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CAPTIVATOR:
The greek lacks the definite article " the" in reference to the Word.

Smh



Oga u who has understanding, answer his question ?

so if the greek lacks the definite article "The" what right have you to add an indefinite article "A"? Your brother in your cult said " A GOD" not "a god" why did he use big G instead of small. Please go back to your Kingdom Interlinear greek Bible (KIT), your own greek to English translation and check John 1:1 out and let's see how it's rendered pls. KIT is a watch tower publication, just thought. You should know.

alexis:
Revelation 3:14 declares: "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.’" Using these words, Jehovah’s Witnesses claim Jesus to be the first creation of Almighty God and therefore, not God. The only problem here is the actual text. The word translated "beginning" (Gk. arche) here actually means "source." In other words, it means "beginning" as in the first cause, not in the sense of being the "first effect." Arche is used as such elsewhere in the book of Revelation. In chapter 21, verse 6, Almighty God says: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end . . ." Do we want to say God was created because arche is used to describe him? By no means! Understood properly, Revelation 3:14 reveals Jesus to be the source of God’s creation—God himself. This fits perfectly with John’s christological declaration in John 1:1-3: the Word created "all things . . . and without him was made nothing that was made." If the Word was created, he would have had to create himself, which is absurd.

Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation - Rev3:14

The Father is the source of all creation not Jesu , dont u read 1 cor 8:6 " the Father , FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE " !!!

zodiakzax:
so if the greek lacks the definite article "The" what right have you to add an indefinite article "A"? Your brother in your cult said " A GOD" not "a god" why did he use big G instead of small. Please go back to your Kingdom Interlinear greek Bible (KIT), your own greek to English translation and check John 1:1 out and let's see how it's rendered pls. KIT is a watch tower publication, just thought. You should know.

God or god ... The greek word remains theos. Wait, is it wrong to translate theos as god ?

CAPTIVATOR:
God or god ... The greek word remains theos. Wait, is it wrong to translate theos as god ?

thoes used there is not "god", in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God (theon) and same theos was used when in " and the Word was God (theos). What right do you have to render it " god"? Pls am waiting for the same verse from your KIT (kingdom Interlinear greek bible). Quote from the KIT bfr we continue this argument. If you can't then I suggest you shut up. Plus your friend said " God" not "god".

zodiakzax:
lol, dolphinheart is a noisy gong... He clearly doesn't know the difference between Christ's ministry as a Man and God.

pls zodiakzax , can you go back to that post of mine where I raised the issue, instead of coming here to make ego boosting statements!
you could not respond to that issue in that post and you are here claiming I dnt know difference.

And we have tried to explain it but it seems he thinks he knows best.

pls zodiakzax, dnt lie!, you have not responded to that issue I brought up.

He asks foolish qtns, and desire that we answer them. And bcs He can't comprehend the doctrine, he lacks the capability to understand this simple truth.

who be this we we that you guys are mentioning , I asked you about a statement you made, I did not ask we!

The Holy Spirit came over Mary and Mary became pregnant with Jesus. Jesus was both God and man but did not seem it fitting. To be equal with God so He took upon Himself the nature of a man so He can humbly serve God the Father.

why are you unable to quote those verses in which you took this understand from, it shows you are trying to hide some salient facts.
pls posts those scriptures and lets see who does not understand.
was Jesus both man and fully God when he was born on earth?(hope you will answer)
and pls surpport your answer with scriptures.

John 17, Jesus In vs 5 asks the Father to restore His glory same Glory the Father has (which He shares with no one) because He has completed the work He came to do. Jesus is in heaven as both God and Man.and that is why as man He calls God His God. Maybe this is too hard for dolphinheart to understand since he blv's Jesus is angel Michael. He still hasn't answer the qtn we've been asking him, if they say Jesus is "a god" what kind of God is He? Better to dny Jesys completely than to liken Him to a mere angel, at least Russell knew that. May God forgive them all.

I've quoted those scriptures to you, you refuse to respond to the quote and explanation found there, but you can come again to repeat the same false stories.

If jesus is a god, what kind of God is he?
answer : a mighty one

jesus had to say this about our God
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

the apostles said this about our God

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

Col 1:3[u]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/u] when we pray for you,

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him

the God that revealed himself to Abraham , the God of isreal, the only one called the almighty God , the most high, whose name is Jehovah is the one God , he is the father of jesus and Jesus told use that he(the father) is the only true god!

CAPTIVATOR:
MADE means what ? Cos sometimes i wonder how u guys think

hmm the word create as used there doesn't literally mean to create but a poetical way of expression if you are a literature student you will understand what I mean. Consider this
The Lord created me as the origin( or first cause) of his works before his acts of old
I was set up from everlasting before the earth was
The word 'create' can also be translated as establish or put forth or to possess
If we were to interpret that verse literally, it would mean that wisdom was eternally with God and what God used in creation.

zodiakzax:
thoes used there is not "god", in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God (theon) and same theos was used when in " and the Word was God (theos). What right do you have to render it " god"? Pls am waiting for the same verse from your KIT (kingdom Interlinear greek bible). Quote from the KIT bfr we continue this argument. If you can't then I suggest you shut up. Plus your friend said " God" not "god".

@ bold , the New World translation is not the only version that render theos as god in john 1:1,

Reason is : The word need to be distinguished from the God . those who render it as the Word was God are actually saying the Word was with God ( the Word ) ... Do we have two Words ?

You cant be with yourself.

brocab:
Everyone can see dolphinheart is gunning me down, firing his first bullet' with a miss-I am sure I have upset him in a great and Almighty way, his pages are becoming longer every time I look down on them.

a beg sir, no put guguru for my pocket o!. I just want you to adress the issues at hand, quote and explain the scriptures quoted to you for months now.

Your mind is playing tricks on you sir, if you think you have upset me, though I know that's one of your aims.

my posts are getting longer cus of you desperate refusal to adress the issues at hand, you are allowing them mount .

How funny is this, I myself had really got dolphinheart worked up, if he was to fight his own war, I am sure I would be at his top of the charts hit list..

for ya mind!

The rubbish he comes up with, the lies he tells in public view, shows he doesn't read any of the scripts we have posted to him that's written in the bible. Dolphinheart is in his own little world, that nothing else matters, not even if the truth stood right in front of him. Which it does.
The anger he writes the more lies pours out from His mouth against Christ, and of course he is against the King James bible in one way and uses it in the other.

if I tell you to point to one lie if told now, you will run away again.

meanWhile, issues at hand:

issues at hand:
I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!
PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
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1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?

If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

solite3:
hmm the word create as used there doesn't literally mean to create but a poetical way of expression if you are a literature student you will understand what I mean. Consider this
The Lord created me as the origin( or first cause) of his works before his acts of old
I was set up from everlasting before the earth was
The word 'create' can also be translated as establish or put forth or to possess
If we were to interpret that verse literally, it would mean that wisdom was eternally with God and what God used in creation.

Now I asked you what MADE means u started babbling . create doesnt literally mean create see your life

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation - Rev3:14

The Father is the source of all creation not Jesu , dont u read 1 cor 8:6 " the Father , FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE " !!!

so John1:3 Colossians 1:15 are lying. John said NOTHING CREATED WAS CREATED WITHOUT CHRIST which means as far as anything is called created then surely it was through Christ I guess it was because of folks like you he reinforced his words so that you will not be able to twist it. Paul again said that whatever in heaven or on earth or under the earth was created by him. I can see you are going round in circles. I promise to disgrace you with scriptures if continue this your lie again . as I have done before.by the way why didn't you quote the full verse of 1corit1:8 Shallum

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation - Rev3:14

The Father is the source of all creation not Jesu , dont u read 1 cor 8:6 " the Father , FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE " !!!

so John1:3 Colossians 1:15 is lying. John said NOTHING CREATED WAS CREATED WITHOUT CHRIST which means as far as anything is called created then surely it was through Christ I guess it was because of folks like you he reinforced his words so that you will not be able to twist it. Paul again said that whatever in heaven or on earth or under the earth was created by him. I can see you are going round in circles. I promise to disgrace you with scriptures if you continue this your lie again . as I have done before. Shallum

zodiakzax:
Dolphinheart, did you say Jesus has the same nature as God? Wow, so if He has the same nature is He not God? You again said. All things were created through Jesus, so why would the God say " I by my own Hands laid the foundation of the Earth"? God did not say " I by my Son or my Word laid the foundation of the Earth" but by His own hand, this shld tell you Jesus is God. What I can't understand Is, why have u changed your words? You are disgusting...

I have the same nature as my father, I'm I my Father? no
my Father is human, I am a human! I'm not my Father neither I'm I equal to Him.
As to the issue of creation: ZODIAKZAX, GO BACK TO THAT POST I EXPLAINED THINGS TO YOU USING THE SCRIPTURES , STOP ACTING AS IF YOU DID NOT SEE IT.

people who personality attack others during a discussion without proof show who they really are!

CAPTIVATOR:
Now I asked you what MADE means u started babbling . create doesnt literally mean create see your life

I guess you don't know the difference between poetical use of words and literary use of words. I guess you should go back to school.

CAPTIVATOR:
@ bold , the New World translation is not the only version that render theos as god in john 1:1,

Reason is : The word need to be distinguished from the God . those who render it as the Word was God are actually saying the Word was with God ( the Word ) ... Do we have two Words ?

You cant be with yourself.

KIT (Kigndom Interlinear greek, which was publsih by the WTS) pls, and you founder Russell admits that Jesus is God almighty check it Out in the Finished Mystery. Maybe you will repent from your blasphemous doctrine.

zodiakzax:
You said it should be " A God"? So why Then did your people use "a god"? Small g, Do you now doubt your bible? Also note that "in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. This is Almighty God we are talking about here and the scripture there is referring to God Almighty. You pple are confused. Did The greek greek say "A God"? Or God, please reference me any greek mss you have. Since u like using greek.

U dont read and comprehend.

", Jesus is called a God same way humans are called Gods " that was my statement, if u can argue the underlined with me, i will take u serious ?

Plus You still lack understanding on the Prov 8 and the link we shared.

Just answer me: since u claimed its literal wisdom , then does it mean before creating wisdom Yahweh lacks wisdom ??

I Corinth 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

zodiakzax:
KIT (Kigndom Interlinear greek, which was publsih by the WTS) pls, and you founder Russell admits that Jesus is God almighty check it Out in the Finished Mystery. Maybe you will repent from your blasphemous doctrine.

Jesus is called Mighty God ( isa 9:6) , but not and never the Almighty God , put on your thinking ability which the book of proverb advised u to have and let me ask : can the Almighty God be subjected to anyone ? Can the Almighty God have a God he worship ?


Refusal to use ur brain is an insult to the one who gave you that Brain

solite3:
I Corinth 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

Can u see, one God = the father !!! not one God = trinity.

solite3:
I guess you don't know the difference between poetical use of words and literary use of words. I guess you should go back to school.

Create doesnt mean create ? Captivator, this ur friend have problem o

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever Amen.
Note this verse said that everything came from God, came through God and belong to God and yet all things came through Christ. So invariably Jesus is God

solite3:
so John1:3 Colossians 1:15 is lying. John said NOTHING CREATED WAS CREATED WITHOUT CHRIST which means as far as anything is called created then surely it was through Christ I guess it was because of folks like you he reinforced his words so that you will not be able to twist it. Paul again said that whatever in heaven or on earth or under the earth was created by him. I can see you are going round in circles. I promise to disgrace you with scriptures if you continue this your lie again . as I have done before. Shallum

He showed u with scripture that the Father is the source of creation, he is the one from whom all things came .

Only for u to revert to your default, does john 1:3 and Colosian 1:15 tell you the Father is part of the ALL things made through Jesus ? If u can tell me the Father is part of the ALL things,i will take u serious

Jozzy4:
Jesus is called Mighty God ( isa 9:6) , but not and never the Almighty God , put on your thinking ability which the book of proverb advised u to have and let me ask : can the Almighty God be subjected to anyone ? Can the Almighty God have a God he worship ?


Refusal to use ur brain is an insult to the one who gave you that Brain

oga but Russell said rev1:8 refers to Jesus na doesn't mean Russell didn't use his brain Jesus is God true. Is he a false God or a true God?

Jozzy4:
Create doesnt mean create ? Captivator, this ur friend have problem o

did I tell you create does not mean create. You are right I have a problem with liars

solite3:
Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever Amen.
Note this verse said that everything came from God, came through God and belong to God and yet all things came through Christ. So invariably Jesus is God

The "Him" at Romans 11:36 is talking about the Father, u can only make sense if you say jesus is the Father. If u cant admit that, just sharrap

solite3:
oga but Russell said rev1:8 refers to Jesus na doesn't mean Russell didn't use his brain Jesus is God true. Is he a false God or a true God?

Rusell give Rev 1:8 to Jesus, but he is not consistent with that explanation because at Rev 5:1 Rusell admit that this is talking about the Father. Whereas the Person sitting on the throne is the one called the one who is , who was and who is to come ( Rev 1:4) .


For ur information, anyone who claims Rev 1:8 refers to Jesus must be ready to accept that the one sitting on the throne at Rev 5:1 is Jesus ... To be consistent.

Jozzy4:
He showed u with scripture that the Father is the source of creation, he is the one from whom all things came .

Only for u to revert to your default, does john 1:3 and Colosian 1:15 tell you the Father is part of the ALL things made through Jesus ? If u can tell me the Father is part of the ALL things,i will take u serious

rev3:14 means Jesus is the source or originator of all things or you want to trickisly take away that title from him. All things are of the father and through the son. You lie it didn't say all things came from the father but all things are of him. go and check well

[quote author=solite3 post=46304235][/quote]1. They are points detailing how God gave jesus the Revelation and that Jesus is not the one who is, who was and who is to come.
It gave a detailed explanation of rev 1: 1,4-8 that you could not refute.
you could not quote and explain the scriptures mentioned their.

2. you could not even show prove of where I said what you accused me of .

3. In not posting for you to believe me, cus I know you wunt, but I want you to answer the questions posted to you.
and pls, stop cutting parts of my post ofF!

your questions are still pendin sir

Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.
lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b]

Jozzy4:
The "Him" at Romans 11:36 is talking about the Father, u can only make sense if you say jesus is the Father. If u cant admit that, just sharrap

otodo that verse is referring to the trinity

solite3:
did I tell you create does not mean create. You are right I have a problem with liars

solite3
word create as used there doesn't literally mean to create

Liar

solite3:
otodo that verse is referring to the trinity

Trinity kwa , do u say Jesus is the Father ?

solite3:
rev3:14 means Jesus is the source or originator of all things or you want to trickisly take away that title from him. All things are of the father and through the son. You lie it didn't say all things came from the father but all things are of him. go and check well

The Father is the source, from whom all things are !!! 1 cor 8:6

Jesus is the beginning of the Creation of God Rev 3:14 KJV , u agree with Kjv ?

solite3:
rev3:14 means Jesus is the source or originator of all things or you want to trickisly take away that title from him. All things are of the father and through the son. You lie it didn't say all things came from the father but all things are of him. go and check well

The Father is the source, from whom all things are !!! 1 cor 8:6

Jesus is the beginning of the Creation of God Rev 3:14 KJV , u agree ?