Is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc. Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

MrBottle:
Is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc. Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

god is a term created by people to explain things they do not understand. It’s called god of the gaps.

When Thunder stricks you a little, you will know God.

orunto27:
When Thunder stricks you a little, you will know God.

That means fear of harm is your God. Because you don't want to experience harm so fear becomes your God.

Do you imagine God to be she or he? Why do you use who? It shows a flaw in your question. It presume you already have a clue. Your question should be what is God?

From a traditionalist perspective, ifa monotheistic. I believe in a single creative force known as Olodumare. The Universe in it’s entirety springs from that single source. Unlike the Orisa, Olodumare is not an energy but rather a consciousness. A consciousness big enough to encompass the entire of creation. Everything we know is part of Olodumare, as is everything we are yet to discover.

The books of the abrahamic religion is not the only tools to use when seeking for the truth.and likewise science is not enough tools. But both of them can be use as a parameter to validate the truth.. In other words, The ultimate truth you are seeking for is within you and Not what the books think or science think it should be .but what it is . onlly you can achieve that feet..

Yes. But God once used this method but did not work out well. So, he decided to use another method of revelation. read Roman 1: 19 ~ 21

Study the philosophical arguments given for God's existence.

MightySparrow:
Yes. But God once used this method but did not work out well. So, he decided to use another method of revelation. read Roman 1: 19 ~ 21

Can you explain what God is without the holy books?
In the absence of any book or writ... what is God?

rekinomtla:
Study the philosophical arguments given for God's existence.

Please I will be grateful if you can post the philosophical arguments here. Thanks

vaxx:
Are you imagine God to be she or he? Why do you use who? It shows a flaw in your question. It presume you already have a clue. Your question should be what is God?

From a traditionalist perspective, ifa monotheistic. I believe in a single creative force known as Olodumare. The Universe in it’s entirety springs from that single source. Unlike the Orisa, Olodumare is not an energy but rather a consciousness. A consciousness big enough to encompass the entire of creation. Everything we know is part of Olodumare, as is everything we are yet to discover.

The books of the abrahamic religion is not the only tools to use when seeking for the truth.and likewise science is not enough tools. But both of them can be use as a parameter to validate the truth.. In other words, The ultimate truth you are seeking for is within you and Not what the books think or science think it should be .but what it is . onlly you can achieve that feet..

From traditional Yoruba perspective? I see... And there are other perspectives of what God is from thousands of traditions all over the world.

Aside from all this traditional and religious perspectives can God be explained through what is around us?

MrBottle:
From traditional Yoruba perspective? I see... And there are other perspectives of what God is from thousands of traditions all over the world.

Aside from all this traditional and religious perspectives can God be explained through what is around us?

Yes the nature is a typical example. Let's use the science evidence. (Big bang)that the universe accidentally spring forth from an element smaller than an atom to the size bigger than galaxy and hence birth stars , , planets , moon etc in the supernova. And till now it is believe that the universe is still expanding (dark matter) so if you clearly check this follow up , you will gladly see the universe is in motion.

So let me ask you . if we should follow scientific principle ( big bang theory) that universe was accidentally created, should we also accept that universe set itself in motion accidentally?


For example , we ignorantly believe a big restaurant set up itself, should we still believe it can operate itself without people in it? At least something must put the reasturant in motion.......

vaxx:
Yes the nature is a typical example. Let's use the science evidence. (Big bang)that the universe accidentally spring forth from an element smaller than an atom to the size bigger than galaxy and hence birth stars , , planets , moon etc in the supernova. And till now it is believe that the universe is still expanding (dark matter) so if you clearly check this follow up , you will gladly see the universe is in motion.

So let me ask you . if we should follow scientific principle ( big bang theory) that universe was accidentally created, should we also accept that universe set itself in motion accidentally?


For example , we ignorantly believe a big restaurant set up itself, should we still believe it can operate itself without people in it? At least somethinog must put the reasturant in motion.......

So that something is God.? Are they many or just one.? Men has been able to set a lot of things in motion..create things too. Does it make man God?

MrBottle:
Can you explain what God is without the holy books?
In the absence of any book or writ... what is God?

No I can't. If you have an idea i will be glad to learn from you.

MrBottle:
So that something is God.? Are they many or just one.? Men has been able to set a lot of things in motion..create things too. Does it make man God?

I ask you a question..... I am expecting an answer.. Do not reply me with question.you are commiting a falacy here. I assume you wanted to learn that is why you ask the question or do you have the answer already. So we can begin dealing with it.

The question again. Can restaurant put itself in motion without people in it?

MrBottle:
Is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc. Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

everything talks about God

do you know much about the big bang theory?

vaxx:
I ask you a question..... I am expecting an answer.. Do not reply me with question.you are commiting a falacy here. I assume you wanted to learn that is why you ask the question or do you have the answer already. So we can begin dealing with it.

The question again. Can restaurant put itself in motion without people in it?

Do you mean literally or figuratively cos a restaurant which is a house can't move?
Rephrase your question please.

Ferisidowu:


everything talks about God

Do not be vague in your answers. Expatiate.

Ferisidowu:
do you know much about the big bang theory?

No I don't.

MrBottle:
Do you mean literally or figuratively cos a restaurant which is a house can't move?
Rephrase your question please.

i am asking you can a restaurant operate itself without people in it? please try as much as possible to read my post well before you reply, do not let me see this discussion as a debate. we should be having discussion here not argument.

MrBottle:
No I don't.

you don't know big bang theory,,,, you don't believe the Bible,,,, how then do you want to be taught about God??,,,, or what makes you think there's no such thing as God,?

vaxx:
i am asking you can a restaurant operate itself without people in it? please try as much as possible to read my post well before you reply, do not let me see this discussion as a debate. we should be having discussion here.

You do not sound as if we are having a discussion. You seems irritated by the question. I answered your question with question it becomes a problem. You don't have to comment if you are seeing it as a debate cos I am not going to accept your opinion just because you believe you are in a position of authority to deal it out.

Meanwhile, a restaurant needs people to operate it as it was built by people and should be managed by people.

Ferisidowu:


you don't know big bang theory,,,, you don't believe the Bible,,,, how then do you want to be taught about God??,,,, or what makes you think there's no such thing as God,?

These are my questions.
is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc.
Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

From your own perspective, human must believe in something. Well I don't and that's why I am trying to make sense of it in the absence of other predominant beliefs

MrBottle:
These are my questions.
is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc.
Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

From your own perspective, human must believe in something. Well I don't and that's why I am trying to make sense of it in the absence of other predominant beliefs

there's something you seem not to know,,, basically humans can't help you if you see them as fools,,,, God can only be known by Revelation....

it your choice to believe or not,,,, no one forces you to believe in him....

come to think of it,,, why doesn't he appear
to everyone... yet that's not an excuse ordinary sense shows that for there to be a creation, there must be a creator

it must be cause before effect


the fact that science complements religion to an extent.....

MrBottle:
Is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc. Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

First off, GOD is not a personal name of any particar deity. It's a tilte like President, Mr, Chief or Sir. Can't can't Buhari is Trump because Trump is a President.

The word GOD, is a common noun for a whole class of deities, and all the deities have their oersinal names.

For us to hava a very interesting conversation, can you plse specify which of the deities we shd be talking about?

It makes no sense to muddle up all the deities into one and call them God.

hakeem4:
god is a term created by people to explain things they do not understand. It’s called god of the gaps.

Hmmm. I'm trying to make sense out of what you said.

MrBottle:
You do not sound as if we are having a discussion. You seems irritated by the question. I answered your question with question it becomes a problem. You don't have to comment if you are seeing it as a debate cos I am not going to accept your opinion just because you believe you are in a position of authority to deal it out.

Meanwhile, a restaurant needs people to operate it as it was built by people and should be managed by people.

i understand where you are coming from, i have to put you into check so that you will not follow the same standard people with the same ideology like you follow. my concern is to let you focus on the topic and do not derail it yourself. again do not let me see it as a debate, i never said i am seeing it as a debate. be open minded.

Good, a restaurant needs people to operate it since it was built by people and should also be manage by people. good point

so lets apply the same theory to science theory( big bang). your analogy will invalidate the principle of science . since science indicate the universe has no author and it is managing itself. you can see clearly your own answer has invalidate scientific theory unless you want to argue otherwise.

This is why i said , within yourself rest the truth you are looking for, the nature has given you a logical clue that universe cannot come from nothing and it can not be operated by itself , there must be something behind his wheel. so the something is what the world term as GOD. God is just an appellation, you has an individual may coin your own word to fit your mental position. i prefer calling the something OLODUMARE since that make me comfortable.

God is Existence and without it, no god can exist.
God has always been. It created the beings we see ad gods today. Within God exists millions of gods such as Atum, Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Olorun, Enlil, Enki, Marduk, Chimides, Ephradite, etc.

God is a summation of everything.

Ferisidowu:


there's something you seem not to know,,, basically humans can't help you if you see them as fools,,,, God can only be known by Revelation....

it your choice to believe or not,,,, no one forces you to believe in him....

come to think of it,,, why doesn't he appear
to everyone... yet that's not an excuse ordinary sense shows that for there to be a creation, there must be a creator

it must be cause before effect


the fact that science complements religion to an extent.....

How did you established that God is a he , she, or it.

MrBottle:
How did you established that God is a he , she, or it.

AM sure you aren't a 10 yr old....
even reason shows that a creator will always be different from creation...

vaxx:
i understand where you are coming from, i have to put you into check so that you will not follow the same standard people with the same ideology like you follow. my concern is to let you focus on the topic and do not derail it yourself. again do not let me see it as a debate, i never said i am seeing it as a debate. be open minded.

Good, a restaurant needs people to operate it since it was built by people and should also be manage by people. good point

so lets apply the same theory to science theory( big bang). your analogy will invalidate the principle of science . since science indicate the universe has no author and it is managing itself. you can see clearly your own answer has invalidate scientific theory unless you want to argue otherwise.

This is why i said , within yourself rest the truth you are looking for, the nature has given you a logical clue that universe cannot come from nothing and it can not be operated by itself , there must be a something behind his wheel. so the something is what the world term as GOD. God is just an appellation, you has an individual may coin your own word to fit your mental position. i prefer calling the something OLODUMARE since that make me comfortable.

Fair enough for my quest.
Thanks

Ferisidowu:


AM sure you aren't a 10 yr old....
even reason shows that a creator will always be different from creation...

How is your first paragraph an answer to my question? If believe in the Bible God then he is a He to you but not to others...that's why I asked...how did you know that God is a he , She or it?