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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by drestoneokuta(m): 6:44am On May 12, 2016
blessedvisky:
Hardmirror, I read part 1 and part 2(didnt finish both but read enough) and the people and places you mentioned are real. Dr agunloye, futa, Pastor Sola Areogun, ọba ńlá etc. However I find it very very difficult to reconcile your stories with your comments and replies to believers who are engaging you in a war of words.
I can't believe you actually had those experiences ( Word of knowledge & discernment of spirits).

You seem to me like any other regular 'hatist' (different from atheist). The hatist (my own coinage) actively opposes anything that has to do with God, faith and religion. They go as far as bringing texts from the books of religions to attack the adherents of that religion. Some characteristics they all share is Anger, hate and an incredible ability to insult. You can go through your own comments and that of your new found friends to see for yourself.

An ATHEIST on the other hand doesn't believe in God, doesn't care about religion, doesn't even talk or think about it.

I was once threading the dark and lonely Road to atheism / hatism ( 2014, no thanks to NAIRALAND) however, what I came to realise was that Atheism has NO ANSWERS!!! It just resorts to science, logic, experiences, stories (either true or untrue) and 'contradictions' in various religious books. It always looks for and rests on something else. It can't stand alone.
Science on its own is neutral (both atheist and religious people can be successful scientists). Science can't make a right thinking believer become atheist or vice versa. I'm a science student so I know this well.

Well, I wish you well on your new path. I won't pray for your redemption or your destruction ( neither of them interest Me) .

However, let me show you a verse that helped me a lot

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Call me anything you want to, I really don't care.
Good bye.

You nailed it bro, "Hatist". Satan exhibited does traits which led to the great "rebellion" Hence God changed is name from Lucifer to satan meaning "Adversary". So the OP exhibits does trait (by their fruit you shall know them).
Atheist =FOOL... Y? Because a FOOL says in his heart "there is no God" just called them fools grin
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 7:56am On May 12, 2016
kennycanny:




Pls , you and hardmirrow do not need to be childish about this whole thing.

whichever side you belong , you can still be mature about it.
It's play time. Don't forget I never created the thread to change anyone. I have told my story, and been matured in my narrative, now is time to play.
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 11:20am On May 12, 2016
HardMirror:

Since when did handicap people believing in God become a proof of God's existence

He like most other people have a choice to serve God. The boy whose case I cased you to discourse will most likely grow up and die a firm believer in God. Go to mosques all over nigeria, you will see all manner of handicapped people even in worse situation than Pastor Nick, because they are not only handicapped but in abject poverty and hopelessness. Yet the pray to God without complaining 5 times everyday.
How is that a proof of God's existence.

My request is basic and straight forward. Let us pray for this boy's miracle. Or have you written God off even before praying? wink

i never said that handicap people believing in God is a proof of God's existence, so don't be more clever than yourself. It is very clear that belief in God transcends, overcomes and overrides disability and handicap, a point you firmly hinge your atheism on. You don't believe in God primarily because there is suffering and people are not healed etc, that is proven baseless and crying more than the bereaved.
My answer is basic and straight forward, there is NO point praying for the boy's miracle in the context of God's existence. God healing or not healing him does not do anything, i reminded you of countless miracles past already. Miracles are not guarantee of people coming to God, as you yourself have agreed that even deep pain and poverty does not stop people from believing and praying to God. God's hands are not itching Him neither is He desperate to work any miracle. Two, there are gifts of the Spirit which i already mentioned. Remind us why we need to pray for the boy again?

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Weah96: 6:07pm On May 12, 2016
Believers who wanna preach with their empty mouths and useless bandwidth. Nawa o.

Meanwhile the Bible says that I'm entitled to see signs and big wonders upon command. SMH

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by udysweet(f): 8:04pm On May 12, 2016
Hmmm,easy man,don't end up falling in love with her o,lol! I remember you said smtn about never even wanting to marry someone from dis side of d divide(smtn abt the parents won't agree or so,I'm not So sure again)
Anyways popped in to see if a miracle has taken place,lol!(Of cos I'm still praying for all of u o,make una sha no eat me,lol)
*runs out of thread again without looking back*
HardMirror:

Ok point noted.
But won't keep me from challenging the norm and raising people's curiosity, that is all I want to achieve. In the end everyone decides.
There was a lovely lady that commented several times earlier. Love that lady. She read thru and posted my message was not for her we laughed about it and she left. She remains a christian (most likely). But for those giving silly analogies I will call a spade a spade.
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 5:48am On May 13, 2016
udysweet:
Hmmm,easy man,don't end up falling in love with her o,lol! I remember you said smtn about never even wanting to marry someone from dis side of d divide(smtn abt the parents won't agree or so,I'm not So sure again)
Anyways popped in to see if a miracle has taken place,lol!(Of cos I'm still praying for all of u o,make una sha no eat me,lol)
*runs out of thread again without looking back*
smiley
Hello
And what if I am already in love with her? cheesy
Thanks for the prayers at least it shows you care. But I strongly doubt if I will ever go back. It just so absurd to put faith in something I know is fabricated. Hope your business is flourishing?
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by udysweet(f): 7:06am On May 13, 2016
Hmmmm dat one na risky love,hhahahaha! One of two things:you hav succeeded in converting all of them in that family(a very impossible task)or they are whites (or blacks who at most lives abroad or have white people's orientation)daz all,lol! No wonder you call urself hardmirror,cos mirror breaks easily sometimes without even been touched but ur own different,abg wch type chemical dem use do am?so unflinching,lol! But abeg calm small,ur blood to dey hot,I see were u dey abuse some pple and dis our God wey u jus dey yab,d tin dey pain me o I no go lie. Oya promise me(by d way sebi u said I can dish a command and my servant will hear)don't yab anybody or abuse our God again mbok!lol
Business? This economic recession dey affect us too o,but we're hopeful something will turn soon in our favor.
Have a great day!
HardMirror:

smiley
Hello
And what if I am already in love with her? cheesy
Thanks for the prayers at least it shows you care. But I strongly doubt if I will ever go back. It just so absurd to put faith in something I know is fabricated. Hope your business is flourishing?
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 8:53am On May 13, 2016
udysweet:
Hmmmm dat one na risky love,hhahahaha! One of two things:you hav succeeded in converting all of them in that family(a very impossible task)or they are whites (or blacks who at most lives abroad or have white people's orientation)daz all,lol! No wonder you call urself hardmirror,cos mirror breaks easily sometimes without even been touched but ur own different,abg wch type chemical dem use do am?so unflinching,lol! But abeg calm small,ur blood to dey hot,I see were u dey abuse some pple and dis our God wey u jus dey yab,d tin dey pain me o I no go lie. Oya promise me(by d way sebi u said I can dish a command and my servant will hear)don't yab anybody or abuse our God again mbok!lol
Business? This economic recession dey affect us too o,but we're hopeful something will turn soon in our favor.
Have a great day!

Ok no more bashing sad
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by udysweet(f): 10:49am On May 13, 2016
HardMirror:


Ok no more bashing sad
Hahahahaha,why the face? Oya sorry don't feel sad*hands him nasco wafers*
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by frank317: 11:19am On May 13, 2016
blessedvisky:

An ATHEIST on the other hand doesn't believe in God, doesn't care about religion, doesn't even talk or think about it.


Good bye.

You cant just make statements without thinking it through,
So if an atheist does not think or talk about religion, how does he express his disbelieve in God? dont tell me people know atheist from the ministration of the holyspirit.

Ya right, once someone expresses his disbelieve in your mythical God, he stops being an atheist but a 'hatist'. How do you guys even think? You must think atheists should be dumb. You want them to remain silent just because an expression of a disbelieve in God hurts you.

listen, people always talk about ridiculous believes and ideas, if an atheists thinks your believe is ridiculous dont expect him not to talk about it... thinking he is a hatist is actually your mind playing tricks on you as usual.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by frank317: 11:24am On May 13, 2016
Image123:


i never said that handicap people believing in God is a proof of God's existence, so don't be more clever than yourself. It is very clear that belief in God transcends, overcomes and overrides disability and handicap, a point you firmly hinge your atheism on. You don't believe in God primarily because there is suffering and people are not healed etc, that is proven baseless and crying more than the bereaved.
My answer is basic and straight forward, there is NO point praying for the boy's miracle in the context of God's existence. God healing or not healing him does not do anything, i reminded you of countless miracles past already. Miracles are not guarantee of people coming to God, as you yourself have agreed that even deep pain and poverty does not stop people from believing and praying to God. God's hands are not itching Him neither is He desperate to work any miracle. Two, there are gifts of the Spirit which i already mentioned. Remind us why we need to pray for the boy again?

seriously, what is the function of believing in God? of what purpose is it?

God is not eager to heal anyone... perhaps he is not eager to help the needy too. He just wants to sit on the throne and receive praises he does not deserve.
according to you, ones situation shouldnt stop one from believing in God... so what should make one believe in God?

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 11:45am On May 13, 2016
blessedvisky:


An ATHEIST on the other hand doesn't believe in God, doesn't care about religion, doesn't even talk or think about it.

That means that it is impossible to be an atheist in nigeria because somehow somehow you'll be forced to have an opinion on all that is going on around you and the minute you form that opinion you are no longer an atheist but a hatist.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 4:53pm On May 13, 2016
PastorAIO:


That means that it is impossible to be an atheist in nigeria because somehow somehow you'll be forced to have an opinion on all that is going on around you and the minute you form that opinion you are no longer an atheist but a hatist.
No reply from you.
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 5:03pm On May 13, 2016
MizyB:

No reply from you.

Sorry o, I bin think say na rhetorical question.



MizyB:

Sir, what are you really?

I'm usually classified an homosapiens sapiens. As to what kind of pastor I am, I would say that I was the most flavoursome kind. The kind you'd love to just wrap your arms around and squeeze gently as you handle and caress.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 5:12pm On May 13, 2016
PastorAIO:


Sorry o, I bin think say na rhetorical question.





I'm usually classified an homosapiens sapiens. As to what kind of pastor I am, I would say that I was the most flavoursome kind. The kind you'd love to just wrap your arms around and squeeze gently as you handle and caress.
Do you believe in God?
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 5:30pm On May 13, 2016
MizyB:

Do you believe in God?

There are parts of my experience that I identify as God. Whether that is the same as what you call God though… I cannot answer. Probably not.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 5:48pm On May 13, 2016
MizyB:
Do you believe in God?
If I may air a general opinion from this question...

PastorAIO is one of the most spiritual on this platform. His spirituality is so simple and down to earth that it is highly difficult for conditioned and biased minds to understand.

My advice is to read his writings with the heart, and to love him and everyone as they are.

Greetings.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by omotroyz(m): 6:54pm On May 13, 2016
well, I am not of the Christian faith, but seriously the way people take this church and miracle thing to be enh, it has turned to something else.
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lepasharon(f): 7:25pm On May 13, 2016
PastorAIO:


There are parts of my experience that I identify as God. Whether that is the same as what you call God though… I cannot answer. Probably not.


Are you an ex pastor too?

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 7:34pm On May 13, 2016
Antiparticle:
Astute response. I couldn't have written this as well as you just did.
I appreciate it smiley
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 7:44pm On May 13, 2016
joshysmartie:


So in essense I can get bones of millions of this in museum? Thats they extinct or what?
There aren't millions of fossils of the common ancestor...

That image was clearly made by someone who does not actually understand the topic of human evolution and thought he was being smart. Humans are not the progeny of chimpanzees -- what the image was probably referring to us having "millions of fossils of". The (now extinct) common ancestor we share with chimpanzees was an ape (as we are) that shared some characteristics with both chimps and humans, but was not "chimp" or "human" and had some unique traits of its own. We have very few fossils of all our ancestral species (& all extinct species) due to the very meticulous & rare process of fossil formation.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 7:51pm On May 13, 2016
lepasharon:


Are you an ex pastor too?

my ministry na never ending.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 8:00am On May 14, 2016
PastorAIO:


There are parts of my experience that I identify as God. Whether that is the same as what you call God though… I cannot answer. Probably not.

Probably.


Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 8:21am On May 14, 2016
LoJ:

If I may air a general opinion from this question...

PastorAIO is one of the most spiritual on this platform. His spirituality is so simple and down to earth that it is highly difficult for conditioned and biased minds to understand.

My advice is to read his writings with the heart, and to love him and everyone as they are.

Greetings.
Hello LoJ


I respect PastorAIO and I read his writings with the heart. For me to love him as he is, I should know what/who he is. There's no better way to know this than asking him myself.


Blessings.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 8:31am On May 14, 2016
MizyB:
Hello LoJ
.
Hello MizyB,

Thank you for your remarks. My post did not intend to judge you, or to say that you did wrong by asking him that question. Actually I just used your post to make a more general comment on PastorAIO for all.

You are great.

Good day to you.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 10:40am On May 14, 2016
LoJ:

Hello MizyB,

Thank you for your remarks. My post did not intend to judge you, or to say that you did wrong by asking him that question. Actually I just used your post to make a more general comment on PastorAIO for all.

You are great.

Good day to you.

Thanks for the appreciation. It's very kind.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 10:46am On May 14, 2016
MizyB:

Probably.


Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

Even this is not such a simple question. Do you mean as a historical figure? If so, then I believe that plenty of jara has been added to the history of the historical figure. In fact it may actually be more than one historical figure rolled into one.

If you mean Christ as a spiritual experience, then yes I have experiences that I identify as Christ.

I imagine that my case is so different from the 'norm' that one could quite easily declare that I am not a christian. After all if we keep hearing that Catholics are not christians then what chance have I got. Either way, I'm not really bothered.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 12:52pm On May 14, 2016
PastorAIO:


Even this is not such a simple question. Do you mean as a historical figure? If so, then I believe that plenty of jara has been added to the history of the historical figure. In fact it may actually be more than one historical figure rolled into one.

If you mean Christ as a spiritual experience, then yes I have experiences that I identify as Christ.

I imagine that my case is so different from the 'norm' that one could quite easily declare that I am not a christian. After all if we keep hearing that Catholics are not christians then what chance have I got. Either way, I'm not really bothered.

Even this is not such a simple answer smiley


Thank you so much for your time. Your head is there, Pastor.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 12:53pm On May 14, 2016
LoJ:

Hello MizyB,

Thank you for your remarks. My post did not intend to judge you, or to say that you did wrong by asking him that question. Actually I just used your post to make a more general comment on PastorAIO for all.

You are great.

Good day to you.
smiley
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 6:15pm On May 14, 2016
cloudgoddess:

There aren't millions of fossils of the common ancestor...

That image was clearly made by someone who does not actually understand the topic of human evolution and thought he was being smart. Humans are not the progeny of chimpanzees -- what the image was probably referring to us having "millions of fossils of". The (now extinct) common ancestor we share with chimpanzees was an ape (as we are) that shared some characteristics with both chimps and humans, but was not "chimp" or "human" and had some unique traits of its own. We have very few fossils of all our ancestral species (& all extinct species) due to the very meticulous & rare process of fossil formation.

Nice u very vast in this evolution thingy.. Can I pm for details?

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 6:42am On May 16, 2016
joshysmartie:


Nice u very vast in this evolution thingy.. Can I pm for details?
Of course smiley
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Image123(m): 5:28pm On May 16, 2016
frank317:


seriously, what is the function of believing in God? of what purpose is it?

God is not eager to heal anyone... perhaps he is not eager to help the needy too. He just wants to sit on the throne and receive praises he does not deserve.
according to you, ones situation shouldnt stop one from believing in God... so what should make one believe in God?

The main 'function' of believing in God is forgiveness of sins and the gift of righteousness, which then guarantees eternal life with God both now and in the afterlife. i am not denying additions, please take note. The miraculous is very real. God provides for people, heals people, protects people etc. But don't miss the point or get it twisted. Those are not scientific things that will probably be repeated continuously like gravity. Guaranteeing an eternity of over a billion years by believing in God who talks about over a billion years is a good investment by any standard. Why do you think that God does not deserve praises? What makes anyone to deserve praises? The problem with you guys is that you make for yourself a definition of God, and then expect God must meet your definition of God hence He is not God. That is the most silly thing. It is like me saying my definition of a human being is someone who flies and has three heads. So i look round and i see nobody like that. Therefore, there is no human being. All these over 7billion are not human beings. It is a similar thing you do with God. You give no example, just your definition of what you think God must be to exist.

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