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SenatePresdo:
Of course, there will be freewill in heaven.

Weah96:
You're free to call it whatever. The word God is not exclusive to levitating Jews and marauding Arabs. So it's not right for you to say that the force could be God. God is whatever you define it to be.

SenatePresdo:
Because they have been freewill in heaven, and that was why some angels came down to sleep with the daughters of men.
If there is no free will in heaven, they couldn't have came to earth.

If there is no free will in heaven, Devil wouldn't have challenged God.

That's it..

SenatePresdo:
Of course, there will be freewill in heaven.

SenatePresdo:
Because they have been freewill in heaven, and that was why some angels came down to sleep with the daughters of men.
If there is no free will in heaven, they couldn't have came to earth.

If there is no free will in heaven, Devil wouldn't have challenged God.

That's it..

SenatePresdo:
Until you exit this dimension, you will know where he really is.

SenatePresdo:
Because they have been freewill in heaven, and that was why some angels came down to sleep with the daughters of men.
If there is no free will in heaven, they couldn't have came to earth.

If there is no free will in heaven, Devil wouldn't have challenged God.

That's it..

01Mysticdon:
lol, you are quoting from the Old Testament while you said Christianity starts in the New Testament

SenatePresdo:
OH! I can say You haven't read the new testament as to know what it means.
Try to read it, before trying to rubbish Christianity.
Most atheist doesn't even quote the new testament, knowing fully well that it is where Christianity originated.

This your atrocity argument should be against a JEW and not a true Christian, if you know what Christianity means.

Christianity started from new testament.
So anything you want to quote from the bible, quote it from new testament.

I'm not defending judaism because I'm not a Jew.

01Mysticdon:
Please someone should tell me where God is.
Don't tell me he is ominipresent, if he were to be the 3 people that were shot when they were coming back from night vigil few weeks back would have been covered by him.

And also this cult killings would have stopped, come to ONELGA in Rivers State especially the Egi Clan of the Ogba kingdom people are killed almost everyday, if God were to be omonipresent won't he save them.
And these churches here are disturbing us with their loud speakers, the mosque here in Egi has been almost deserted.


Is God on a holiday?
Don't he value our lives?

Note: I'm not an Atheist, I am also not a Christian or a Moslem.
I believe God and other spiritual forces exists because of the Jazz these cultists are displaying.

Omo no be here, niggas like me dey take cover.
Egi dey smell blood and our so called Ominipresent God dey watch.
I worship him not.
I support no religion.

I'm still in a dilema whether God exists or not.

Where is God?


otemanuduno why is Domino not helping?
Muafrika2 why is Jehovah not helping?

JesusWillSaveME:
With what you stated here, as a Christian, I have the belief that God is a Loving Father and as a father....... to be continue

Do you think a father will derived joy to kill one of his child who murder his sibling?
When good things are happing, do you remember to ask where is God (eg Olajumoke Orisagun case)
If you can answer the above you will justify your own answer

I will where God is located if you can show me where the pacific Ocean spring out

Ranchhoddas:
What assurances do you have that there will be no rebellion/pride/sin again in heaven? That the whole Lucifer/ Adam and Eve scenario will not occur again?

honourhim:
The Adam and Eve scenario is a different case and has played its role in life. The next phase of life will be different because God will create a new heaven and a new earth. Here is the scripture -
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2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Lilbrown007:
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

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Are This Verse From The New Testament OK For U Or Do U Want More??

SenatePresdo:
Are those verses you quoted an atrocity? If so, how?

And it seem you never understood that verses before quoting it.

As a Christian, if we face against an evil
in-law, uncle or even father, it is not an atrocity.

Ranchhoddas:
So people in the new heaven and new earth will be UNABLE to use their freewill for bad. How then is this freewill?

honourhim:
Freewill as given by God is based on what he has placed on ground. In this life the freewill is between good and evil. In the new heaven and new earth righteousness will reign so the freewill will be righteousness based.

I ve always said it that there is no absolute freedom anywhere.

honourhim:
Freewill as given by God is based on what he has placed on ground. In this life the freewill is between good and evil. In the new heaven and new earth righteousness will reign so the freewill will be righteousness based.

I ve always said it that there is no absolute freedom anywhere.

Ranchhoddas:
So why did He not just give Adam and Eve the 'righteousness-based' freewill instead of subjecting them to 'sin-based freewill' and condemning unsuspecting billions of people to eternal torment in the process.

honourhim:
He gave them the freedom to choose between good and evil in this world for reasons that he best knows.
Before i go further let me make some things clear for the sake of my fellow christians here who may tend to misunderstand me and for the sake of every reader here.
1. I am not here to defend or abuse God.
2.i am not also here to blaspheme against God.

I believe that God couldnt have created with the sole purpose of pleasing his creature rather he created with the sole purpose of pleasing himself first, then favouring us as he deem fit along the line.
This is my personal thought based on what i ve read so far about him in the scripture. I may be wrong though.
Every creation he made have some attributes of him they are satisfying at every given time.

Ranchhoddas:
So you are admiting that the conditions of Heaven will be different from the conditions of the Garden of Eden. Yes?

honourhim:
I have said it before that the scenario in the garden of eden is different because the freedom they had was to choose between good and evil but in the new heaven it will be righteousness based.
According to the scriptures righteousness will reign in heaven, unlike this world where righteousness and sin dwell.
Satan and his cohorts will be cast into the lake of fire to burn forever and ever so he has no place in the new heaven and new earth.

UyiIredia:
I don't think I can give u a satisfactory answer. Wallow on in your confusion.

Ranchhoddas:
Whether you are willing to admit it or not, if what you are saying is correct, the summary of everything is that there will be a factor in Heaven that was absent in the Garden.

Ranchhoddas:
hence man cannot fully be held responsible for the original sin.

Ranchhoddas:
. The people in heaven will not be given a choice (freewill) to sin. Adam was set up to fail.

honourhim:
Yea that's the point i am making that the righteousness and sin option here will not be obtainable in heaven. In heaven it will only be righteousness. In other words sin/evil is one of the factors that will be absent in heaven. Another factor i said will be absent in heaven is Satan.




My take here is that God as a creator had a concept of how he wants the world to operate and what he wants to achieve with it. But like i said before, I don't think that God as a creator created us with the sole purpose of pleasing us rather it is us pleasing him first. I may not be 100% correct here though.



I may not call it a set up. I will rather see it as an outcome of the concept of the creator. He wanted to create a being who will be able to choose between good and evil, realise himself when he has done evil and repent of it or who will harden his heart and bear the consequences of his decisions . He also wanted a being who will have dominion over his other creation, who will explore the universe and his numerours works of creation in various ways to the benefit of humanity and to his(God's) glory.. This may not be complete but that's the little i can put down here. Again i may not be 100 % right. God knows best. [url][/url]

Ranchhoddas:
Total speculation.

honourhim:
That's your opinion which does not hold water anyway