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goodnews201668:
You didn't even bother to read his post, Russell rejected flase teachings. Unfortunately most of you have been feeding on many false teachings and will continue till you die even when you know your doctrines are false! It takes great humility to reject false beliefs and make adjustments. By the way tell us your own Church.

goodnews201668:
See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.
No wonder atheist even mock you people!

zodiakzax:
sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.

No wonder atheist even mock you people!

MrEmekaa:
"Who Was the Founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses?


The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20."

MrEmekaa:
"Who Was the Founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses?


The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20."

zodiakzax:
sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

zodiakzax:
according to your founder Jesus is Almighty God and that is what we also blv in. Sorry u make no sense. I don't think you have read the finished mystery, so send me your email and I will send a copy to you.

And not only the atheist mock us, the Muslims,hindus, satanic followers, Mormons, Jehovah Witness (WTS)etc you can see the trend right? Same category, same father, same lost pple who shall fight against the Truth bcs it will set them free.

Which truth? Trinity and the rest? They are not only mocking you, they know it doesn't make sense! How many of your doctrines have you ever adjusted? You won't tell us your Church so we won't mock you.
For your mind you know the truth.



e doesn't want that you know; your father, Satan, always moves around like a wild lion seeking whom to devour. Unfortunately u r part but all is not lost, turn to God and Jesus and you shall be saved.

brocab:
And according to C. T. Russell's teachings, Jesus is the Almighty God.

brocab:
How good it this dolphinheart you are back in action,

again this isn't about you dolphinheart, this time we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe, as you can see we have different doctrines, Russell's doctrine is different from your doctrine.

Russell believes Jesus is the Almighty, he also believes Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega in {Revelation 1:8, 21:6, 22:13}
So you are right I don't believe in your doctrine of lies. And It shows someone has to believe in some of Russell's teachings, obviously you have forgotten who your master, teacher and founder is.

Because you yourself had denied Christ, and refusing to explain who the Alpha and the Omega is, then of course Russell had to come to the rescue and save the day.

He had answered my questions clearly-only because of your refusal C. T. Russell agree's that {Revelation 1:8} is talking about Christ, and of course I myself agree with some of Russell's teachings on the bible, then It's right for me to back the man up on these few issues.

After reading some of the Finish Mystery of Russell's manuscripts it shows clearly today's JW's had left his teachings behind. Instead of agreeing with the man 'you have all turned after Satan.

The old argument is finished, the new argument is about to start, is Jesus the archangel Michael? Or is the archangel Michael Jesus the Pope?
So from now on dolphinheart it is best for you to quote your own lies to your own master the devil himself. You may have lost your way-trying to find the lies you seek, you won't find it amongst us Christians. Unless you are searching what is truth, and you need us Christians to help you find that truth in Christ? "Amen"

johnw74:
God and the Word, is the Holy spirit

CAPTIVATOR:
, remain in your blindness ... the bold said it all

Jozzy4:
Blindness @ bold

goodnews201668:
You are sounding like a broken record, anyways that's what you guys always know how to do anytime the truth is been shown to you guys the next thing is to go and hack on irrelevances.

zodiakzax:
. What did you do to my post? There are somethings there tht I didn't say, so where did you get them from or where trying to quote me and couldn't? Here is what I wrote so no gets confused


according to your founder Jesus is Almighty God and that is what we also blv in. Sorry u make no sense. I don't think you have read the finished mystery, so send me your email and I will send a copy to you.

And not only the atheist mock us, the Muslims,hindus, satanic followers, Mormons, Jehovah Witness (WTS)etc you can see the trend right? Same category, same father, same lost pple who shall fight against the Truth bcs it will set them free. He doesn't want that you know; your father, Satan, always moves around like a wild lion seeking whom to devour. Unfortunately u r part but all is not lost, turn to God and Jesus and you shall be saved.

zodiakzax:
according to your founder Jesus is Almighty God and that is what we also blv in. Sorry u make no sense. I don't think you have read the finished mystery, so send me your email and I will send a copy to you.

And not only the atheist mock us, the Muslims,hindus, satanic followers, Mormons, Jehovah Witness (WTS)etc you can see the trend right? Same category, same father, same lost pple who shall fight against the Truth bcs it will set them free. He doesn't want that you know; your father, Satan, always moves around like a wild lion seeking whom to devour. Unfortunately u r part but all is not lost, turn to God and Jesus and you shall be saved.

dolphinheart:
I have never gone out of action before, no whinch me bad thing!



it is not about me but you could say "we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe" Haba! , when it's now about me, what will you say.
brocab , you ones claimed my doctrine is different from that of the organizations doctrine, I asked you to provide one of their present doctrines that is different from mine. you have failed to do so.


you sha want to force founder on me sha, well it's the only way your views could have some meaning, but note, the organization has told you who their founder is!, argue it all you want!



YOU ARE A LIAR BROCAB!, IVE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES ON THIS THREAD AND ON EACH OCCASION MENTIONED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES.

It is you who have for months refused to quote and explain scriptures in which jesus was mentioned!


your teachings are false , that's why you can quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6. The person that did so said the one who is , who was and who is to come is the father!.


are you sure you read it, I dnt think so.



note: he attacks an organization but refuses to give alternatives
he refuses to respond to issues raised or answer questions he is asked !

we never ever had an old argument , all I'm requestING of you is to respond to to the issues at hand:


I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

goodnews201668:
See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.
No wonder atheist even mock you people!

solite3:
should atheist be praising me before, let me tell you it takes one who has the holy Spirit to say Jesus is Lord. If atheist start to praise me without coming to Christ then something is wrong with me.

Jozzy4:
Greek Wisdom in Prov 8:22 LXX (italics added - Brenton LXX in English): “The Lord made (ekitse) me the beginning of his ways for his works.

check strongs for that greek word ekitse, it means create. thats Septuagint for you.

goodnews201668:
Why would i continue this discussion when you have deny what the bible said? Maybe you will soon tell us that Jesus created the father instead.
Revelations 3:14 is not talking about source of creation, its talking about the beginning of creation. We will continue when you are honest

CAPTIVATOR:
"And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God "Rev 3:14

CAPTIVATOR:
lol, I checked and he was right ... the same expression brought forth with labor pains was used for earth at psalm 90:2 which we all agree means the earth was create, so I dont know why we cant admit same at proverb 8:23,24

CAPTIVATOR:
eeyah, next time when you do a google search and verses like this are presented to you.. dig deeper to avoid been trashed.

before Jesus died sef , u can tell me omniscience was attributed to him , afterall the disciples said as did peter from which u draw ur conclusion:

" Now we know that you know all things, and don't need for anyone to question you. By this we believe that you came forth from God." John 16:30 ( confirm! this was before Jesus died )

now if u take the apostles statement as doctrine, then are you now telling me Jesus lied when he said he didnt Know whereas apostles said he knows all ?

CAPTIVATOR:
dont be scared okay, calm down .... you only said Jesus knew his death and ressurection e.tc , you said nothin regarding this.

so I await ur response: did Jesus knew the day and time of the end ?

CAPTIVATOR:
okay, did Jesus knew the day and hour that the world will end ?

brocab:
A very enjoyable book 'it is very interesting? Everything the newer generational JW's had said is a pack of lies, and they really need to search what their own founder had said, before judging the world, who's right and who's wrong.
The Finished Mystery by Charles .T. Russell surely spells it out clearly, the JW's didn't exist before his teachings, and their existence is only through an organisation they call the watchtower.
Russell's manuscripts said Jesus is the Almighty, Jesus is The God and Worshipped on page 290
{Revelation 19:4} Fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying Amen; Alleluia-the God the Mighty One; here referred to the Lord Jesus {Revelation 5:8}
Charles Russell taught {Revelation 19:4} the Lord Jesus is God who is worshipped.
The JW's today vehemently fight against the deity of Christ, not knowing that C.T.Russell taught on {Revelation 1:8} Jesus the Almighty since His resurrection, and Jesus is the God and worshipped at {Revelation 19:4} According to The Finish Mystery.
If C.T.Russell was alive today he would be disfellowshipped from the Jehovah Witnesses, for teaching the truth about Christ.
Are you JW's taken notes, this maybe your time to find what the truth is, and the message of Salvation and how to get eternal life is the Lord Jesus. {1 John 1:2, 5:12-13}

Yes can you imagine, the founder of the JW's would be disqualified by his own creation. And who will disqualify him

zodiakzax:
you are doing a very good work, keep it up and let everyone who will chance by this thread read and know the truth about JW's and their founder Charles Russell. Indeed he would have been disfellowshipped by now, that got My attention, what an interesting news it would have been.

MrEmekaa:
You have the right and choice not to believe what the JWs believe... and JWs do not argue-there's no medal for winning an argument, and you will not be forced into agreeing with their believes otherwise that would be extremism.

My advise for you is this, wherever you see JWs, sit down with them and reason from the scripture from a neutral perspective and not from "I'm already right perspective." That's humility, and that is what is needed to understand God's word.