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macof:
then you should improve your knowledge of the lexicon of the English language. try getting the etymology of the words you are trying to understand as well as the way it was used by the native speakers of the language the word comes from

I've noticed you have a problem with English, you are a novice in philosophy as well.

Lol Okay ride on

dblackninja:
Mmmm *nodes* okay
Well I asked of yours because you rejected or are you telling me in another sense that you have accepted it?

You've been pushing down Zen Buddhists down my throat, how sure are you that I've even heard the word, or knew what they practice? How did you arrive at the point that they are not religious but spiritual??

Google no dey?

Quickly read it up online.

I have not accept your definition, I want to help you tear it down.

Are you accepting your incapability to align your sourced definition with Zen buddhism or "SBNR"?

FOLYKAZE:
Google no dey?

Quickly read it up online.

I have not accept your definition, I want to help you tear it down.

Are you accepting your incapability to align your sourced definition with Zen buddhism or "SBNR"?

Do you actually know that since we started this discussion that you haven't answered a single question of mine?
How can you help tear it down when you haven't told me how you came about your claim that Zen Buddhists are not religious but spiritual?? This is not the folykaze that I discussed with before. If you want to be triumphant in this one just tell me and I'll willingly award the trophy to you

dblackninja:
Do you actually know that since we started this discussion that you haven't answered a single question of mine?
How can you help tear it down when you haven't told me how you came about your claim that Zen Buddhists are not religious but spiritual?? This is not the folykaze that I discussed with before. If you want to be triumphant in this one just tell me and I'll willingly award the trophy to you

Yeeeeee!

Who are you? What is your original moniker pls?

Let me quickly come in, Spirituality is a state of being spiritual.

Spiritual

. . .Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not material or supernatural.

Spirit

not as in ghosts, but as in the essence of being human - your soul or your inner life. A spirit is vital principle or essence of being.

Putting the particles together, Spirituality can be defined as any kind of practical activity through which a person seeks meaning, purpose and essence of their existence and environment.

Some may find out that their spiritual life is linked to association with a church, mosque, temple or synagogue. Some may pray or find comfort in a personal relationship with God or a higher power. Still others seek meaning through their connections to natural world or art.

Spiritual path is about question our being, finding answers about our existence, purpose in life, why we are suffering and philosophy of life generally.

Now, let me bring it down to difference between religion and spirituality.

In Spirituality, one is concern about the vital principle. In religion, it is all about faith and belief.

In spirituality, the questions are: where do I personally find meaning, connection, and value. In religion, the questions are: what is true and right?

Religion is for those who are in. . .those outside are sidelined. Spirituality is about connectedness putting everything into one basket called Ultimate.

Religion creates many world (sect and doctrines), Spirituality creates a united world.

Religion creates fear and hope for blissful enjoyment, Spirituality create experience and eimination of burden.

Religion is founded. Spirituality is inbuilt.

Religion contain rules and regulation. Spirituality is about open mindness.

Now tell sir, do you understand Spirituality now and it differences with religion? Any question?

FOLYKAZE:
Yeeeeee!

Did I detect yeees? Oya take am...Eeh where my cup? No worry, will provide another one chaa.

Who are you? What is your original moniker pls?

Let me quickly come in, Spirituality is a state of being spiritual.

Spiritual

. . .Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not material or supernatural.

Spirit

not as in ghosts, but as in the essence of being human - your soul or your inner life. A spirit is vital principle or essence of being.

Putting the particles together, Spirituality can be defined as any kind of practical activity through which a person seeks meaning, purpose and essence of their existence and environment.

Some may find out that their spiritual life is linked to association with a church, mosque, temple or synagogue. Some may pray or find comfort in a personal relationship with God or a higher power. Still others seek meaning through their connections to natural world or art.

Spiritual path is about question our being, finding answers about our existence, purpose in life, why we are suffering and philosophy of life generally.

Now, let me bring it down to difference between religion and spirituality.

In Spirituality, one is concern about the vital principle. In religion, it is all about faith and belief.

In spirituality, the questions are: where do I personally find meaning, connection, and value. In religion, the questions are: what is true and right?

Religion is for those who are in. . .those outside are sidelined. Spirituality is about connectedness putting everything into one basket called Ultimate.

Religion creates many world (sect and doctrines), Spirituality creates a united world.

Religion creates fear and hope for blissful enjoyment, Spirituality create experience and eimination of burden.

Religion is founded. Spirituality is inbuilt.

Religion contain rules and regulation. Spirituality is about open mindness.

Now tell sir, do you understand Spirituality now and it differences with religion? Any question?

To borrow your line I'll ask, how can you relate that to Zen Buddhists
Well am exausted now will modify later.

FOLYKAZE:
English is not like mathematics where x=y is same as y=z.

Can you tell us how belief equals dogma?

Another attempt at deception. What's a dogma?

FOLYKAZE:
He didnt say belief is a dogma. What he said is that dogma is a belief.

He didnt say Orisha is an institution.

Keep the lies coming

Lol. English Language problem again. What's a dogma? Does Orisha relates to the divine? A simple Yes will redeem your integrity.

FOLYKAZE:
May the Gods help me through

I prefer Orisha who's name we are about.

Reyginus:
I prefer Orisha who's name we are about.

Orisha is not God ni?

Reyginus:
Lol. English Language problem again. What's a dogma? Does Orisha relates to the divine? A simple Yes will redeem your integrity.

How many times do you want to ask this same non-relevant question?

Reyginus:
Another attempt at deception. What's a dogma?

I do not remember telling you there is a problem with the definition you provided for the word "dogma".

You are supposed to tel us how belief equals dogma

macof:
stop trying to Insult me. you have never been exposed to ATR, you don't even have one traditionalist you can inquire from

I've told you before and I'll say it again... emboldened this time

BELIEF IS NOT DOGMA, A DOGMA IS A BELIEF if you can't understand this then you have cognitive problems

Lolololol. By whose definition? Maybe a little education will do. A dogma is also an opinion. It's also a statement. It's also a principle. The principal thing that makes a thing a dogma is that it is considered true regardless of any evidence for or against it.

You see, when you yap like the above you reduce a complex thing to a simple wrong thing. You can say a belief is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a statement is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a principle is a dogma and still be right. Do you get the point now?

Let me use an analogy. A watering can is a farm instrument. A hoe is a farm instrument. A sickle is a fishing instrument but you can't say an instrument is a sickle. Or that an instrument is a watering can. You can't say an instrument is a hoe. Do you understand now?

FOLYKAZE:
Orisha is not an institution set aside with rules, code, ethics, doctrine and dogma.

English is a really a problem here. What's an institution? Lol. Let me answer before he twists it.

Wikipedia where are thou:

'1. an organization founded for a religious,
educational, professional, or social
purpose.

2. an established law or practice.

3. the action of instituting something'

So your orisha worship or whatever you call it is still not an Institution

FOLYKAZE:
Orisha is not God ni?

I forgot. I thought he's not divine.

FOLYKAZE:
How many times do you want to ask this same non-relevant question?

So how then is your practise not Religion?

FOLYKAZE:
I do not remember telling you there is a problem with the definition you provided for the word "dogma".

You are supposed to tel us how belief equals dogma

I should tell you? Mischievous you? You should be telling how your descriptions is not Religion. Go ahead.

dblackninja:
Did I detect yeees? Oya take am...Eeh where my cup? No worry, will provide another one chaa.

was souting yeeeeee. I expected you to know all these.

dblackninja:
To borrow your line I'll ask, how can you relate that to Zen Buddhists

The essential element of Zen Buddhism is found in its name, for Zen means meditation. The essence of Zen Buddhism is achieving enlightenment by seeing one's original mind (or original nature) directly; without the intervention of the intellect, monk or book. This implies that all human beings are Buddha, and that all they have to do is to discover that truth for themselves.

This relates with spirituality as it is the search for the vital principle of being.

Aborisha are more spiritual just like Zen. The spark of human consciousness is called Ori. It is called Buddha in buddhism. In Yoruba, the essence of life is tied and can be sorted out with the help of Ori. . .the inner self.

The quest is, how can you identify your inner self?

What does your Ori inu (inner self) tells about your life outside? (purpose or essence of existence).

Every other problem can be solved easy when you connect with your inner self.

This is what spirituality is all about. It has nothing to do with religion and your god garbage.

In spirituality, there is a self. We call it Ori. Japanese call it Buddha. Ori and Buddha also translate to God or divinity but not in a monotheistic sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ori_(Yoruba)

In religion, human are selfless puppets. We are under the watch of one non-existing God who control us through hs managers.

To know your self is a task and if you succeed then you will become saint.

dblackninja:
Well am exausted now will modify later.

Pele tie

Reyginus:
So how then is your practise not Religion?

I am not ready to go in an endless circle with ya.

You can enjoy your own ride by yasef

Reyginus:
English is a really a problem here. What's an institution? Lol. Let me answer before he twists it.

Wikipedia where are thou:

'1. an organization founded for a religious,
educational, professional, or social
purpose.

2. an established law or practice.

3. the action of instituting something'

So your orisha worship or whatever you call it is still not an Institution

Mr, show me how Iseese is an institution.

FOLYKAZE:
I am not ready to go in an endless circle with ya.

You can enjoy your own ride by yasef

I wish you same too. I'm not ready to pretend something illogical makes sense.

FOLYKAZE:
Mr, show me how Iseese is an institution.

Another distraction. How did Iseese become Orisha?

Reyginus:
I wish you same too. I'm not ready to pretend something illogical makes sense.

I hate stagnation. Just shift abeg.

Have been repeating same thing, answering same question all long.

Make I rest abeg Rey

Reyginus:
Another distraction. How did Iseese become Orisha?

Orisha worhip is Iseese.

FOLYKAZE:
I hate stagnation. Just shift abeg.

Have been repeating same thing, answering same question all long.

Make I rest abeg Rey

Better for you. You better remain stagnated than flow backwards.

Reyginus:
Better for you. You better remain stagnated than flow backwards.

I wish I can push back the hand of time.

Call it backward. I like that

FOLYKAZE:
Orisha worhip is Iseese.

And it's not an established Practise? Is it not founded for purpose, whether social, educational? I'm done pretending there's sense behind these statements.

Reyginus:
And it's not an established Practise? Is it not founded for purpose, whether social, educational? I'm done pretending there's sense behind these statements.

Educational what? Iseese is not school or established for educational purposes.

Social? You think it is party things? It is more personal.

Religious purposes? We no get heaven or hell.

What else do you want to say?

Reyginus:
Lolololol. By whose definition? Maybe a little education will do. A dogma is also an opinion. It's also a statement. It's also a principle. The principal thing that makes a thing a dogma is that it is considered true regardless of any evidence for or against it.

You see, when you yap like the above you reduce a complex thing to a simple wrong thing. You can say a belief is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a statement is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a principle is a dogma and still be right. Do you get the point now?

Let me use an analogy. A watering can is a farm instrument. A hoe is a farm instrument. A sickle is a fishing instrument but you can't say an instrument is a sickle. Or that an instrument is a watering can. You can't say an instrument is a hoe. Do you understand now?

folykaze abeg how can this boy be helped from his cognitive problems?


you are telling me what I've been telling you @ emboldened.

lemme give you another analogy. ..

Fanta is liquid but Liquid is not Fanta

Belief: A feeling that something is true/exists
Dogma: a belief held by a group or organization which others are expected to accept without argument

I swear if you still come back to tackle this issue of belief and dogma, you need to go for therapy

FOLYKAZE:
I wish I can push back the hand of time.

Call it backward. I like that

Anyhow you want it. You know I can tell you backward means forward and you'd have no option than to accept it. I don't have to show it logically. Lol.

FOLYKAZE:
Educational what? Iseese is not school or established for educational purposes.

Social? You think it is party things? It is more personal.

Religious purposes? We no get heaven or hell.

What else do you want to say?

Lol. So heaven and hell make things Religious? Smh. Your worship is divine and has beliefs but it's not a Religion. You need self examination. Or better still ask Orisha for the gift of self disgust.

Reyginus:
English is a really a problem here. What's an institution? Lol. Let me answer before he twists it.

Wikipedia where are thou:

'1. an organization founded for a religious,
educational, professional, or social
purpose.

2. an established law or practice.

3. the action of instituting something'


So your orisha worship or whatever you call it is still not an Institution

this is irrelevant.

how does an institution = religion
this is how you intentionally twist my words

Reyginus:
Lol. So heaven and hell make things Religious? Smh. Your worship is divine and has beliefs but it's not a Religion. You need self examination. Or better still ask Orisha for the gift of self disgust.

Your problem now is divinity?

Let me for the sake of other readers address that.

I will employ you to read from this webpage on what spirituality is . http://m.dummies.com/how-to/content/exploring-the-meaning-of-spirituality.html

Now, on divinity, dictionary put it meaning as a state of being godlike or divine.

From the definition, you should be able to see that divinity is not an entity but a state of the mind which can be experienced.

What is godlike?

Godlike is a evolved level where a person transcend beyond materiality, worldvie and is capable of seeing reality as it and not what the mind create it to look like.


A Godlike person connects and relate with his inner self. Evolve outside the material world, experience reality in it purity, listen to his intuition and commune with Iponri.

This level of experience is godlike.

A spiritual person has an immediate experience of the divine or of some higher power. To achieve this, they have to connect with their inner self.

Spirituality brings one to that state of being divine.

Iseese brings you to the state of being divine.

Religion throws one in mental bondage.