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Seun:
1) The distance between the earth and the sun is not measured in degrees, its measured in kilometers. 2) There are 100 to 200 billion planets in our Galaxy. The fact that one of them happens to have the right conditions for life isn't a big surprise. 3) The conditions on earth have varied a lot over time. There have been ice ages and hot periods, periods when the level of oxygen was much higher than it is now, supporting giant insects, and now, global warming. Life persists not because the conditions on earth have always been perfect for life but because life can adapt to the changes in the environment by evolving.

How do you happen to know much. Whao!
With everything i see and read too. I happen to waiver in my belief that there is actually a God, but for the fact that various holy books talked about him been omniscient, i think i would believe 'omnisciently' too. I wont doubt it even when everything calls for doubting.

iamDiabolic:
boss mi am begining to have a re-think bout the existence of God,when I ask some people how he manifest in my life,they would say its cause of him I breath nd its cause of his mercy am able to exist.well I told him this night to kill me if he is really pissed off with me,since he takes joy in killing nd making people sad.if 2nite he doesn't show himself to me even if its in a dream then he doesn't exist
I realise that when u kneel down nd pray u realise that u talking to urself

this is because you never acknowledge him. that is why you think you are talking to yourself. then how will you have Faith? because those who even believed have Ill faith.

HerexG:
4. The dinosaur have existed 9 billion years before man so how can you tell the earth is 6 million years

Slight correction....

1 The dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago....and the first definitive species of Man arose some 2 million years ago.(Some mammalian precursors of Man may have co-existed with the dinosaurs towards the end of the Age of the Dinosaurs.....but they were not necessarily Man...more like the rodent).

2.Science also puts the age of this Earth as being 4.6 billion years old......so dinosaurs could not have existed on a non-existent Earth 9 billion years ago.

iamDiabolic:
if hell is deterrent then it means we don't have any free will as claimed by most religious fellas,its just the case of ur pops telling you that ebuka stay at home don't go out,but you are also free to go out nd play.but have it at the back of ur mind that if you go outside ill punish u when am back,but if u stay in door ill buy ice cream nd pamper you.now bro don't mind me for using your name as example but can u tell me the free will in that,would u want to stay indoor knowing the enjoy that comes with staying indoor nd the punishment dat is tagged to going outdoor to play

There is no absolute freedom anywhere in the world. Even America that seems to enjoy freedom doesnt have absolute freedom. The freedom we have as humans is not absolute so don't be deceived.
Am not here to defend or mock God but i look at him beyond what pastors have been telling me.

iamDiabolic:
I realise that when u kneel down nd pray u realise that u talking to urself

I remember the first moment that I acknowledged this particular implication.

Seun:
All plants and animal species are constantly evolving, incliding humans, but individual plants and animals do not evolve. For proof of human evolution, have you noticed that Chinese people look different from Caucasians who also look different from Blacks and Red Indians and so on? Evolution explains that. Different groups of people were isolated from each other and evolved in different directions. Now that the world has become more connected, racism and language differences have helped to preserve the differences by discouraging inter-racial mating. How does the Adam and Eve story explain the differences. If Adam and Eve were Jewish, where did the Caucasians and Chinese and Blacks and American Indians and other distinct races come from? How could all that diversity have come from just 2 jews if there has been no evolution since then?

Life started in water. Some plants and animals came to land and evolved into the diverse species we see today including us. Some stayed in water and continued to diversify and adapt there too. You don't seem to understand evolution well enough.

Space exploration is at its infancy. We don't know whether there's life on other planets. I think we are yet to get to some of the 8 planets in our solar system, not to mention other solar systems. There is no shame in not knowing everything.

so what you are trying to say is that you don't believe that [size=20]God[/size] exist?

jahstech:
@Seun, don't get me wrong, am not trying to tell you that there is a God, all am trying to tell you and with all the evidence I have been providing is that everything has a designer, a very very intelligent one at that, and I have been given you examples of such that defy even conventional wisdom. You are bent on your evolving theory but as I try to prove otherwise and make you see reasons with some intelligent questions and examples, I also expect you to give me answers to your theory with good examples as well.

My point here is not to justify who is wrong or correct, but let the facts we present be reasonable enough to help us reach a conclusion.

Thanks.

As I mentioned in the other thread, we are faced with an unprecedented phenomenon, one that cannot simply be ascribed to design. Why? Because designers always use prexisting materials to design. Even the biblical god used prexisting mud or dirt to design human beings. So if you choose to believe that it was designed, you must be willing to concede that the materials used already existed somewhere somehow.

[quote author=SeverusSnape post=47087649]So God (who's a merciful and loving God), of whom the bible say 'his mercies endureth forever', will send a human (whom he created in his own image) to hell??... But why?

I believe no matter what your child does to you, you can't send him/her to a fiery furnace.

And even if they do send their kids to a fiery furnace by hot iron they always make the front page in handcuffs saying it was the work of the devil. lol I didn't know God too now works for the devil oh

Abeg make una ans dis questions
1) Is there a supernatural power apart from the one believed by both christians and muslims? Dat is the traditional gods.

2) Do anyone believe that there are unseen forces behind good and bad...

3) Do you believe in manifestion of blood money?

4) Do you believe in witches?

5) Finally, do if believe in hierrachy, don't you think that there is superior above all.

Note: if yes, then who are you to blindly profess that God does not exist...waiting for ur replies!

flawlezz:
BELIEVE WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU. I'M A SCIENTIST & I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE ORIGIN OF LIFE. ONLY CHRISTIANITY BRINGS ME CLOSE ENOUGH TO A LOGICAL ANSWER. SO, UNTIL THE DAY SOME NEW god Comes AND CLEARS THINGS UP, I'M A SLAVE TO PROOF

You are not a scientist. Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. If you were, you would know better....

Weah96:
As I mentioned in the other thread, we are faced with an unprecedented phenomenon, one that cannot simply be ascribed to design. Why? Because designers always use prexisting materials to design. Even the biblical god used prexisting mud or dirt to design human beings. So if you choose to believe that it was designed, you must be willing to concede that the materials used already existed somewhere somehow.

Sir, thanks for your reply. We are not faced with same situation, you say everything evolved, I say the level of intelligence around us can't come just by chance. The designer used preexisting materials I agree, but you say the preexisting materials automatically started generating all forms of live, creating laws, principles, setting boundaries, limits, the right distances, the right degrees all on its own, which sounds more logical to you?.
I call myself an intelligent being because; Am drawing conclusions from the things I call evidence which I have been sounding to you guys. I can support my claims with HISTORY, FOSSIL RECORD, HUMAN NATURE just to mention a few.
When you speak, please prove evidence as to what you are saying.
Darwin stated that Humanity started from the Divine Tree and humans, animals and plants all evolving from the branches, can you candidly prove that now?
I have been trying to put the bible aside and use NATURE as a yardstick to lay my claims, have you personally considered evidence from the BIBLE?, what does ARCHEOLOGICAL findings say about existence of a book called BIBLE, the Christ himself, does history support these stories or they are just myths/cooked up stories? Or did your evolving theory tell you that we should forget historical evidence as well?
Please I wanted to discuss with those who could reason with me and give me sound proof to their claims, not just WORDS, BASELESS ones at that.

Afrokan:
There is no proof that mary didnt have an affair with another man and blamed the pregnancy on God. You didnt ask for proof then but you asking for proof from me

hehehehehehe
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This is hilarious
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that's one of the hypocrisy of Christians
They believe the illogical stories in the Bible
but they judge EVERYTHING ELSE including other religions Logically

iamDiabolic:
Am not an atheist, though most people see me as thiest (but not a religious one though) just attending church for the sake of attending,but deep in my mind am an agnostic.but with kinda things I go through might end up being an atheist, because I don't even feel the if any God exist, cause I have not even felt him before, I watch people catch holy ghost and testifying to seeing angels but not even have I had a dream bout one before. We just have to keep worshiping though we shouldn't believe what we can see,but we worship him due to fear of the unknown.

Sometimes I even pray that if he exist he should show at least show himself in a dream or through a pastor,but he still never show himself to me,he doesn't have any message for me,damn who TF is he,we should keep worshipping him cause he we were told fairytale about one stupid hell they keep threatening us with.

Me and my friends once attended a night vigil,when the pastor was touching all of them head they kept falling (in my mind I was laughing at their funny charade), when it got to my time I didn't fall, I didn't even move back as he was trying to force me to maybe fall, since then i no attend the yeye church.

What am trying to drive at is am beginning to doubt the existence of God and if he doesn't show himself to me one of this days, then I might graduate into an atheist. Mind you oh yea preachers and gullible ones I don't need your preaching and bible verses. I have heard enough of that.

u spoke well, I support u

Ancient Scholars/Philosophers relied on their power of observation, deduction and logic to explain the natural world. Starting with what they considered to be obvious truths, they believed that if they reasoned carefully in such truths, they would be able to come to correct conclusions. Philosophers like Aristotle took this approach and he made major contribution to science and philosophy even becoming the master of logic.
Atheism at its best doesn't consider what they know, their philosophy proves that nothing is known in the first place, it confirms that the athiest himself/herself is not even sure of how his great grand parents are, they are not even sure of what the next generation would look like.
Keep pointing to evolution is the least I expected, my question, IS EVOLUTION A PROVED THEORY OR AN HYPOTHESIS?
Why would something that hasn't been confirmed up till this age used as the yardstick for judgement or sound logic?

@op there IS GOD. He is your owner. Do you agree with me that one can not grow beyond the level of information at his disposal? You are at this phase. In case you don't know someone on this earth died and ressurected. It happened. It happened on this very earth you are. HIS NAME IS JESUS, (the saviour of the world) The open grave is there till today as I write. If u doubt go to Jerusalem and see for yourself. It happened in this world, and on this earth you are, not in heaven. You have not experience Him because you have not first accepted that JESUS died to save you. Get set you will experience HIM this time. You have not been fortunate to be at the right place, where God reveal himself. I don't know your location but come with your unbelieve to Salvation Ministry, 17 Birabi Street, GRA phase 1, Port-Harcourt or any of her satellite churches nearest, from 4th to 7th july, 2016. Time: 4:30pm daily. U will see God in action. U will see confirmed terminal disease, HIV patient turning negative with medical proof, Short limb growing to equal before your own eyes, etc. Do you know how ebola virus left Port-Harcourt? If you are far logon to ww w. smhos. org. Then go to the tv on the website. I am here to tell you that God exist, just that you have not witness him. You wrote that, you had told him to appeared to you. He hear only HIS children. You can become one by accepting that the world is full of evil (sin) but someone (JESUS) came to redeem us by dying for those sins because the wages of sins is death. Having paid for sins you are now free. Once you acknowledge this THE LORD will hear you. I have many things to tell you and others and wish I can see you personally and have your contact. Nevertheless, come to that program or watch online if you are far. My prayer for you is that you should have a personal encounter with HIM as you long to. Paul did and his life change. God bless u as you seek to know HIM.

jahstech:
Ancient Scholars/Philosophers relied on their power of observation, deduction and logic to explain the natural world. Starting with what they considered to be obvious truths, they believed that if they reasoned carefully in such truths, they would be able to come to correct conclusions. Philosophers like Aristotle took this approach and he made major contribution to science and philosophy even becoming the master of logic.
Atheism at its best doesn't consider what they know, their philosophy proves that nothing is known in the first place, it confirms that the athiest himself/herself is not even sure of how his great grand parents are, they are not even sure of what the next generation would look like.
Keep pointing to evolution is the least I expected, my question, IS EVOLUTION A PROVED THEORY OR AN HYPOTHESIS?
Why would something that hasn't been confirmed up till this age used as the yardstick for judgement or sound logic?

It seems funny that you think atheism and evolution are somehow linked. There are atheists who cannot spell evolution talkless of describing it.


And evolution has been proven, it has stood the test of time.

No doubt it has flaws, puzzling contradictions, parts that don't fit................yet. But those gaps are being filled, and knowledge about it is being perfected, more and more.


P.S : please do not mention me if you're going to go copy and paste a creationist website or "famous scientists quotes."

Thank you.

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Seun:
All plants and animal species are constantly evolving, incliding humans, but individual plants and animals do not evolve. For proof of human evolution, have you noticed that Chinese people look different from Caucasians who also look different from Blacks and Red Indians and so on? Evolution explains that. Different groups of people were isolated from each other and evolved in different directions. Now that the world has become more connected, racism and language differences have helped to preserve the differences by discouraging inter-racial mating. How does the Adam and Eve story explain the differences. If Adam and Eve were Jewish, where did the Caucasians and Chinese and Blacks and American Indians and other distinct races come from? How could all that diversity have come from just 2 jews if there has been no evolution since then?

Life started in water. Some plants and animals came to land and evolved into the diverse species we see today including us. Some stayed in water and continued to diversify and adapt there too.

Space exploration is at its infancy. We don't know whether there's life on other planets, because they are too far away.

If you can detail the changes of a shellfish to its current homo sapien form, in a scientific manner, I will believe evolution. And I will help you form the religion of Seunism.

BTW, Adam and Eve had two sons, one who was red headed and the other who was not. That showed up in the first filial generation already. Physiological differences turned up so soon. There was nothing evolutionary in that. I should also add that nobody knows the race of either Adam or Eve, but regardless, their offspring showed differences that we still experience presently. Physiological differences are hardly evolutionary.

Also, the Jewish identity didn't start with them. They were not Jews. I wish people would know this. They were simply the progenitors of mankind, according to certain religious texts. Jews seemed to get their religious identity around the time of Exodus, by written history.


As for the search for ETs, until we have hard facts it's merely a hypothesis/fantasy.Should we find any, then we can say they exist. Quite similar to the scientific approach we take with religion.

iamDiabolic:
Am not an atheist, though most people see me as thiest (but not a religious one though) just attending church for the sake of attending,but deep in my mind am an agnostic.but with kinda things I go through might end up being an atheist, because I don't even feel the if any God exist, cause I have not even felt him before, I watch people catch holy ghost and testifying to seeing angels but not even have I had a dream bout one before. We just have to keep worshiping though we shouldn't believe what we can see,but we worship him due to fear of the unknown.

Sometimes I even pray that if he exist he should show at least show himself in a dream or through a pastor,but he still never show himself to me,he doesn't have any message for me,damn who TF is he,we should keep worshipping him cause he we were told fairytale about one stupid hell they keep threatening us with.

Me and my friends once attended a night vigil,when the pastor was touching all of them head they kept falling (in my mind I was laughing at their funny charade), when it got to my time I didn't fall, I didn't even move back as he was trying to force me to maybe fall, since then i no attend the yeye church.

What am trying to drive at is am beginning to doubt the existence of God and if he doesn't show himself to me one of this days, then I might graduate into an atheist. Mind you oh yea preachers and gullible ones I don't need your preaching and bible verses. I have heard enough of that.

Op you and me both

Most of you all are Christains, Muslims, Buddhist or whatever religion you name it just because you were born into it.. if A christain were to be born into a Muslim Family initially, he'll definitely defend allah as the one true God same Vis a Vis, Religion spoilt evrything from the beginning

LeFreakSoChic:
Awwwww. God does exist sweetheart. Religion is just the BS causing confusion. Just be a freethinker and continue serving God your own way.
Christianity and Islam are the two major problems of the world and I can't help but pity their followers.

How'z your part/ethic life? You should keep quiet

That we are even discussing this topic is enough proof that humans have being desiring answers for a long long time and that many doubted the existence of a supreme intelligent designer.

The argument has been on for ages and ravages on, what's left is for we to verify with the little facts we have.


The BIBLE pointed out that argument like these occurred in time past and would continue to occur, why would I doubt such a book that affect every endeavor of human life? There is nothing, I mean it, nothing you say now that is new and I can't point out a reference from the bible.

Just imagine this bible passage:

Now while Paul was waiting for them in Athens, his spirit within him became irritated on seeing that the city was full of idols. So he began to reason in the synagogue with the Jews and the other people who worshipped God and every day in the marketplace with those who happened to be on hand. But some of both the Ep·i·cu·reʹan and the Stoʹic philosophers began disputing with him, and some were saying: “What is it this chatterer would like to tell?” Others: “He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign deities.” This was because he was declaring the good news of Jesus and the resurrection.

Note that the setting occurred specific location with specific names that can be verified.

In all, OUR arguments is not far from what they've discussed, no matter how intellectual we claim to be now, so is not a coincidence that we are faced with this challenge over and over again.

Cc Weah96, Seun.

KingEbukasBlog:
The pic below explains FREEWILL . The man Has two options - that's the ability which FREEWILL gives . The outcome of his choice is not freewill's business

U raised some cogent points Bro...
Bt I believe FREEWILL is D wrong choice of word...
As a lecturer I tell u, u can come 2 my class or not...
Den u choose nt 2 come den I fail u... Does dis seem fair...?
Dis is D scenario u painting with ur extrapolations..

U c although I didn't verbally coerce u 2 come 4 my lectures.. I did it tacitly...
It logically can't b said I gave u freewill...
Freewill shld mean I shld Do wat I want without D fear of a punishment or comeuppance...

ollaxworld:
Op, lemme ask you these questions.
1. Do you have mind? if yes, where is it located in your body?
2. What has dreams got to do with God's nature?
3. Do you even understand what dreams are?

God exists, go read the big bang theory and the charles darwin's theory of evolution, they ar full of flaws.

Hahaha... Hypocrisy is wen we go on a diatribe against Buhari, 4 nt doin anything 2 beta D economy... Bt vehemently defend a god who sees D atrocities, squalor n sufferings in D world n still choose 2 remain passive.......
Woe unto us who r aghast wen we hear or see our read abt stepmothers or parents mutilating or burning dia children 4 disobedience.... Bt r OK wit a god who constructed a mighty pyre were he can burn pple who challenge his tyranny....

Wake up ma pple!!!

Empero1:
@OP

Believe you me, I understand your thought perfectly well, because I was once in your shoes.

Well, take it from me that God truly exist, but His idiosyncrasies are no where similar to what religious proponents, practitioners, and the so called religious holy books and doctrines depicts Him to be.

As far as I am concerned He's just. And all what we need to exist He has provided to us with extra gift of freewill (to me this is the greatest gift He gave to mankind) to decide our fates. He neither needs our prayers nor expects our praises.

I wish you could adopt humanism worldview and reveres God through act of altruism. Create your path and encrypt it.

Hats off man... One of D most perspicacious statement av read on dis Forum...
I wish more pple will adopt dis kinda mindset...
Once again... I duff my hat 4 u....

uniklinkum:
Then why don't the atheist hold on to their believe that ain't no God?? They should have to stop pleading to a superior being to either save their life or be gentle on their soon to be lost soul. Y'all are not gute Überlegen.. Wake up to ignorance and irrational rebellion, you need new pair of working medulla mate.

Bro u a Doc in Germany?..
Wld want 2 borrow from ur arsenal of info...

U c dis pple r terminally ill.. Dey gon bow out anytime soon... So wat dey got 2 loose...
It's like dis...
"Let me jst accept, I'll soon b gon n if it b dt he is real well I did enjoy most of my years "

JhyMedex:
U raised some cogent points Bro...
Bt I believe FREEWILL is D wrong choice of word...
As a lecturer I tell u, u can come 2 my class or not...
Den u choose nt 2 come den I fail u... Does dis seem fair...?
Dis is D scenario u painting with ur extrapolations..

U c although I didn't verbally coerce u 2 come 4 my lectures.. I did it tacitly...
It logically can't b said I gave u freewill...
Freewill shld mean I shld Do wat I want without D fear of a punishment or comeuppance...

LOL, I see that it's not easy to fool you.

Worship me and get mansions.

Don't worship me and roast forever.
Na you get the freewill. Hahaha.

Zafric:
Fourthly If God was to wipe out an entire nation because the were attacking another nation man would scream about it as unjust and a crime against humanity.
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Bt he has done it before...
Remember wen he sent D Israelites (His chosen, even tho he created every oda nation) 2 slaughter D Amalaketies, jebussite? Including babies at their mother's breast... N even extend D violence 2 innocent animals...

MAYOWAAK:
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It is baffling that Africans who do not know how the fax machine works or how the television signals get into their televisions, are confident about the number of rooms in heaven and the best gate to get in.
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Bro u r an example 2 us all...
BTW D bit up dere got me Lmao...

babe4wealth:
Lemme help u. I think u have not attended d right Church where u can set free and be convinced of God.......Buh if u ask me I can recommend one 4u where u will experience d raw power of God.....

RAW.... LMAO...
Boiled one sef dey?...

JhyMedex:
U raised some cogent points Bro...
Bt I believe FREEWILL is D wrong choice of word...
As a lecturer I tell u, u can come 2 my class or not...
Den u choose nt 2 come den I fail u... Does dis seem fair...?
Dis is D scenario u painting with ur extrapolations..

U c although I didn't verbally coerce u 2 come 4 my lectures.. I did it tacitly...
It logically can't b said I gave u freewill...
Freewill shld mean I shld Do wat I want without D fear of a punishment or comeuppance...

Thanks bro .

Freewill is the ability to act at one's own discretion - the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation. And remember I said that consequence is not associated with freewill . Failure for not coming to class is a consequence of the choice you have made same with . As far as you have choices to make and you have the ability to choose then you are exercising freewill .

Afrokan:
Religion is blind ignorant faith.
The moment you start to ask yourself certain Questions, yoou begin to loose faith and the ignorsnt wall your mind buit to keep you blind starts falling apart.
Imagine my amazement as a teenager learning the Muslims and Christians both having testimonies about miracles. I began to ask, what if i am worshiping the wrong God, which is the true God.
Now imagine my amazement when i found out, there are other religions out there, christianity and islam are just 2 out of a thousands of religions and the followers of this religion believe there God is the right God and they too can give testimonies of Miracles or supernatural powers.
I just abandoned the whole thing and decided religion is not for me.

I completely agree with you. its completely the reason why we keep having conflict and all sorts of areas