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johnw74:
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No, by your own words you are certainly queer



I will show you lies:


The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct Biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's Word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21).

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?

[size=14pt]Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies[/size]

by Matt Slick


https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies




Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.
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Lie Lie John

a DISCIPLE said it

Barristter07:
johnw74



Lie Lie John

a DISCIPLE said it

What does "Àgbàyà to n pa iró" say in English?

solite3:
so the bible is now a false teaching? All I ve done is give verses that shows you d meaning of what you quoted and u said I mock myself.may God forgive and help you.

Which meaning? Hmmmm, so are you saying Jesus wasn't created? Smh for you, you are the one that needs help. For real.

dolphinheart:
I be said that siiiiiiiiince! are you just reading it?, no wonder you kept laying false accusations


once is enough sir . but since you have not answered it, ill post it here again


[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?


I'll also add this :
" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "
you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below
solite3, pls answer the questions above!

dolphineheart be truthful and civilize.I ve answered u before. U ve ignored all my posts. u re not worth my attention

johnw74:
What does "Àgbàyà to n pa iró" say in English?

I will advise u to ignore Barrister he is fond of twisting word's n raining insults.

goodnews201668:
[s]Which meaning? Hmmmm, so are you saying Jesus wasn't created? Smh for you, you are the one that needs help. For real.

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solite3

solite3:
I will advise u to ignore Barrister he is fond of twisting word's n raining insults.

hahahaha another lie, show me what I twisted in johnw74's post ? show me !!!!

Will you say that statement he attributed to a Disciple is not False ?

solite3:
I will advise u to ignore Barrister he is fond of twisting word's n raining insults.

And what does this your man do? Check his post and tell me if that's how a normal talk. Well you won't say the truth about him, by the way talking about twisting you do that more. I just showed you portions of the Bible that says Jesus was created you twisted them to suit your doctrine.

goodnews201668:
[s]And what does this your man do? Check his post and tell me if that's how a normal talk. Well you won't say the truth about him, by the way talking about twisting you do that more. I just showed you portions of the Bible that says Jesus was created you twisted them to suit your doctrine.

[/s] He is exposing your lies n watch tower society instead of you ranting I expected u to find out for urself. Who is twisting scriptures BTW u n I,u want me to believe what d bible does not teach.

johnw74:
What does "Àgbàyà to n pa iró" say in English?

Since barristter is scared to reply, I add cowards to his list

johnw74:
false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

false jw have shown themselves to be queer as can be

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be cowards

johnw74

johnw74:
Since barristter is scared to reply, I add cowards to his list

hahahaha shameless liar, Agbaya


" look out Jesus, [size=26] said a disciple, [/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74
lie lie John,

solite3:
[/s] He is exposing your lies n watch tower society instead of you ranting I expected u to find out for urself. Who is twisting scriptures BTW u n I,u want me to believe what d bible does not teach.

See who's talking, do you know what the Bible teaches?
I qoute straight and simple scriptures you twisted them, in fact you fall my hand big time.
Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Read it again, Jesus is beginning of God's creation!

brocab:
So what is the truth about Jesus, Why did Jesus the messiah avoided His true Identity?

Jesus did not avoid his identity , he said who he is, where He came from, why he came and who sent him many times!, over and over again. below are just a few!

[b]King James Version
Joh 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, [color=red]but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

King James Version
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME.

King James Version
Joh 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came FROM God; neither came I of myself, but HE sent me.

* What have we learnt so far
1. Jesus came from heaven
2. He came down from heaven cus he was sent by someone else,
3. He came to earth to do the will(order/command) of the person that sent him
4. The person who sent him is the father
5. The father is God !
let's continue.....

[b]King James Version
Joh 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

King James Version
Joh 3:16,18For God so loved the world, THAT HE GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

King James Version
1Jo 4:9,10.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that HE loved us, and SENT HIS Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.

King James Version
Lu 22:41, 42And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

King James Version
1Jo 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

King James Version
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.[/b]

* What did this scriptures teach us
1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God
2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father
3. God send his son to the world
4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life
5. The son is a different person from God
6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below.
7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God!
8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death
9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than jesus, the father is God of jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him!
10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind
11. Jesus was sent to save makind
12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children
13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life

Following (4)above, I'll like to ask you if you believe in Jesus when he told us who our God is in John 20 :17
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

brocab, can you explain the coloured parts of these scripture:
[b]King James Version
Ac 17:30,31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31.Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

for more better understanding of jesus and his relationship to his God and Father , read John chapter 5 and chapter 17

Jesus never said clearly in so many words "I am God" but He did say indirectly:

your preference to accept indirect, derived, man made beliefs instead of the direct words of God, Jesus and his disciples is a very bad thing!
jesus had DIRECTLY told you who sent him, why he was sent, who he is, his relationship with the one who sent him.
1.The father had said Jesus is his son, that he anointed him
2. Jesus has said the father is his God and father, that he sent him, that he is superior to him
3. The disciples had repeatedly said we have only one God who is the father , the God of jesus.

you refuse this direct statements but believe supposed indirect statements.
indirect is another word for twisting what the scriptures said , while deliberately ignoring direct words from God.

{John 6:41-42} At this the Jews began to grumble about Him because He said, "I Am the bread that came down from Heaven" They said is this not Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can He say, I came down from Heaven"?"

because he was sent to be the bread! he is not the same person as God who sent him!

{John 8:58} I tell you the truth, "Jesus answered , before Abraham was born "I Am" At this they picked up stones to stone Him.

Jesus existed before Abraham, he was the begginING of the creation of God

{John 6:35} I Am the bread of life.

yes, cus God gave him the ability and authority to give us life!

{John 8:12} I Am the Light of the world.

King James Version
Isa 49:6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: [/color=red]I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.[/color]

{John 10:9} I Am the gate.

King James Version
Joh 10:9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

{John 10:11} I Am the good shepherd.

King James Version
Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, THAT BROUGHT AGAIN from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

{John 11:25} I Am the resurrection & the Life.

King James Version
Joh 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

King James Version
Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;

{John 14:6} I Am the way & the truth and the life.

way to who ? his God and father!

{John 15:1} I Am the true vine.
{Exodus 3:14} {Note "I Am" is the name God's used for Himself when He spoke to Moses. Stoning was the punishment for blasphemy prescribed in the Mosaic Law}

quote those sriptures and let's examine

* readers should note by now that apart from using an indirect way, he is cutting part of the same statements that will not surpport his indirect beliefs off, hens I had to post those scriptures fully.

What did Jesus mean when He said I and the Father are One?

because jesus and the father are united, have same purpose, the fulfillment of the fathers will. The same oneness that a husband and wife should have, the same oneness that the disciples are encouraged to develop and have! so that they may also be one with jesus and God!

{John 10:30} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim I and the Father are one. it was a bold statement-one His audience found quite audacious-and it reveals much about who Jesus is.
Do I go on?

go and read the scriptures brocab, Jesus told them again and again that he is the son of God, and not God himself. God being the father who the Jews had no problem with.
The father is greater than I AM, Jesus said!

NOTE: you have refused to respond to the request , nor the scriptures quoted to you!

Barristter07:
johnw74



hahahaha shameless liar, Agbaya



"
look out Jesus, [size=26] said a disciple, [/size] they are trying to trap you
" johnw74

lie lie John,

I only speak English but a coward still posts words to me in another language

more false jw lies for you:

Jehovah's Witness doctrine is not from the Bible alone
Many Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you that they derive their doctrines from the Bible and only from the Bible. In reality, they derive their doctrines from what the Watchtower says about the Bible. Following are various quotes that demonstrate this fact.

If the Witness says that he learns his theology by reading the Bible alone, then he contradicts the Watchtower which says that is not possible:
"Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus' ransom, the difference between God's organization and Satan's, nor why God has permitted wickedness," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1990, p. 19).
"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587).
Additionally, the Watchtower says only its organization understands the Bible.
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8
Therefore, whatever argument the JW offers is not from their understanding of the Bible but from the Watchtower's interpretation of it.
Can the Watchtower be trusted and especially since it has made false prophecies?
" . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
"There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
"Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
The Watchtower says if you read the Bible alone, you'll become a Trinitarian.
"From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude . . . They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ï'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago . . . ," (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1981).
What are the apostate doctrines of 100 years ago? Why, the Trinity of course.
Obviously, the Watchtower organization tells its members what to believe. From the last quote, we can clearly see that the Bible teaches Trinitarianism since that is what we would conclude if we simply read the Bible without the Watchtower guiding our thoughts.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witness-doctrine-not-from-bible-alone

solite3:
dolphineheart be truthful and civilized.

I'm definitely truth full and civilization sir

I ve answered u before. U ve ignored all my posts. u re not worth my attention

no you have not, hence I post it again for you to see.


[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

I'll also add this :
" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "
you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below
solite3, pls answer the questions above!

Barristter07:
johnw74

[s]Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.[/s]

Lie Lie John

a DISCIPLE said it

It's not suprising that false jw strikes out God's inspired word,
since antichrist jw disbelieve so many verses and change the meaning of much more

We Christians' would never strike out God's inspired word

Dolphineheart when you asked to quote rev1:4-6

dolphineheart d issue was initially about who rev1:8 is referring to before u referred back to revelation1:4 which of course is not the issue.thats y I ignored it. as for who was speaking in revelation1:8 brocab answered rightly.
since u ve brought revelation1:4-6 let's c what it says
vs4 JOHN to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which was, and which is to come(referring to The father);and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne( referring to the Holy Spirit)
vs5 And from Jesus Christ,who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the faithful witness,and the first begotten of the of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
vs6 And hath made is kings and and priest unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.Amen.
hope I av addressed it. I will c if u will not refer back to rev1:8( which is the main issue n which had been addressed)

[ author=solite3 post=45408248] i av addressed the issue of who was talking in Revelation 1,2&3 it is Jesus.as for heb1:9 brocab addressed it before I don' t like going back to things.
Hebrews1:9 Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This is in reference to Christ earthly ministry when Christ was anointed with the holy spirit(oil of gladness) without measure everyman that has ever receive the holy spirit was with measure but Christ own was without measure.Just as every man has a God so also Christ as a man has a God. This tells you Christ is a perfect man

[/quote]this was how I answered heb1:9 Mr dolphineheart do you now c that u need God's mercy?

D whole world can c ur lies dolphineheart.lies which are false witnesses trade mark.Barrister quoted half of my words n started contradicting himself with it.dolphinsheart said Jesus has same nature as the father n when I quoted him he started attacking it. Goodnews said Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD but when I showed him where Jehovah was also called THE MIGHTY GOD he suddenly change topic.@jws Who do u think u re deceiving. I don't take u serious anymore

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45672396]I'm definitely truth full and civilization sir

keep fooling yourself,I use mobile phone that is why there were errors in my posts n why I always avoid repetition n writing long posts.

solite3:
D whole world can c ur lies dolphineheart.lies which are false witnesses trade mark.Barrister quoted half of my words n started contradicting himself with it.dolphinsheart said Jesus has same nature as the father n when I quoted him he started attacking it. Goodnews said Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD but when I showed him where Jehovah was also called THE MIGHTY GOD he suddenly change topic.@jws Who do u think u re deceiving. I don't take u serious anymore

Why are you jumping from here to here? Anyways that a sign of a confused person.
Did we ever talked Jesus being the mighty God?
Listen my discussion with you has been about Jesus being a subject to the Almighty God and that he was created.
I have shown you from the scriptures that he subject himself to his father and he was also created by his father yet you ignored it and u are here saying another thing, you are truly confused.

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goodnews201668:
[s]
Why are you jumping from here to here? [s]Anyways that a sign of a confused person.[/s]
Did we ever talked Jesus being the mighty God?
Listen my discussion with you has been about Jesus being a subject to the Almighty God and that he was created.
I have shown you from the scriptures that he subject himself to hi[s]s father and he was also created by his fathe[/s]r yet you ignored it and u are here saying another thing, you are truly confused.

[/s[/s]]our recent discussion b4 u disappeared and reappeared bring another issue.still on d topic pls show me where Jesus is said to be created. As for those verses u brought I clearly showed u d meaning lest u misguide people. Can u disprove what I brought yet u are spewing trash

solite3:
Dolphineheart when you asked to quote rev1:4-6

solite3, I was the one who asked that the verses above should be quoted and explained.
now let me show you what did you did wrong.

One of the questions was quoting and explaining the following scriptures
1. rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
2 tellING us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

did you quote and explain rev 1:1 In that post ?no
did you explain rev 1:6 in that post? no
did you quote and explain heb1:9 in that post ? no
di you tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 in that post? NO OOOOO!

so since you did not do as requested ill have to ask you the questions again for you to see.

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

solite3:
this was how I answered heb1:9 Mr dolphineheart do you now c that u need God's mercy?

sir , did you answer the questions, attempting to answer one in different posts is an attempt to scatter the logic behind the question.
combine your answers and put it one single post, so that people reading it can easily see your false teachings.
I bet when you where siting for high school exams, you answer part A today, went home and came back to answer part B the next day .

solite3:
D whole world can c ur lies dolphineheart.lies which are false witnesses trade mark.Barrister quoted half of my words n started contradicting himself with it.dolphinsheart said Jesus has same nature as the father n when I quoted him he started attacking it. Goodnews said Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD but when I showed him where Jehovah was also called THE MIGHTY GOD he suddenly change topic.@jws Who do u think u re deceiving. I don't take u serious anymore

your lies can cause an earthquake!
did you quote my words when I said Jesus has same nature as God ? no , you claimed I said something else which I did not say. I put what you claimed I said and what I actually said side by side and you where found to be a false accusser.

because you have been proven to be false, you changed your accusation, refusing to quote your exact words on which you accused me of initially, preferring to quote mine own words.

[quote author=solite3 post=45678591][/quote]mostimes, I too use a phone, and I dnt muddle people's words up, mixing my words with their own quotes. I just see it as a new way to avoid being replied to .

your questions are still pending

[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up. Also dnt just one today then come tomorrow saying you have answered all

You still have refused to answer {Revelation 1:7-8} And you had jumped once again, this time too far ahead of yourself, you really didn't understand anything I had written. Jesus avoided His identity, directly calling Himself God.
You dummy everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God, but deep within who is Jesus?
The question was, why didn't Jesus "directly tell His disciples His true identity? And yet Jesus allowed God to tell the world who He is. God had even use Thomas to announce Jesus's identity.
{John 20:28} Thomas said My Lord and My God.
And God's Holy Spirit supernaturally reveals this secret wisdom about Christ in us too.
{1 Corinthians 2:7-13} No" we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden, and that God destined before our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! No mind has conceived what God prepared for those who love Him, but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit... We have...received..the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
{Deuteronomy 29:29} "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and our children forever, that we may do all the works of the law.
{Jeremiah 33:3} "Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
{Isaiah 45:15} "Truly you are the God who hides Himself.
{Isaiah 48:6} "From now on I will teach you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.
{John 6:45} "It is written in the prophets, They will all be taught by God.
{John 14:26} The Holy Spirit that God will send to you in My Name' will teach you all things. And bring to you the remembrance all things I had said to you.
{1 John 2:27} As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone teach you, But us His anointing teaches you about all things, and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in Him.
This scripture shows us we don't need anybody else teaching us the word of God, only the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you.
{1 Colossians 2:2-3, 4:3, 1:26,27}That they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
So we understand God's Spirit the Holy Spirit teaches us all things, and yet the Holy Spirit is recognized as a person by John.
{John 16:15-Acts 13:2} The Holy Spirit is presented as a personal being, with a self Identity, different from both the Father and the Son. As the Father and Jesus makes this distinction when speaking of Him, He the Holy Spirit says "Separate Barnabas and Saul to "Me;

dolphinheart:
Jesus did not avoid his identity , he said who he is, where He came from, why he came and who sent him many times!, over and over again. below are just a few!

[b]King James Version
Joh 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

King James Version
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME.

King James Version
Joh 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came FROM God; neither came I of myself, but HE sent me.

* What have we learnt so far
1. Jesus came from heaven
2. He came down from heaven cus he was sent by someone else,
3. He came to earth to do the will(order/command) of the person that sent him
4. The person who sent him is the father
5. The father is God !
let's continue.....

[b]King James Version
Joh 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

King James Version
Joh 3:16,18For God so loved the world, THAT HE GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

King James Version
1Jo 4:9,10.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that HE loved us, and SENT HIS Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.

King James Version
Lu 22:41, 42And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

King James Version
1Jo 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

King James Version
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.[/b]

* What did this scriptures teach us
1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God
2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father
3. God send his son to the world
4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life
5. The son is a different person from God
6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below.
7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God!
8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death
9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than jesus, the father is God of jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him!
10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind
11. Jesus was sent to save makind
12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children
13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life

Following (4)above, I'll like to ask you if you believe in Jesus when he told us who our God is in John 20 :17
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

brocab, can you explain the coloured parts of these scripture:
[b]King James Version
Ac 17:30,31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31.Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

for more better understanding of jesus and his relationship to his God and Father , read John chapter 5 and chapter 17




your preference to accept indirect, derived, man made beliefs instead of the direct words of God, Jesus and his disciples is a very bad thing!
jesus had DIRECTLY told you who sent him, why he was sent, who he is, his relationship with the one who sent him.
1.The father had said Jesus is his son, that he anointed him
2. Jesus has said the father is his God and father, that he sent him, that he is superior to him
3. The disciples had repeatedly said we have only one God who is the father , the God of jesus.

you refuse this direct statements but believe supposed indirect statements.
indirect is another word for twisting what the scriptures said , while deliberately ignoring direct words from God.




because he was sent to be the bread! he is not the same person as God who sent him!



Jesus existed before Abraham, he was the begginING of the creation of God



yes, cus God gave him the ability and authority to give us life!



King James Version
Isa 49:6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: [/color=red]I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.[/color]


King James Version
Joh 10:9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.



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Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, THAT BROUGHT AGAIN from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,



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Joh 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

King James Version
Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;




way to who ? his God and father!



quote those sriptures and let's examine

* readers should note by now that apart from using an indirect way, he is cutting part of the same statements that will not surpport his indirect beliefs off, hens I had to post those scriptures fully.


because jesus and the father are united, have same purpose, the fulfillment of the fathers will. The same oneness that a husband and wife should have, the same oneness that the disciples are encouraged to develop and have! so that they may also be one with jesus and God!

go and read the scriptures brocab, Jesus told them again and again that he is the son of God, and not God himself. God being the father who the Jews had no problem with.
The father is greater than I AM, Jesus said!

NOTE: you have refused to respond to the request , nor the scriptures quoted to you!

Contradictions in Watchtower Literature

Easier to read from the site https://carm.org/contradictions-in-watchtower-literature

The Watchtower says that it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements. Therefore, it is not God's organization.

Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization or Charles Taze Russell?
Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class who would be providing the spiritual food to God's family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests world wide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).
Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such," (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).
Watchtower claims to be only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.
Watchtower is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization,'" (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).
Vatican is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).
Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?
Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:
"Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man," (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).
"For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? And again: 'I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me'? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him,'" (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).
No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:
"He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'" (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).
"What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the "Christian" school I had attended. Jehovah's Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped," (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).
The sower in the Matt. 13 parable is Satan or Jesus?
The sower of the mustard seed is Satan
"It is the fake 'kingdom of the heavens,' the counterfeit, namely, Christendom, that is filled with these symbolic birds, 'the sons of the wicked one.' Today it is big enough to hold them all. In the parable, the 'man' that sowed the mustard grain pictures the 'wicked one,' Satan the Devil. Outstandingly in the fourth century C.E. Satan the Devil planted or specially cultivated this symbolic 'mustard grain' of contaminated, adulterated, imitation Christianity," (Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress, 1975, p. 208).
The sower of the mustard seed is Jesus
"In the days of Jesus Christ and his apostles the nation of Israel was just as apostate as in the days of Jeremiah and Hosea. In fact, it was the generation of Israel that brought about the death of Jesus the Messiah and that persecuted his apostles and first-century disciples. Such Israelites especially were the ones to whom Jesus, as well as Isaiah, referred as having their eyes plastered shut, their ears unresponsive and their hearts unreceptive so that there was no spiritual healing for them. (Isa. 6:9, 10, Matt. 13:13-15, Acts 28:24-28) Hence that apostate generation suffered national calamity in 70 C.E. So, now, does anyone ask the question, How could Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain and yet have it become a tree of a foreign kind, the corrupt counterfeit called Christendom? The experience of Jehovah God with the ancient nation of Israel gives the divine answer to such a questioner!" (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1975, p. 600)
A Jehovah's Witness has sought to point out that the first quote where the sower of the mustard seed is Satan is referring to the fake kingdom of God, and the second sower is referring to Jesus in the true kingdom of God and that this removes the contradiction. In response, I have expanded the length of each quote above and italicized the contextual information so we can examine them.
Quote A: "the 'man' that sowed the mustard grain pictures the 'wicked one,' Satan the Devil."
Quote B: "Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain."
Each statement declares specifically who the sower OF THE PARABLE'S MUSTARD SEED IS! The first quote says it is the devil in the fake kingdom, and the second says that it is Jesus. Of course the "true kingdom" is not referenced in the second quote. What IS REFERENCED is that the mustard grain that JESUS PLANTED planted became corrupt. In other words, the true became the fake (see underlined section in "B" above). It would seem that there is only one action of planting the mustard seed in the parable and not two (not one of the fake and another of the true). To say that the parable can be taken to mean two different sowings (one by the devil and another by Jesus) when it references the SAME MUSTARD seed has its obvious problems: Here is the parable
'The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; 32and this is smaller than all other seeds; but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants, and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches,' (Matt. 13:31-32).
Therefore, we can make the case that they are speaking of the same seed.
On the other hand, can we say that one is speaking only of the fake kingdom and the other only of the true kingdom? Is the Jehovah's witness making a distinction that isn't there especially since B says it is the work of Christ that became corrupt implying it is the same seed?
If someone wants to conclude that the Watchtower organization is alluding to the symbolism of the sowers in the implied kingdom of light AND darkness as two separate events, then it would alleviate the weight of the contradiction.
I will leave it up to you to decide if this is a contradiction or not.
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1941.
Armageddon will be in 1914.
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).
Armageddon will be in 1941
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1915
Armageddon is in 1915
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1881, emphasis added. The date was changed to 1914 in a later edition).
Armageddon is in 1914.
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).1 2 3 4

https://carm.org/contradictions-in-watchtower-literature

dolphinheart:
mostimes, I too use a phone, and I dnt muddle people's words up, mixing my words with their own quotes. I just see it as a new way to avoid being replied to .

your questions are still pending

[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up. Also dnt just one today then come tomorrow saying you have answered all

dolphineheart lieing is your nature keep it up

READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTE THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHO LE THING LATER.

brocab:
You still have refused to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}

I've told you several times and I will repeat it again
brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you.

I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.

And you had jumped once again, this time too far ahead of yourself, you really didn't understand anything I had written. Jesus avoided His identity, directly calling Himself God.

I gave you direct statements from the prophets, from the disciples, from Jesus himself and from God!, none of those statements or scriptures used to surpport it could you disprove, counter or go against. Your refusal to talk about those scriptures shows you can't go against what it said, and anytime it's mentioned, it hurts you!
Unfortunately for you, I'll continue to post those scriptures.

You dummy everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God, but deep within who is Jesus?
The question was, why didn't Jesus "directly tell His disciples His true identity?

funny you, because you realised that you cannot alter, confront or disprove the earlier answer given you decided to change the question to make it look as if I answered the wrong question, people are watching you o .

This was your question:

Why did Jesus the messiah avoided His true Identity?

You now change it to this so as to avoid a response to my answer:

why didn't Jesus "directly tell His disciples His true identity?

well ill tell you!
experience is the best teacher, if you experience something, you have better knowledge than just being told, but jesus did not only give this experience of who he is to his disciples he told about who he is to others in the presence of his disciples. Finally jesus made sure that they understood what they had experienced and what he told them.

WHO DID THE ANGEL TELL MARY THAT JESUS IS?
King James Version
Lu 1:31,32- And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, [color=red]and shall be called THE SON OF THE HIGHEST: and the Lord God shall give unto HIM the throne of his father David:

Ga 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

* is jesus the highest? no
is jesus son of the highest? yes.
is the the God who sent him? no
was jesus sent by God ? yes
is jesus the son of God ? yes
I wonder why some would desperately want to redefine who Jesus is using indirect method!

WHO DID JESUS SAY THAT HE IS
King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

kjv
Mt 26:63,64- But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

WHO DID THE GOD SAY JESUS IS
King James Version
Mt 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

WHO DID PEOPLE AND SPIRITS SAY JESUS IS
army officers:
[b]Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”

nathy:
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

John the baptist:
King James Version
Joh 1:34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

martha:
King James Version
Joh 11:27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

demons:
King James Version
Mt 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
King James Version
Lu 4:34Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.[/b]

unfortunately, brocad says : jesus is God, he knows more than all those people combined.

WHAT DID THE DISCIPLES SAY AFTER EXPERIENCING WHO JESUS IS, EXPECIALLY WHEN HE ASKED THEM WHO HE IS
King James Version
Mt 16:15-17He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Stephen did not see a false vision, he saw the truth and it was recorded
King James Version
Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

BROCABS , READ THE SCRIPTURES AND BELIEVE
King James Version
Joh 20:31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

And yet Jesus allowed God to tell the world who He is. [/color] God had even use Thomas to announce Jesus's identity.
{John 20:28} Thomas said My Lord and My God.

Jesus told the world who He is, the father bear witness to these.
your statement "jesus allowed god" is another testament that Jesus is not the God you mentioned!

did Thomas exclamation mean that Jesus is the God of Thomas ? noo!
jesus had earlier told them who their God is!
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

and these they believed and followed
King James Version
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

And God's Holy Spirit supernaturally reveals this secret wisdom about Christ in us too.
{1 Corinthians 2:7-13} No" we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden, and that God destined before our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! No mind has conceived what God prepared for those who love Him, but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit... We have...received..the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
{Deuteronomy 29:29} "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and our children forever, that we may do all the works of the law.
{Jeremiah 33:3} "Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
{Isaiah 45:15} "Truly you are the God who hides Himself.
{Isaiah 48:6} "From now on I will teach you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.
{John 6:45} "It is written in the prophets, They will all be taught by God.
{John 14:26} The Holy Spirit that God will send to you in My Name' will teach you all things. And bring to you the remembrance all things I had said to you.
{1 John 2:27} As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone teach you, But us His anointing teaches you about all things, and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in Him.
This scripture shows us we don't need anybody else teaching us the word of God, only the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you.
{1 Colossians 2:2-3, 4:3, 1:26,27}That they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
So we understand God's Spirit the Holy Spirit teaches us all things, and yet the Holy Spirit is recognized as a person by John.
{John 16:15-Acts 13:2} The Holy Spirit is presented as a personal being, with a self Identity, different from both the Father and the Son. As the Father and Jesus makes this distinction when speaking of Him, He the Holy Spirit says "Separate Barnabas and Saul to "Me;

good, now listen to what the scripture revealed about Jesus! do not formulate your own theory from indirect statements.

We don't interpret the bible with human philosophy.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who distort the bible to suit their doctrine.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who will not allow members consult other literature for understanding.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who brainwash people and baptise members into their believe without due obedience to the word of God.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who pick part of the bible because it 'seemingly' agreed with what they believe in.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who keep making erroneous blunders in their interpretation of God's word.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who pride in been the only recognizable saints and still causing chaos in the Christiandom (thank God, they never associate with Christianity).
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who subjects member to only what they teach rather than allowing the members to seek God on their own (a theory of 'we will get to God for you, you just believe in what we say)...
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who are found of argument rather than preaching the word. They don't preach but brainwash the gullible and argue with the wise.

Brocab, Solite and the rest, these people will just be arguing and calling you liars when you have shown them some prove that negate their believe. And there is no much difference between new world translation and new world order. I believe you know them.

johnw74

johnw74:
It's not suprising that false jw strikes out God's inspired word,
since antichrist jw disbelieve so many verses and change the meaning of much more

We Christians' would never strike out God's inspired word

A christian dont lie

" look out Jesus, [size=27] said a disciple,
[/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74
lie lie John