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Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by BlackIsLife: 4:45pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
When we call you a dumbo now you will start crying.


M.D.s are practitioners, not scientists. While they apply scientific advances in their practice, that does not make them "scientists". It's safe to say that a large percentage of medical doctors do employ the scientific method with respect to how they assess and treat their patients.


Educate yourself. Dont just argue for sake of relevance. Read read read.
Kkkkk
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 4:50pm On Jul 11, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
grin grin . So if you pick a needle in a dark room , you wont know you have found one huh . From your "smart talk " , blind people who need to feel are always wrong undecided

You again undecided . No wonder sha wink He is an atheist

Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by BlackIsLife: 4:51pm On Jul 11, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
The word scientist was not used until in 1833 . But anyway , science is based on research , experimentation and doctors as far as 4 000 BC can be described as scientists since they supposedly made discoveries themselves .

Some doctors are scientists .
Ebuka, I am here to learn and to teach not to argue, that's why i stopped replying 4evergods since his points are not making sense to me - to be frank with you doctors are not scientist and scientists are not doctors
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by UyiIredia(op): 4:51pm On Jul 11, 2016
These atheists sef. Dem just dey make me laugh. Especially HardMirror. They know if they admit that consciousness is immaterial the the points I stated in the OP stands. So they decieve themselves into thinking consciousness is physical when it's clearly not.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by KingEbukaNaija: 4:53pm On Jul 11, 2016
BlackIsLife:
It's worrying bro - christians thought science began in the C.E - imagine someone telling me that medical doctors are scientist, today is the first day i heard something as gross as that


I'm patiently waiting for them though to come up with their googled deduction.
I clearly said

KingEbukaNaija:
Physicians are medical doctors and obviously have a great knowledge of biological science
Actually science began between the 10th and 11th century and it came from the Muslim world - the religious . But physicians during the bible days knew and studied nature obviously in the primitive way .

Again , atheism has nothing to do with Science
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 4:56pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
[s]Ok so the brain is like a cpu right? Why then is a computer not conscious when you put in the cpu since the brain is like a cpu?

I have told you that scientists themselves have all agreed theh cannot link consciousness to the brain or to the body even. I also posted links for you to read and confirm it yourself.

Do you know what the scientists who themselves are denying knowledge and whose imaginary scientific theory you are using?

Imagine this guy sha....simple biology....I just dey look u dey laugh.[/s]
Am Sure U Don't Know The Function Of CPU In The Computer So Its Obvious U Would Be Ignorant On That

The Link U Provided?? THAT U DISPUTED NOT LONG AGO?? CAUSE U Didn't Even Read It And Then Concluded NDE Was Death cheesy
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by KingEbukaNaija: 4:58pm On Jul 11, 2016
BlackIsLife:
Ebuka, I am here to learn and to teach not to argue, that's why i stopped replying 4evergods since his points are not making sense to me - to be frank with you doctors are not scientist and scientists are not doctors
Some doctors can be scientists . I hope you know what a scientist is huh . Anyone can be a scientist
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 4:58pm On Jul 11, 2016
UyiIredia:
These atheists sef. Dem just dey make me laugh. Especially HardMirror. They know if they admit that consciousness is immaterial the the points I stated in the OP stands. So they decieve themselves into thinking consciousness is physical when it's clearly not.
What Goes To Heaven The Body Or The Soul Or The Spirit?? Lets Start From Here And See How Stupid U Are
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by BlackIsLife: 4:59pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
When we call you a dumbo now you will start crying.


M.D.s are practitioners, not scientists. While they apply scientific advances in their practice, that does not make them "scientists". It's safe to say that a large percentage of medical doctors do employ the scientific method with respect to how they assess and treat their patients.


Educate yourself. Dont just argue for sake of relevance. Read read read.
I'm confused bro, do employing a scientific method to treat a patient makes me a scientist? so why do they go to medical school? do you know the meaning of science and scientist at all? - if yes, please explain, if no, keep mute.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jul 11, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Am Sure U Don't Know The Function Of CPU In The Computer So Its Obvious U Would Be Ignorant On That

The Link U Provided?? THAT U DISPUTED NOT LONG AGO?? CAUSE U Didn't Even Read It And Then Concluded NDE Was Death cheesy
I am sure you have a brain. Why not use it.

Before science can lay claim to anything it musr first test it by creating a perfect scenario for their theory.

Scientists wanted to know if their was consciousness after death. And when does death occur (supposedly) when brain acrivity stops and when there are absolutely no vital signs so they recreated all that so that their test subjects could be brought back to attest or refute what they seek. If the test subjects never came back how would it be a proven test?

So if someone is made to simulate death and still experiences consciousness this means that in actual death there is still consciousness.

Use your brain and stop making yourself look silly.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by BlackIsLife: 5:05pm On Jul 11, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Some doctors can be scientists . I hope you know what a scientist is huh . Anyone can be a scientist
Some doctors are actually scientists but the % is extremely low, but being a doctor won't automatically makes you to be a scientist - you've to study along the line of science to be one
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:06pm On Jul 11, 2016
BlackIsLife:
I'm confused bro, do employing a scientific method to treat a patient makes me a scientist? so why do they go to medical school? do you know the meaning of science and scientist at all? - if yes, please explain, if no, keep mute.
A scienist is different from a medical practitioner. This is plain english. Scientists discover. Doctors apply what was discovered. I think you need to reboot your brain.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:09pm On Jul 11, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Am Sure U Don't Know The Function Of CPU In The Computer So Its Obvious U Would Be Ignorant On That

The Link U Provided?? THAT U DISPUTED NOT LONG AGO?? CAUSE U Didn't Even Read It And Then Concluded NDE Was Death cheesy
If you knew the true function of a computers cpu then you would never ever liken it to the brain. You are making yourself look extremely silly.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:13pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
If you knew the true function of a computers cpu then you would never ever liken it to the brain. You are making yourself look extremely silly.
Shhh Stop Displaying Ignorance People Are Watching!!
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by dalaman: 5:15pm On Jul 11, 2016
4evergod2:
Dalaman I somehow alwaya get drawn to you for some reason. I know that you are smart somehow sha so on this thread a bunch of you raised arguments and made submissions which eventually was shown to have absolutely zero scientific support. No proof came from you to back your claims up.

I posted proof upon proof with live links too. Like I said, I know you are smart somehow and I always want to trigger your thinking ability and not this your "run with the crowd syndrome".

Discover for yourself if life designed or it just happened or you just do not know.

This thread is another clear cut opportunity.
I didn't respond to you because it wasn't necessary. What proofs did the links provide? Did the links say that consiousnes is immaterial? What exactly did the links say? You just concluded that the links say that we don't know anything about consiousness which is actually not true. The link just says that we do not fully understand what consiousnes is but they then went ahead and postulated some theories. Your post were off point an sorry to say that was why I didn't even bother reponding to them just as someone indicated to you earlier.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:17pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
I am sure you have a brain. Why not use it.

Before science can lay claim to anything it musr first test it by creating a perfect scenario for their theory.

Scientists wanted to know if their was consciousness after death. And when does death occur (supposedly) when brain acrivity stops and when there are absolutely no vital signs so they recreated all that so that their test subjects could be brought back to attest or refute what they seek. If the test subjects never came back how would it be a proven test?

So if someone is made to simulate death and still experiences consciousness this means that in actual death there is still consciousness.

Use your brain and stop making yourself look silly.
Oooooooooooooooooo How Am I Gonna Explain NDE For U Again Even A Kid Knows From The Name The Person Ain't Dead!! Gosh Ur Level Of Ignorance Is Pathetic Pls Don't Quote Me Again
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by CoolUsername: 5:18pm On Jul 11, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
@CoolUsername

You have proof man evolved from fish ?
I've said time and time again, no modern species evolves to another one. Man didn't evolve from fish. Maybe you, though.

Rather, man and fish share a common ancestor that lived a very long time ago.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:21pm On Jul 11, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Am Sure U Don't Know The Function Of CPU In The Computer So Its Obvious U Would Be Ignorant On That

The Link U Provided?? THAT U DISPUTED NOT LONG AGO?? CAUSE U Didn't Even Read It And Then Concluded NDE Was Death cheesy
Human brain contains about 100 billions neurons (10^11) and about hundred trillions synapses (10^14). Each neuron can fire about 100 times a second. If we model brain as a simple neural network, then it would be equivalent to machine that performs 10^16 operations per second.
This is a lower bound, which it is equivalent to capability of best current supercomputers. (Titan, Sequoia and K computer). However, speed is not the most important factor here. Complexity is more important one. Each neuron has complex structure and is connected to hundred or even thousands of other neurons, sometimes in non-trivial way. There is an emerging field of computational neurobiology that tries to model functionality of nervous systems in computer simulations.

They estimate that simulation of the whole human brain would require supercomputer with about 500 petabytes of memory. Current record in one system is 1.5 petabytes (Sequoia supercomputer). So we need a system over 300 times larger. Such machines are not expected in this decade.

Yet you compare this to a computers cpu?
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by dalaman: 5:22pm On Jul 11, 2016
UyiIredia:
These atheists sef. Dem just dey make me laugh. Especially HardMirror. They know if they admit that consciousness is immaterial the the points I stated in the OP stands. So they decieve themselves into thinking consciousness is physical when it's clearly not.
Is consiousness a function of the brain or not?
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by KingEbukaNaija: 5:23pm On Jul 11, 2016
CoolUsername:
I've said time and time again, no modern species evolves to another one. Man didn't evolve from fish. Maybe you, though.

Rather, man and fish share a common ancestor that lived a very long time ago.
Oh ... sorry a fish-like creature . Right ?

Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by BlackIsLife: 5:23pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
A scienist is different from a medical practitioner. This is plain english. Scientists discover. Doctors apply what was discovered. I think you need to reboot your brain.
Sorry to say this: YOUR IQ IS EXTREMELY LOW!

Say, i'm a software engineer & i've a software you must have before you can surf the net - does using it automatically makes you an engineer?


I'm a mechanical engineer i build a car - does that makes the driver and owner of the car an enginee?


i'm a funiture man and i build chairs, tables etc for my customer - does that make my customers a furniture man?


I'm a scientist i make discoveries for the medical school of thought to use and better peoples lives - does that make the doctors and patients a scientist?

Bro, you not making any sense with your respone.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:24pm On Jul 11, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Oooooooooooooooooo How Am I Gonna Explain NDE For U Again Even A Kid Knows From The Name The Person Ain't Dead!! Gosh Ur Level Of Ignorance Is Pathetic Pls Don't Quote Me Again
Since you didnt understand a simple explanation I just gave then I think computer wise I am free to compare you to the days of msdos.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jul 11, 2016
BlackIsLife:
Sorry to say this: YOUR IQ IS EXTREMELY LOW!

Say, i'm a software engineer & i've a software need before you can surf the net - does that automatically makes you an engineer?


I'm a mechanical engineer i build a car - does that makes the driver and owner of the car an enginee?


i'm a funiture man and i build chairs, tables etc for my customer - does that make my customers a furniture man?


I'm a scientist i make discoveries for the medical school of thought to use and better peoples lives - does that make the doctors and patients a scientist?

Bro, you not making any sense with your respone.
Why are u hellbent on making an ignoramus of yourself.

Medical practitioners are not scientists period! Even if they apply science does not make them scientists. Gosh whats your reasoning level? Creche?
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:30pm On Jul 11, 2016
4everGod:
Human brain contains about 100 billions neurons (10^11) and about hundred trillions synapses (10^14). Each neuron can fire about 100 times a second. If we model brain as a simple neural network, then it would be equivalent to machine that performs 10^16 operations per second.
This is a lower bound, which it is equivalent to capability of best current supercomputers. (Titan, Sequoia and K computer). However, speed is not the most important factor here. Complexity is more important one. Each neuron has complex structure and is connected to hundred or even thousands of other neurons, sometimes in non-trivial way. There is an emerging field of computational neurobiology that tries to model functionality of nervous systems in computer simulations.

They estimate that simulation of the whole human brain would require supercomputer with about 500 petabytes of memory. Current record in one system is 1.5 petabytes (Sequoia supercomputer). So we need a system over 300 times larger. Such machines are not expected in this decade.

Yet you compare this to a computers cpu?
[size=15pt]Olodo U Are The One Relating Size To Consciousness Even A Kid Knows am Talking About Function And Not Size [/size]
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:34pm On Jul 11, 2016
CoolUsername:
I've said time and time again, no modern species evolves to another one. Man didn't evolve from fish. Maybe you, though.

Rather, man and fish share a common ancestor that lived a very long time ago.
Oh so man and fish share a common ancestor that existed long ago? Riiiight!

And they say Christians are insane. Smh

So bro if man and fish share a common ancestor have you met this ancestor? And if man and fish shared this elusive ancestor was this evolutionary change programmed to cease at a certain point?

I ask this because I see no further change in fishes or man today especially since we initially kept evolving till date so where is your proof of this common ancestor? Is it the virus? Or is it something more chaotic?
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by UyiIredia(op): 5:37pm On Jul 11, 2016
dalaman:
Is consiousness a function of the brain or not?
It is an immaterial function of the brain.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jul 11, 2016
Lilbrown007:
[size=15pt]Olodo U Are The One Relating Size To Consciousness Even A Kid Knows am Talking About Function And Not Size [/size]
Your mumu is raised to power infinity. I asked you why a computer does not become conscious when you insert its cpu into it? Since you want to liken consciousness to a computers cpu.

Education ought to have taught you that you can only liken a thing to another exact same thing and not one way different. This way you can drive your point home. In other words both comparisons must MATCH!


OLODO
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by youngestland: 5:42pm On Jul 11, 2016
is there really difference between consciousness and the brain.
I believe that consciousness is nothing more than the ability of our brain to acquire
information (which is the state of being awake) AND all the content that the information contains AND the
ability to get all that information into and out of memory. The key word is "ALL".
My believe is that the brain can do all that, and, therefore, a functioning brain is identical to a conscious
mind.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 5:44pm On Jul 11, 2016
youngestland:
is there really difference between consciousness and the brain.
I believe that consciousness is nothing more than the ability of our brain to acquire
information (which is the state of being awake) AND all the content that the information contains AND the
ability to get all that information into and out of memory. The key word is "ALL".
My believe is that the brain can do all that, and, therefore, a functioning brain is identical to a conscious
mind.
Again Science has proven that the brain is separate from the mind and cannot be linked to it. Do a little research of your own pls.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by CoolUsername: 5:56pm On Jul 11, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Oh ... sorry a fish-like creature . Right ?
Human embryos develop gill slits which are then quickly reabsorbed before birth. In fish, these gill slits develop into gills.

Reading about tetrapods would help you put things into perspective. There are fish today which have lungs for breathing. Fossil record shows that gills predate lungs. Tetrapods made the transition from water to land.

There are several but I know better than to waste my time trying to reason with you.
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by KingEbukaNaija:
CoolUsername:
Human embryos develop gill slits which are then quickly reabsorbed before birth. In fish, these gill slits develop into gills.

Reading about tetrapods would help you put things into perspective. There are fish today which have lungs for breathing. Fossil record shows that gills predate lungs. Tetrapods made the transition from water to land.

There are several but I know better than to waste my time trying to reason with you.
and what is the tetrapods ancestor ?
Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by Nobody: 6:06pm On Jul 11, 2016
CoolUsername:
Human embryos develop gill slits which are then quickly reabsorbed before birth. In fish, these gill slits develop into gills.

Reading about tetrapods would help you put things into perspective. There are fish today which have lungs for breathing. Fossil record shows that gills predate lungs. Tetrapods made the transition from water to land.

There are several but I know better than to waste my time trying to reason with you.
I guess the fish today which have lungs for breathing had human ancestors. Una no go kill me with laugh.

Oh wait! The fish with lungs where is their habitat? Land or water?
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