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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:54pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
INTERESTING, So the JW's agreed that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega in {Revelation 1:8, 21:6, 22:13, and page 15, page 318, } Listen to dolphinheart he refuses to believe. zodiakzax: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 3:28pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
brocab:No sir, I've done it TWICE! sir, and on each occasion, I mentioned you more than ten times so you will be able to see it. pls dnt miss out pls check the thread again, also check your mentions, you will see it there, they are not posts you should miss out on! but meawhile , this issues need your attention : PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN! ........................................................ you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines." I asked you : you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war! Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of brocab, there are still other isues at hand 1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"? bunch of liars! 2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives! .............................. And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised? also up till now , you have not answered these questions (ill find that post and point it to you) ...................................... you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture: [b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself. Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question. brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures : 1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18 17. 2 cor 1:3 18. Eph 1:3 19. 1 pet 1:3 20: 2Cor 8:6 21. 1 cor 15: 27,28 And a host of others ............................................. Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty! ................................................ YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS. Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him: [b]King James Version Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus! King James Version Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera! but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him! dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in? * this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to . Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord. brocab pls tell us 1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN? 2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM? If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body! before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie. King James Version Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus. john 21: 12 New International Version Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you". Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus. I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will! spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef! sir do you ever read the scriptures at all. It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God! human body is flesh and blood! how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not! how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm. brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not? how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:21pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Nope - in His human form, He didn't know the time. Also, there are Biblical references that states Jesus knew ALL things. We have it in John 21:17: He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep Jesus did not correct Peter and say, "Hold on Peter, I do not know all things." He let Peter continue on with his statement that Jesus knew all things. Therefore, it must be true. Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said that the Father alone knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience was attributed to Jesus |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:23pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Dude - I can't argue with you when it comes to grammar and comprehension. You have successfully made yourself look stupid. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:25pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Again, I can't argue with you. Your stupidity is alarming but even more dis-honest and very shallow . |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:35pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Can you please show us where the septuagint said CREATE? I am not arguing that RSV said create or not. The point was simple, the verse was talking about Wisdom and not Jesus. But most importantly, God existed eternally and He used Wisdom and that is what Proverbs 8:22 was referring to. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:48pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Revelation 3:14 is saying that Jesus was the source of all created things. Jesus Christ was not the beginning of God's creation, but rather He was the One in whom all creation had its beginning. The Bible has made it CLEAR that He created EVERYTHING - every single thing. You on the other hand want to dispute what EVERYTHING means. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:54pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
goodnews201668:Very simple: Revelation 3:14 is saying that Jesus was the source of all created things. Jesus Christ was not the beginning of God's creation, but rather He was the One in whom all creation had its beginning What can you say about: 1. Revelation 1:11 and Isaiah 44:6 2. Revelation 22:13 I am interested in your answers |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 5:58pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
CAPTIVATOR:I have addressed this question already |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 6:39pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
CAPTIVATOR:I will answer you but first answer my question ]IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE god |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 7:03pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
I have received your mail. Thanks@ zodiak |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 7:05pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
alexis:dont be scared okay, calm down .... you only sais Jesus knew his death and ressurection e.tc , you said nothin regarding this. so I await ur response |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 7:07pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
alexis:dont be scared okay, calm down .... you only said Jesus knew his death and ressurection e.tc , you said nothin regarding this. so I await ur response: did Jesus knew the day and time of the end ? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 7:30pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
alexis:eeyah, next time when you do a google search and verses like this are presented to you.. dig deeper to avoid been trashed. before Jesus died sef , u can tell me omniscience was attributed to him , afterall the disciples said as did peter from which u draw ur conclusion: " Now we know that you know all things, and don't need for anyone to question you. By this we believe that you came forth from God." John 16:30 ( confirm! this was before Jesus died ) now if u take the apostles statement as doctrine, then are you now telling me Jesus lied when he said he didnt Know whereas apostles said he knows all ? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 7:41pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
alexis:lol, I checked and he was right ... the same expression brought forth with labor pains was used for earth at psalm 90:2 which we all agree means the earth was create, so I dont know why we cant admit same at proverb 8:23,24 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 7:57pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
alexis:"And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God "Rev 3:14 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 8:45pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Why would i continue this discussion when you have deny what the bible said? Maybe you will soon tell us that Jesus created the father instead. Revelations 3:14 is not talking about source of creation, its talking about the beginning of creation. We will continue when you are honest alexis: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 8:50pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
brocab:yep, that was what their founder believed in and taught. Even though some of Russell's believe was totally wrong, he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God. Guess the newer generation knows better lol... confused pple. They won't address it. They are scared you know. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 8:56pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
solite3:welcome bro |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:22am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Lie Lie jozzy you have no knowledge at all of things of the Spirit nor can you have. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:24am On Jun 04, 2016*. Modified: 2:25am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Lie Lie jozzy Of course the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit God is God and the word God is Spirit God and the word is Spirit God and the word is the Holy Spirit These simple truths of the Spirit, cannot be understood by sectarians and other non believers. johnw74:In (brackets) mine, things are spelt out and false jw still doesn't see-believe it |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:27am On Jun 04, 2016*. Modified: 1:23am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Praise the Lord it just shows how the Lord works in each of us Christians, and bless zodiakzax's heart, that the Spirit of God had used him to open up this great page, for us all to see. Dolphinheart you need to check this sight out before we go any further with this conversation below Charles Russell had made you look like complete fools, everything you have written on this page-you had lied from the beginning. Chapter 3-Charles Russell himself agree's the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus, {Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 {P.55, P 318, P 336} does this prove brocab was right and dolphinheart was wrong once again? Interesting. Russell had turned this conversation upside down, this shows his leadership and studies into bible literature doesn't really matter any longer concerning the JW's. Meaning your bible scholars had completely changed Russell's manuscripts. And with this website Russell said In chapter 5-there's no need to learn the Hebrew or the Greek language to gain a correct understanding of the bible since the Presbyterians and the Methodists have a good version of the bible {P-55}. But I like this one" Chapter 24-Michael the archangel is the Pope of Rome. "And Not Jesus" which you all claim Him to be... It seems your bible scholars had decided to change history, this is got to be upsetting for you all, everything you have written had been a waste of time, but it's not your fault dolphinheart, you have been taught the lie, rather then the truth. {Matthew 23:13} "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Trying to rewrite a new bible, is a no-no in the Lords eye's. Your leadership had knowing you suckers will follow after the lie, more then the truth, this is your chance to seek the truth 'go with some of Russell's teachings, and know the truth? Your bible scholars are lairs, they had completely changed Russell's manuscripts and it's leading you all to hell. Don't be fools seek the word of God, and come and join with us, we stand in God's army, the larges army there is' in the kingdom of God. If your bible scholars had changed history and disagree's against Russell's teachings, what other lies have you and your collies been taught over the years you have been faithful towards your organisations. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-jesus-approved zodiakzax: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:36am On Jun 04, 2016 |
How good are you bro. Well done. I can already see the changes, where are you dolphinheart and the rest of his nutters? I will keep this sight just to remind them, these JW's need to rewrite their own bible once again. zodiakzax: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:52am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Lie Lie jozzy Jozzy4: Jozzy4:Jesus did say don't put your truth before the dogs and swine, didn't he. Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:58am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Lie Lie jozzy More lies from false jw: https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/images/jw-beliefs-must-be-a-JW-for-everlasting-life.jpg Only 144000 can be born again and will go to heaven. The rest of the faithful Jehovah's witnesses will live forever on paradise earth. Jesus' Body Didn't Resurrect Jesus did NOT resurrect bodily, when he resurrected. must be a jehovah's witness for everlasting life Holy Spirit is an active force The Holy Spirit is referred to as holy spirit and is Jehovah's active force likened unto a radar beam - NOT a person. Second Chance Some people will be given a second chance to accept God's ways during the 1,000 year reign of Christ. taking in knowledge for everlasting life Taking in knowledge, as defined by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, is the only way to get everlasting life! Do NOT Pray To Jesus We can NOT go to Jesus in prayer for salvation and can not have eternal life at this moment. (Eternal life to them is physical life, which lasts eternally!) must be a JW for everlasting life You must be a Jehovah's Witness to get everlasting life! The Watchtower (God's visible organization) is God's one and only ark to survive. (See image) watchtower alone can understand the bible Only the Watchtower Society can correctly interpret the Bible. (See image) Clearly, the Watchtower Society has taught one can NOT understand the bible apart from their teachings, which therefore are needed to take in knowledge to get everlasting life! If you believe such LIES, you will be hooked and be under their slavish control to never escape:jehovahs witnesses answered We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the "faithful and discreet slave" organization. (The Watchtower, 2-15-1981) From Chile's report we read: "A special pioneer making a return visit asked the lady what book teaches us the will of God. ‘The Watchtower, of course,’ she said. Our sister proceeded to explain that it was, rather, the Bible. 'Yes, but what would I do with my recently obtained Bible if I did not use The Watchtower to understand it.?'" (1983 Yearbook of the Jehovah's Witnesses, p. 21.) It is only by studying the WATCHTOWER magazine and kindred publications that they can get the needed life--giving knowledge. There is no other source. (Informant, July 1940, p. 2) NOTE: To believe only the Watchtower Society can correctly teach the Bible, as they teach the gullible Jehovah's Witnesses, is to also cause the individual Jehovah's Witness to thereby disregard all correction from Christians, since the Christians are not spreading Watchtower teachings! It is a win win situation for the dangerous Watchtower Society and a lose lose situation for the individual Jehovah's Witness, who is in dire need of eternal life through the Lord Jesus Christ. more here: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/images/jehovahs-witness-false-teachings-jw.org.jpg more truth on the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites: http://jwfacts.com/ https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 3:23am On Jun 04, 2016 |
johnw74: , remain in your blindness ... the bold said it all |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 3:28am On Jun 04, 2016 |
brocab:OMG! simple question i asked : who did the bible called THE GOD OF our lord Jesus Christ ? Eph 1:17 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 3:32am On Jun 04, 2016 |
brocab:and u think Jehovahs Witnesses follow a man ? sorry o uv miss road if thats what u think |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 3:34am On Jun 04, 2016 |
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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:21am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Interesting? I will get a lot of good reading from the Finished Mystery book, while reading down the page I had found this to be interesting-Russell's meat in due season. It say's this "To talk with a Jehovah witness in our day will usually mean that the identity of our Lord Jesus will be readily reduced far below the truth found in the bible regarding His deity. But strangely Charles Taze Russell Believed Jesus is the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8 This was the very few times that Russell was correct in his teachings about Jesus} This just shows the world the JW's don't follow after their own leadership C. T. Russell today, and I find it Interesting to know the JW's on this page would place themselves in full view to the world, by admitting they are willing to lower themselves by lying for the public to see, and of course they had denied their very own founder Mr Russell's teachings. The JW's are willing to lower themselves to every creeping thing that crawls on this earth. Case is closed dolphinheart, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, written and signed in full by your high and mighty Charles. T. Russell himself. I advised the JW's to look up C. T. Russell's teachings and match it up with the bible and study what the truth is. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:33am On Jun 04, 2016 |
Well you still follow after your bible scholars teachings, even though you had left C. T. Russell behind, you still follow man who had written your New World Translation bible of lies. At least C. T. Russell seen the truth, Jesus is the Almighty-where you yourselves can't see any of that truth. Do what you do best "hide. Jessicha: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:33am On Jun 04, 2016 |
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