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above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God ,[/b]

[/quote]these were your word's dolphineheart


phil 2:7 English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus was so humble that he agreed to take the form of a servant, so as to carry out the instructions of the highest majesty. so that God's purpose might be fulfilled.

. Jesus was not said to take the form of an angel, he took the form of a human,

aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.

dolphineheart where are you?

2peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature(God's nature) having escaped the corruption that is in the word through lost.
Christians are partakers of christ nature,christ became a man to create a new breed of humans who possesses an incorruptible nature. Partaking in the divine nature means endowing the human nature with divine properties,that is the reason the holy spirit transforms the believer.this is not a prayer like jws says.this does not mean a Christian is now God.

solite3:
I don't worship man's idea, worship of God is in the spirit not ideas or whatever.
do you know what it meansns to know God?

certainly not the scriptures.so says watch tower secret society.
so Jesus is not The creator again.
purely ur imagination, who told you part of God die.
yes was elevated after he became a man
go back and read Philippians 2 again
]Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself you are the one who is confused.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.what did you break down
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!
is the bible now a false teacher

1:Does worshiping God in truth means we accept Trinity, a false doctrine?

2:All evidences here has proven that the Bible doesn't support Trinity, did anyone qouted watchtower for you? Or you are just looking for excuse?

3:Are you saying God didn't created Jesus? When the Bible has said so? Na waoo.

4:
" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28
God is always the Almighty and doesn't subject himself to anyone but Bible clearly shows Jesus was made to subject to him!

Like I keep saying you must know your God, not a matter of saying you are serving him In spirit.

The true God of the Bible is ONE and has a son Jesus Christ who's also a subject to him!

is the bible now a false teacher [/quote]The Bible never said Jesus and God was equal you false teachers said so.

The son was created!
He was seen by men while he walked the earth, you can't never see God in any fashion and live!
The son died, can Almighty God die for any reason?
Some of the reasons that tells you they not equal neither are they the same person.

Before I go into your post, I'll like to remind you of the questions you have vehemently refused to answer, and scriptures you have refused to respond to up till now!

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
"maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9"

Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2......"

up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17,  who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

Up till now you could not provide an answer!

I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them."

Now let's look at your muddled up post.

solite3:
these were your word's dolphineheart


phil 2:7 English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus was so humble that he agreed to take the form of a servant, so as to carry out the instructions of the highest majesty. so that God's purpose might be fulfilled.

. Jesus was not said to take the form of an angel, he took the form of a human,
aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
dolphineheart where are you?

solite3, these are my exact words below:
"the above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God , did not count it that he can be equal to God , a sharp contrast from Satan."

this is what you said I said:

u said Jesus and his father have one nature

can you see it has been proven that you are a liar now?

You still make false acussations despite d fact that I went further to explain what having the same nature means!

other questions you have refused to answer :

"You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed jesus? who is that person to jesus?

You are wasting my time, you can't answer your bible's mistakes. nor can you answer any of the scriptures that's been written.
The New World Translation bible had proven Jehovah God is Christ Himself. {Revelation 1:1-8,12-13, 17-18. Revelation 22:6-7, 12-13, 16-17, 20 And the One who bears witness of these things say's "Yes I am coming quickly" Amen! "Come Lord Jesus"}
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dolphinheart:
whichever one of you wants to answer it
brocab, solite3. pls pls pls qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

Barristter07:
johnw74



on May 12 at exactly 11:52am , you JOHNW74 make a false statement which is found as an outright lie. saying




mr johnw74 claim that statement was said by a DISCIPLE

upon investigation, he himself knew its a lie .. therefore he had to say go and search for it


, Àgbàyà to n pa Iró

yet this same johnw74 keep calling anyone that doesnt agree with his view false jw , either they are Jw or not !,now the table is turned against him . with this single post , mr johnw74 might get the name " lie lie John "

congratulation on your new name sir !

false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

go to bed little girl

johnw74:
the verses I posted show the point I was making, and that is, that false jw are modern day pharacees, that like to go around trying to trap others in their words, like they did with Jesus

false jw saying another is a liar and deceiver, that's almost funny

johnw74:
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

{Revelation 1:7-8}

dolphinheart:
you dnt want me to reply that post abi! so you refuse to fix it so that we know where my words ended and where yours began? no problem! continue with your ways.




YOU ARE A BIG LIAR SOLITE3, IVE ASKED YOU TO SHOW WHERE I MADE THE STATEMENT "JESUS AND HIS FATHER HAVE ONE NATURE" AND YOU HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO DO SO!
STOP MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS PLSSSSSSSSSSS!


solite3, pls pls quote and share your understanding of reV 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see one more time, who you really are!

you refuse to answer if jesus who is in heaven has a God!

goodnews201668:
1:Does worshiping God in truth means we accept Trinity, a false doctrine?

so the bible is now a false doctrine continue
2

:All evidences here has proven that the Bible doesn't support Trinity, did anyone qouted watchtower for you? Or you are just looking for excuse?

[/quote]Evidence in your magazine,oga which evidence

]3:Are you saying God didn't created Jesus? When the Bible has said so? Na waoo.

[/quote]please kindly post it for the world to see

4:
" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28
God is always the Almighty and doesn't subject himself to anyone but Bible clearly shows Jesus was made to subject to him!

[/quote]I m not surprise d way u misinterprets bible even devil did it.

Like I keep saying you must know your God, not a matter of saying you are serving him In spirit.

keep on following man's idea of God.

The true God of the Bible is ONE and has a son Jesus Christ who's also a subject to him!

[/quote]so that's what u know about God.

dolphinheart:
Before I go into your post, I'll like to remind you of the questions you have vehemently refused to answer, and scriptures you have refused to respond to up till now!

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
"maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9"

Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2......"

up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17,  who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

Up till now you could not provide an answer!

I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them."

Now let's look at your muddled up post.



solite3, these are my exact words below:
"the above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God , did not count it that he can be equal to God , a sharp contrast from Satan."

this is what you said I said:


can you see it has been proven that you are a liar now?

You still make false acussations despite d fact that I went further to explain what having the same nature means!

other questions you have refused to answer :

"You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed jesus? who is that person to jesus?

dolphineheart u are hilarious, u said Jesus has the same nature with God.what is the nature of God?

If I show you in the Bible Jesus was created will you take it? Let's start there.

solite3:
so the bible is now a false doctrine continue
2Evidence in your magazine,oga which evidence
]3:Are you saying God didn't created Jesus? When the Bible has said so? Na waoo.please kindly post it for the world to see
4:
" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28
God is always the Almighty and doesn't subject himself to anyone but Bible clearly shows Jesus was made to subject to him!
I m not surprise d way u misinterprets bible even devil did it.
Like I keep saying you must know your God, not a matter of saying you are serving him In spirit.keep on following man's idea of God.

The true God of the Bible is ONE and has a son Jesus Christ who's also a subject to him! so that's what u know about God.

brocab:
You are wasting my time, you can't answer your bible's mistakes. nor can you answer any of the scriptures that's been written.
The New World Translation bible had proven Jehovah God is Christ Himself. {Revelation 1:1-8,12-13, 17-18. Revelation 22:6-7, 12-13, 16-17, 20 And the One who bears witness of these things say's "Yes I am coming quickly" Amen! "Come Lord Jesus"}
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pls pls pls brocab , qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12
DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

you already have a long list of unanswered questions and scriptures you have so far refused to quote and explain

hundreds of places where it occured in the scriptures. 
This removal has affected your knowledge on who the true God is: 

[b]Note :
you have refused to: 

Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
Up till now you could not provide an answer!
I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "

you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below

solite3:
dolphineheart u are hilarious, u said Jesus has the same nature with God.what is the nature of God?

solite3, pls answer the questions above!
ill answer the question once you admit you raised false accusation against me, of which I've proved it to be false!

goodnews201668:
If I show you in the Bible Jesus was created will you take it? Let's start there.

quote it

dolphinheart:
1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
Up till now you could not provide an answer!
I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "

you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below




solite3, pls answer the questions above!
ill answer the question once you admit you raised false accusation against me, of which I've proved it to be false!

I thank God you agreed that Jesus has the same nature as God how many times will I answer your questions .

solite3:
quote it

This is just one of them, I know you'll dance your way round it.


Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God!

goodnews201668:
This is just one of them, I know you'll dance your way round it.


Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God!

I don't dance around scriptures like u do. As for the quote.The beginning of God's creature means the source of God's creation. John1:3

goodnews201668:
This is just one of them, I know you'll dance your way round it.


Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God!

I don't dance around scriptures like u do. As for the quote.The beginning of God's creation means the source of God's creation. John1:3.let scripture interpret itself.

solite3:
I thank God you agreed that Jesus has the same nature as God

I be said that siiiiiiiiince! are you just reading it?, no wonder you kept laying false accusations

how many times will I answer your questions .

once is enough sir . but since you have not answered it, ill post it here again


[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?


I'll also add this :
" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "
you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below
solite3, pls answer the questions above!

johnw74

johnw74:
false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

go to bed little girl

lie lie john , a Disciple said it


Àgbàyà to n pa iró

Truth is bitter but must be said. bible say beware of false teachers who brings destructive heresis. denying the master who taught them, these false teachers make their ways to houses to capture weak women (weak hearted ones), these false teachers are jehovahs witnesses, their founder charles taze russel was taught by an adventist teacher and he imported their doctrines, they made some fake calculations to predict he end of the world, wen the group first predicted 1912 and nothing happened, they said it was a mistake in calculation which was later finalized to 1914, when nothing happened it was concluded that jesus has returned invisibly which led to the downfall of the group, they confuse people today using the invisible holyspirit for the return of christ in 1914, why people called them cult is because early jehovahs witnesses are buried in caves with a symbol of cross at the entrance, they also make people believe they are the only acceptable people by God which is false,

solite3:
I don't dance around scriptures like u do. As for the quote.The beginning of God's creation means the source of God's creation. John1:3.let scripture interpret itself.

Na waoo, so this is how you understand your Bible?!
John 1:3

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
King James Version (KJV)

Does this place mean Jesus wasn't created?
Of course not.

Read that revelations 3:14 very well.
that place said beginning of the creation of God, unless you are trying to add to what the Bible said.




Another portion that shows Jesus was created.
Various Bible translations
> Colossians > Chapter 1 > Verse 15

◄ Colossians 1:15 ►
New International Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Berean Study Bible
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Berean Literal Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

New American Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

King James Bible
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

International Standard Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

NET Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

charle taze russel divorced his wife and refused to pay increase in alimony. attorney fees and court cost, after this deceitful false teacher died, rutherford his next predicted that abraham. isaac and jacob would ressurect in 1925 and when his prediction failed. he said i made an ass of myself which was clearly stated in watchtower oct 1 1984 pg24, the house he builded for abraham. isaac and jacob was where he was buried,

also jehovahs witness dont baptize in river or flowing stream, the dug a little reservoir on the altar of their assembly hall, they claimed rivers and streams are polluted so they ask the converts to wear white cloth and they would remove the rug on their altar and call hefty men to remove the slab of the reservoir just under the preaching podium and their convert follow the stairs down into the underground hole to be baptized, what a pity

goodnews201668:

Na waoo, so this is how you understand your Bible?!
John 1:3
“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
King James Version (KJV)

u quoted it.

Does this place mean Jesus wasn't created?
Of course not.

purely your own imagination

Read that revelations 3:14 very well.
that place said beginning of the creation of God, unless you are trying to add to what the Bible said

Wat did I add.

Another portion that shows Jesus was created.
Various Bible translations
> Colossians > Chapter 1 > Verse 15
◄ Colossians 1:15 ►
New International Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Berean Study Bible
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Berean Literal Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,
New American Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
King James Bible
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
International Standard Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
NET Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

first born means the most exalted.psalm89:27

Na waoo, so this is how you understand your Bible?!
John 1:3
“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
King James Version (KJV)

u quoted it.
[quote[/quote]]Does this place mean Jesus wasn't created?
Of course not.[/quote]purely your own imagination

Read that revelations 3:14 very well.
that place said beginning of the creation of God, unless you are trying to add to what the Bible said

Wat did I add.

Another portion that shows Jesus was created.
Various Bible translations
> Colossians > Chapter 1 > Verse 15
◄ Colossians 1:15 ►
New International Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Berean Study Bible
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Berean Literal Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,
New American Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
King James Bible
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
International Standard Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
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He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

[/quote]first born means the most exalted.psalm89:27

So what is the truth about Jesus, Why did Jesus the messiah avoided His true Identity? Jesus never said clearly in so many words "I am God" but He did say indirectly:
{John 6:41-42} At this the Jews began to grumble about Him because He said, "I Am the bread that came down from Heaven" They said is this not Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can He say, I came down from Heaven"?"
{John 8:58} I tell you the truth, "Jesus answered , before Abraham was born "I Am" At this they picked up stones to stone Him.
{John 6:35} I Am the bread of life.
{John 8:12} I Am the Light of the world.
{John 10:9} I Am the gate.
{John 10:11} I Am the good shepherd.
{John 11:25} I Am the resurrection & the Life.
{John 14:6} I Am the way & the truth and the life.
{John 15:1} I Am the true vine.
{Exodus 3:14} {Note "I Am" is the name God used for Himself when He spoke to Moses. Stoning was the punishment for blasphemy prescribed in the Mosaic Law}
What did Jesus mean when He said I and the Father are One?
{John 10:30} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim I and the Father are one. it was a bold statement-one His audience found quite audacious-and it reveals much about who Jesus is.
Do I go on?

dolphinheart:
whichever one of you wants to answer it
brocab, solite3. pls pls pls qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

Barristter07:
johnw74




lie lie john , a Disciple said it


Àgbàyà to n pa iró

on top of all that below
it appears ac jw is queer as well, queer as can be

johnw74:
false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

go to bed little girl

solite3:
first born means the most exalted.psalm89:27

See you, firstborn now means exalted? Maybe you are here to mock yourself, continue. The Bible clearly stated he's the firstborn of all creation and you saying another thing to siut your false doctrine.

johnw74

johnw74:
on top of all that below it appears ac jw is queer as well, queer as can be

your lie can blow transformer
Lie Lie john , a disciple said it

Barristter07:
johnw74



your lie can blow transformer

Lie Lie john , a disciple said it

No, by your own words you are certainly queer



I will show you lies:


The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct Biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's Word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21).

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?

[size=14pt]Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies[/size]

by Matt Slick


https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies




Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

goodnews201668:
See you, firstborn now means exalted? Maybe you are here to mock yourself, continue. The Bible clearly stated he's the firstborn of all creation and you saying another thing to siut your false doctrine.

so the bible is now a false teaching? All I ve done is give verses that shows you d meaning of what you quoted and u said I mock myself.may God forgive and help you.