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Dolphinhaerts-Quotes>did the Father become man? NOOo!, it was the son that became man!

If no-one had seen God at anytime? Then who will the people see coming in the clouds, if this isn't Jesus

dolphinheart:
This ya new method of running away from posts directed to you and preferring to respond to post directed to someone else is interesting

good !


this is a lie! , that's why you could not quote the any scripture that surpport it.
did the father become man? NOOo!, it was the son that became man!

Read my explanation on phil 2: 6-8 again, read the scriptures you find there!, if you can, which I believe you cannot, respond to those scriptures, look at the questions and examine them


"you are very wrong sir, Jesus did not come as both man and God, I'll first quote and explain the scriptures you mentioned then add mine .

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the previous verses gives us an insight into what Paul was saying here , Philippians 2:6 makes no sense at all if Jesus is viewed as ‘God.’

[b]3.nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[/color]

some translations translate verse 5 as:" Have this attitude in yourselves, which was also in Christ Jesus."

If Jesus was ‘God’ he could not have been tempted to do something from “selfishness or empty conceit” nor could he be tempted to “merely look out for” his own “personal interests.
paul counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate one who “gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”

now does jesus beING in the form of God mean jesus is almighty God ? no , the earlier discussion about father and son being humans cus they have same nature clears that, and the fact that Jesus did not consider grabING the notion that he could be equal to God surpports that.
These other scriptures also give credence to the fact the jesus is not almighty God.

col 1:15 English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

English Standard Version
gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
some translations say : " in his image"
if seth is not adam cus he is in the image of adam and same nature with adam, then we can see that Jesus is not God cus he is in the image of God, just like seth is a man, like Jesus is a god.

let's continue, for verse 7, I'm going to quote from different translations to emphasis the point there
[b] phil 2:7
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, BEING MADE IN HUMAN LIKENESS.

English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

New American Standard Bible
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

International Standard Version
Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,

NET Bible
but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.[/u]

did this verse say Jesus retained his divine nature or form when he took on human form? no! the verse indicate jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF and became human. There was no addition of any form but a total change in form!

verse 8 supports this view
English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Jesus was found only in one form when he came to earth, not 2 in 1 form.
If jesus was fully God when he came to earth , satan would have right to claim no human can remain Faithfull to God and sinless till death, cus according to you jesus was more than human, he was also God .

verse 9, and 11 now concludes the matter, snowing us that jesus is not God, nor he the God he was reffering to earlier, he also identified who god is.
HOPE YOU REMEMBER WHO JESUS CALL ED THE TRUE GOD, WHO HE IDENTIFIED AS OUR GOD AND WHO THE APOSTLES LISTED AS OUR GOD OUT OF THE MANY GOD'S.

English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
New International Version
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

do we have other scriptures that surpport this
[b]Joh 1:14So the Word BECAME FLESH and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Heb 2:9But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone.

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

read also Ac 2:32, 33; Joh 14:28; Isa 53:2, 3; Joh 10:17"




as I believe? no sir, this is What I believe:
rev 8:1
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty.

brocab , I believe that "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." is in reference to Jehovah, the father, the one who sat on the throne and the Lamb collected the scroll from, the almighty God who is the true God.

so next time pls pls pls, brocab, dnt tell lies about what I believe, pls I beg, dnt formulate what I believe in.



haha a a! can you see what defending a lie has started to make you say!
so jesus is the father in heaven
so jesus is lying when he told us to pray, our Father in heaven when actually he is the father right here on earth?
you are trying to tell us that jesus never had a second witness , that he is is own witness?

you are trying to say that the father died !
that the father sent himself!
that the father anointed himself!

READERS CAN YOU NOW SEE THAT WHEN THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO QUOTE AND EXAMINE CERTAIN SCRIPTURES , THERE FALSE TEACH INGS BECOME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.

THE SCRIPTURES MADE IT CLEAR BELOW
King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



another addition of false analogy, things that cannot be proven with the scriptures.

you quoted my post to someone else, but failed to respond to this:
"Secondly , you said the father is greater than me in position, can we apply these to jesus too,? if so then jesus is not the almighty God , cus no one is superior to the almighty God in position, that is why he is called the most high!"

Jozzy4:
Brainwashed man, read KJV Numbers 11:17,, holyspirit is called " IT " ,

Sarang:
Sorry but in the scripture where Archangel appears,it is SINGULAR.

There are no thousand chief angels.

And the prince of persia you mentioned actually STOPPED an angel coming to HELP Daniel the prophet.

If it stopped this angel from helping Daniel,how can it be an angel of God?

goodnews201668:
They're mocking you not because you're doing the right thing, but because you're confused! Jesus never claimed to be God!

Jozzy4:
The KJV said holyspirit is "IT" Numbers 11:17 , fight it

goodnews201668:
They're mocking you not because you're doing the right thing, but because you're confused! Jesus never claimed to be God!

Sarang:
Sorry but in the scripture where Archangel appears,it is SINGULAR.

There are no thousand chief angels.

And the prince of persia you mentioned actually STOPPED an angel coming to HELP Daniel the prophet.

If it stopped this angel from helping Daniel,how can it be an angel of God?

brocab:
Another JW bites the dust!
The bible never records Jesus saying the precise Words "I Am God" That does not mean however, that He did not proclaim that He is God.
Take for example Jesus's words in {John 10:30} I and the Father are One.
We only need to look at the Jews reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason; You are a mere man claim to be God {John 10:33}
The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming-deity When Jesus declared, "I and the Father are One" He was saying He and the Father are of One nature and essence. {John 8:58} is another example. JESUS declared I tell you the truth... Before Abraham was born I Am!
The Jews who heard this statement responded by taken up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded {Leviticus 24:16}

johnw74:
The Holy Spirit is somewhere referred to as "it", and false jw jozzy runs with that to support his satanic doctrine that the Holy Spirit is a power, and not a person, and he ignores the many verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person.

zodiakzax:
My advice is you stop right here before you make a fool out of yourself like Jozzy4.

brocab:
Am I receiving mail from someone like you-who doesn't even know who the Spirit of God is?
Someone who refuses to hear the truth about the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, surely shows a lot of hypocritically about yourself.
A little brain dead as you are, you can only read so little without even touching the sides who the Holy Spirit is, you can only see Him as an "IT" Or some kind of an Active force.
I suppose you see yourself having these same qualifications? Your own flesh and blood is an "IT" "Am I right?

alexis:
Good point - JW claim Jehovah is the creator and Jesus is the master maker: Are they both the same thing to you guys. I am not asking if Jehovah allowed Jesus or gave Him the power to do whatever. I am asking is the Creator and the Master Maker the same?

goodnews201668:
Jesus said i and the father are one, was Jesus saying he and his father are one God?

brocab:
Does this sound like dolphinheart hates me with a passion. What a joke, but thanks bro for answering all these meanness Questions dolphinheart keeps on throwing at me. Bless you brother.

zodiakzax:
My advice is you stop right here before you make a fool out of yourself like Jozzy4.

Jozzy4:
NO , infact Christ Jesus acknowledge Jehovah God HIS FATHER as The Creator {mat 19:4~6, Mark 13:19}

brocab:
Dolphinheart everything is a lie to you, you don't even believe in C.T.Russell and his own manuscripts, about who Christ is.

Dolphinhaerts-Quotes>did the Father become man? NOOo!, it was the son that became man!
{Revelation 1} If this is your case, then how can you believe God the Father is the one coming, and not Jesus?

How does one separate two that have the same qualifications with the other, can you separate yourself from your fathers seed. NOOo.

So why is it dolphinheart you believe God and His Son is separable, Jesus couldn't do anything without God, and you are trying to tell me

{Revelation 1:8} is only about the Father and 'not the Son? BOTH OF THEM ARE NOT SEPARABLE.

Everything the FATHER did JESUS did, And you are trying to convince me otherwise.

You won't listen to reason, nor do you understand who the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last is, every eye will see him coming in the clouds-He was alive, and became dead, and look He is alive forevermore.

If no-one had seen God at anytime? Then who will the people see coming in the clouds, if this isn't Jesus

Jesus said to Thomas, how can you say show me the Father, you have been with Me for so long, and still you don't recognise the Father? I and the Father are One.

What your problem is, you have your head so far up your back side, that every time you think you are becoming closer to the Lord, darkness over shadows you with more darkness, and if there was a little light shinning, you wouldn't recognise it.
Artiest as you are, and artiest you will stay. God help you.

alexis:
You are claiming Creator and maker are different here but in explaining the meaning of the Greek word of CREATE, you said that CREATE and MADE are the same.

In Hebrews 1:2: God the Father acknowledges it was through God the Son that the universe was created. In John 1:3, John confirmed that God the Son is the maker and creator of ALL things.

You can't selectively choose CREATOR means something one place and MAKER doesn't or CREATE and MADE are not the same when you defended it was the same elsewhere.

If that is not clear, read Colossians 1;16 = For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Can you please explain how God is the creator and Jesus is also the creator?

Jozzy4:
JESUS is never called "Creator" Bro.

Sorry but in the scripture where Archangel appears,it is SINGULAR.

And the prince of persia you mentioned actually STOPPED an angel coming to HELP Daniel the prophet.

If it stopped this angel from helping Daniel,how can it be an angel of God? :

goodnews201668:
Jesus said i and the father are one, was Jesus saying he and his father are one God?

Jozzy4:
False Teacher , Go And study personification in the scriptures , is " it " used for a person ?

Jozzy4:
This Noise is not needed , just show me where Rusell claimed to be the founder of Jehovahs Witnesses ? Or are u just spreading lies ? Show me where ?

Jozzy4:
JESUS is never called "Creator" Bro.

brocab:
Stop wasting my time read the scriptures.

brocab:
Another JW bites the dust!
The bible never records Jesus saying the precise Words "I Am God" That does not mean however, that He did not proclaim that He is God.
Take for example Jesus's words in {John 10:30} I and the Father are One.
We only need to look at the Jews reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason; You are a mere man claim to be God {John 10:33}
The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming-deity When Jesus declared, "I and the Father are One" He was saying He and the Father are of One nature and essence. {John 8:58} is another example. JESUS declared I tell you the truth... Before Abraham was born I Am!
The Jews who heard this statement responded by taken up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded {Leviticus 24:16}

Jozzy4:
False Teacher , Go And study personification in the scriptures , is " it " used for a person ?

johnw74:
The Holy Spirit is somewhere referred to as "it", and false jw jozzy runs with that to support his satanic doctrine that the Holy Spirit is a power, and not a person, and he ignores the many verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person.
The Holy Spirit is not just a person, but is God, but of course he doesn't know that either.

Some verses showing that the Holy Spirit is more than just God's power, but God Himself:

The Holy Spirit searches, the Holy Spirit is God:
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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God is Spirit
@red, The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God.

The Holy Spirit teaches:
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Holy Spirit can be grieved, the Holy Spirit has sealed believers:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
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You see there @red that the Holy Spirit, is the Holy Spirit of God, God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God.

The Holy Spirit can think things are good:
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

The Holy Spirit chooses to give gifts to some:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The Holy Spirit directs activities to Christians, the Holy Spirit forbids, the Holy Spirit let (suffered) them not:
Act 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
Act 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
Act 16:8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Act 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Act 16:11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Spirit sent the three men to Peter, the Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for [/b]I have sent them.

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Ghost gives Barnabas and Saul work to do, The Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Spirit talks, The Holy Spirit's voice is called "His" voice:
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

The Holy Spirit talks:
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

The Holy Spirit talks, the Holy Spirit is called "He", the Holy Spirit guides and shows you things to come:
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, and is called "He":
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit gives us words to speak in times of need:
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit can be lied to:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?




Of course false jw cannot know the Holy Spirit, He is not in them, neither does God know them.

Luk_13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


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