I would like to bring to the notice of the readers that my real name is Dr. Odia Ogbebor. You could check me up at facebook.com/hiddensimplicities or go through my blog at hiddensimplicities. so as to clarify your opinion about me. The name pastopreneur was the name i gave to myself abt few years back which i structly used for networking purposes, i.e,, as i teach entrepreneur, utilizing the scriptures to back it up. That was how that name was coined.




I AM A CHRISTAIN WHO HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED INTEREST IN ISLAM AS A RESULT OF MY DEFENCE OF ISLAM IN THE FACE OF MY CHRISTAIN BROTHERS. HERE IS A DREAM I HAD WHILE SLEEPING IN THE EARLY HOURS OF 5th of July 2016, CONCERNING A SPIRITUAL ENCOUNTER ABOUT ONE OF THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM



I do not know if i shld take it seriously or not, but it is a revelation that i am still questioning. Here it is.




In the dream, i was brought to a wide compound that has a mosque in it. It was beautiful, and the compound wasnt covered with pure sands but like stony substances. Amongst the stony substances, i discovered another substances dat looked dark and a bit reddish, but more darkened. So i asked myself,, what could this substance be?

So wen i went further into the compound, i saw two persons sitting in one of the corners of the compound. One of them appeared to me like an imam. And it was he who answered my question. But before i asked him my question, i heard him telling the other that no one preached to me abt islam, but i founded it by myself which they call the guidiance of Allah. And they were praising God.

When i saw them acting this way, i laughed within myself and said; this people do not know that i came here only to study and not to be converted to Islam. But it was no use telling them this. I also saw a friend of mine in my community who is a muslim coming close to the Imam and his collegue. And they were having a conversation about me.

But nevertheless, i went on to ask the Imam concerning what i ve seen on the ground in the compound. So told me that he would show it to me. And so directed someone to bring some for me.

When the young man brought them in a bowl, the Imam asked me to take some from it and eat. Initially, i took abt five pieces, but wen i realised it was much, i returned three and was left with two. So when i took one of it closer to my eyes as i fearfully placed one in my mouth( I was afraid due to the fact that i did not know why i was asked to eat it. Funny enough, i couldnt question them), i noticed that it was like palm fruits. I was not so comfortable eating it despite the fact that it wasnt looking scary. As i was eating it, i woke up from the sleep.

It was still in the early hours of the morning. And my curiosity of wat the palm fruit stands for in Islam drove me to search for it on google. Before now, i ve never learnt nor seen anything abt it in relation to islam.

So as i seeked for the knowledge, i realised that there is a particular palm fruit called DATE PALM FRUIT which prophet muhammad told his followers that it is more preferable to eat it immediately you break ur ramandan fasting.

And u culd imagine, this i dreamt of as the muslims are actually breaking their fasting in reality. Its baffling and questionable. Why should i ve dreamt of such wen i did not partake in the ramadam? Or was i practicing it unconsciously? I have never known before now if there was a link btw palm fruit and Islam( God bear me witness) . It was after now i discovered the importance of the palm tree to Islam. And i also learnt that, the date palm fruit, when eaten, has the power to protect u against poison and black magic. There some other thing i learnt also that got me more curious.

But still, my questions are yet to be fully answered.

it's the same thing as seeing your mother (living or dead) in the dream asking you to eat in the dream.
we all know it's bad and very wrong to eat in the dream.so the devil can come as familiar spirits so u can accept without question and think of it in the positive side while it is negative.
be wise....
go and pray for ur self for that one u have eaten in the dream......
that's what is giving you all this confusion.

A REASON WHY I DO NOT DOUBT THE PROPHETHOOD OF MUHAMMAD.







LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.


1 John 4:1-3,

Behold, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, many false prophets have gone out into the world. BY THIS YOU KNOW THE SPIRIT OF GOD. EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSES THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD, AND EVERY SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


A CONFIRMATION IN THE QURAN THAT MUHAMMAD IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST JUDGING BY THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE.



Surah 3:45


When the angels said, " O mary! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a WORD from him, his name is MESSIAH, Jesus son of Mary, high honored in this world and the next(hereafter), of those who are near(stationed) to Allah.


And also, Jesus is referred to by name in the Quran fully sixteen times, as compared to only four places in the whole Quran where Muhammad is mentioned by name.


Surah 3:49,

And will make him Jesus a messanger to the children of Isreal saying: " I have come to you with a sign from your lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and bring the dead to life by Allah's leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.


THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT MUHAMMAD BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST.

Islam is the way to God by submission,submit your self to Allah's will and worship the creator and not a creature!

Jesus is only a prophet and messenger of Allah...stop worshipping him for your own sake

Pastopreneur:

1 John 4:1-3,

Behold, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, many false prophets have gone out into the world. BY THIS YOU KNOW THE SPIRIT OF GOD. EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSES THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD, AND EVERY SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Let me help u out, here's the text in context :

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.


Does this text still seem to agree with Islam teachings regarding Jesus.

Richirich713:


Let me help u out, here's the text in context :

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.


Does this text still seem to agree with Islam teachings regarding Jesus.

This is the conclussion of your question OP as it has been stated right here. Confess Jesus and manifest Him through love.

I so love 1st John 4 v 7&8.

Beloved let us love one another for Love is of God everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that Loveth not knows not God for God is Love.

If the God worshipped in Islam is the same one we Christians do why does his prophet muhammad preach about so much hate even to fellow muslims.

None of you has faith until he loves for
his brother or his neighbor what he loves
for himself.


Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 45, Grade: Sahih

By Him in whose Hand is my soul, a
servant does not believe until he loves
for his brother what he loves for himself
of goodness.

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 5017,
Grade: Sahih



From this statements above, you can see that Prophet muhammad also believed in love.

Surah 4:36


Worship God and join none with him; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer(you meet), and those slaves whom your right hands possess. Verily, God does not like such as are proud and boastful.

Pastopreneur:
Surah 4:36


Worship God and join none with him; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer(you meet), and those slaves whom your right hands possess. Verily, God does not like such as are proud and boastful.

Oga read this

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx


Then come back and tell me if Muhammad was not a tongue twister.

Pastopreneur:
None of you has faith until he loves for
his brother or his neighbor what he loves
for himself.


Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 45, Grade: Sahih

By Him in whose Hand is my soul, a
servant does not believe until he loves
for his brother what he loves for himself
of goodness.

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 5017,
Grade: Sahih



From this statements above, you can see that Prophet muhammad also believed in love.

I just check your page on facebook I discovered that you are not christian as you claimed . Now you have a motive by claiming you are a christian when you are not. Altaqiyyah.

your now a muslim

4everGod1:


Oga read this
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Then come back and tell me if Muhammad was not a tongue twister.

same way the bibles also were contained of violence!

OlayinkaFawaz:


same way the bibles also were contained of violence!

You are free to read the link too.

Pastopreneur:
I would like to bring to the notice of the readers that my real name is Dr. Odia Ogbebor. You could check me up at facebook.com/hiddensimplicities or go through my blog at hiddensimplicities. so as to clarify your opinion about me. The name pastopreneur was the name i gave to myself abt few years back which i structly used for networking purposes, i.e,, as i teach entrepreneur, utilizing the scriptures to back it up. That was how that name was coined.




I AM A CHRISTAIN WHO HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED INTEREST IN ISLAM AS A RESULT OF MY DEFENCE OF ISLAM IN THE FACE OF MY CHRISTAIN BROTHERS. HERE IS A DREAM I HAD WHILE SLEEPING IN THE EARLY HOURS OF 5th of July 2016, CONCERNING A SPIRITUAL ENCOUNTER ABOUT ONE OF THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM



I do not know if i shld take it seriously or not, but it is a revelation that i am still questioning. Here it is.




In the dream, i was brought to a wide compound that has a mosque in it. It was beautiful, and the compound wasnt covered with pure sands but like stony substances. Amongst the stony substances, i discovered another substances dat looked dark and a bit reddish, but more darkened. So i asked myself,, what could this substance be?

So wen i went further into the compound, i saw two persons sitting in one of the corners of the compound. One of them appeared to me like an imam. And it was he who answered my question. But before i asked him my question, i heard him telling the other that no one preached to me abt islam, but i founded it by myself which they call the guidiance of Allah. And they were praising God.

When i saw them acting this way, i laughed within myself and said; this people do not know that i came here only to study and not to be converted to Islam. But it was no use telling them this. I also saw a friend of mine in my community who is a muslim coming close to the Imam and his collegue. And they were having a conversation about me.

But nevertheless, i went on to ask the Imam concerning what i ve seen on the ground in the compound. So told me that he would show it to me. And so directed someone to bring some for me.

When the young man brought them in a bowl, the Imam asked me to take some from it and eat. Initially, i took abt five pieces, but wen i realised it was much, i returned three and was left with two. So when i took one of it closer to my eyes as i fearfully placed one in my mouth( I was afraid due to the fact that i did not know why i was asked to eat it. Funny enough, i couldnt question them), i noticed that it was like palm fruits. I was not so comfortable eating it despite the fact that it wasnt looking scary. As i was eating it, i woke up from the sleep.

It was still in the early hours of the morning. And my curiosity of wat the palm fruit stands for in Islam drove me to search for it on google. Before now, i ve never learnt nor seen anything abt it in relation to islam.

So as i seeked for the knowledge, i realised that there is a particular palm fruit called DATE PALM FRUIT which prophet muhammad told his followers that it is more preferable to eat it immediately you break ur ramandan fasting.

And u culd imagine, this i dreamt of as the muslims are actually breaking their fasting in reality. Its baffling and questionable. Why should i ve dreamt of such wen i did not partake in the ramadam? Or was i practicing it unconsciously? I have never known before now if there was a link btw palm fruit and Islam( God bear me witness) . It was after now i discovered the importance of the palm tree to Islam. And i also learnt that, the date palm fruit, when eaten, has the power to protect u against poison and black magic. There some other thing i learnt also that got me more curious.

But still, my questions are yet to be fully answered.

@ the bold: Your dream is the product of your mindset. Satan knows your heart and gave you a dream in line with it.

Jesus said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations and then the end will come (Mat. 24:14).

That shows God approved only the Gospel as His last message to the world. Islam is not from the true God but an invention of the Devil.

OlayinkaFawaz:


same way the bibles also were contained of violence!

The only war in the Bible that was not a reprisal attack was that of Cannan and that was because God wanted to exterminate the Cannanites because of their atrocities, which they persisted despite warnings.

So tell me where in the Bible that wars were fought on religious grounds, i .e to convert people by force.

I still cannot understand why some christains think that the muslims cannot be saved, nor can they inherit the kingdom of God nor paradise without them converting to christainity. Have any of this individuals actually picked the Quran to read without only listening to what they have been told about Islam? Do you think the muslims do not also believe in Jesus? It is stated clearly in the Quran that Jesus christ was a muslim.

Here is what Muhammad said about individuals like this in the Quran. [ provide your answer to his question in the last verse. ]



Surah 2:108


Many of the people of the scripture [ Jews and Christains ] wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even after the truth [ that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger ] has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings his command. Verily, Allah is able to do all things.


Vs 111] And they say, " None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christain. " These are their own desires. Say [ O Muhammad ], " Produce your proof if you are truthful. "

druxy:
Jesus is only a prophet and messenger of Allah...stop worshipping him for your own sake

And who told you we are worshipping him? There are several verses in the Bible where Jesus made it clear that he was sent by God. But we acknowledge him just like you also acknowledge Muhammad.

druxy:
Jesus is only a prophet and messenger of Allah...stop worshipping him for your own sake

Muhammad was not even a prophet sent by God because it was his wife who convinced him to lie that it was God who spoke to him even when Muhammad insisted it was devils.

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WHY I AM STILL DOUBTING IF THE QURAN TOLD A LIE CONCERNING ISHMAEL BEING THE SACRIFICIAL SON AND NOT ISAAC.


By Dr. Odia A. Ogbebor




My mum recently told me that sometimes your helpers could take the image of those who fight and condemn you. The only prove of your faith in God( surrendering to his will ) is to never give up the fight. Never surrender to no one's will except God. There is a future your persecutors are helping you build. Even when you think that you are down, the spirit of the Most High is there to pick you up. Just keep moving.

I remember the first time i heard about Ishmael been the sacrificial son and not Isaac from an Islamic program on television. I smiled because it was a odd to me and yet funny. I did not accept it neither did i condemn them due to the understanding that everyone wants to claim a good story to themselves. So i never bothered to know why they thought so. Atleast, there was no need to dig deep into such knowledge until now that i am being questioned in defence of my cause in proving that the muslims are also God's children and are also saved. And so, they deserve no condemnation.

I went ahead to make my research this time to provide answers to my examiners. Here is the little i have found out.

Hagar which is known as the bond woman, servant of sarah and mother of Ishmael, was the daughter of King Pharoah of Egypt. She chose to be a slave to Sarah when she saw the the wonders God worked through Abraham on her father, King Pharoah. For she said that it is better to go serve the house of Abraham than be a princess in her father's house. So it is my theory to say that the real intention of Hagar serving the house of Abraham was to get closer to his God and not to get a reward from Abraham nor to be condemned nor looked down on as an inferior or insignificant being. Though she was serving Sarah, but in truth, she was serving God. And in our path to walking closer to God, none should be condemned, nor sidelined, nor looked down on, for we all are his children.

Now we know that Abraham has been childless for several years before he had his first son, Ismael at age 86. And it was 13 years later, at the age of 99, Abraham had his second son, Isaac. But before Ishmael and Isaac was born, Abraham had someone who was like a son to him from a concubine. He is called Eliezer Dam - Meshek. Eliezer was not his biological son as far as the scripture can say and everyother available source i have seen.

Genesis 15:2-5;

But Abram said, " O lord God, what will you give me, for i continue [a] childless and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus? " Then Abram said, " Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir! " And behold, the word of the Lord came to him saying, " This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body( son ) shall be your heir. "

Now, when God said i shall make one from your own body( your own son) heir to Abraham, he did not mention a particular son. And the word, Son, could have mean't just one person if he was blessed with only one son. And for the fact that nations would spring up from the seed of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac are both heirs to the inheritance.

Every sincere heart would understand that the both children may become rivals concerning who takes the greater share of the inheritance. And mothers are always the architect of this act, not the fathers. This is clearly seen in the story of Esau and Jacob. Jacob luring the elder brother Esau to taking the birth right as the first born from him. Their mother was the brain behind it.

Lets look into the world of Sarah and Hagar, utilising our imagination to percieve what it could have been like.

Sarah was the first wife of Abraham, who was his half sister. So after years of trying to produce a child for Abraham and couldn't, she then asked Abraham to take in Hagar as his wife. Before now, Hagar has been serving Sarah as her maiden. At 86, Abraham had his first seed from Hagar. And he was called Ishmael. If you were to be in Abraham's shoes, wouldn't you be exceedingly happy that God has finally given you a son from your own flesh and blood? If you were foretold about the coming of Ishmael, wouldn't they call it a good-tiding? Is it not a good news?

Most Islamic critics( the christains most especially) claim that the word, good-tidings was only associated to Isaac and not Ishmael. This i cannot agree to. Who in Abraham's shoes would not be pleased and very happy on having his first child at the age of 86? And not just a child but a son. Would this not give him a relief that his kingdom has been secured in his own flesh and blood? How can this not be a good news to Abraham?

Most of the christains who criticizes who criticizes the Ishmael theory as the sacrificial son, claim that his birth wouldn't have brought any Joy to Abraham, and so does not deserve to be called a good news. Who can truly support this judgement with a sincere heart?

Here is the verse of the Quran which the present age Islamic scholars used in proving their views that Ishmael is the son to be sacrificed and not Isaac.



Surah 37:99-105


99. He said: "I will go to my Lord! He
will surely guide me
100. "O my Lord! Grant me a
righteous (son)!"
101. So We gave him the good news of
a forbearing son.
102. Then, when (the son) reached
(the age of) (serious) work with him,
he said: "O my son! I have seen in a
vision that I offer thee in sacrifice:
now see what is thy view!" (The son)
said: "O my father! Do as thou art
commanded: thou will find me, if Allah
so wills, one of the steadfast!"
103. So when they had both submitted
(to Allah), and he had laid him
prostrate on his forehead (for
sacrifice),
104. We called out to him "O
Abraham! ...
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the
vision!" - thus indeed do We reward
those who do right.


There was a particular time in the old age where some muslims actually accepted the interpretation of the christains concerning the same verses in the Quran. I would not be suprised at their interpretation since my experience with most christains has proven to me that they read and take the message, even of their own scriptures too literally.

The christains who claimed that the verses was refering to Isaac used the sayings in Surah 37:112; which is;


" And we gave him the good news of Isaac- a prophet- one of the righteous. "


And also in Surah 51:28;


" They said ' fear not, ' and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge. "


Now, does it seem to you that the christains and some of the muslims who also believe in this are right concerning the Isaac theory? One is easily tempted to say yes. But lets see a further arguement of the muslims in favor of Ishmael.



" Some points have to be made clear in this concern.


1. It is well known that Abraham got
his first child in his old days (more
than 80 years old). By all means, when
he was given the news of his first son,
Ishmael , the news were great and
not only good. It seems reasonable to
think that the news of having his
second son, Isaac would be equal or
less because in the first time the
surprise factor has certainly increased
his happiness.

2. More to the point, using the same
argument as the opposition, one can
safely say that the sacrificed was
described as forbearing and steadfast
in the Qur'ân and if we search the
whole Qur'ân we will find the name of
Ishmael associated to patience and
steadfastness and not Isaac !

3. Indeed verse 21:85 reads

"And (remember) Ishmael, Idris, and
Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and
patience ".

Conclusion: The sacrificed is Ishmael
according to the opponent's own
logic. "


Do their reasons not satisfy you? Lets see more of what they said again.




" Further scrutiny requires that we
quote the full passage in surah 37: From verse 99-105 has been given above. So we would produce only the remaining verses from 105-113, below.



" 105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the
vision!" - thus indeed do We reward
those who do right.
106. For this was a clear trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a
momentous sacrifice:
108. And We left for him among
generations (to come) in later times:
109. "Peace and salutation to
Abraham!"
110. Thus indeed do We reward those
who do right.
111. For he was one of Our believing
Servants.


112. And We gave him the good news
of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the
Righteous.


113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of
their progeny are (some) that do
right, and (some) that obviously do
wrong, to themselves. "


It is very obvious that, in this passage,
there are two distinct good news, the
first one about a forbearing son (the
one to be sacrificed) and the second
one about Isaac . Thus, the
sacrificed cannot be Isaac at least
not according to the Qur'ân. But, once
again, the opponent avoided
(willingly?) to quote the full passage
and this is frequently their way of
doing things. Moreover, those who
support that the two news are actually
the same show their incompetence
with the Qur'ânic style. Such a
repetition cannot be imagined nor
accepted by anyone who studied the
Qur'ân, God's Final Book.



Let us also look at the opinion of Ibn Kathir for further clarification with regard to the exegesis of verse 37:101;

" So we gave him the good news of a forebearing son "

Then after this, we would look at the biblical view to judge the subject matter.


Here is the translation of the above passage by Ibn Kathir.



" And this son is Ishmael
for he is the first son whose
good news was brought to
Abraham . He is older than
Isaac according to Muslims
and ahl al-kitâb (i.e., the
People of the Book) too. It
is even said in their
Scripture that Ishmael was
born when Abraham was 86
years old and Isaac was
born when Abraham was 99.
In their Scripture as well,
God is said to have ordered
Abraham to sacrifice his
only son and in another
version his firstborn. And,
at this spot, they inserted
falsely the name of Isaac
against the text of their
very Scripture. The reason
they inserted Isaac is that
he is their father whereas
Ishmael is the father of
the Arabs. They added Isaac
out of envy and brushed away
"only son" by saying that
Ishmael and his mother had
already been to Makkah. This
is a mere [farfetched]
explanation since we never
say "only son" except to a
person who hasn't got but one
son. Moreover, the firstborn
has got a special place [in
the heart of his father] that
is not given to the following
children and the order to
sacrifice him is therefore a
greater test. Some
knowledgeable people were
inclined to say that the
sacrificed was Isaac . This
was reported from some people
of the salaf (i.e. people of
the previous generations) and
it was even reported from
some Companions but [this
opinion] does not have any
bearings from the Book
[i.e., the Qur'ân] nor from
the Sunnah. I think such
opinion was received from the
Rabbis of ahl al-Kitâb as is
without evidence. Moreover,
God's Book is a witness and
points to the fact that it is
Ishmael because the glad
tiding said that the son was
patient and that he is the
sacrificed. Only afterwards,
He said: "And We gave him
the good news of Isaac - a
prophet,- one of the
Righteous." and when the
Angels brought the good news
of Isaac to Abraham they
said: " "Fear not," and they
gave him glad tidings of a
son endowed with knowledge."
And the Most High said: " We
gave her [Sarah] glad tidings
of Isaac, and after him, of
Jacob." [11:71] meaning that
in the lifetime of Abraham
and Sarah , Isaac will
beget a child that he will
call Jacob implying that
Isaac will have a progeny.
We have already explained why
it is not possible that Isaac
be sacrificed while still
a child i.e., because God
promised them [Abraham and
Sarah] that he will have a
progeny. On the other hand,
Ishmael was described as
forbearing and he fits that
description.



[Note that many commentators
including Ibn Kathîr believe
that "forbearing" does not
fit a child, it can at least
describe teenagers for they
are old enough to be
described as such.]



Now lets see if their opinion have any element of truth in it, utilizing the biblical version.


Genesis 22:2;

Then he said, " Take now your son, your ONLY SON Isaac, whom you love and go to the land of Moriah and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which i shall tell you. "


Genesis 22:16

and said: By myself I have sworn says the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your ONLY SON-


Here are my reasoning questions to the christains.


Why will God address Isaac as the ONLY SON of Abraham? Does it mean that it wasn't God who gave Ishmael to Abraham? Or has God forgotten that Isaac is the second son of Abraham?

Or could it be that there was only one son in the life of Abraham as at when he was given the order to make such sacrifice? If you say he had one son as at then, who do you think it would have been?


Some may actually still insist that it
was because Hagar and her son has
been sent out of the house of
Abraham, that was why Isaac was
refered to as the only son. Verily I
say, no sane man can accept this.

A man who has a bastard son( child
born out of wedlock ) cannot
exclude this son from anyother that
he might give birth to within a
wedlock( marriage)
Hagar was made the second wife of
Abraham according to the
instruction of Sarah.

Genesis 16:3;

Then sarai, Abram’s wife took Hagar
her maid, the Egyptian, and gave
her to her husband Abram to be HIS
WIFE, after Abraham had dwelled 10
years in the land of canaan.
This also means that Ishmael was a
legal son of Abraham.
Ishmael had lived for 13 years
before Isaac was born. And if this is
true, do you not think that it would
have been a greater loss and pain
for Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael
when the promise of Isaac hasn’t
come?
And lets say we still claim that it
was Isaac. What is the gravity of
such a test? It would not be really
painful to Abraham since he knows
he already has a son before Isaac
that could still be his heir. So why
would God tempt him with a test
that more or less proves nothing?
Think my friend.

It could be the issue of inheritance
that would have made sarah to
suggest the departure of Hagar from
the house of Abraham. She probably
wanted to secure all the inheritance
for Isaac. Who can blame her? She
is the first wife and desires to
exercise her right.

The Egyptian blood in Hagar has
made her suffer such
condemnation. So it is obvious why
the story line would be told to favor
Isaac and not Ishmael.

I am yet to see a strong reason why
i should disbelief the Quran
concerning Ishmael been the son to
be sacrificed and not Isaac. If you
have a vivid reason to go against
this, please share it so that i can
learn about it.

NB:


1. If we say that the word, ONLY
SON actually refered to Isaac, then
its either it was his mother Sarah
that gave the story( since Isaac was
her only son and not to Abraham) or
God himself did not know what he
was talking about.

2. It
is related that a renowned
traditionalist of Jewish
origin, from the Qurayza
tribe, and another Jewish
scholar, who converted to
Islam, told that Caliph Omar
Ibn cAbd al- c Azîz (717-20)
that the Jews were well
informed that Ismail was the
one who was bound, but that
they concealed this out of
jealousy.

My son Pastorpreneur,

That dream was revealed to you from the celestial chariot of MARS since you had it on 5th of July which was on Tuesday. The Angel - Samael a.k.a Ares (the greek god of war) rules the planet of Mars and his day is Tuesday.

You should know that the planet of MARS represents war or a warrior.

Now, the compound & the mosque you saw represent Middle East & Saudi-Arabia.

The 2 people sitting in the corner represent King Salman of Saudi-Arabia & Recep Erdogan of Turkey.

The muslim friend of yours you saw conversing with the Imam about you represents Obama - a traitor.

The dark substance you saw on the ground in the compound represents crude oil.

The white bowl in which those fruits were brought to you represents the oil pipeline that is being constructed from Saudi-Arabia enroute Syria to Europe.

The purpose of which is to weaken Russia & Iran by flooding the world market with cheap oil; but for that to happen, Bashar Al-Assad of Syria must be uprooted since he's an ally of both Russia & Iran, so basically, the war is Syria is nothing but an oil & gas pipeline war.

Now, this is where you tie into this oil & gas pipeline war. Your surname is Ogbebor; Ogbebor in Yoruba means “he carried sacrifice”.

For that pipeline construction to be successful, you must carry sacrifice on behalf of Saudi-Arabia & Turkey, hence, the reason you were given those fruits to eat but since they tasted bad in your mouth, it means the war will swirl through their cities & consume Saudi-Arabia, Turkey & their puppet master in the west a.k.a the United States of Anarchy - Nagode!

4evergod2:



Muhammad was not even a prophet sent by God because it was his wife who convinced him to lie that it was God who spoke to him even when Muhammad insisted it was devils.

now that's very very funny

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Zoharariel:
My son Pastorpreneur,

That dream was revealed to you from the celestial chariot of MARS since you had it on 5th of July which was on Tuesday. The Angel - Samael a.k.a Ares (the greek god of war) rules the planet of Mars and his day is Tuesday.

You should know that the planet of MARS represents war or a warrior.

Now, the compound & the mosque you saw represent Middle East & Saudi-Arabia.

The 2 people sitting in the corner represent King Salman of Saudi-Arabia & Recep Erdogan of Turkey.

The muslim friend of yours you saw conversing with the Imam about you represents Obama - a traitor.

The dark substance you saw on the ground in the compound represents crude oil.

The white bowl in which those fruits were brought to you represents the oil pipeline that is being constructed from Saudi-Arabia enroute Syria to Europe.

The purpose of which is to weaken Russia & Iran by flooding the world market with cheap oil; but for that to happen, Bashar Al-Assad of Syria must be uprooted since he's an ally of both Russia & Iran, so basically, the war is Syria is nothing but an oil & gas pipeline war.

Now, this is where you tie into this oil & gas pipeline war. Your surname is Ogbebor; Ogbebor in Yoruba means “he carried sacrifice”.

For that pipeline construction to be successful, you must carry sacrifice on behalf of Saudi-Arabia & Turkey, hence, the reason you were given those fruits to eat but since they tasted bad in your mouth, it means the war will swirl through their cities & consume Saudi-Arabia, Turkey & their puppet master in the west a.k.a the United States of Anarchy - Nagode!

Hehehe... Wat a funny interpretation!

Make I interpret my own jor.

Everybody knows dat d Igbo land is d home of d palm fruit in Africa. So therefore, d mosque u walked in2 was situated in Igbo land. Dat is d dream & agenda of Buhari, d Fulani herdsmen & Muslims in Nigeria. They want 2plant Islam in Igbo land & they need ur help.

They know dat Igbo land is d promised land flowing wit milk & honey. They know dat BIAFRA was & will b d light of Africa.

But God knows dat their plan 2bury Biafra & plant Islam in Igbo land shall neva see d light.

Pastopreneur:
I still cannot understand why some christains think that the muslims cannot be saved, nor can they inherit the kingdom of God nor paradise without them converting to christainity. Have any of this individuals actually picked the Quran to read without only listening to what they have been told about Islam? Do you think the muslims do not also believe in Jesus? It is stated clearly in the Quran that Jesus christ was a muslim.

Here is what Muhammad said about individuals like this in the Quran. [ provide your answer to his question in the last verse. ]



Surah 2:108


Many of the people of the scripture [ Jews and Christains ] wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even after the truth [ that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger ] has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings his command. Verily, Allah is able to do all things.


Vs 111] And they say, " None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christain. " These are their own desires. Say [ O Muhammad ], " Produce your proof if you are truthful. "

Perhaps because Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life. No one goes to the father except through him. If you think that I should discard what the Bible said and believe what the Quran says about going to paradise, then I doubt that you're truly a Christian.
And Jesus can't have been a Muslim or Christian because Christianity started after Jesus had ascended and the helper had come. Islam started centuries after. However, if you believe that you can go to heaven as a Moslem, then, be my guest!

Pastopreneur:
I would like to bring to the notice of the readers that my real name is Dr. Odia Ogbebor. You could check me up at facebook.com/hiddensimplicities or go through my blog at hiddensimplicities. so as to clarify your opinion about me. The name pastopreneur was the name i gave to myself abt few years back which i structly used for networking purposes, i.e,, as i teach entrepreneur, utilizing the scriptures to back it up. That was how that name was coined.




I AM A CHRISTAIN WHO HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED INTEREST IN ISLAM AS A RESULT OF MY DEFENCE OF ISLAM IN THE FACE OF MY CHRISTAIN BROTHERS. HERE IS A DREAM I HAD WHILE SLEEPING IN THE EARLY HOURS OF 5th of July 2016, CONCERNING A SPIRITUAL ENCOUNTER ABOUT ONE OF THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM



I do not know if i shld take it seriously or not, but it is a revelation that i am still questioning. Here it is.




In the dream, i was brought to a wide compound that has a mosque in it. It was beautiful, and the compound wasnt covered with pure sands but like stony substances. Amongst the stony substances, i discovered another substances dat looked dark and a bit reddish, but more darkened. So i asked myself,, what could this substance be?

So wen i went further into the compound, i saw two persons sitting in one of the corners of the compound. One of them appeared to me like an imam. And it was he who answered my question. But before i asked him my question, i heard him telling the other that no one preached to me abt islam, but i founded it by myself which they call the guidiance of Allah. And they were praising God.

When i saw them acting this way, i laughed within myself and said; this people do not know that i came here only to study and not to be converted to Islam. But it was no use telling them this. I also saw a friend of mine in my community who is a muslim coming close to the Imam and his collegue. And they were having a conversation about me.

But nevertheless, i went on to ask the Imam concerning what i ve seen on the ground in the compound. So told me that he would show it to me. And so directed someone to bring some for me.

When the young man brought them in a bowl, the Imam asked me to take some from it and eat. Initially, i took abt five pieces, but wen i realised it was much, i returned three and was left with two. So when i took one of it closer to my eyes as i fearfully placed one in my mouth( I was afraid due to the fact that i did not know why i was asked to eat it. Funny enough, i couldnt question them), i noticed that it was like palm fruits. I was not so comfortable eating it despite the fact that it wasnt looking scary. As i was eating it, i woke up from the sleep.

It was still in the early hours of the morning. And my curiosity of wat the palm fruit stands for in Islam drove me to search for it on google. Before now, i ve never learnt nor seen anything abt it in relation to islam.

So as i seeked for the knowledge, i realised that there is a particular palm fruit called DATE PALM FRUIT which prophet muhammad told his followers that it is more preferable to eat it immediately you break ur ramandan fasting.

And u culd imagine, this i dreamt of as the muslims are actually breaking their fasting in reality. Its baffling and questionable. Why should i ve dreamt of such wen i did not partake in the ramadam? Or was i practicing it unconsciously? I have never known before now if there was a link btw palm fruit and Islam( God bear me witness) . It was after now i discovered the importance of the palm tree to Islam. And i also learnt that, the date palm fruit, when eaten, has the power to protect u against poison and black magic. There some other thing i learnt also that got me more curious.

But still, my questions are yet to be fully answered.

Man is still living in the physical realm while in reality he is a soul. You have been directing your soul to Islam and Islam is coming to you now.

In the soul realm nothing come to us without out calling out to them.

My Brother believed me, satanic indoctrination is coming your way, be-careful.
You asked the Man what the what the black substance is, he promised to tell you but ended up asking you to eat but "But still, my questions are yet to be fully answered."

This is what the fallen angels are good at deception, if the dream is from God he would answered you what you asked for (Matt7:7-. Or from the Bible have ever seen any of God's children dreamt a dream without an answer?

Your dream is as a result of your state of mind, what you are searching, and the devil wanted to indoctrinate you, through that; feeding you with lies sweet as lies, no wonder the man failed to answer your question!

Sire, becareful of the leaven of the pharisee [indoctrination].

If Mohammed is left alone to be a Moral man it would be good than being a prophet, because he failed some test of righteousness you can browse his flop here on nairaland

Passage Enemy Result God’s involvement Comments
Gen 14:1-20
Nations near Sodom and Gomorrah
Won
Abraham gave tithe to Melchizedek and Melchizedek attributes victory to God (Gen 14:19-20)
Gen 34 ??
Ex 17:8-15 Amalekites Won While Moses’ arms were raised, Israel won
Num 14:39-45(Deut 1:41-46)
Amalekites(Amorites) Lost God commands them not to fight
Num 21:1-3 Canaanites Won
‘The LORD listened to Israel’s request, the Canaanites were defeated, and Israel completely destroyed them and their cities.”‘ (v3)
Num 21:21-35(Deut 3:1-6)
Amorites, Bashan Won
‘The LORD said to Moses, “Do not fear him, for I have handed him over to you along with his whole army and his land.”‘ (v34)
Num 31:1-8 Midianites Won
‘The LORD spoke to Moses, “Execute vengeance for the Israelites against the Midianites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”‘ (vv1-2)
Josh 6 Jericho Won
Direct commands from God, and miraculous destruction of the walls
Josh 7:1-12 Ai Lost
God says the reason for loss is that Israel had kept the plunder from Jericho against God’s command (vv11-12)
Josh 8:1-24 Ai Won
After fixing the plunder issue, God commands Joshua to attack and gives strategic commands (vv1-8, 18)
Josh 10:1-13 Amorite kings Won
God says that he will defeat them, throws them into confusion, then sends hail storms. The stun stands still until the battle is finished. (v8-13)
Josh 10:28-43
List of cities conquered
“Joshua captured all these kings and their land in one campaign, because the Lord, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.” (v42)
Josh 11:1-23
Large coalition of kings, followed by various victories.
Won
“The LORD handed them over to Israel” (v8)”For it was the LORD’s intention to harden their hearts, so that they would engage Israel in battle, be completely destroyed without mercy, and be annihilated, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.” (v20)
Judges 1:1-5
Canaanites and Perizzites
Won
“The LORD handed the Canaanites and Perizzites over to them” (v4)
Judges 1:8-2:3
List of battles and land taken, and nations that Israel failed to drive out
Mixed
“The LORD was with Judah and enabled them to take possession of the hill country, but they could not drive out the people who were living in the valley because those people had iron chariots.” (v19)”Therefore, I now say: I will not drive out these people before you. They will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a trap to you.” (2:3)
Judges
Battles labelled ‘Cycle’ are cycles which involve Israel forsaking God, God specifically handing Israel over to be defeated by an enemy, Israel returning to God and then God acting to rescue them.
Judges 3:8-10 Aram Cycle
God raises Othniel. The Spirit of the Lord is on him (vv9-10)
Othniel
Judges 3:12-30
Moabites, Ammonites, Amalekites
Cycle
God raises Ehud. (v15) He told them, “Follow me, because the LORD has handed over your enemies, the Moabites, to you.” (v28)
Ehud
Judges 3:31 Philistines Cycle?
Shamgar (only one line description, Judges Cycle implied?)
Judges 4 Canaanites Cycle
“The LORD threw Sisera, all his charioteers, and all his army into confusion with the sword” (v15). “That day God subdued Jabin king of Canaan before the Israelites.” (v23)
Deborah & Jael
Judges 6-7 Midianites Cycle
The LORD said to Gideon, “You have too many people for Me to hand the Midianites over to you, or else Israel might brag: ‘I did it myself.'” (7:4). Army reduced to 300 men (7:7), God sends the Midianites into a panic and they attack each other (7:22).
Gideon
Judges 9:22-57 Shechem Won
“God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the lords of Shechem. They treated Abimelech deceitfully, so that the crime against the 70 sons of Jerubbaal might come to justice and their blood would be avenged on their brother Abimelech, who killed them, and on the lords of Shechem, who had helped him kill his brothers.” (v23-24) Abimelech is killed (v56)
Judges 10-11
Philistines and the Ammonites.
Cycle
Jephthah. “Then the LORD God of Israel handed over Sihon and all his people to Israel, and they defeated them” (11:21)
Jephthah
Judges 12:1-6
Gileadites vs Ephraimites Civil War
Judges 13 Philistines Cycle
Samson’s strength comes to him from the Spirit (14:6, 15:14, 16:28) and his actions are directed by God (14:6)
Samson
Judges 18 Laish Won
God doesn’t actually speak (v5-6). The Priest in question seems to be a priest for a false image (18:30). “they went to Laish, to a quiet and unsuspecting people. They killed them with their swords and burned down the city.” (18:27) this seems to be a condemnation?
Judges 20 Israel vs Benjaminites Civil War
God directs order of battle and gives them victory (20:18, 23, 28).
Punishment of city (city given chance to hand the guilty men over). People weep over the war.
Judges 21 Jabesh-Gilead Civil War
1 Sam 4:1-11 Philistines Lost (Cycle?)
The elders of Israel asked, “Why did the LORD let us be defeated today by the Philistines? Let’s bring the ark of the LORD’s covenant from Shiloh. Then it will go with us and save us from the hand of our enemies.” (v3) Lost the next battle and lost the Ark.
1 Sam 7:3-11 Philistines
Won (2nd half of Cycle?)
“The LORD thundered loudly against the Philistines that day and threw them into such confusion that they fled before Israel” (7:10)
The Monarchy
1 Sam 11:1-11 Ammonites Won
“When Saul heard these words, the Spirit of God suddenly took control of him, and his anger burned furiously.” (11:6)
1 Sam 13-14 Philistines Won
Saul initiates battle, but needs Samuel to sacrifice to God’s for his favour. Samuel does not come for 7 days. Saul offers sacrifice instead.Samuel said to Saul, “You have been foolish. You have not kept the command which the LORD your God gave you. It was at this time that the LORD would have permanently established your reign over Israel, but now your reign will not endure.”(13:13-14)Jonathan said to the attendant who carried his weapons, “Come on, let’s cross over to the garrison of these uncircumcised men. Perhaps the LORD will help us. Nothing can keep the LORD from saving, whether by many or by few.” (14:6)”The earth shook, and terror from God spread.” (14:15) “So the LORD saved Israel that day. ” (14:23)Jonathan breaks Saul’s oath, which results in a failure to completely defeat the Philistines (14:37-46)
1 Sam 14:47-48
List of victories for Saul
1 Sam 15 Amalekites Won
God commands Saul to attack (15:2-3). Saul wins, but fails to destroy the flocks. God rejects Saul.
1 Sam 17 Philistines Won God gives David victory over Goliath (17:37, 45-47)
1 Sam 18:1-19:8
List of victories for David
God is with David (18:14)
David vs Saul
1 Sam 23:1-5 David vs Philistines Won
David asks God whether to attack, God says yes, “for I will hand the Philistines over to you.” (23:1-4)
1 Sam 27
David vs Geshurites, Girzites and Amalekites
Won
Raids conducted while David was hiding from Saul amongst the Philistines and pretending to be on their side
1 Sam 30 David vs Amalekites Won
Raiders took his people. David asks God, who tells him to attack (30:7-.
1 Sam 28-29, 311 Cron 10:1-14
Saul vs Philistines Lost
God refuses to respond to Saul, Saul gets medium to summon Samuel who says God give victory to Philistines (28:19). Philistines win and Saul is killed.
David’s Reign
1 Chron 11-12
List of warriors and battles
References to the Spirit guiding warriors, and God giving victory.
2 Sam 2-4 David vs Benjaminites Civil War
Benjaminites eventually turn against each other, then finally recognise David
2 Sam 5:6-10 Jebusites (Jerusalem) Won
“David became more and more powerful, and the LORD God of Hosts was with him.” (5:10)
2 Sam 5:17-20 Philistines Won
David asks God what to do, God says “Go, for I will certainly hand the Philistines over to you.” (5:19)
2 Sam 5:22-251 Chron 14:9-17
Philistines Won
David asks God, who gives specific tactical instructions (5:23-24)
2 Sam 8:1-141 Chron 18
List of victories
“The LORD made David victorious wherever he went.” (8:14)
2 Sam 101 Chron 19-20
Ammonites and Arameans
Won
Ammonites pick fight (10:6), hire Arameans to help. After loss, Arameans make peace with Israel.
2 Sam 11-12 Ammonites Won
Bathsheba incident occurs here
2 Sam 13-18 David vs Absalom Civil War
Leading up to the battles, God causes Absalom to make bad decisions (17:14).
2 Sam 20 David vs Sheba Civil War
2 Sam 21:15-22
Lists of victories against the Philistines
Fighting descendants of Goliath
Solomon
1 Kings 11
Solomon sins. God raises up Hadad the Edomite and Rezon son of Eliada as enemies (11:14, 23)
1 Kings 11-122 Chr 11
Rehoboam vs Jeroboam Civil War
“the turn of events came from the LORD to carry out His word” (12:15)Rehoboam gathers army, but God says “You are not to march up and fight against your brothers, the Israelites. Each of you must return home, for I have done this.” (12:24)
Kingdom splits
1 Kings 142 Chr 12:1-12
Judah vs Egypt Lost
God says “You have abandoned Me; therefore, I have abandoned you into the hand of Shishak.” (2 Chr 12:4)God makes Judah become vassal of Egypt (2 Chr 12:
Egypt sacked the Temple
2 Chron 13 Israel vs Judah Judah won
“God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.” (13:15)
2 Chron 14:10-14
Judah vs Cush Won “So the LORD routed the Cushites before Asa”
1 Kings 152 Chr 16
Judah vs Israel Judah won
Judah make alliance with Aram (Aram breaks previous alliance with Israel). They defeat Israel.
1 Kings 20 Israel vs Aram Won
God says “I am handing it over to you today so that you may know that I am the LORD.” (20:13)”Because the Arameans have said: The LORD is a god of the mountains and not a god of the valleys, I will hand over this entire immense horde to you. Then you will know that I am the LORD.” (20:28)
1 Kings 222 Chr 18
Israel & Judah vs Aram
Lost
Kings ask prophets of Baal, who say good idea.The Prophet Micaiah says that God is enticing Israel to fight because he has pronounced disaster on them (22:17-23)They fight anyway, Ahab is killed (fulfils prophecy)
2 Kings 3
Israel & Judah vs Moab
Won
Elisha provides water for the armies. “This is easy in the LORD’s sight. He will also hand Moab over to you.” (3:18)
2 Chr 20
Judah vs Moabites, Ammonites, and Meunites
Won
Nation fasts. Jehoshaphat prays and tells them they will not even have to fight. Judah lines up and sings praises to God, and God causes the enemies to fight amongst themselves and kill each other (20:21-23)
2 Kings 6 Israel vs Aram Won
God gives tactical direction (6:9)Aram sends men after Elisha, but God blinds them (6:18)
2 Kings 6:24-7:16
Israel vs Aram Won
Aram besieges Samaria. God says he will break the siege and the hunger (7:1)God causes the Amarean’s to hear the sound of a large army and run away (7:6-7)
2 Kings 8:20-222 Chr 21:4-10
Judah vs Edom Lost
Because king Jehoram has done evil in God’s sight (2 Chr 21:6, 10)
Edom is still in rebellion to this day (8:22)
2 Kings 8:28-292 Chr 22:5-8
Israel & Judah vs Aram
Result unspecified
Israel’s king Joram is wounded. God then replaces him with Jehu (below)”Ahaziah’s downfall was from God” (2 Chr 22:7)
2 Kings 9-102 Chr 22:8-11
Joram vs Jehu (Judah)
Civil War
God anoints Jehu to replace Joram . Jehu then takes Israel in battle and kills Joram
2 Kings 10:32-33
Israel vs Aram Lost
God causes Israel to lose battles and lose land (10:32)
2 Kings 13:1-5
Israel vs Aram Cycle
Israel do evil, so God hands them over to Aram. But Israel return to him and he raises deliverer to protect Israel (11:4-5)
2 Chr 24:23-24
Judah vs Aram Lost
“Although the Aramean army came with only a few men, the LORD handed over a vast army to them because the people of Judah had abandoned the LORD God” (24:24)
2 Kings 14:7 Judah vs Edom Won Killed 10,000 Edomites
2 Chr 25: 5-13 Judah vs Seirites Won
Judah hires Ephraimites to help. Prophets tells him to send them home (25:7). He does and wins.
Ephraimites sent home raid Judah.
2 Kings 14:8-142 Chr 25:17-24
Judah vs Israel Israel Won
Judah picks fight with Israel. Israel warns that he will lose. Fights anyway and loses. Israel loots Temple
2 Kings 14:25-27
Israel vs Aram Won God allows Israel to restore borders previously lost
2 Chr 26:6-8
Judah vs Philistines, Meunites, Ammonites
Won “God helped him against the Philistines” (26:7)
2 Kings 15:16 Israel vs Tiphash (?) Won
Rips open pregnant women
2 Kings 15:19-20
Israel vs Assyria Treaty
Assyria invades, Israel pays tribute and becomes vassal
2 Kings 15:29 Israel vs Assyria Lost
Towns captured and people exiled
2 Chron 27:2-6
Judah vs Ammonites Won
“Jotham strengthened himself because he did not waver in obeying the LORD his God.” (27:6)
2 Kings 16:5-62 Chr 28:5
Judah vs Aram Lost
“the LORD his God handed Ahaz over to the king of Aram.” (2 Chr 28:5)
Aram take towns. Judah asks Assyria for help, and swears allegiance. Assyria takes Damascus back.
2 Chr 28:5-13 Israel vs Judah Israel Won
God hands Judah to Israel (28:5). Israel wins and takes slaves, but God says to send them home (28:9-11)
2 Chr 28:17-19
Judah vs Edom and Philistines
Lost
For the LORD humbled Judah because of King Ahaz of Judah, who threw off restraint in Judah and was unfaithful to the LORD. (28:19)
2 Kings 17:3-23
Israel vs Assyria Lost
“The LORD removed Israel from His presence just as He had declared through all His servants the prophets.” (17:23)
Refuse to pay tribute. Assyria conquers Samaria and deports people.
2 Kings 18:8 Judah vs Philistines Won “The LORD was with him” (18:7)
2 Kings 18-192 Chr 32
Judah vs Assyria Won
God says “I will defend this city and rescue it for My sake and for the sake of My servant David.” That night the angel of the LORD went out and struck down 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians. (19:34-35)
Hezekiah rebelled against Assyria (18:7). When Assyria defeated Samaria, they continued into Judah and besiege Jerusalem.
2 Chr 33:9-13 Judah vs Assyria Lost
God brought Assyria against Judah because Manasseh was evil (33:9-11). Manasseh was captured, repented, and God released him.
2 Kings 23:292 Chr 35:20-24
Judah vs Egypt Lost
When Pharaoh spoke to Josiah, he spoke with God’s words (35:22) but Josiah ignored him.
Egypt marches against Assyria. Judah fights Egypt, King Josiah is killed.Pharaoh dictates who are next few kings and Judah pays tribute (2 Kings 23:31-37).
2 Kings 24:12 Chr 36:608
Judah vs Babylon Lost
Babylon conquers Judah and Judah becomes vassal. Then Judah rebels.
2 Kings 24:2-4
Judah vs Chaldeans, Arameans, Moabites, and Ammonites
Lost
“This happened to Israel only at the LORD’s command to remove them from His sight. It was because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all he had done” (24:3)
2 Kings 24:7-20
Judah v s Babylon Lost
“Because of the LORD’s anger, it came to the point in Jerusalem and Judah that He finally banished them from His presence” (24:20)
Nebuchadnezzar besieges Jerusalem and ti surrenders.First exile.
2 Kings 252 Chr 36:16-21
Judah v s Babylon Lost
Judah rebels again (24:20). Nebuchadnezzar besieges Jerusalem and takes it.Second exile.