taurus25:

whoa.. slow down dude......There is a man which we all have seen who bears the title of the president of the US....he sits in the oval office and attends all international summits as the leader of the US...his name is obama.....As far as a person being the president of a country is concerned i can safely say obama is the president of the US.

Research data on the moon landing has been compiled and published and peer reviewed and the generally scientific community know it wasnt/cant be faked..thats why to date no notable opposition from the science world to the moon landing.

But, god being the creator of the universe remains an assumption.

see the difference?

God not being the creator of the universe is an assumption . If you disagree , you should provide your evidence - the irrefutable proof the universe made itself from nothing .

KingEbukaNaija:


God not being the creator of the universe is an assumption . If you disagree , you should provide your evidence - the irrefutable proof the universe made itself from nothing .

Don't be closed minded bro, is just like saying there is a cup on an empty table all you have to do is prove it, if you can't prove then there is no cup(though table is already there). You can't disprove something with no prove in the first place.

Bamidelefundz:

First of all you are performing different experiment so don't expect the same answer. So, are you telling me your God as the creator exist outside of space, time and universe? Do you even know the meaning of space, time and universe that you are claiming just someone can create like that?

That's the point , don't use experiments for things that are not subject to the laws of nature and expect to have to results . The universe is a collection of different constituents - gravity , planets , space , time etc

I'm not sure why you think those cant be created by God . How was gravity formed by the way ?

KingEbukaNaija:


God not being the creator of the universe is an assumption . If you disagree , you should provide your evidence - the irrefutable proof the universe made itself from nothing .

*yawns* to late to play the Bop game.

KingEbukaNaija:


That's the point , don't use experiments for things that are not subject to the laws of nature and expect to have to results . The universe is a collection of different constituents - gravity , planets , space , time etc

I'm not sure why you think those cant be created by God . How was gravity formed by the way ?

I'm not the type that like defining something scientifically okay, my point is you can't prove that God of the bible is the one that create this universe. The little knowledge we have about the universe is with the help of science till date not any God.

Bamidelefundz:

Don't be closed minded bro, is just like saying there is a cup on an empty table all you have to do is prove it, if you can't prove then there is no cup(though table is already there). You can't disprove something with no prove in the first place.

Meeks is the president of USA not Obama - does this claim need to be proven ? Just show the person that Obama is president that alone refutes his claim . That's what I want the atheist to do , show me that the universe needs no creator with cogent proof not assumptions . You'll tell me how every constituent derived the propensity for its functionality of course . E.g If protons are protons , how did they derive that property to to be protons not neutrons then it spreads out to energy , space , matter etc

If you don't know now I will let you know, before Big Bang we only have unified force in the whole universe( I don't have much time lecturing you on how things fall into places).

KingEbukaNaija:


I'm not sure why you think those cant be created by God . How was gravity formed by the way ?

same way they could be created by a spaghetti monster?

was gravity formed?....or is it an effect as a result of mass on the geometry of spacetime

KingEbukaNaija:


Meeks is the president of USA not Obama - does this claim need to be proven ? Just show the person that Obama is president that alone refutes his claim . That's what I want the atheist to do , show me that the universe needs no creator with cogent proof not assumptions . You'll tell me how every constituent derived the propensity for its functionality of course . E.g If protons are protons , how did they derive that property to to be protons not neutrons then it spreads out to energy , space , matter etc

I don't have prove, you show me that the God of the bible is the creator of universe that's my argument in the first place.

Bamidelefundz:

I'm not the type that like defining something scientifically okay, my point is you can't prove that God of the bible is the one that create this universe. The little knowledge we have about the universe is with the help of science till date not any God.

God bestowed man with the intelligence to carry out those researches . If you are going to assert that God is not involved , expect a rebuttal in the same vein of that assertion .

taurus25:

same way they could be created by a spaghetti monster?

was gravity formed?....or is it an effect as a result of mass on the geometry of spacetime

Don't mind him, he's trying to close his mind against truth value theorem.

KingEbukaNaija:


God bestowed man with the intelligence to carry out those researches . If you are going to assert that God is not involved , expect a rebuttal in the same vein of that assertion .

You've come again attributing the advent of man research to your God, what's the main reason why the men in the era of bible were unable to invent what we have in mordern science and technology today? why elvolving and not stagnation? Human will keep evolving that's the law of nature.

taurus25:

same way they could be created by a spaghetti monster?

was gravity formed?....or is it an effect as a result of mass on the geometry of spacetime

Forget the jokes as far as you have accepted that there is indeed a creator then My work is done here - I don't actually care whom you think it is sha .

Bamidelefundz:

You've come again attributing the advent of man research to your God, what's the main reason why the men in the era of bible were unable to invent what we have in mordern science and technology today? why elvolving and not stagnation? Human will keep evolving that's the law of nature.

I warned you not to assert that God is not involved . God ordered man to study , God desired the progress of man in every area of his life . Lol . The bible guys invented - houses , weapons of war , musical instruments , agricultural practices , clothes , arts , laws , war tactics etc - of which you have known if you actually studied the bible

KingEbukaNaija:


Forget the jokes as far as you have accepted that there is indeed a creator then My work is done here - I don't actually care whom you think it is sha .

yeah forget the joke , grasp the point, which is something might have caused the universe, energy maybe, a multiverse maybe, a toothfairy, god, many other possibilities. But if your certain its god, then i need proof (lol im tired of using this line honestly)

KingEbukaNaija:


I warned you not to assert that God is not involved . God ordered man to study , God desired the progress of man in every area of his life . Lol . The bible guys invented - houses , weapons of war , musical instruments , agricultural practices , clothes , arts , laws , war tactics etc - of which you have known if you actually studied the bible

Give me the physical proof and fact that God order man to study and you win.

KingEbukaNaija:


I warned you not to assert that God is not involved . God ordered man to study , God desired the progress of man in every area of his life . Lol . The bible guys invented - houses , weapons of war , musical instruments , agricultural practices , clothes , arts , laws , war tactics etc - of which you have known if you actually studied the bible

is this not just ridiculous....is it in anyway meaningful or logical to disprove something that havent been proven in the first place?

is it right for me to say "turning off a tv is another chanel"?

Bamidelefundz:


There are no different from what was written in the bible and mythology (they are all make believe stories). Read and do your research proper okay.

am waiting for u to prove ur claim. this is not an answer.

JMAN05:


am waiting for u to prove ur claim. this is not an answer.

I read both the bible and other myth book. So I can correlate most of the story.

Bamidelefundz:

I read both the bible and other myth book. So I can correlate most of the story.

am still waiting.

KingEbukaNaija:


The emboldened text is your opinion , don't be dogmatic about it . Experience is a path to knowledge , people have experienced God through these means . Others include miracles , etc . Bible texts consist of revelations made to man by God , these experiences were indited and passed on . Though some texts were altered for obvious reasons .

Listen to yourself. Revelations that came to white people, and were reassembled by Roman politicians. Coincidentally, the politicians included verses forbidding others to add their own revelations later.

The Illuminati is supporting Islam and Christianity in Africa while rapidly removing those ideas from where they sleep themselves. Let Africans continue to use prayer as the primary solution to problem.

That's my random conspiracy theory of the day.

KingEbukaNaija:


Some people believe that Obama is not america's president and the first moon travel is fake so ... Opinions !

Use the word God accordingly. The bloodthirsty book character you go to that building to worship on Sundays is not the creator of the universe. It is book character. Grow up.

KingEbukaNaija:


God not being the creator of the universe is an assumption . If you disagree , you should provide your evidence - the irrefutable proof the universe made itself from nothing .

There you go again. You're a very skilled magician with words. God is a placeholder for whatever it is we came from. However, whenever you use the word, you mean Bible god. So why not take pride and call him by his name. Jesus Christ or Yahweh.

Personally, I think it was the tiniest subatomic particle that can possibly exist in isolation. A particle so small that it would fit our definition of nothing. A particle with crazy intelligence, obviously, because it now occupies all things simultaneously due to its presence at the very core of all atoms. We are all a part of it, both you and your next goat stew. My thoughts are engineered by me/it as is your foolishness/or perceived wisdom.

KingEbukaNaija:


I believe the bible by faith bro . This is not new now

Muslims, Hindus, Taoist, Buddhist, etc all belive their religious scriptures by faith. Believing by faith means nothing. It simply means you believe because you just want it to be true. Faith is not a virtue, so stop playing the faith card.

KingEbukaNaija:


Back what up ? Experience it yourself and make your own conclusion . Even God himself was on earth and people were not convinced at all . So I'm not sure what I'll tell you To Make you believe . One question : how did the early church grow despite persecution from the Gentiles ?

Where is the video recording of this God on earth and people not believing in him? Muslims claim the words of Allah himself exist on earth in the form of the Koran yet many disbelieve(Including you). Why are you guys always spewing gibberish? The creator of the universe came to planet earth as a human being to dwell in a tiny nation of Israel without visiting the whole earth. Does that even make sense to you. If we call you delude , you'll feel offended.

KingEbukaNaija:


Meeks is the president of USA not Obama - does this claim need to be proven ? Just show the person that Obama is president that alone refutes his claim . That's what I want the atheist to do , show me that the universe needs no creator with cogent proof not assumptions . You'll tell me how every constituent derived the propensity for its functionality of course . E.g If protons are protons , how did they derive that property to to be protons not neutrons then it spreads out to energy , space , matter etc

How did your God create phtons? How did he create neutrons? How did your God create anything? Stop asking questions you have no answer for. Your only answer is that you believe through faith that God did it without any explanation. That is actually silly. Don't expect any body to provide you with answers when you haven't provided any except telling people that you believe through faith.

Weah96:


Listen to yourself. Revelations that came to white people, and were reassembled by Roman politicians. Coincidentally, the politicians included verses forbidding others to add their own revelations later.

You and white poeple - stop playing that card . Israelites have been God's own people and they are not whites , they are middle easterners . Anyone outside Israel is called a gentile - not a Jew . Provide proof for the latter , so the new thing is atheists farting out non existent history from their arses . Eh ?

Weah96:


Use the word God accordingly. The bloodthirsty book character you go to that building to worship on Sundays is not the creator of the universe. It is book character. Grow up.

Then prove me wrong , show me this creator .

remember the illustration I gave:

Meeks is the president of USA - this is a claim . Would wait for someone to prove that or you would you simply provide proof that Obama is usa's president .

Don't wait for me to prove God is the creator , provide a cogent proof that something else is to prove me wrong . But if you insist the onus probandi is on me , then you simply have no proof against my 'claim' .

Welcome to logic 101 with King Ebuka , you may please have a seat !

KingEbukaNaija:


Then prove me wrong , show me this creator .

remember the illustration I gave:

Meeks is the president of USA - this is a claim . Would wait for someone to prove that or you would you simply provide proof that Obama is usa's president .

Don't wait for me to prove God is the creator , provide a cogent proof that something else is to prove me wrong . But if you insist the onus probandi is on me , then you simply have no proof against my 'claim' .

Welcome to logic 101 with King Ebuka , you may please have a seat !

More like Bible logic, lol. This is the stupidest thing I've read.

So, in your head, you must always know everything, even if there are no answers? That nonsense you wrote up there is the definition of a fallacy.

You: what happened to the Chibok girls? I have faith that they were kidnapped by Romulans and taken up to mine gold using a Tesseract

Me: I don't know what happened to the Chibok girls.

You: You don't know therefore they must be in the space ship with the Romulans.
Your delusion is sponsored by Caucasians. They have a unique way of telling lies.

KingEbukaNaija:


Then prove me wrong , show me this creator .

remember the illustration I gave:

Meeks is the president of USA - this is a claim . Would wait for someone to prove that or you would you simply provide proof that Obama is usa's president .

Don't wait for me to prove God is the creator , provide a cogent proof that something else is to prove me wrong . But if you insist the onus probandi is on me , then you simply have no proof against my 'claim' .

Welcome to logic 101 with King Ebuka , you may please have a seat !

Claiming that your God is the creator of universe is farce because we have no evidence to proof God in the first place (undefined). So, for me to prove another entity as the creator is also farce, that's why we must agree that anybody with vast knowledge of his/her environment can claim to be God still, it doesn't mean it is a fact.

Bamidelefundz:



Claiming that your God is the creator of universe is farce because we have no evidence to proof God in the first place (undefined). So, for me to prove another entity as the creator is also farce, that's why we must agree that anybody with vast knowledge of his/her environment can claim to be God still, it doesn't mean it is a fact.

He never calls out the name of his fake god. He simply hides behind the general terminology which has multiple meanings. Meanwhile, his god is the one who sponsored the Bible. Lol.

In one thread, he will tell you how he believes his fake god is real by faith. In another, he's asking someone to disprove that same god that he only believes by faith.