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Diademk07:
Did you know why Dortmund still believed they made the best decision as regards to Lewy leaving for free?
Because he scored plenty of goals out of the ordinary, even in angles where he wasn't expected to score. Also, he was always dropping deep to create a lot.
The truth of the matter is Mikhi simply failed as Gotze replacement in the no 10 role. He was often moved around different position (no 10, wing and box-box) by klopp to atleast find the right position for his big money signing.
And the moment Lewy (who often turned his simple pass to goals) left, he looked even more rubbish.

The debate is Mkhi vs Willian not Mkhi vs Gotze.
As an intelligent guy you have to argue/ debate with clarity. In the time frame both were in the same club Mkhi was better, and definitely Willian was not the best player in those teams.
Willian does not score goals and does not assist, but he is very good at running upandan

afrodoc2:
The debate is Mkhi vs Willian not Mkhi vs Gotze.
As an intelligent guy you have to argue/ debate with clarity. In the time frame both were in the same club Mkhi was better, and definitely Willian was not the best player in those teams.
Willian does not score goals and does not assist, but he is very good at running upandan

And who compared him to Gotze?
You talked about his assists in his first season but why did you think Dortmund regarded him as a flop in his first season?
Because without Lewy, he wouldn't have had that assist in the first place and his overall play was average at best.

GBR1:
Diadem07 was Mikhi the best player in that Shaktar team that included Willian or not?

It's very simple. Stop doing this to yourself. Now you are debating who's the better player between them.

Not for me, I watched plenty of Shaktar CL games (Barca, Dortmund, Chelsea, Juve etc) and I don't even recall knowing him as a player let alone forming an opinion on him until his big money move to Dortmund.
Only Fernandinho, Willian, Costa and their right-back, Srna caught my eyes.

Diademk07:
Not for me, I watched plenty of Shaktar CL games (Barca, Dortmund, Chelsea, Juve etc) and I don't even recall knowing him as a player until his big money move to Dortmund.
Only Fernandinho, Willian, Costa and their right-back, Srna caught my eyes.

u can't recall knowing him because u don't sit down with intelligent fellows to watch matches....

from his days in Ukraine mkhi has been winning individual accolades and is still doing it with Dortmund...

someone won Ukraine league player of the year and highest goal scorer and u still don't know him....but u know his club mates who he shytes on
d only individual awards willian ever had in his playing career should be this year with Chelsea when other players seem not to be at their best.

in d times past mkhi has been better than willian....
presently he is still better....

afrodoc2:
What happened to Willian at Cheslea is irrelevant, what is relevant is that at practically every point in their careers Mkhi scored more and assisted more than Willian. Willian has pace, power, tenacity, work rate, discipline BUT he is not creative and he was not the best attacking player in the Shakhtar teams

Willian assists stat at Shaktar states otherwise.

Diademk07:
Not for me, I watched plenty of Shaktar CL games (Barca, Dortmund, Chelsea, Juve etc) and I don't even recall knowing him as a player let alone forming an opinion on him until his big money move to Dortmund.

So CL games are the only games in the season to judge a player? You didn't consider the league which has far more games and spans across different times. You goofed here.
Why did Willian end up in a useless club in Russia initially when he left Shaktar if he was so highly rated while Mikhi moved to Dortmund at the end of that season?
If not for Chelsea that bought his sorry ass from that club, who knows where he would've ended up.

Only Fernandinho, Willian, Costa and their right-back, Srna caught my eyes.

Your have poor eyes. I have known this for a long time already.

GBR1:
So CL games are the only games in the season to judge a player? You didn't consider the league which has far more games and spans across different times. You goofed here.
Why did Willian end up in a useless club in Russia initially when he left Shaktar if he was so highly rated while Mikhi moved to Dortmund at the end of that season?
Your have poor eyes. I have known this for a long time already.

Lol!
You mean you rated him on games you never saw?
Unbelievable!
My sight is damn good though. I rarely get it wrong with players and I could see why big clubs came calling for the likes of Willian and Fernandinho while clubs like Pool and Dortmund were the one interested in Mikhi.
Moreso, hardly any big clubs come for players in January. Willian left for Anzi for the dough, the same way Eto'o left Inter in his prime.

Diademk07:
And who compared him to Gotze?
You talked about his assists in his first season but why did you think Dortmund regarded him as a flop in his first season?
Because without Lewy, he wouldn't have had that assist in the first place and his overall play was average at best.

Who labelled him a flop after his 1st season.
Let me give you Whoscored's Bundesliga Team of the Season for 2013/2014


..............................Ter Stergen....................................

...Jantschke.......Hummels...........Naldo...............Rodriguez....

....Farfan........Baier.................MKHITARYAN.........Ribery........

.........................Firminho.........Lewandowski................

How can a flop score 9 goals and have 10 assists from CAM and make team of the season? From the same central role you said he was clueless in?

afrodoc2:
Who labelled him a flop after his 1st season.
Let me give you Whoscored's Bundesliga Team of the Season for 2013/2014


..............................Ter Stergen....................................

...Jantschke.......Hummels...........Naldo...............Rodriguez....

....Farfan........Baier.................MKHITARYAN.........Ribery........

.........................Firminho.........Lewandowski................

How can a flop score 9 goals and have 10 assists from CAM and make team of the season? From the same central role you said he was clueless in?

Whoscored rating?
Abegi! Imagine only Ribery out of the team that won the league?

Diademk07:
Lol!
You mean you rated him on games you never saw?
Unbelievable!
My sight is damn good though. I rarely get it wrong with players and I could see why big clubs came calling for the likes of Willian and Fernandinho while clubs like Pool and Dortmund were the one interested in Mikhi.

What nonsense are you saying again here?
When Willian left Shaktar, he joined Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia. Is that a big club ? Please tell me
Willian who you rate so much was playing in the useless Russian league and only ended up at Chelsea because Anzhi Makhachkala had financial troubles and had to sell him to make ends meet.

When Mikhi left Shaktar he joined, Dortmund who won the Bundesliga a year ago then and currently a the 2nd best team in the league after Bayern.

Dortmund is/was a far bigger club than Anzhi Makhachkala.

GBR1:
What nonsense are you saying again here?
When Willian left Shaktar, he joined Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia. Is that a big club ? Please tell me
Willian who you date so much was playing in the useless Russian league and only ended up at Chelsea because Anzhi Makhachkala has financial troubles and had to sell him to make ends meet.

When Mikhi left Shaktar he joined, Dortmund who won the Bundesliga a year ago then and currently a the 2nd best team in the Bundesliga after Bayern.

I edited my post already but let me reiterate.
Big club hardly make moves for player in the winter. Willian left for Anzi in January for the dough, just the same way Eto'o in his prime left inter for the same Anzi.
However, Willian exploits that season was never forgotten and the reason why he didn't spend more than 6 month at Anzi before his move to a big club.
Moreso, despite Dortmund gradual rise, top players would still always favour top clubs over them except such players lacks option, just as the case of Mikhi.
Why did you think Mikhi wants to leave Dortmund now?

Diademk07:
Whoscored rating?
Abegi! Imagine only Ribery out of the team that won the league?

The preponderance of evidence i.e goals, assists, and rating tells us he was not a flop in his first season. He flopped 2nd season no doubt but so did most of the Dortmund squad.
You argue in the face of incontrovertible evidence and that is not a good trait.
I have tried to help you see the light but you are very obstinate lol

afrodoc2:
The preponderance of evidence i.e goals, assists, and rating tells us he was not a flop in his first season. He flopped 2nd season no doubt but so did most of the Dortmund squad.
You argue in the face of incontrovertible evidence and that is not a good trait.
I have tried to help you see the light but you are very obstinate lol

Evidence from whoscored rating? No be dem they give Herrera huge rating for his busy looks?
The point is why only Ribery out of the Bayern team that won the league. Don't let oga Dayo catch you with that kain rating o.

Diademk07:
I edited my post already but let me reiterate.
Big club hardly make moves for player in the winter. Willian left for Anzi in January for the dough, just the same way Eto'o in his prime left inter for the same Anzhi.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Eto wasn't in his prime when he left for Anzhi. Stop telling lies to defend Willian because I've exposed he moved to a useless club in his prime.

However, Willian exploits that season was never forgotten and the reason why he didn't spend more than 6 month at Anzi before his move to a big club.

Stop with the lies.
Below is the real reason Willian got sold and not because he was anything special. The Russian club had to sell him unlike Dortmund who want to keep Mikhi and United are struggling to sign him.

[img]http://cs631916.vk.me/v631916248/3ae34/6qRCGZXU5zk.jpg[/img]

Moreso, despite Dortmund gradual rise, top players would still always favour top clubs over them except such players lacks option, just as the case of Mikhi.
Why did you think Mikhi wants to leave Dortmund now?

I didn't ask you again for this nonsense. I only stated that Mikhi signed for a better club in Dortmund( Liverpool and other PL clubs were interested) than Willian who ended up with a useless club in Russia.

Diademk07:
Evidence from whoscored rating? No be dem they give Herrera huge rating for his busy looks?
The point is why only Ribery out of the Bayern team that won the league. Don't let oga Dayo catch you with that kain rating o.

Who is your oga Dayo?
The rating is not the only evidence. He scored 9 league goals, when was the last time Willian scored 9 goals in the league? NEVER

As a matter of fact in 3 season in Chelsea Willian has a total of 11 league goals. Is he creating meat pies?

He made 10 assists, when was the last time Willian made 10 assists in a season? Definitely not in Chelsea and probably NEVER also lol

Yet this man who scored more goals than Willian has ever scored, who made more assists than Willian has ever made in a Chelsea shirt, who made the team of the season of one of the most highly rated football analysis sites was a flop BECAUSE.........?

GBR1:
Stop embarrassing yourself. Eto wasn't in his prime when he left for Anzhi. Stop telling lies to defend Willian because I've exposed he moved to a useless club in his prime.
This is the real reason Willian got sold not because he was anything special. The Russian club had to sell him unlike Dortmund who want to keep Mikhi and United are struggling to sign him.

[img]http://cs631916.vk.me/v631916248/3ae34/6qRCGZXU5zk.jpg[/img]

I didn't ask you again for this nonsense. I only stated that Mikhi signed for a better club in Dortmund( Liverpool and other PL clubs were interested) than Willian who ended up with a useless club in Russia.

I was expecting you to bring that up!
But do you actually think Chelsea would have gone for him if he wasn't any good enough and at that price?
Moreso, Eto'o left Inter for Anzhi in 2011, a year after Inter treble.

It is not even that i desperately want another risky Bundesliga recruit, i would prefer Mahrez, Mane who are used to the EPL.

But for someone to use Willian to rubbish Mkhitaryan is a bit ridiculous.

Diademk07:
I was expecting you to bring that up!
But do you actually think Chelsea would have gone for him if he wasn't any good enough and at that price?
Moreso, Eto'o left Inter for Anzhi in 2011, a year after Inter treble.

Eto had won everything there was to win, conquered Europe and wasn't looking for a step up in career unlike Willian. He was looking for money and Anzhi made him the highest paid player in the world. That club was like a retirement home for players who were past it but needed silly money. That wasn't Eto prime.

Stop asking me silly questions and face reality. Willian ended up in a useless club in Russia while Mikhi left for Dortmund and Chelsea only bought him because the Russian club had financial difficulty and had to sell. Chelsea aren't anything special in making good transfers and throw money away more often than not just like United.

Mikhi was the better player and is the better player now too. You should be ashamed you're even debating that.

GBR1:
Eto had won everything there was to win, conquered Europe and wasn't looking for a step up in career unlike Willian. He was looking for money and Anzhi made him the highest paid player in the world. That club was like a retirement home for players who were past it but needed silly money. That wasn't Eto prime.

Stop asking me silly questions and face reality. Willian ended up in a useless club in Russia while Mikhi left for Dortmund and Chelsea only bought him because the Russian club had financial difficulty and had to sell. Chelsea aren't anything special in making good transfers and throw money away more often than not just like United.

Mikhi was the better player and is the better player now too. You should be ashamed you're even debating that.

Lol!
I thought you said Eto's wasn't in his prime and that I was lying?
Moreso, Ii doesn't matter if Willian went for the money or not but the main point is Chelsea went for him for 35mil euros instead of Mikhi if they had thought Mikhi performed better than him against them.

Diademk07:
Lol!
I thought you said Eto's wasn't in his prime and that I was lying?

Are you blind or what? I stated again in that post you quoted it wasn't Eto's prime. I didn't deny anything.

Moreso, Ii doesn't matter if Willian went for the money or not but the main point is Chelsea went for him for 35mil euros instead of Mikhi if they had thought Mikhi performed better than him against them.

What is the new main point you're inventing again?
Please just shut up and stop saying nonsense. Every time i destroy your argument, you bring up something even worse.

afrodoc2:
Who is your oga Dayo?
The rating is not the only evidence. He scored 9 league goals, when was the last time Willian scored 9 goals in the league? NEVER

As a matter of fact in 3 season in Chelsea Willian has a total of 11 league goals. Is he creating meat pies?

He made 10 assists, when was the last time Willian made 10 assists in a season? Definitely not in Chelsea and probably NEVER also lol

Yet this man who scored more goals than Willian has ever scored, who made more assists than Willian has ever made in a Chelsea shirt, who made the team of the season of one of the most highly rated football analysis sites was a flop BECAUSE.........?

Give Willian the advantage of being the main player in a team and deploy him as the focal creative player instead of using him as a hustling shutting player between him and Ramires.
It was like a competition between who among them can operate best as the hustling player and claim the starting berth.

GBR1:
Are you blind or what? I stated again in that post you quoted it wasn't Eto's prime. I didn't deny anything.
What is the new main point you're inventing again?
Please just shut up and stop saying nonsense. Every time i destroy your argument, you bring up something even worse.

Worse? That Chelsea rated Willian more and made big money move for him than Mikhi whom Chelsea actually saw in the performance against them than someone who's interested in his ukranian league performance?

Diademk07:
Worse? That Chelsea rated Willian more and made big money move for him than Mikhi whom Chelsea actually saw in the performance against them than someone who's interested in his ukranian league performance?

Why didn't Chelsea go for him when he was leaving Shaktar? Why did he earn a move to a useless Russian club as early as January while Mikhi left for Dortmund at the ending of the season?
I don't care what happens next because for all i know Mikhi too could move to United tomorrow. I'm interested in their initial transfers when they left Shaktar. Mikhi left for a better club because he was actually the better player in that Shaktar team. It's a fact you can't change.
Why didn't Chelsea sign Douglas Costa etc who performed against them too? The Chelsea signing saved Willian not the other way round. The Russian club was forced to sell him due to financial troubles as I've proved and any club with money like Chelsea could have bought him not necessarily because he was as good as Mikhi who Dortmund had to fight off other big clubs like Liverpool to get.
You're just being silly here. I'm not surprised as i'm used to you being a trash talking lunatic.

You are just a pointless and useless human being. Believe me, this is true.
I said Mikhi was the better player then. I'm saying he's the better player now. You can't disprove any of this. This is the last you'll here from me on this. Your lunacy in this debate has gotten to ridiculous levels and i don't see myself continuing.

I know for a fact that this boy has a long list of uninformed statements, and just picks one or two statements to drop a day...depending on his mood.

This same guy that said LVG did not know Di Maria's position and called Karim Benzema a black man.

This guy is either the Godfather of Trolls in it's ultimate evolved form in bankai mode...or just breathtakingly stupid.

This is most certainly not normal.

GBR1:
Why didn't Chelsea go for him when he was leaving Shaktar? Why did he earn a move to useless Russian club as early as January while Mikhi left for Dortmund at the ending of the season?
I don't care what happens next because for all i know Mikhi too could move to United tomorrow. I'm interested in their initial transfers when they left Shaktar. Mikhi left for a better club because he was actually the better player in that Shaktar team. It's a fact you can't change.
Why didn't Chelsea sign Douglas Costa etc who performed against them too? The Chelsea signing saved Willian not the other way round. The Russian club was forced to sell him due to financial troubles as I've proved and any club with money like Chelsea could have bought him not necessarily because he was as good as Mikhi who Dortmund had to fight off other big clubs like Liverpool to get.
You're just being silly here. I'm not surprised as i'm used to you being a trash talking lunatic.

You are just pointless. I said Mikhi was the better player then. I'm saying he's the better player now. You can't disprove any of this. This is the last you'll here from me on this. Your lunacy in this debate has gotten to ridiculous levels and i don't see myself continuing.

I don't get you. You expected Chelsea to make move in january when they were still sorting out many things in the club coupled with the fact that big clubs hardly make moves in winter..
I don't remember Costa starting against Chelsea in both legs.
The main point is Chelsae didn't sign Willian for 35mil due to his exploit in Anzi which was only 6 months, Chelsea got him because they already formed an opinion on him before he left for Anzi...
One season wonder Mikhi in a well oiled team built around him doesn't make him a better player than Willian.

Nihilist:
I know for a fact that this boy has a long list of uninformed statements, and just picks one or two statements to drop a day...depending on his mood.

This same guy that said LVG did not know Di Maria's position and called Karim Benzema a black man.

This guy is either the Godfather of Trolls in it's ultimate evolved form in bankai mode...or just breathtakingly stupid.

This is most certainly not normal.

Weren't you the same eediot who stated that Zidane was an Arab? Still can't believe my eyes.
Lol!
Anyway, I never stated Lvg didn't know Di Maria's position. He was a winger, played as a winger at Manutd and still is at Psg. He only played 6month as a box-box and Lvg signed him as the winger he is yet some kept arguing why Lvg didn't him play as a box-box.

GBR1:
Why didn't Chelsea go for him when he was leaving Shaktar? Why did he earn a move to a useless Russian club as early as January while Mikhi left for Dortmund at the ending of the season?
I don't care what happens next because for all i know Mikhi too could move to United tomorrow. I'm interested in their initial transfers when they left Shaktar. Mikhi left for a better club because he was actually the better player in that Shaktar team. It's a fact you can't change.
Why didn't Chelsea sign Douglas Costa etc who performed against them too? The Chelsea signing saved Willian not the other way round. The Russian club was forced to sell him due to financial troubles as I've proved and any club with money like Chelsea could have bought him not necessarily because he was as good as Mikhi who Dortmund had to fight off other big clubs like Liverpool to get.
You're just being silly here. I'm not surprised as i'm used to you being a trash talking lunatic.

You are just a pointless and useless human being. Believe me, this is true.
I said Mikhi was the better player then. I'm saying he's the better player now. You can't disprove any of this. This is the last you'll here from me on this. Your lunacy in this debate has gotten to ridiculous levels and i don't see myself continuing.

You know what? Na me go be your nemesis for your constant stupid spinning idiocy on here.
You already had this debate on Bayern forum and many bundesliga fans already told you Mikhi was a one season wonder yet you still perpetuate your foolishness on here while talking about the ukranian performances you never watched!
What a dumbass!

GBR1:
Why didn't Chelsea go for him when he was leaving Shaktar? Why did he earn a move to a useless Russian club as early as January while Mikhi left for Dortmund at the ending of the season?
I don't care what happens next because for all i know Mikhi too could move to United tomorrow. I'm interested in their initial transfers when they left Shaktar. Mikhi left for a better club because he was actually the better player in that Shaktar team. It's a fact you can't change.
Why didn't Chelsea sign Douglas Costa etc who performed against them too? The Chelsea signing saved Willian not the other way round. The Russian club was forced to sell him due to financial troubles as I've proved and any club with money like Chelsea could have bought him not necessarily because he was as good as Mikhi who Dortmund had to fight off other big clubs like Liverpool to get.
You're just being silly here. I'm not surprised as i'm used to you being a trash talking lunatic.

You are just a pointless and useless human being. Believe me, this is true.
I said Mikhi was the better player then. I'm saying he's the better player now. You can't disprove any of this. This is the last you'll here from me on this. Your lunacy in this debate has gotten to ridiculous levels and i don't see myself continuing.

You know what? Na me go be your nemesis for your constant stupid spinning idiocy on here.
You already had this debate on Bayern forum and many bundesliga fans already told you Mikhi was a one season wonder yet you still perpetuated your foolishness on here while talking about ukranian performances you never watched!
What a dumbass!

Nihilist:
I know for a fact that this boy has a long list of uninformed statements, and just picks one or two statements to drop a day...depending on his mood.

This same guy that said LVG did not know Di Maria's position and called Karim Benzema a black man.

This guy is either the Godfather of Trolls in it's ultimate evolved form in bankai mode...or just breathtakingly stupid.

This is most certainly not normal.

I knew that praise you were giving him the other day would return to bite you. This guy is a confirmed lunatic. He's wrong almost every time and although he gets somethings right, i don't think he gets these things right because he actually knows what he's saying.I have realized he stumbles on it. Even a clock that has stopped working is right twice per day and the same thing is true for lunatics like him.

GBR1:
I knew that praise you were giving him the other would return to bite you. This guy is a confirmed lunatic. He's wrong almost every time and gets somethings right but i don't think it's actually because he knows what he's saying. He stumbles on it. Even a clock that has stopped working is right twice per day and the same thing is true for lunatics like him.

No be you talk highly on Embolo only to retract your statement in the end?
Mr spinner! Lol!
I hardly get it wrong with players though.

GBR1:
I knew that praise you were giving him the other would return to bite you. This guy is a confirmed lunatic. He's wrong almost every time and gets somethings right but i don't think it's actually because he knows what he's saying. He stumbles on it. Even a clock that has stopped working is right twice per day and the same thing is true for lunatics like him.

d guy na something else ....even with facts and figures staring at him in d face he wont agree......
I just hope he doesn't come here one day and start arguing abouth the present year we are in

lekkie073:
d guy na something else ....even with facts and figures staring at him in d face he wont agree......
I just hope he doesn't come here one day and start arguing abouth the present year we are in

When the going get tough, na coward like you go first press report button like you always do.