Barristter07:
solite3



you made this accusation because they simply ask you if you AGREE WITH THE BIBLE that Jesus will be subjected to his Father ?

respond to the question and stop this irrelevant accusations

Na their way, admitting that their belief is wrong is always difficult for them. They'll rather blindly stick to it and call you names!

dolphinheart:

yes, the disciples never prayed to become God , neither did I say so. They prayed to have the same divine nature as jesus!

do you even know the meaning of nature.the whole world is looking at ur ignorance.seriously does 2 peter 1:4 look like prayer to you. For the sake of people reading this. Divine nature means having spiritual or supernatural property it does not mean having God's nature itself.for example both man and donkey are physical but does it mean that donkey has the nature of man?

2 peter 1:4 New International Version

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

does this sound like prayer

I once asked you what is divine nature, but you refuse to answer.

I be addressed that. Funny you

having divine nature does not make you God or a God

seriously does not,

but it makes you have same nature as God!.

please explain

despite having same nature as God, it does not mean you are equal to God!

u and monkey do you have the same nature? Are u both physical beings?can u now say monkey has man nature?

two humans have the same human nature, but it does not mean that they have the same authority,[s] power , intelligence, physical or mental attributes.[/s]

D president has the highest Authority does that mean he is more human than u?does it mean he is richer,more brilliant, more powerful than everybody? Human power strength etc is dependent on many factors like training inherited traits.etc if I have the same nature with my father that is I m equal to him

Jesus HAS same nature as God in heaven, that nature is divine, but it does not make jesus equal to God(who is the father, the almighty). The scriptures makes it clear several times that the father is the God of jesus!
King James Version

stop confusing yourself with divine nature.God is divine but his nature to be precise is perculia to him
1Pe 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit, the angels are spirits, likewise those disciples will be sprits when they enter heaven, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God !
jesus is a seperate person from the father, they both have the same nature, the father is God, so jesus can be said to have same nature as God , but it does not make jesus the father, therefore it does not make jesus God!

does a spiritual creature just like saying physical creature mean having God's nature?
you can claim jesus is God cus jesus is called God, but jesus ,despite being called mighty God , still has a God superior to him, one who is called the almighty God, who is the most high!. This fact you refuse to acknowledge , cus anytime I ask you if jesus has a God that is superior to him at this moment, you refuse to answer!


as at the time this speech was made, they already have the spirit of christ in them, therefore what they are hoping for is not the spirit of christ, but a transformation of their nature from a human nature to gods nature, from a slave to children of God, from a physical body to a spiritual body, and thus be like Christ!, this is the promise, their hope.


luke 22:29,30(New International Version)
And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,

1 peter 1:3,4(New International Version)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(NLT SAYS: Now we live with great expectation)
4. and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

php 3: 20,21(New International Version)
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21. who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
read 1Co 15:44-53
when your nature changes, it simply means your nature/form changes!,




funny, so they will be like jesus because jesus is already like them! wow!. now I see why you could not support this with scripture

well the scriptures tells us better sir
1 john 3:2 (New International Version)
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

1 cor 15:49( New International Version)
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

rom 8:29 (New International Version)
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.


good, an image is a representation of oneself, it's not oneself. your image is not you, it's your image!

let me use the scriptures to explain further
1 cor 15: 49 talks about bearing two images , the one they bear, and the one they will bear. The image they bear is of the earthly one , they bore the image of adam, a human , who had human form , had human nature.
gen 5:3 (New International Version)
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
can you see that setH is the image of adam? does that mean that setH is adam? no!
does it mean that setH is equal to Adam? no!
does it mean that that setH is a human, with same nature with adam? yes!
apply that to jesus and you will understand better how jesus is the image of God .

now the verse continues to say they will bear the image of the heavenLy man, who is a spirit, with a different nature to adam. when they bear this image, does it mean they become God!? no!
therefore jesus having the image of God does not mean he is God, just as his disciples bearing the image of jesus does not mean they are jesus or become jesus!




well, it depends on the understanding of what the term God means, but the scriptures had been irrevocably clear that Jesus who is a God is subjected to someone more superior to him.

acts 4:27,30(New International Version)
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

King James Version
1Co 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.




God was never a man ? yes
jesus was a man? yes.
is jesus same person as the one who anointed him?no
who anointed jesus ? God!
is the one who anointed jesus the God of jesus? yes

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[quote author=dolphinheart post=45550887]
yes, the disciples never prayed to become God , neither did I say so. They prayed to have the same divine nature as jesus!

do you even know the meaning of nature.the whole world is looking at ur ignorance.seriously does 2 peter 1:4 look like prayer to you. For the sake of people reading this. Divine nature means a nature from God or spiritual nature does not mean having God's nature itself.for example both man and donkey are physical but does it mean that donkey has the nature of man?

2 peter 1:4 New International Version

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

does this sound like prayer

I once asked you what is divine nature, but you refuse to answer.

I have addressed that. Funny you

having divine nature does not make you God or a God

seriously does not,

but it makes you have same nature as God!.

please explain

despite having same nature as God, it does not mean you are equal to God!

u and monkey do you have the same nature? Are u both physical beings?can u now say monkey has man nature?

two humans have the same human nature, but it does not mean that they have the same authority,[s] power , intelligence, physical or mental attributes.[/s]

D president has the highest Authority does that mean he is more human than u?does it mean he is richer,more brilliant, more powerful than everybody? Human power strength etc is dependent on many factors like training inherited traits.etc if I have the same nature with my father that is I m equal to him
[/colo[color=#006600]r]

Jesus HAS same nature as God in heaven,

that nature is divine, but it does not make jesus equal to God(who is the father, the almighty). The scriptures makes it clear several times that the father is the God of jesus!

who is talking of equality
King James Version

stop confusing yourself with divine nature.God is divine but his nature to be precise is perculia to him
1Pe 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

God is a spirit, [s]Jesus is a spirit, [quote]the angels are spirits

demons are spirit that does not mean they are God by nature Galatians 4:8, l[s]

ikewise those disciples will be sprits when they enter heaven[/s],

all Christians go to heaven when they die.

for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

!
j

esus is a seperate person from the father, they both have the same nature, the father is God, so jesus can be said to have same nature as God , but it does not make jesus the father

, therefore it does not make jesus God!
[/quote

]does a spiritual creature just like saying physical creature mean having God's nature?

you can claim jesus is God cus jesus is called God

Is it now my claim what u yourself ve repeatedly said it,

but jesus ,despite being called mighty God

Jehovah is also called mighty God ,

still has a God superior to him,

which God one who is called the almighty God, who is the most high!.

Jesus is the Almighty

.This fact you refuse to acknowledge , cus anytime I ask you if jesus has a God that is superior to him at this moment, you refuse to answer!

which fact

as at the time this speech was made, they already have the spirit of christ in them, therefore what they are hoping for is not the spirit of christ, but a transformation of their nature from a human nature to gods nature,

for now the spirit of christ is the nature of christ in Christians which will transform their bodies to christ divine(resurrected body)

from a slave to children of God,

christians are no more slaves

from a physical body to a spiritual body, and thus be like Christ!, this is the promise, their hope.

spiritual body not spirit body.

luke 22:29,30(New International Version)
And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,

1 peter 1:3,4(New International Version)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(NLT SAYS: Now we live with great expectation)
4. and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

php 3: 20,21(New International Version)
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21. who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
read 1Co 15:44-53

christ glorified body

when your nature changes, it simply means your nature/form changes!,

human nature becomes divine but it still remain human




funny, so they will be like jesus because jesus is already like them! wow!. now I see why you could not support this with scripture

well the scriptures tells us better sir
1 john 3:2 (New International Version)
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

1 cor 15:49( New International Version)
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

rom 8:29 (New International Version)
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.


good, an image is a representation of oneself, it's not oneself. your image is not you, it's your image!

let me use the scriptures to explain further
1 cor 15: 49 talks about bearing two images , the one they bear, and the one they will bear. The image they bear is of the earthly one , they bore the image of adam, a human , who had human form , had human nature.
gen 5:3 (New International Version)
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
can you see that setH is the image of adam? does that mean that setH is adam? no!
does it mean that setH is equal to Adam? no!
does it mean that that setH is a human, with same nature with adam? yes!
apply that to jesus and you will understand better how jesus is the image of God .

now the verse continues to say they will bear the image of the heavenLy man, who is a spirit, with a different nature to adam. when they bear this image, does it mean they become God!? no!
therefore jesus having the image of God does not mean he is God, just as his disciples bearing the image of jesus does not mean they are jesus or become jesus!

Jesus is the second Adam Jesus is a man even in heaven.

well, it depends on the understanding of what the term God means, but the scriptures had been irrevocably clear that Jesus who is a God is subjected to someone more superior to him.

acts 4:27,30(New International Version)
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

King James Version
1Co 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.




God was never a man ? yes
jesus was a man? yes.
is jesus same person as the one who anointed him?no
who anointed jesus ? God!
is the one who anointed jesus the God of jesus? yes

God is not a term but a being.u see yourself.
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Barristter07:

johnw74





kindly provide the scripture where a disciple said to Jesus " look out, they are trying to trap you" ?

You can search the translations for it, here are similar incidents:

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

Well done good and faithful servant'

joyandfaith:
@brocab heb 1:9


New International Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
New Living Translation
You love justice and hate evil. Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
English Standard Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Berean Study Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy."
Berean Literal Bible
You have loved righteousness and have hated wickedness; because of this, God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultation above Your companions."
New American Standard Bible
"YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."
King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.
International Standard Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, anointed you rather than your companions with the oil of gladness."
NET Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. So God, your God, has anointed you over your companions with the oil of rejoicing."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“You have loved righteousness and you have hated evil; because of this, God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of a joy beyond your companions.”

nwt

You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

You JW's never use your own bibles, but yet you criticise all the other bibles, calling them false doctrines. But it doesn't stop you JW's using these so called false doctrines, to prove your point.
This is the many reasons why you JW's don't use your own bibles-because your bible doesn't hold the many bible secrets other bibles do, someone had left out the scriptures between scriptures-and it needs to fill in the gaps between these scriptures.
Sample lets look at Act 8:36, 8:38, where's 8:37
The world knows your bible is still in progress to the finish.{Are we their yet?}

joyandfaith:



why not compare nwt with 2 more translations for objective critisism

None of you JW's can answer any of the scriptures we have given you, first question was {Revelation 1:7-8} and all I had received' is the run around by you dick heads, refusing to answer the question.
And you have the cheek to question myself, when you have all proven to me you are such lairs and cheats when it comes to the word of God,
refusing to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}
Not only myself but Solite3 and others had answered {Revelation 1:4-6, Revelation 1:7-8, Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again, and still none of you can comprehend the word of God.
New World Translation bible has told the world In {Revelation 1:7-8} Jehovah God has the same qualifications as Jesus, same nature, all from the same God head {Trinity} written in full-Jehovah God is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, who is who was and who is coming, who was dead, and is a live for forevermore. Every eye will see Him coming in the clouds. Amen.
And yet I have watched you deny the truth, running too and fro from all different directions from one bible verse to another trying to prove otherwise, Listen dick heads your Greek bible scholars had written such truth in your own bibles, claiming Jehovah God is Jesus.
Accept the truth and move on.

Jozzy4:

but you didnt explain that Heb 1:9 now @ bold , why ?

johnw74

johnw74:


You can search the translations for it, here are similar incidents:


15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

NO! I did not ask for similar incident, you initial statement was a disciple said it.


now, johnw74 produce the scriptures where a disciple said to Jesus look out, they are trying to trap you ? your inability to do this will expose you as a Liar deceiving we readers.


kindly produce your proof ?

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28

Truth 101. sink that into your heart

brocab:
None of you JW's can answer any of the scriptures we have given you, first question was {Revelation 1:7-8} and all I had received' is the run around by [size=26] you dick heads, [/size] refusing to answer the question.
And you have the cheek to question myself, when you have all proven to me you are such lairs and cheats when it comes to the word of God,
refusing to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}
Not only myself but Solite3 and others had answered {Revelation 1:4-6, Revelation 1:7-8, Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again, and still none of you can comprehend the word of God.
New World Translation bible has told the world In {Revelation 1:7-8} Jehovah God has the same qualifications as Jesus, same nature, all from the same God head {Trinity} written in full-Jehovah God is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, who is who was and who is coming, who was dead, and is a live for forevermore. Every eye will see Him coming in the clouds. Amen.
And yet I have watched you deny the truth, running too and fro from all different directions from one bible verse to another trying to prove otherwise, [size=25] Listen dick heads [/size] your Greek bible scholars had written such truth in your own bibles, claiming Jehovah God is Jesus.
Accept the truth and move on.

explain heb 1:9, u are busy calling me dickhead , is that what I asked you ?

oga, explain the verse .

Its funny you JW's disagree with {Revelation 1:7-8} and this verse is written in your own bibles. I see dolphinheart had run away once more, leaving the dickhead to pick up the pieces.
We have answered {Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again and none of you can understand the scriptures.
Maybe you should answer {Hebrews 1:8-9} and fill us in how this scripture should sound? I have already heard it from dolphinheart, who is and who was, and who is coming isn't Jesus, now lets here it from you' explain {Hebrews 1:8-9}

Jozzy4:


explain heb 1:9, u are busy calling me dickhead , is that what I asked you ?

oga, explain the verse .

brocab:
Its funny you JW's disagree with {Revelation 1:7-8} and this verse is written in your own bibles. I see dolphinheart had run away once more, leaving the dickhead to pick up the pieces.
We have answered {Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again and none of you can understand the scriptures.
Maybe you should answer {Hebrews 1:8-9} and fill us in how this scripture should sound? I have already heard it from dolphinheart, who is and who was, and who is coming isn't Jesus, now lets here it from you' explain {Hebrews 1:8-9}

I promise to explain Rev1:8 once you: tell me your view on Heb 1:9 which is about Jesus having a God ?

[quote author=solite3 post=45556064][/quote]
pls adjust your posts so that I can reply

[quote author=brocab post=45574658]Its funny you JW's disagree with {Revelation 1:7-8} and this verse is written in your own bibles.[/qoute]
you are the same person saying they did not tell you about the verse, you are now saying they disagree. your hiprocricy no get gauge.

I see dolphinheart had run away once more, leaving the dickhead to pick up the pieces.

continue seeing things.

We have answered {Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again and none of you can understand the scriptures.

who be "we", pls post what "we" said, or direct us to where he said it. After then conclude the request by post next to it your views/ explanations/ understanding of reV 1:1,4-6 and also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

Maybe you should answer {Hebrews 1:8-9} and fill us in how this scripture should sound? I have already heard it from dolphinheart, who is and who was, and who is coming isn't Jesus, now lets here it from you' explain {Hebrews 1:8-9}

answer to the request and your questions will be answered

dolphinheart:


pls adjust your posts so that I can reply

dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

But please can one believe a God he doesn't understand?
Daniel definitely knows the true God and served him. He didn't serve a truine God.
It matters what we believe because Jesus said only when we know the truth will we be truly free!
Besides the fact that there is no agreement in beliefs shows some must be wrong, hence the need for us to reason on a platform like this.

The Bible doesn't discourage sharing and defending ones beliefs. Acts 17:2,3 Paul shared his beliefs with others!

goodnews201668:


But please can one believe a God he doesn't understand?
Daniel definitely knows the true God and served him. He didn't serve a truine God.
It matters what we believe because Jesus said only when we know the truth will we be truly free!
Besides the fact that there is no agreement in beliefs shows some must be wrong, hence the need for us to reason on a platform like this.

The Bible doesn't discourage sharing and defending ones beliefs. Acts 17:2,3 Paul shared his beliefs with others!

Jesus is the truth.the bible bear witness of him stop trying to use your carnal mind to understand God cause God is a spirit.

solite3:
Jesus is the truth.the bible bear witness of him stop trying to use your carnal mind to understand God cause God is a spirit.

Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right!
Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God, Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!
Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)
Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!
Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?
Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

I quoted you because you said God can't be defined, the we just believe.
That's not true it's God you define and know your God!
Besides why describe him as a truine God if you say we can't define him? That contradicts your statement. God can be defined and fortunately the Bible did, search it well. Don't believe blindly!
And the God of the Bible was never a Trinity!

goodnews201668:


Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right!
Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God, Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!
Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)
Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!
Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?
Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!

As the heavens are far above the earth so is God's way from your ways.Stop trying to put God in your small mind

goodnews201668:


Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right!
Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God, Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!
Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)
Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!
Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?
Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!

As the heavens are far above the earth so is God's way from your ways.Stop trying to limit God in your small mind

solite3:
As the heavens are far above the earth so is God's way from your ways.Stop trying to limit God in your small mind

Then when you were describing him as part of Trinity, what were you doing?

The earlier you understand the true God and serve him the better, you can't worship what you don't know!

Learning about God doesn't in anyway means you are limiting him.
You rather limit him when you define him as what he is not.

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

oGa, go and adjust that post so I can reply you. abi arranging post anyhow is now the new method of changing topic?
you removed my post and added it to yours when you quoted me, you also added some of your words to my quote.
Pls adjust the post so we know what you said I what I have said, that is not too hard a thing for you to do na.

who is scripture difficult for him to understand between me and you, is it you that refuse to qoute and explain it or me that responds to all scriptures that you quoted.

let me show who you are to the world once more
solite3 pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9
tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see if you will respond in your reply

Barristter07:
johnw74




NO! I did not ask for similar incident, you initial statement was a disciple said it.


now, johnw74 produce the scriptures where a disciple said to Jesus look out, they are trying to trap you ? your inability to do this will expose you as a Liar deceiving we readers.


kindly produce your proof ?

I don't care what false jw asked for, you will get what I give you
like I said, you can search for it,
the verses I posted show the point I was making, and that is, that false jw are modern day pharacees, that like to go around trying to trap others in their words, like they did with Jesus

false jw saying another is a liar and deceiver, that's almost funny

johnw74:


You can search the translations for it, here are similar incidents:

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

Your problem is you can't answer {Revelation 1:7-8 Nor Hebrews 1:9 or Revelation 1:4-6 nor Revelation 3:2,12} Nor can you answer any of the other scriptures I have quoted in the past pages, its not because you deny the answers, it's because you don't know the answers.
And as sad as it sounds the answers are not written in the Watchtower magazines.
And of course you are confused.
But I like {Revelation 1:17-18} When I saw Him I feel dead at His feet, And He laid His right hand on me and said: do not be afraid. I am the first and the last.
{V 18} And the living one and I became dead, but look I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the grave.
{Revelation 22:6-7,12,20} He said to me these words are faithful and true; yes Jehovah the God who inspired the prophets, has sent His angels to show His servants the things that must shortly take place.
{V 7} Look I am coming quickly, bless is he who keeps the words of this prophesy of this book.
{V 12} Behold I am coming Quickly, and My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to His work.

{V 13} I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
{V 16} I "JESUS" had sent My angels to testify to you these things in the Churches I am the root of the off spring of David, the bright and morning star.
{V 17} And the Spirit of the bride say "come" And let him who hears say "come" and let him who thirst "come" who ever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
{V 20} And the one who bears witness of these things says, Yes I am coming quickly. Amen. come Lord Jesus.
Can you answer any of these verses that is written in your bible.

You are like a broken record dolophinheart, I am still waiting for you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}

dolphinheart:


oGa, go and adjust that post so I can reply you. abi arranging post anyhow is now the new method of changing topic?
you removed my post and added it to yours when you quoted me, you also added some of your words to my quote.
Pls adjust the post so we know what you said I what I have said, that is not too hard a thing for you to do na.

who is scripture difficult for him to understand between me and you, is it you that refuse to qoute and explain it or me that responds to all scriptures that you quoted.

let me show who you are to the world once more
solite3 pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9
tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see if you will respond in your reply

johnw74

johnw74:


I don't care what false jw asked for, you will get what I give you
like I said, you can search for it,
the verses I posted show the point I was making, and that is, that false jw are modern day pharacees, that like to go around trying to trap others in their words, like they did with Jesus

false jw saying another is a liar and deceiver, that's almost funny

on May 12 at exactly 11:52am , you JOHNW74 make a false statement which is found as an outright lie. saying

Johnw74


look out Jesus, [size=27],said a disciple [/size] . they are trying to trap you

mr johnw74 claim that statement was said by a DISCIPLE

upon investigation, he himself knew its a lie .. therefore he had to say go and search for it

johnw74

like I said, you can search for it

, Àgbàyà to n pa Iró

yet this same johnw74 keep calling anyone that doesnt agree with his view false jw , either they are Jw or not !,now the table is turned against him . with this single post , mr johnw74 might get the name " lie lie John "

congratulation on your new name sir !

brocab:
You are like a broken record dolophinheart, I am still waiting for you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}

whichever one of you wants to answer it
brocab, solite3. pls pls pls qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

goodnews201668:

Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

you clearly did not understood my post.

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right!

I don't worship man's idea, worship of God is in the spirit not ideas or whatever.

Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

do you know what it meansns to know God?

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God,

certainly not the scriptures.

Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!

so says watch tower secret society.

Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)

so Jesus is not The creator again.

Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!

purely ur imagination, who told you part of God die.

Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

yes was elevated after he became a man

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?

go back and read Philippians 2 again
]Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself[/quote] you are the one who is confused.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.[/quote]what did you break down
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!
[/quote]is the bible now a false teacher

goodnews201668:


Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

you clearly did not understand my post.

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right![/quote

]I don't worship man's idea, worship of God is in the spirit not ideas or whatever.

Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

do you know what it meansns to know God?

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God,

certainly not the scriptures.

Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!

so says watch tower secret society.

Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)

so Jesus is not The creator again.

Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!

purely ur imagination, who told you part of God die.

Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

yes was elevated after he became a man

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?

go back and read Philippians 2 again
]Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself[/quote] you are the one who is confused.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.[/quote]what did you break down

Trinity was introduced by false teachers!
[/quote

]is the bible now a false teacher

dolphinheart:


oGa, go and adjust that post so I can reply you. abi arranging post anyhow is now the new method of changing topic?
you removed my post and added it to yours when you quoted me, you also added some of your words to my quote.
Pls adjust the post so we know what you said I what I have said, that is not too hard a thing for you to do na.

who is scripture difficult for him to understand between me and you, is it you that refuse to qoute and explain it or me that responds to all scriptures that you quoted.

let me show who you are to the world once more
solite3 pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9
tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see if you will respond in your reply

u clearly don't have anything to say.u said Jesus and his father have one nature but at d same time deny that Jesus is God n saying his Father is God U re really confused

solite3:
u clearly don't have anything to say.

you dnt want me to reply that post abi! so you refuse to fix it so that we know where my words ended and where yours began? no problem! continue with your ways.

u said Jesus and his father have one nature

YOU ARE A BIG LIAR SOLITE3, IVE ASKED YOU TO SHOW WHERE I MADE THE STATEMENT "JESUS AND HIS FATHER HAVE ONE NATURE" AND YOU HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO DO SO!
STOP MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS PLSSSSSSSSSSS!

but at d same time deny that Jesus is God n saying his Father is God U re really confused

solite3, pls pls quote and share your understanding of reV 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see one more time, who you really are!

you refuse to answer if jesus who is in heaven has a God!