UndisputedBosom:
Take your cry elsewhere "attention seeker".


There is a better life after this wicked one we are living now and is called "paradise" besides they only killed her body and not her soul which is the most important one

Teempakguy:
one Question.

Did all those christians killed by boko haram WANT to be killed?

Since no,

They did NOT have free will at that particular time.

qq
So, God's principle sucks. It's not universal, so what's the point?

That's what abused women say about their abusive boyfriends to sane people who tell them to abandon the destructive relationship.

Also, I've examined all the shitty evidences. No thanks, I'm not that desperate. Why will I leave the thread? so you guys can post diseased logic and get away with it? Hell no, I'll remain to point it out to your faces.

Teempakguy:
I'm sorry, but she actually has a very bad understanding of what is going on.

freewill has limits. specifically when actions taken under free will infringes on the free will of other people. at that point, it becomes a case of which action should be permitted. freewill is now out of the equation.

most humans do not want to be burnt alive. when someone tries to burn them alive, that person is infringing on their free will to NOT be burnt alive. at that point, it becomes a battle of which action should be allowed to pass. if the immoral action of burning someone is allowed instead of the moral action of NOT allowing the person to be burnt alive, it goes from a situation of allowing free will, to allowing evil.

I think the both of you are reading the wrong philosophers. they're not all right, you know?

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

EbolaParasite:


I think it is rather immature and very hypocritical to judge another religion/group/faith.

You realize that the same FAITH that you have that makes you believe in YOUR own religion is the same FAITH that those that believe in the religion that you are crucifying have? All you both have is FAITH. What makes you think YOUR own FAITH is superior to theirs?

tayooluwole:


Attention seeker ke !!! Answer ma question joor, who has ever gone outside this world ( by death ) and come back to know there is better life out there...

JoeCutie:
Bros, she was not talking about "human beings". She was talking about God not being held responsible for man's actions because someone was asking why God would allow someone to be killed while preaching His word.

I want to cut everything short. God gave man the freedom to do whatever he wishes - even though he'd answer for whatever he does at the end - and in philosophy, it's called 'Freewill'. You could read it up.

Your own argument is quite different. You're talking about humans perpetrating evil against fellow humans. We are talking about God allowing humans perpetrate evil.

I just wish you'd understand this very quickly.

Teempakguy:
but this same guy was behind all these statements:

psalm 121: 7

The LORD will keep you from all harm-- he will watch over your life;


Psalm 91:10

No evil will befall you, Nor will any plague come near your tent.


Proverbs 12:21

No harm befalls the righteous, But the wicked are filled with trouble.


2Thessalonians 3:3

But the Lord is faithful. He will establish you and guard you against the evil one.


2Timothy 4:18

The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.


1John 5:18

We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

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Wha . . . How the HELL is this not a guarantee?

WTF . . . you guys are so full of crap. your holy book has almost 10 different verses explicitly claiming that God will always protect those who believe in him. several more claiming that he never breaks his promises, even several more claiming that he will do WHATEVER his followers ask of him.

but hey, let's just put a little caveat that DIRECTLY contradicts the claims of NO CONDITIONS, so that the people pushing our propaganda get something to lean on when they get backed into a tight logical corner.


"God doesn't guarantee . . . "

Go self-service yourselves off.

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

tayooluwole:


U said death to a true believer is a call to everlasting life... My brother, what I need is evidence that after death there is a life there that is everlasting , there is paradise in semewhere else where all believers are going after death... Let scienstific or material or even spiritual evidence be shown to me in dis regard and let's see if I will not go to the street of kano and beggin to shout that Jesus is the only way...

bigmeechfilms:



the way africans talk about the white man's religion like their forefathers where there wen it all happened.with all the holy holy plz name one great african nation.south africa where i live is good cos of the white ppl here if not it will b another failed black country.we blacks need to sit down and think.i dont believe in any other religion other than african religion.b4 u say sh*t about god punishing me.i am comfortably living good.i wonder how gullible Nigerians are when i watch all this pastors misbehave and see blacks like me falling for this useless nollywood acts

Kaycee7:
cc: tayooluwole

As others have let you know before me, God told christians beforehand that they will endure persecution. He made statements about christians picking up their cross and following him. He pronounced blessing for those who would withstand persecution for him. And then he set an example by allowing himself to be arrested. He even stopped his Peter from fighting and healed the ear of the guard that was cut off. Then he went and endured physical torture, public humiliation and death. Every christian is called to evangelism, one way or another. We may not all be called to carry The Bible and venture into dangerous areas. But we should proclaim The Gospel at all points in our life with our actions. And stand by it in all occasions. For example, a young christian man being forced into a cult should refuse even on pain of death to join. It doesn't have to be when you're preaching in an islamic environment. God promised us protection until it is our time to leave this world. In The Bible, Jesus' enemies tried many times unsuccessfully to capture him until Gethsemane. So we will also be protected by God until it is our time to leave this world.

cc: Teempakguy
The Bible is not a novel or an article to be read superficially. And I notice you're nitpicking verses to suit you. Even if you were to read the whole message, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you'll still misinterprete it.


Lastly, some atheists should mind their words on this forum and elsewhere. Some of you are inadvertently placing curses on yourself. Science which I suppose you believe allows room for error. So create room for error in your belief that there is no supreme being and desist from directly insulting God lest He visits punishment on you in this life.

Kaycee7:
cc: tayooluwole

As others have let you know before me, God told christians beforehand that they will endure persecution. He made statements about christians picking up their cross and following him. He pronounced blessing for those who would withstand persecution for him. And then he set an example by allowing himself to be arrested. He even stopped his Peter from fighting and healed the ear of the guard that was cut off. Then he went and endured physical torture, public humiliation and death. Every christian is called to evangelism, one way or another. We may not all be called to carry The Bible and venture into dangerous areas. But we should proclaim The Gospel at all points in our life with our actions. And stand by it in all occasions. For example, a young christian man being forced into a cult should refuse even on pain of death to join. It doesn't have to be when you're preaching in an islamic environment. God promised us protection until it is our time to leave this world. In The Bible, Jesus' enemies tried many times unsuccessfully to capture him until Gethsemane. So we will also be protected by God until it is our time to leave this world.

cc: Teempakguy
The Bible is not a novel or an article to be read superficially. And I notice you're nitpicking verses to suit you. Even if you were to read the whole message, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you'll still misinterprete it.


Lastly, some atheists should mind their words on this forum and elsewhere. Some of you are inadvertently placing curses on yourself. Science which I suppose you believe allows room for error. So create room for error in your belief that there is no supreme being and desist from directly insulting God lest He visits punishment on you in this life.

Amberon11:
Tell that to your pedophile that has kept the entire Islamic world in stone age.

UndisputedBosom:



There is a better life after this wicked one we are living now and is paradise

bigmeechfilms:



the way africans talk about the white man's religion like their forefathers where there wen it all happened.with all the holy holy plz name one great african nation.south africa where i live is good cos of the white ppl here if not it will b another failed black country.we blacks need to sit down and think.i dont believe in any other religion other than african religion.b4 u say sh*t about god punishing me.i am comfortably living good.i wonder how gullible Nigerians are when i watch all this pastors misbehave and see blacks like me falling for this useless nollywood acts

tayooluwole:


This is what is baffling me the most, what is the rationale behind spreading and worshiping a God that can not protect us from evil that may want to purnish us by horrible means, even against our will... With this ur point, do u think it will be a sin if I protect my self with charms ?

SeverusSnape:
As in eh...

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3951072_agnosticquotes6_jpegd966c601397b8bc447dfe622bfc0f7e8

That's the same questions I started asking my self some times back. Bokoharam will enter a church (house of God) and kill innocent lives worshiping God, and that God is there folding his arms?... I dey laugh.

tayooluwole:


My brother, fine u are a christian but some of our popular pastors are more christian than you do ( my thinking though )... if it is a normal thing that being a christian should be accompanied by being fearless to death, while pursuing d course of christianity, why our so called pastors do use sophisticated security to prevent attack ?