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zodiakzax:
(13)To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Isa 45:22 23), to Jesus, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Phil 2:10-- 11),

(14)God is the same and his years will have no end (Ps 102:27), Jesus is the sme and his years will have no en d (Heb 1:12),

(15)God is immutable (Mal 3:6), Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8 ,

dolphinheart:
sir, I'm not backing away from the truth!

dolphinheart:
the questions will show if you are telling the truth or not, you refusal to answer then shows you are trying to hide something!
so far so good, those questions has been exposing your false teachings, again I state that it's not only questions you failed to answer , you have so far failed woefully in quoting and explaining certain scriptures!



GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THESE ISSUE, IVE POSTED , POINTED TO YOU, MENTIONED YOUR NAME SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I EXPLAIN ED TO YOU REV 1:1,4-6,7,8; REV 3:2,12, AND HEB 1:9. IVE DONE IT TWICE ON THESE THREAD ! TWIIICE!, YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO ANY OF IT!


some of the scriptures I wanted you to quote and explain are jesus own words, but you refuse to do so .


YOU HAVE STATE LYING AGAIN!


sir, I told you several times to use any translation you want to quote and explain the scriptures I asked you to qoute and explain, you are here still arguing about translations while still refusing to quote and explain those scriptures.



I dnt want "us" to listen to me , I want you brocab, to quote and explain the scriptures I posted to you, or are those scriptures not the word of God again?

issues at hand:

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines.

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!

Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

Jozzy4:
someone earlier said to cover a lie, more lies have to be told . thats so true and beginning to see your true color.

you admit Jesus is the Word, only for you to deny this again simply because u know the consequence of your statement. and am suprised ur fellows cant correct u with this nonsense u are spewing, the Word is Gods spirit but Jesus is flesh and blood. u are now trying to separate the Word from Jesus christ ? u are a damn liar .


LET me tell you more :

going by your analogy , if the Word is Gods spirit .. you are actually saying Gods spirit ( holyspirit) became Jesus , do u know ?


this is the height of blindness

zodiakzax:
Really? Then are you saying these scriptures are wrong?

1 Timothy 2:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus..


What's does the Man Jesus Christ mean to you?

Rev 22:16 kjv “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID, the bright morning star.”

What does the statement "I Am the root and the offspring of David.." mean to you? "I am" present tense not "I was". Offspring of David makes Him still a Man and that was why He used the present tense "I AM" because He's still the Man Jesus not an angel.

Home work for you:

How can He be both the root and the offspring of David? If you can understand this you will understand why He is God and calls God the Father my God.

zodiakzax:
Really? Did the statement really say because the Father is higher in position means they aren't one? Any learned person will understand what I wrote. Which part of having the same nature with the Father didn't you read? Which part of me saying Christ has the nature of man didn't you read? So no Sir, my statement did not say what you are implying, any reasonable person can see that.

goodnews201668:
If the father is higher does it not tell you something?
Won't he be under him or be a subordinate?
Or will you deny the fact that he worshipped God too?
Did he worship himself, since he and his father are one?

johnw74:
There are many forms of lying,
one of false jw jozzy's is to misquote what others say,
adding to and taking away from a quote is lying,
but he wouldn't be aware of that, as lying comes naturally to false jw

Joh_1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Score update

false jw lies = it must be hundreds by now, anyone counting

johnw74 lies = 0

brocab:
The JW's started lying from the beginning of creation of their church.

alexis:
JW teaches Jesus was created. You refer to Colossians 1:15 because of the word "first-born". Paul use of the word "first-born" was to show pre-eminence. First born doesn't mean first created. You guys do this because it is consistent with your theological presupposition that Jesus is a created thing.

A simple example is used in Psalm 89:20, 27 - it says "20 . I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him. 27. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth". The question then is - was David the first-born king. As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family, was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence.

Scripture best interprets Scripture. Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created as the Jehovah's Witnesses say it means here. "Firstborn" can mean the first born person in a family, and it can also be a title of preeminence which is transferable. In addition, He is the pre-eminent one in all things. The Jehovah's Witnesses should consider this when they examine Col. 1:15. They should also abandon the Watchtower which guides them in their thinking and believing.

Read the Bible and stop depending on theology from some old men in New York that you don't even know by name

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy





" the Word is the spirit of God" - johnw74

Liarrrrrrrr, chai - Jozzy4


" The Word is the Spirit of God " - johnw74

why u dey lie like this ? - Jozzy4


He is God's spirit - johnw74

Liarrrrrrrr, chai




Job_33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.






the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit - johnw74

why u dey lie like this ? - Jozzy4




1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?



1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

^^^ that verse is talking about false jw jozzy

dolphinheart:
(13)sir , it is good to read the scriptures and understand what it says, it is not always good to take snippets out of it and use it to form a doctrine. now let's look at the scriptures you mentioned and see why it's not good to concluDe things by taking part of it and ignoring the rest.

Isa 45:22Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is no one else.
Isa 45:23By myself I have sworn; The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return: To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty

Php 2:10[/u]so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend[/u]—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground
Php 2:11and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
I do hope you read the scriptures well this time expecially the underlined .
Does this verses above mean, imply or tell us that jesus is same person as God ? no , for the previous verse has seperated God and Jesus and protected the words from beING manipulated.

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and KINDLY GAVE HIM THE NAME that is above every other name
hope you get the above, God gave jesus a name , God exalted jesus to a superior position than the position jesus had before, it is that name that every one will bow, to the glory of who? God!
did the verse call jesus God? no , it says "and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord

I hope you remember the scriptures that says we have one God , the Father, and one Lord , Jesus?

talking about bowing down to someone and who we are really bowing down to, the following scriptures might help , but if you still have issues you might bring it up.

[b]Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33[u]God resurrected this Jesus,[/u] and of this we are all witnesses.
33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Isa 55:10, 11For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
11So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.

Joh 5:22, 23For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
23[u]so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.[/u]

Ro 10:9For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.[/b]



(14)Ps 102:27But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Heb 1:12and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

the verses above is a continuation if the verses about creation, it has been previously explained to you about their roles in creation, that both have no end does not mean they are the same thing!
Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.



[b](16)Mal 3:6“For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

Heb 13:8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever[/u]
Does the above verses mean they are the same person? no, this qualities that both of them have assures us that what they told us will not change.
example of what they said :

[b]King James Version
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

to be continued later...............

brocab:
The JW's started lying from the beginning of creation of their church.

Jozzy4:
How can a sane Christian say the Word is the spirit of God ( holyspirit) ? a statement depicting lack of proper knowledge

solite3:
So a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of “Finished Mystery” which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download… the actual book). I must say, this was the most disturbing book I have ever had the displeasure of reading. But I only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when Jesus supposedly chose the Watchtower in 1918 and I basically wanted to see for myself what Jesus saw in the WT that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.

Anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points I put together from some of the notes I took as I read the book:

1. Charles Taze Russell is the faithful and wise servant (p.4)

2. Jesus gave Russell the key to understanding God’s mysteries in the last days (p.6)

3. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8; 21:6 and 22:13 (p.15, p.318, p.336)

4. The Adventist Nelson Barbour showed Russell Biblical proof that Jesus was present since 1874 and Russell found this evidence satisfactory (p. 54)

5. As per Russell, there’s no need to learn the Hebrew or Greek languages to gain a correct understanding of the Bible since the Presbyterians and Methodists have good versions of the Bible at reasonable prices (p. 55)

6. The remnant will be taken to heaven in 1918 (p. 64)

7. The 7 messengers in Revelation are Paul, John, Ario, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther and Russell (illustration after page 64)

8. The 7 trumpets in Revelation 8:2 are the trumpets of the Lutherans, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Evangelical Alliance and The Bible Students (chart after page 64)

9. Jesus began his reign officially in 1878 (p. 66)

10. 3-page list of Biblical texts which prove that Jesus’ second advent occurred in 1874 (p.68 – 71)

11. The behemoth mentioned in Job 40: 15-24 is the stationary steam engine (p. 84)

12. The leviathan mentioned in Job 41:2-19 is the locomotive (p.85)

13. The valiant men in Nahum 2:3 are the locomotive conductor and the fireman (p.93)

14. According to Exodus 28:1 and Numbers 4:46-48, the number of the great crowd will be approximately 411,840,000 (p.103)

15. The horseman on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is the personal representative of Satan: the bishop of Rome (p. 106)

16. The stars that fell from the heavens in Revelation 6:13 refers to the meteor shower on November 13, 1833 which covered 11 million square miles. The symbolic fulfillment occurred when the bishops and priests lost their influence over the minds and conscience of the people (p.120)

17. There is evidence that proves that the Palestine will be re-established in 1925 (p.128)

18. The demons will invade the minds of the members of Christianity and will bring them to their destruction in 1918 (p.128)

19. The earth was created 48,000 years ago (p.139)

20. The “angel” mentioned in Revelation 8:5 is the Watchtower Society and the “incense vessel” is the book “Finished Mystery” divinely provided to humanity (p.145)

21. According to Revelation 9:15, all of the 177,300,000 protestants on earth, who represent 1/3 of all Christians, will be destroyed in 1918 (p.164)

22. The “Time of the End” started in 1799 (p.171)

23. The “Great Tribulation” started in 1914 (p.178)

24. Michael the Archangel is the Pope of Rome (p.188)

25. The 2 wings of the woman in Revelation 12:14 are the Old Testament and the New Testament (p.191)

26. England is a satanic country because it forcefully exports 5 million pounds of Opium to China each year (p.202)

27. The Great Pyramid of Egypt confirms the fact that the time of Harvest has come (p.226)

28. Revelation 14:20 provides us with the precise distance between Scranton, Pennsylvania (where this book was written) and Bethel in Brooklyn (where this book was printed) … 137.9 miles (p.230)

29. The clergy are like dumb dogs because they prefer to remain silent rather than accept one single “Truth” from Russell’s precious writings (p.238)

30. The republics will disappear in the Fall of 1920. Every nation will cease to exist as they get swallowed up by anarchy (p. 258)

31. The “glory” of the angel mentioned in Revelation 18:1 enlightened to earth resulting in such great discoveries and inventions such as the electrical motors, airplanes, the Panama Canal, vacuum cleaners, the books from the Watchtower, etc. (p.273)

32. The “voice out of heaven” mentioned in Revelation 18:4 is the voice of the Watchtower (p.276)

33. According to Revelation 18:14, during the millennium, the clergy will have to work for a living. This means that each preacher in Christianity will have to spend 65 cents for an alarm clock (p.285)

34. The God sitting on the throne in Revelation 19:4 is Jesus (p.290)

35. God assumes full responsibility for the entire volume of Studies in the Scriptures (p.295)

36. The Kingdom of a thousand years started in 1874 with the second coming of Jesus (p.301, p.386)

37. According to Revelation 21:17, the number of sheep at the end of the thousand-year reign will be approximately 20.7 Billion (p.323)

38. When Russell understood the full import of God’s Word, he took a firm stand. The spirit, power and influence of God entered him, never to leave (p.377)

39. Ezekiel 5:2, 12, 16, 17 refers to the way in which Jerusalem was destroyed in 606BCE and 70-73EC and it also refers to the way Christianity is being destroyed between 1914 and 1918 (p.398)

40. God’s Day of Vengeance started in 1914 and will culminate in 1918 (p.404)

41. The literal fulfillment of Ezekiel occurred in 1898 when a miller, who publicly thanked the Virgin for dear bread, literally threw gold and silver at a crowd in the streets in a vain attempt to pacify them. But they demanded his life and took it (p.407)

42. According to Ezekiel 11:9, Christianity will literally fall in the hands of labor unions, socialists and anarchists (p. 425)

43. The preachers of Christianity say things that originate in their own imagination (p.432)

44. According to Ezekiel 17:22 and 20:42, Zionism and Judaism will proper on Earth as their leaders will be Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others upon their resurrection (p.450, p.462)

45. The congregation mentioned in Ezekiel 23:46 are union workers, socialists, democrats and anarchists (p.480)

46. In fulfillment of Ezekiel 24:15-19, God took away Russell’s desire for his wife by putting a spiritual plague over her which made her “dead” in the eyes of Russell (p.483, p.484)

47. God will destroy all of the churches on earth including all of its millions of members in 1918. It is expected that this will occur on or around April 27, 1918 (p.485, p.513, p.530)

48. All Jews will return to their native land according to God’s promise. Russell has been preaching the message Zionism since October 1910 (p.536, p.554, p.555)

49. In 1878, during the First Resurrection, God raised up the members of the Body of Christ, the “stem of David” (p.539)

50. According to Ezekiel 40:1, the establishment of the Kingdom on earth will occur 13 years after 1918 (p.569)

Well, I think that’s quite enough note-taking for a book filled with lies and false predictions… Just thought some of you newbies might be interested in knowing what the Watchtower was teaching in 1918 when Jesus came down for his inspection and chose the Watchtower.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-Jesus-approved

solite3:
So a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of “Finished Mystery” which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download… the actual book). I must say, this was the most disturbing book I have ever had the displeasure of reading. But I only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when Jesus supposedly chose the Watchtower in 1918 and I basically wanted to see for myself what Jesus saw in the WT that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.

Anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points I put together from some of the notes I took as I read the book:

1. Charles Taze Russell is the faithful and wise servant (p.4)

2. Jesus gave Russell the key to understanding God’s mysteries in the last days (p.6)

3. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8; 21:6 and 22:13 (p.15, p.318, p.336)

4. The Adventist Nelson Barbour showed Russell Biblical proof that Jesus was present since 1874 and Russell found this evidence satisfactory (p. 54)

5. As per Russell, there’s no need to learn the Hebrew or Greek languages to gain a correct understanding of the Bible since the Presbyterians and Methodists have good versions of the Bible at reasonable prices (p. 55)

6. The remnant will be taken to heaven in 1918 (p. 64)

7. The 7 messengers in Revelation are Paul, John, Ario, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther and Russell (illustration after page 64)

8. The 7 trumpets in Revelation 8:2 are the trumpets of the Lutherans, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Evangelical Alliance and The Bible Students (chart after page 64)

9. Jesus began his reign officially in 1878 (p. 66)

10. 3-page list of Biblical texts which prove that Jesus’ second advent occurred in 1874 (p.68 – 71)

11. The behemoth mentioned in Job 40: 15-24 is the stationary steam engine (p. 84)

12. The leviathan mentioned in Job 41:2-19 is the locomotive (p.85)

13. The valiant men in Nahum 2:3 are the locomotive conductor and the fireman (p.93)

14. According to Exodus 28:1 and Numbers 4:46-48, the number of the great crowd will be approximately 411,840,000 (p.103)

15. The horseman on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is the personal representative of Satan: the bishop of Rome (p. 106)

16. The stars that fell from the heavens in Revelation 6:13 refers to the meteor shower on November 13, 1833 which covered 11 million square miles. The symbolic fulfillment occurred when the bishops and priests lost their influence over the minds and conscience of the people (p.120)

17. There is evidence that proves that the Palestine will be re-established in 1925 (p.128)

18. The demons will invade the minds of the members of Christianity and will bring them to their destruction in 1918 (p.128)

19. The earth was created 48,000 years ago (p.139)

20. The “angel” mentioned in Revelation 8:5 is the Watchtower Society and the “incense vessel” is the book “Finished Mystery” divinely provided to humanity (p.145)

21. According to Revelation 9:15, all of the 177,300,000 protestants on earth, who represent 1/3 of all Christians, will be destroyed in 1918 (p.164)

22. The “Time of the End” started in 1799 (p.171)

23. The “Great Tribulation” started in 1914 (p.178)

24. Michael the Archangel is the Pope of Rome (p.188)

25. The 2 wings of the woman in Revelation 12:14 are the Old Testament and the New Testament (p.191)

26. England is a satanic country because it forcefully exports 5 million pounds of Opium to China each year (p.202)

27. The Great Pyramid of Egypt confirms the fact that the time of Harvest has come (p.226)

28. Revelation 14:20 provides us with the precise distance between Scranton, Pennsylvania (where this book was written) and Bethel in Brooklyn (where this book was printed) … 137.9 miles (p.230)

29. The clergy are like dumb dogs because they prefer to remain silent rather than accept one single “Truth” from Russell’s precious writings (p.238)

30. The republics will disappear in the Fall of 1920. Every nation will cease to exist as they get swallowed up by anarchy (p. 258)

31. The “glory” of the angel mentioned in Revelation 18:1 enlightened to earth resulting in such great discoveries and inventions such as the electrical motors, airplanes, the Panama Canal, vacuum cleaners, the books from the Watchtower, etc. (p.273)

32. The “voice out of heaven” mentioned in Revelation 18:4 is the voice of the Watchtower (p.276)

33. According to Revelation 18:14, during the millennium, the clergy will have to work for a living. This means that each preacher in Christianity will have to spend 65 cents for an alarm clock (p.285)

34. The God sitting on the throne in Revelation 19:4 is Jesus (p.290)

35. God assumes full responsibility for the entire volume of Studies in the Scriptures (p.295)

36. The Kingdom of a thousand years started in 1874 with the second coming of Jesus (p.301, p.386)

37. According to Revelation 21:17, the number of sheep at the end of the thousand-year reign will be approximately 20.7 Billion (p.323)

38. When Russell understood the full import of God’s Word, he took a firm stand. The spirit, power and influence of God entered him, never to leave (p.377)

39. Ezekiel 5:2, 12, 16, 17 refers to the way in which Jerusalem was destroyed in 606BCE and 70-73EC and it also refers to the way Christianity is being destroyed between 1914 and 1918 (p.398)

40. God’s Day of Vengeance started in 1914 and will culminate in 1918 (p.404)

41. The literal fulfillment of Ezekiel occurred in 1898 when a miller, who publicly thanked the Virgin for dear bread, literally threw gold and silver at a crowd in the streets in a vain attempt to pacify them. But they demanded his life and took it (p.407)

42. According to Ezekiel 11:9, Christianity will literally fall in the hands of labor unions, socialists and anarchists (p. 425)

43. The preachers of Christianity say things that originate in their own imagination (p.432)

44. According to Ezekiel 17:22 and 20:42, Zionism and Judaism will proper on Earth as their leaders will be Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others upon their resurrection (p.450, p.462)

45. The congregation mentioned in Ezekiel 23:46 are union workers, socialists, democrats and anarchists (p.480)

46. In fulfillment of Ezekiel 24:15-19, God took away Russell’s desire for his wife by putting a spiritual plague over her which made her “dead” in the eyes of Russell (p.483, p.484)

47. God will destroy all of the churches on earth including all of its millions of members in 1918. It is expected that this will occur on or around April 27, 1918 (p.485, p.513, p.530)

48. All Jews will return to their native land according to God’s promise. Russell has been preaching the message Zionism since October 1910 (p.536, p.554, p.555)

49. In 1878, during the First Resurrection, God raised up the members of the Body of Christ, the “stem of David” (p.539)

50. According to Ezekiel 40:1, the establishment of the Kingdom on earth will occur 13 years after 1918 (p.569)

Well, I think that’s quite enough note-taking for a book filled with lies and false predictions… Just thought some of you newbies might be interested in knowing what the Watchtower was teaching in 1918 when Jesus came down for his inspection and chose the Watchtower.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-Jesus-approved

zodiakzax:
like I said, you are confused... I just can't stop laughing at your explanations. A learned person after the truth will diligently dissect my scriptures, and see that Jesus is said to have the attributes only God says He has. And I told you that, Jesus is said to be the creator of the world, and it is by Him and through Him that ALL things were created. God says I by myself laid the foundation of the earth. He could have said I by My Son or I by my Word laid the foundation of the earth,but He said I by my OWN Hand laid the foundation of the world. Heb 1:10, God saith of the Son, that "thou,Lord in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" but then you keep on quoting John 17 (I don't even know why you do that) it Is clear that Jesus was praying as a Man when he prayed that prayer. In vs 4 of. John 17, did Jesus not tell God that He had finished the work which God gave Him to do? Did He come as God to do God's work? No. He came as a man to do God's work ( and that is wht is confusing you guys). Then in vs 5 did He not tell the Father to glorify Him with the Father's own Glory? Which God says he shares with no one? Him calling the Father the one true God, doesn't it make sense to you? That Jesus as a man Has a God? Look honestly I have lost respect for you,your brethren and your organisation. I mean why would you change scripture to suit your doctrine? One appalling one is Heb 1:8. And I don't really Reply to ur comments bcs you make no sense. Sorry

zodiakzax:
good you posted it here, there's more to that book, by the way I have a copy, even though in pdf but it's very exciting to know what Russell said about Christ and the Holy Spirit. Here is more:

On pgs. 66, 69, 211, 423, 560, 648, and 719 of Jehovah's Witnesses--- 39)? Proclaimers of God's Kingdom the , reference is made to Studies in the Scriptures The Finished Mystery , which was the 7th of series published by the WTS in 1917 (pg 66, 719), and was the major publication of the WTS at that time. On pgs. 88, 648, and 651, a picture of this book appears, complete with the winged disk symbol of the Egyptian sun god Ra on its front cover.
Is it true that The Finished Mystery taught that Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, and the Almighty of Rev 1:8 (pg 15),

that Christ established a "Church" (pg 17), that Christ returned invisibly in 1874 (pg 54, 60, 68),

that Armageddon was definitely going to occur in the spring of 1918 (pg 62 and 128),

that the Holy Spirit has a personality (pg 57),

that the great pyramid of Giza was God's stone witness and was used to predict the year of Armageddon (pg 60),

that Christ was crucified (pg 68),

that Heb 1:6 is translated, “Let all the angels of God worship him”

that Nah 2:3 is the Pope of Rome and the angels 6 describes the railway train (pg 93),

that the great earthquake of Rev 6:12 refers literally to the Lisbon earthquake of Nov 1, 1775, and it refers symbolically to the American Revolution (pg 119),

that the sun becoming black in Rev 6:12 refers literally to a dark day which occurred on May 19, 1780, and refers symbolically to the light of the papal heavens darkened when Napoleon fined the Pope 10 million dollars and took the Pope a prisoner to France (pg 120),

that Christ is eternal, “the same yesterday, today, and forever Heb 13:8?


Now to the JW's: Your founder and infact the founder of the organisation you found your self in, taught this. Why do you deny most of them now? How come the finished mystery is banned and removed from your libraries? If it's by God why have your leaders change it? Nay, its only satan who changes.Satan is limited in his wisdom you know. This shld open your eyes and may God help you to understand the truth.

brocab:
FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE LISTENED TOO, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF YOUR PAGE, THIS ALONE IS TELLING EVERYONE YOU WANT THE WORLD TO SEE ITS ABOUT YOU AND IT SHOWS IT'S NOT ABOUT CHRIST.

As the world can see below, you continual to mock the word of God, and of course I refuse to answer any of your silly questions below, with what information I give to you, won't be the answers you are seeking, even if the truth is written in the bible.

The blind don't see, what the blind don't know.

You call yourself a Jehovah Witness then you should already know "what your answers will be".
Now explain {Revelation 1:7:8} and explain it to me, write it directly to me on this page. not to others, I need to hear it straight out of the horses mouth-who is coming, and who is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, and I Am He that lives, and was dead, and behold I Am alive forevermore. And I have the keys of Hades and death.

Anybody can write the scriptures down, without explaining who this is, I had asked you to explain who it is, and of course you had refused to do your job explaining who this is, you had only written the scripture down on paper not explaining who is this scripture talking about?

This just shows you are full of yourself, and shame on you, Mr Jehovah Witness.
Once you have explained this, then we will go on to the next paragraph, for you to explain where in the bible does it say the archangel Michael was delivered to earth by God to be His Son Jesus Christ.
If you could answer this simple question, then we haven't anything to argue about any longer.

solite3:
Amin.please is there a way I can get the PDF book.
They will tell you those were their formal belief. hmm. the blind leading the blind.

zodiakzax:
yes just give me. Your email and I will send it to you right away.

zodiakzax:
like I said, you are confused... I just can't stop laughing at your explanations. A learned person after the truth will diligently dissect my scriptures,

and see that Jesus is said to have the attributes only God says He has. And I told you that, Jesus is said to be the creator of the world, and it is by Him and through Him that ALL things were created.

God says I by myself laid the foundation of the earth. He could have said I by My Son or I by my Word laid the foundation of the earth,but He said I by my OWN Hand laid the foundation of the world. Heb 1:10, God saith of the Son, that "thou,Lord in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

but then you keep on quoting John 17 (I don't even know why you do that) it Is clear that Jesus was praying as a Man when he prayed that prayer.

In vs 4 of. John 17, did Jesus not tell God that He had finished the work which God gave Him to do? Did He come as God to do God's work? No. He came as a man to do God's work ( and that is wht is confusing you guys). Then in vs 5 did He not tell the Father to glorify Him with the Father's own Glory? Which God says he shares with no one? Him calling the Father the one true God, doesn't it make sense to you? That Jesus as a man Has a God?

Look honestly I have lost respect for you,your brethren and your organisation. I mean why would you change scripture to suit your doctrine? One appalling one is Heb 1:8. And I don't really Reply to ur comments bcs you make no sense. Sorry

alexis:
Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

dolphinheart:
so in your world , the size of the post determines the intention of the writer, well you are right in a way, my post is getting larger cus you refused to attend to them, expecially the scriptures about Jesus you are being asked to quote and explain.


keep on giving excuses, you can't answer them sir, cus you know that answering them will expose your doctrines as lies!. The world can also see that apart from the questions and issues raised, there are also scriptures he refused to quote and explain!


but some cases are worse, refusing to see, qoute and explain even when they know it!



AGAIN I TELL YOU BROCAB, GOD WILL JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THIS ISSUE OF REV 1: 78. IVE EXPLAIN ED THOSE VERSES, INCLUDING REV 1:1,4-6, REV 3:2,12 AND HEB 1:9.
YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THOSE POSTS, LATER YOU CLAIM ED YOU DID NOT SEE THEM, THAT I SHOULD SHOW THEM TO YOU AGAIN. I POINTED THE PAGE AND WHEN IT WAS POSTED TO YOU, YOU SAID THAT I SHOULD POST IT AGAIN, I DID SO AGAIN, A SECOND TIME! POINTING TO THE FATHER THAT I HAD, LIKE THE FIRST TIMES, MENTIONED YOU THERE SO THAT YOU WUNT CLAIM THAT YOU DID NOT SEE IT !

THE WORLD CAN NOW SEE WHO IS DELIBERATELY BLIND!

As to the bolded, I've asked you twice to show the scripture where you got those words from, so that i can quote it and explain it ,but you refused to do so!


PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!


brocab, I'm not the one who had been talking about himself throughout this thread, as for the arch angel issue, we will get to that, but for now I see it as another desperate attempt to change the topic under discussion, cus there are still issues at hand for you to respond to, let's clear them first!

issues at hand:
you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?