine in order to unite paganism and Christianity.

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world.

This demonic object (CRUX in Latin) entered the vocabulary of most European languages through the corrupt Latin Vulgate version of Jerome.


A HOLY Bible and HOLY Scriptures once again with the CROSS removed!!

Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. There are NO SUCH words as CROSS, CRUCIFY, or CRUCIFIED in the Old Testament—except in the new perversions!!

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a TREE (Gk. xulon)" (Acts 5:29-30).

The cross is a symbol for the great mother goddess!!

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world. They represent the worship of the great mother goddess of paganism. They originated at Babylon and spread to all the world via Egypt.

Syncan:



All your rigmarole cannot help you. The questions you ask have no connection with the topic of discuss oga. If cross is such a bad thing, why did Jesus tell us to carry ours and follow him, why did St. Paul pray that we boast of nothing but the cross, why did he continue preaching Christ crucified even though Christ is in heaven? Yet you say it is an affront to depict that act because Christ is now in heaven, lol. Oga you fail this one, just admit it.

goodnews201668:

No matter how we try to justify it the cross is integrated into the scriptures, the original language rather means pale or upright pole.
It's organs that made use if cross long before Christ came.

The CROSS was introduced to the Christian Congregation by Pope Constantine in order to unite paganism and Christianity.

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world.

This demonic object (CRUX in Latin) entered the vocabulary of most European languages through the corrupt Latin Vulgate version of Jerome.


A HOLY Bible and HOLY Scriptures once again with the CROSS removed!!

Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. There are NO SUCH words as CROSS, CRUCIFY, or CRUCIFIED in the Old Testament—except in the new perversions!!

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a TREE (Gk. xulon)" (Acts 5:29-30).

The cross is a symbol for the great mother goddess!!

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world. They represent the worship of the great mother goddess of paganism. They originated at Babylon and spread to all the world via Egypt.

I have had a fair share of religious discuss and arguments on this forum, so I am not so in need of a discuss to jump into argument with just any one, especially one who tells brazen lies. Why should I be arguing with someone who claims there was a Pope Constantine that introduced cross to Christianity. Stop spreading falsehood.