₦airaland Forum

90xtr3r:
Here and now, can you substantiate your allegation of linking IPOB with violence?

Since you've chosen to reduce the crust of the matter to blocking of roads, can you show how you and your elites have countered the blocking of highways by Fulani herdsmen for decades now?

Your lies and hypocrisy against Igbos are DOA.
A person whose people are barely existing cannot dictate to another how to live. Moreover, such referendum is usually carried out and supervised by UN.

joseph1832:
How did you know christian East and Niger Delta said yes to biafra? Did you conduct an opinion poll? And if you did, can you kindly share so we can learn?.

Once again, how did you know Nigerians are scared of igbo living Nigeria? Was an opinion poll conducted by you to arrive at this conclusion?

Do you know the difference between a federation and a con-federation? Is the E.U a federal entity like Nigeria or the U.S.A?. For the fact that you compared a Union of States to a State shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Once again. The Brits operate their country as a single entity, tell me, why do you think the Brits don't use The Euro?


If you want a referendum, you can conduct one yourself, or perhaps you can find a way to muster the courage and get the collective opinions from Igbos all over the country and draw your conclusion.

There are ways in which Igbos can achieve their Biafra, but violence and blocking of roads isn't one of them.

The ball is in the court of the Igbos to sit down as a unit of people and decide what they want.

christopher123:
Now this is the better response ...not all groups will want referendum. We can't lump everybody up. If a particular section wants referendum why don't give it to them? Some people are very okay with Nigeria some people are not okay with Nigeria

So conducting referendum to all will be tantamount to waste of resources ,time and energy.


The whole EU won't conduct a referendum it's only Britain so it is and that has been the global standard practise . the same way it way done in Ireland the same way it was done in Catalonia we can't always do the wrong thing in Nigeria. This is one of the reasons Igbo want out. Nigeria keeps doing the wrong thing for obvious reason

Referendum is done in affected places not on generality.. This is the global best practise
From the look of things , igbo are not going or wants to go because of marginalisation ..I don't think so.Igbo to me wants to leave so that they can chart their own course and find their own destiny . TO ME THAT IS NOT A BAD THING to ask

Just like when a wife wants out you tell your in-laws to go for a referendum . this is exactly what you have opined

The whole EU isn't going for a referendum but only Brits not even the Scots

That's is the best global practise

As you can see your argument and postulation doesn't hold water

I ask again

Why is Nigeria not comfortable with Igbo leaving or staying?
What will Nigeria loose if Igbo stays or go?

I really need to get answers here pls

christopher123:
Nice dissertion but you answer not the question.

You asked.


So tell me ur answers. All over the world protest is not done in room

KBEST3:
CAPITAL NO TO BIAFROUD

christopher123:
NIce postulation....

But why ....give us reason

BiafranJesus:
Do not expect anything reasonable from the snakes.

joseph1832:
Of course it isn't done in a room. When you want to protest, there are peaceful ways you can go about it. Not cause mayhem and complain when the machiavellian hammer descend on you.

I already said it, if the Igbos want to leave Nigeria, let them come together as a people and hold a referendum and get peoples opinion. Its that simple. If the Igbos can do that, then they can chart the course of their own history.

joseph1832:
I suppose you live abroad right? Or didn't you hear numerous reports about how members of IPOB block roads and constitute whatever of themselves?

Can you show me a link supporting this position of yours?.

Lies? Hypocrisy? What on earth are you yapping about dude, please be concise and never play to sentiment and emotion and learn to debate with using them.

So you think Igbos are barely existing? Can you show me the Igbos that are not existing? Kindly point out the LGA's and places where they reside so I'll know you're not being emotional.

Thank you.

enlightenedmind:
Again, the EU is not a country. Britain is not governed by the constitution of the EU. The EU has absolutely no business if Britain decides to leave or stay. Because it is like a club. For example when Scotland asked to leave the entire Britain took a referendum. The decision is not just about Igbo's or biafrans. It will affect every single 180 million people in Nigeria. We must make sure everyone is alright with this. I know it is easy to think that the call for Biafra has only to do with what d biafrans want. But Biafra is not a Biafra thing it is a Nigerian thing.

U are asking Nigerians to change everything they stood for change all systems and constitutions to accommodate Biafra's split. We must be absolutely Sir that it is economically and socially necessary not tribal and prejudicial hatred.

I don't think anyone is scared of Igbo's leaving. We do not just see d need to distabilize our society to solve a problem with an answer that not solve d problem. We too have stakes in this. It is our society. Call it a zoo but unr askinus to distabilize it to give u what u wnt. We must understand and agree that it is economically beneficial.

Scotland will always be part of Britain, north and south america will still be one country. Because splitting a country up is not splitting a group into 2. There are many stakeholders. Many national and international. If splitting means we welcome american war bombs on the rest of Nigeria, not happening. If it means that it levels any region economically, politically or socially vulnerable, not happening. So these things work together to determine how pple see did.

christopher123:
But i do not like the term "snake".

waleboss12:
If igbos go Nigeria no go win any football tornement .. I remember Biafra team led by Stephen keshi .. The recent golden eaglet na omo igbo plenty pass... How would nigeria be without omo Igbo... Anyway i suggest we form an alien's wirh them.. Becos if you think niger delta will follow Yoruba or Hausa You are joking they are eternally gratefull to their brothers from the east.... The worst is that their are lots of Igbo women married in Niger delta n they will influence their son. Me i cant go against my mummy no body can...!. Yoruba abi we go follow hausa......? Me i no go gree follow aboki oooo nothing we go gain from them ...

90xtr3r:
[size=14pt]Right here and now can your substantiate your silly allegation of linking IPOB with violence?[/size]

A people who are barely existing and are at the mercies of illiteracy, abject poverty and squalor cannot dictate to another how to live their lives!

So far in all these years of existence IPOB has conducted its affairs including protests peacefully including seeking the necessary international recognition and process for self-determination.

https://www.nairaland.com/2780954/biafra-oeas-demands-snap-referendum

Over the decades the marauding herdsmen have been ravaging your land and killing your people for fun. How many threads have you and your lots created on NL to register your protest against such dastardly acts?

How many of your kinsmen dare challenge the marauding herdsmen for wieding ak-47?

What efforts have your elites put in to counter the hate speeches in mosques and the unconscionable, cold-hearted waste of human lives and reckless destruction of means of livelihoods going on in the North for decades?

Can you show such credible evidences where you and your people rose in unison to condemn the dastardly acts, especially by your masters, going on for many decades now unabated?

See where your masters have turned the BRT lane into a federal grazing corridor:
https://www.nairaland.com/2999276/pain-confusion-lawless-fulani-herdsmen

It's only hypocrites that come online feigning ignorance and subtly supporting the evil of the day while indeed they are ravenous wolves in sheep clothing who commit worst crimes than what they accuse others for.

That your folks rarely stand for anything should not be an excuse for you to come in the public to castigate Igbos for seeking to have a separate existence. You shouldn't expect Easterners to follow foolish ways of delusion. 

Take your miseries to OduaArewanistan republic where you're most needed as loyal subjects.

BiafranJesus:
Snake is the word. There are reasonable people and there are snakes.

KBEST3:
CAPITAL NO TO BIAFROUD

90xtr3r:
[size=14pt]Right here and now can your substantiate your silly allegation of linking IPOB with violence?[/size]

A people who are barely existing and are at the mercies of illiteracy, abject poverty and squalor cannot dictate to another how to live their lives!

So far in all these years of existence IPOB has conducted its affairs including protests peacefully including seeking the necessary international recognition and process for self-determination.

https://www.nairaland.com/2780954/biafra-oeas-demands-snap-referendum

Over the decades the marauding herdsmen have been ravaging your land and killing your people for fun. How many threads have you and your lots created on NL to register your protest against such dastardly acts?

How many of your kinsmen dare challenge the marauding herdsmen for wieding ak-47?

What efforts have your elites put in to counter the hate speeches in mosques and the unconscionable, cold-hearted waste of human lives and reckless destruction of means of livelihoods going on in the North for decades?

Can you show such credible evidences where you and your people rose in unison to condemn the dastardly acts, especially by your masters, going on for many decades now unabated?

See where your masters have turned the BRT lane into a federal grazing corridor:
https://www.nairaland.com/2999276/pain-confusion-lawless-fulani-herdsmen

It's only hypocrites that come online feigning ignorance and subtly supporting the evil of the day while indeed they are ravenous wolves in sheep clothing who commit worst crimes than what they accuse others for.

That your folks rarely stand for anything should not be an excuse for you to come in the public to castigate Igbos for seeking to have a separate existence. You shouldn't expect Easterners to follow foolish ways of delusion. 

Take your miseries to OduaArewanistan republic where you're most needed as loyal subjects.

christopher123:
EU is a case study and has constitution.


Spliting can be done peacefully if we work on it.

!

tuale4u:
As a south south person who have followed Nigeria politics closely there are things that are very crystal clear to all Nigerians about Nigeria unity.

No matter how everybody pretend about Nigeria Unity or Division today, everything boils down to Niger Delta oil.

The following scenarios prove my point:

1. Ask Biafra to form thier country with South east alone for a start, let South South Join them later if they wish. You will see strong opposition from Biafrans. You start hearing stories and plenty version of history. How south south people speak Igbo. How Jaja of opobo is Igbo. How Anioma is more Igbo than Benin bla bla bla as if they care. The next thing you will hear is let do a referedum. And ask South South people to choose between Biafra and Nigeria. This is d greatest Hippocracy in d matter. I WILL BE VERY HAPPY IF BIAFRA AGITATORS PUT REFEREDUM TO SOUTH SOUTH PEOPLE AS THREE OPTION INSTEAD OF TWO. LET THEM ASK SOUTH SOUTH PEOPLE TO CHOSE AMONG NIGER DELTA REPUBLIC, BIAFRA OR NIGERIA. When Biafra agitator start making the referedum three options instead of two, i will become i strong supporter of d movement. But instead they will start divide and rule on south south. They will start telling south south people how Ijaw and Itsekiri dont agree. how okrika and ikwerre dont agree etc. As if Niger delta people agree with them more than fellow south south person.

2. Let Biafra openly say they dont want South South in Biafra, Nigeria will grant them freedom within a year.

3. Let Niger Delta oil dry up, and Biafra struggle continues, Nigeria will divide within d first six months of no oil.

4. Another reason North want One Nigeria is because of Lagos. Lagos is d prize of south west. North is landlock. Lagos is d major source of import to Northern Nigeria.

In summary No matter how Biafra agitators pretend or One Nigeria Northerner or South Westerner pretend, Everything Boils down to Niger Delta oil as at today. SOUTH EAST,SOUTH WEST AND THE WHOLE NORTH ARE ALL PARASITE TO SOUTH SOUTH.

I know some will say IMO and ABIA have some oil. True. ONDO state Oil is more than IMO and ABIA combined. The sharing if 13% derivative anong oil producer clearly shows this.

The truth is dat the most important thing or intetest to human beings is economic interest. It is not brotherhood, it is not religion.

The importance of Niger Delta is so obvious today. Nigeria is almost dead just because oil price drop by 70%. No fuel, no dollar, PDP/APC Governors cant pay salary all over d six geopolitical zone, inflation etc all boil down to low price of Niger Delta oil. No light is still about Niger Delta gas. The truth is dat Niger Delta is d air Nigeria breathe.

As long as Biafra Map have South South in it, Biafra will continue to be a mirrage. There will never be referedum. It can only happen by war. All most all d war in d world is about economy not religion.

If South East want to leave Nigeria without south south, Nigeria will rather encourage it than prevent it. The North Will be very happy to hear that.

joseph1832:
Is the OEAS a body recognized by the U.N? Did they sign the U.N charter? I find this a vane attempt at supplanting you position.

You want evidence linking IPOB to violent acts? Here it is...

www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/biafra-massobipob-deny-setting-onitsha-central-mosque-ablaze/

dailypost.ng/2015/12/02/biafra-protest-turns-bloody-mosque-burnt-scores-feared-dead/

www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/news/-police-arrest-22-massob-ipob-members/109935.html


Ah yes! The menace of the Fulani herdsmen is a shame to the nigerian state. However, you should know this is a country where anybody can behave any how.

The rule of law in the nigerian state is flexible and can be thwarted by the powers that be. But still, I am not one who stand for any act of violence.

Opening threads here and complaining about whatever will always amount to almost nothing. The onus lie in the hands of the FG to do what it swore to do, that is to protect the lives and property of every nigerian.

enlightenedmind:
I am really tired of this Biafra posts that absolutely miss the point. Fisrtly OP, u comparing Nigeria and the Igbos to Britain and the EU is unfounded and not even valid. The EU is a group of COUNTRIES formed to facilitate free trade and movement of labour within countries. Each country exist as a sovereign state within the EU. This also means that immigrants to any of these European countries have access to all EU countries. Different countries have different immigration rules and are not comfortable with that. Given that Britain lives on a welfare system, it is of utmost importance they control immigration. That is why Britain is leaving the EU. Not because they are enslaved.

Secondly, Britain is a country not a section of a country. The EU is not a country. The EU is exactly the same as the OAU, AU, UN. Any country can leave if they feel the rules are no more convenient. By The way, scotland has been wanting to leave the UK for decades now. But they cannot. A specific part of a country cannot just decide that it wants to leave. You saying that BRITAIN IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD BCOZ THEY VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THIS CONTEST. When Britain lets scotland go, then u can make that argument.

The current constitution is written to reflect all resources, needs, players of all sections of the country. Any part leaving is denying everybody else in the country their fundamental rights of association by birth. The matter of seceding must be planned in a gradual process. there are others in this country too u know. an cutting any part of nigeria away is like saying "the rest of u can die, we do not care".

And also pitching this problem as a religious divide is a new low. The corruption in nigeria has nothing to do with religion and tribe. Even if u go to Biafra I can assure u that nothing will come out of it. Because u guys brought up the concept of Biafra to solve a problem that does not exist. You have failed to identify the problem and this pride and hatred may lead to unfounded events that does not benefit the people but satisfies personal political interests.

enlightenedmind:
I am really tired of this Biafra posts that absolutely miss the point. Fisrtly OP, u comparing Nigeria and the Igbos to Britain and the EU is unfounded and not even valid. The EU is a group of COUNTRIES formed to facilitate free trade and movement of labour within countries. Each country exist as a soverign state within the EU. This also means that immigrants to any of these European countries have access to all EU countries. Different countries have different immigration rules and are not comfortable with that. Given that Britain lives on a welfare system, it is of utmost importance they control immigration. That is why Britain is leaving the EU. Not because they are enslaved.

Secondly, Britain is a country not a section of a country. The EU is not a country. The EU is exactly the same as the OAU, AU, UN. Any country can leave if they feel the rules are no more convenient. By The way, scotland has been wanting to leave the UK for decades now. But they cannot. A specific part of a country cannot just decide that it wants to leave. You saying that BRITAIN IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD BCOZ THEY VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THIS CONTEST. When Britain lets scotland go, then u can make that argument.


The current constitution is written to reflect all resources, needs, players of all sections of the country. Any part leaving is denying everybody else in the country their fundamental rights of association by birth. The matter of seceding must be planned in a gradual process. there are others in this country too u know. an cutting any part of nigeria away is like saying "the rest of u can die, we do not care".

And also pitching this problem as a religious divide is a new low. The corruption in nigeria has nothing to do with religion and tribe. Even if u go to Biafra I can assure u that nothing will come out of it. Because u guys brought up the concept of Biafra to solve a problem that does not exist. You have failed to identify the problem and this pride and hatred may lead to unfounded events that does not benefit the people but satisfies personal political interests.

Sweetguy25:
The EU is a union, so is Nigeria. Nigeria claims to be a federal republic, which means a "federation" of states that operate a democratic form of government. A federation is no much different from a union given that
"A federation is (also known as a federal state) a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government."

Scotland wanted to leave the UK and their opinion was subjected to a referendum which was conducted in 2014. If the UK, which is a kingdom that runs on less flexible laws than a supposed Federation like Nigeria, could conduct a referendum on to let the scots decide their own fate, what stops a federal republic from doing the same?

A specific part of a federation or federal republic can always demand and decide to leave a federation if it suits them. Nigeria does not run a monarchy system of government where a King makes all decisions. Nigeria is not Spain or Britain... We should be more like the EU because thats what we are supposed to be.

When the referendum was being held in Scotland, only the scots voted. Other states in the federation cannot decide the fate of the seceding state.



Concerning this comment, I honestly hope you're not talking about the Nigerian constitution. . . In fact, Nigeria has no constitution.


Lastly, Nigeria's fundamental problem is not corruption but injustice. It is not for you to say that nothing will come out of Biafra, a new country can never be worse than Nigeria. Nigeria is actually one of the worst countries in the world in terms of anything positive.

tuale4u:
As a south south person who have followed Nigeria politics closely there are things that are very crystal clear to all Nigerians about Nigeria unity.

No matter how everybody pretend about Nigeria Unity or Division today, everything boils down to Niger Delta oil.

The following scenarios prove my point:

1. Ask Biafra to form thier country with South east alone for a start, let South South Join them later if they wish. You will see strong opposition from Biafrans. You start hearing stories and plenty version of history. How south south people speak Igbo. How Jaja of opobo is Igbo. How Anioma is more Igbo than Benin bla bla bla as if they care. The next thing you will hear is let do a referedum. And ask South South people to choose between Biafra and Nigeria. This is d greatest Hippocracy in d matter. I WILL BE VERY HAPPY IF BIAFRA AGITATORS PUT REFEREDUM TO SOUTH SOUTH PEOPLE AS THREE OPTION INSTEAD OF TWO. LET THEM ASK SOUTH SOUTH PEOPLE TO CHOSE AMONG NIGER DELTA REPUBLIC, BIAFRA OR NIGERIA. When Biafra agitator start making the referedum three options instead of two, i will become i strong supporter of d movement. But instead they will start divide and rule on south south. They will start telling south south people how Ijaw and Itsekiri dont agree. how okrika and ikwerre dont agree etc. As if Niger delta people agree with them more than fellow south south person.

2. Let Biafra openly say they dont want South South in Biafra, Nigeria will grant them freedom within a year.

3. Let Niger Delta oil dry up, and Biafra struggle continues, Nigeria will divide within d first six months of no oil.

4. Another reason North want One Nigeria is because of Lagos. Lagos is d prize of south west. North is landlock. Lagos is d major source of import to Northern Nigeria.

In summary No matter how Biafra agitators pretend or One Nigeria Northerner or South Westerner pretend, Everything Boils down to Niger Delta oil as at today. SOUTH EAST,SOUTH WEST AND THE WHOLE NORTH ARE ALL PARASITE TO SOUTH SOUTH.

I know some will say IMO and ABIA have some oil. True. ONDO state Oil is more than IMO and ABIA combined. The sharing if 13% derivative anong oil producer clearly shows this.

The truth is dat the most important thing or intetest to human beings is economic interest. It is not brotherhood, it is not religion.

The importance of Niger Delta is so obvious today. Nigeria is almost dead just because oil price drop by 70%. No fuel, no dollar, PDP/APC Governors cant pay salary all over d six geopolitical zone, inflation etc all boil down to low price of Niger Delta oil. No light is still about Niger Delta gas. The truth is dat Niger Delta is d air Nigeria breathe.

As long as Biafra Map have South South in it, Biafra will continue to be a mirrage. There will never be referedum. It can only happen by war. All most all d war in d world is about economy not religion.

If South East want to leave Nigeria without south south, Nigeria will rather encourage it than prevent it. The North Will be very happy to hear that.

enlightenedmind:
One is that freedom of association has nothing to do with Seceding a sovereign state. No one group or state has the right to do that. All Nigerians must have a referendum because this decision affects all Nigerians not just biafrans. Why Nigerians are really skeptical about voting the biafra is not because of oil or whatever. It is simply Nigerians see that the whole Biafra thing will not benefit the common Igbo man who has no political, social or financial interests in all these. It will further oppress them.
Secondly, at least more than half of Igbo people say that there is a problem in our constitution and system of govt that marginalizes some groups, not just igbos [MIDDLE-BELTANS] Have never been president too but the answer is not Biafra. Biafra is seeking ethnically clean groups, that is not possible in modern society. They say they do not want Biafra but are not happy with the current way the system is run.

That means the problem is with the constitution not tribal. Igbos forget that there are many groups maginalized here. Many, thanks to the corruption of our politicians. We must fight and eradicate corruption across all states from igbo to hausa, chriatain to muslim before we can begin to decide if we split. If there is corruption, and we split, i feel sorry for those who will find themselves in biafra. The will be looted dry.

christopher123:
Nairaland says no to Biafra
Nigerians say no to Biafra
Christian East and Niger Delta says yes

The question is why are we having nightmare ? Why are we making people to feel Igbo are special ? I am just asking these questions because I am a bit confused and I need clarification on why Nigerians and so many people are scared of Igbo leaving . me personally I am indifferent and I don't care if Biafra comes or not . if it comes fine by me and I will be happy not as an Igbo but as a Christian that wants sanity but if it doesn't come ..well what can I do? But I pray for the former than the later ...

I am writing this because I was watching BBC news and the British have seen that EU membership is not benefiting them and they want out. The Britain are voting to leave Europe union not that they are special but they want to chart their own course and find their path. They have realised that membership of EU has never benefited them and they can't understand why they should be subsidising inept European countries like Greece , Macedonia, Eastern Europe countries with tons of bailout . Britain have never been particularly about EU membership... They never endorsed Euro as a currency and they never took them serious. The only country that is interested in European union seems to be Germany ..they bank roll the expenses of those country that are inept

What is this telling us...it is a lesson to black man..it has to show us that Europe is far far ahead of us..they are light years and they understand the freedom of association and right to determine their fates. Nobody is treating and threatening British government with wars and annihilation. Obama was in UK to say happy birthday to queen but used the same time to beg Brits to stay and he subtly threatened them...they called him bluff..James Cameron was so apt and point

The will vote,the Brits will vote on a referendum so to settle this European membership once and for all.

Here in Nigeria what do we get? Savegry, killing threats and whatsoever.. We have to respect and understand the concept of sanctity of life .

I hate violence and I think that the world is watching us in whatever we are doing ..life is sacrosanct ..I think feds should call IPOB for a round table

This is a call for us to show the world that the black race has evolved and we are civilised . we can't continue living and killing ourselves we have to find love and bileteral agreement and relationship . we have to be united be you Ghana , Nigerian ,Biafra, Ethiopian etc

We can at least have an intellectual debate here why we can't and why we should ...

Happy Sunday
God be with us

enlightenedmind:
One is that freedom of association has nothing to do with Seceding a sovereign state. No one group or state has the right to do that. All Nigerians must have a referendum because this decision affects all Nigerians not just biafrans. Why Nigerians are really skeptical about voting the biafra is not because of oil or whatever. It is simply Nigerians see that the whole Biafra thing will not benefit the common Igbo man who has no political, social or financial interests in all these. It will further oppress them.
Secondly, at least more than half of Igbo people say that there is a problem in our constitution and system of govt that marginalizes some groups, not just igbos [MIDDLE-BELTANS] Have never been president too but the answer is not Biafra. Biafra is seeking ethnically clean groups, that is not possible in modern society. They say they do not want Biafra but are not happy with the current way the system is run.

That means the problem is with the constitution not tribal. Igbos forget that there are many groups maginalized here. Many, thanks to the corruption of our politicians. We must fight and eradicate corruption across all states from igbo to hausa, chriatain to muslim before we can begin to decide if we split. If there is corruption, and we split, i feel sorry for those who will find themselves in biafra. The will be looted dry.

coolitempa:
Leave me out of your bigotry....Stephen Keshi is an edoman and not biafran...come again...

keally:
. You are wrong. He is an Igbo man from Delta. His names are Stephen Okechukwu Keshi.